The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof ! | |
Northman User ID: 71047489 United States 08/21/2017 11:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is war. Secret war with China. Somehow, they have the tech to scramble or disarm the electronics on a Navy ship. Same thing happened to the Fitzgerald. This is war with China folks, nothing less. Quoting: hollyavila What's certain is if you can't evade an object the size of a football field moving at 10 mi. per hour, how can you evade an object 20" inches in diameter moving at 3000 miles per hour? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71911215 Romania 08/21/2017 11:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is war. Secret war with China. Somehow, they have the tech to scramble or disarm the electronics on a Navy ship. Same thing happened to the Fitzgerald. This is war with China folks, nothing less. Quoting: hollyavila What's certain is if you can't evade an object the size of a football field moving at 10 mi. per hour, how can you evade an object 20" inches in diameter moving at 3000 miles per hour? By unleashing "fire and furry" |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 6064910 United States 08/21/2017 11:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You folks got this all wrong... The captain was trying out a new set of High-Heels for the Transvestite-Ball... He tripped and got his Bra-Strap caught in the steering wheel. Broke a nail and smeared his lip-stick... Do you have any idea how hard it is to untangle your Bra from a steering wheel? The vessel Zigged when it should have Zagged... Could-of happened to anyone? . |
henryk User ID: 68557749 Georgia 08/21/2017 11:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just to bump my own post onto page 2. Quoting: henryk 68309252 Amazing timing by the BBC! What this security expert is saying is that he knows that seizing control of a vessel in order to cause a collision is actually possible. It's no good having the world's strongest navy if you can't berth your ships in a safe place. Take a read of this interesting article from the BBC a few days ago, and scroll down to where it talks about seizing control of a ship. [link to www.bbc.com] "Ecdis systems pretty much never have anti-virus," says Mr Saunders, pointing out the vulnerability. "I don't think I've ever encountered a merchant ship Ecdis unit that had anti-virus on it." Quoting: BBCThese incidents are hugely disruptive to maritime businesses, but truly catastrophic scenarios might involve a hacker attempting to sabotage or even destroy a ship itself, through targeted manipulation of its systems. Could that happen? Could, for example, a determined and well-resourced attacker alter a vessel's systems to provoke a collision? "It's perfectly feasible," says Mr Saunders. "We've demonstrated proof-of-concept that that could happen." Of course it is possible. US Navy ships are running on Microsoft Windows platform. Extensively modified, of course, but still. Doesn't surprise me. Even if the Navy can tighten up their own systems they're still vastly outnumbered by merchant vessels crewed by people from just about every country you can imagine who could care less about whether there might be a virus on that USB stick they plug into the ship's network. Some might even get paid to do it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60239118 United States 08/21/2017 11:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A guy who dodged the draft five times making fun of a Vietnam POW. Try again. And yes, I know she's named for the dad and grandfather, not the Senator. Read the story of how John McShitstain almost blew up an entire aircraft carrier and killed several people you wont think he is such a hero. Just google his court marshal and death sentence Any time an election comes up, candidates who are vets get accused of [insert war crime]. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71911215 Romania 08/21/2017 11:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just to bump my own post onto page 2. Quoting: henryk 68309252 Amazing timing by the BBC! What this security expert is saying is that he knows that seizing control of a vessel in order to cause a collision is actually possible. It's no good having the world's strongest navy if you can't berth your ships in a safe place. ... Quoting: henryk 68309252 Take a read of this interesting article from the BBC a few days ago, and scroll down to where it talks about seizing control of a ship. [link to www.bbc.com] ... Of course it is possible. US Navy ships are running on Microsoft Windows platform. Extensively modified, of course, but still. Doesn't surprise me. Even if the Navy can tighten up their own systems they're still vastly outnumbered by merchant vessels crewed by people from just about every country you can imagine who could care less about whether there might be a virus on that USB stick they plug into the ship's network. Some might even get paid to do it. US warships stand no chance against merchant vessels! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6064910 United States 08/21/2017 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Trump reacts with "fire and furry": Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71911215 The U.S. Navy is commissioning a new vessel, the USS Laughingstock, to replace the ships damaged in totally avoidable accidents this year. Quoting: Berf Snurple This sort of brings to mind Automation, and Driver-less cars and stuff... Makes me think of being in a Driver-less car, when you are crossing a rail-road track. All the sudden the car decides to STOP, shut-off the engine, and lock the doors. You look out the window and their is a Freight-Train bearing down on you? What do now? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72726126 United States 08/21/2017 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Steven Burket · U.S. Navy Quoting: jake I spent 12.5 years in the navy as an Operations Specialist, 7 years spent as a Track Sup, 3 of those years as a Watch Sup as well, what I can't fathom is how the hell this happens. You've got a surface radar guy, you've got a spa-25g guy, you've got the track sup, the watch officer, and tao in combat. Not to mention port/starboard/aft lookouts, then the bridge radar people. The only time we've ever really had some semblance of trouble tracking is during low visibility. There should be no reason this happens 3 times in that short amount of time. While I'm not one to jump to conclusions there is something definitely wrong with the situation of 3 ships have incidents like this. They promote political hacks and their frat brothers and kick out technically competent people. THAT'S how it happens, IDIOT! |
The Patriot Mind User ID: 53355258 United States 08/21/2017 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christ, god help the navy should something real go down, if they can’t navigate the sea without running into shit now... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23216308 How the fuck are they going to get around in wartime? So many pointless deaths. I believe something disabled that ship Fighting and triggering liberals and SJW's in the trenches of their safe spaces since 2014 Signed, The Patriot Mind |
MySoul User ID: 70683644 United Kingdom 08/21/2017 11:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is now common knowledge that cars can be "interfered" with by IT, so it makes sense the same applies to ships, surely? What choice do I have but to be myself? Everyone else was already taken. Develop a nostalgia for the future - Maxwell Maltz MySoul |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71911215 Romania 08/21/2017 11:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Trump reacts with "fire and furry": Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71911215 The U.S. Navy is commissioning a new vessel, the USS Laughingstock, to replace the ships damaged in totally avoidable accidents this year. Quoting: Berf Snurple This sort of brings to mind Automation, and Driver-less cars and stuff... Makes me think of being in a Driver-less car, when you are crossing a rail-road track. All the sudden the car decides to STOP, shut-off the engine, and lock the doors. You look out the window and their is a Freight-Train bearing down on you? What do now? You switch to manual mode |
Pedro User ID: 1775961 Canada 08/21/2017 11:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, if US ships can be disabled completely then everyone and their auntie knows. I guess the thing about publically saying that this in an act of war carries with it too many problems....and of course from then on the public would expect a response..... |
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The Patriot Mind User ID: 53355258 United States 08/21/2017 11:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who wants to bet some woman was on watch but was absorbed into her facebook when it happened. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64945686 Doesn't work that way ... our ships automated defenses systems would be tracking the ship miles and miles before collision Fighting and triggering liberals and SJW's in the trenches of their safe spaces since 2014 Signed, The Patriot Mind |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71911215 Romania 08/21/2017 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is now common knowledge that cars can be "interfered" with by IT, so it makes sense the same applies to ships, surely? Quoting: MySoul We are talking about a MILITARY ship having LOTS OF WEAPONS that it could fire against any other vessel. They have also lots of machine guns that could have used against any vessel. They could have used the radio station to make emergency call for air support. They could at least sound an alarm and evacuate the soldiers in the areas subjected to be knocked, to avoid casualties. None of the above took place. Why? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 60239118 United States 08/21/2017 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is why the Chinese prez ordered his military Xihadists to remain loyal to him, but they're not: the generals have basically staged a coup and are openly ramming US ships. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60239118 How could they ram a ship that can maneuver at high speed and fire at them? When it can't maneuver at high speed and fire at them. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 35676288 United States 08/21/2017 11:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chinese electronics. See, that's why we have a constitution. Prevent sabotage in any/every form. Ban NAFTA made gear. Drones was a start. Nothing Chinese can be trusted. Not because of the workers, but because of the company owners. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71911215 Romania 08/21/2017 11:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is why the Chinese prez ordered his military Xihadists to remain loyal to him, but they're not: the generals have basically staged a coup and are openly ramming US ships. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60239118 How could they ram a ship that can maneuver at high speed and fire at them? When it can't maneuver at high speed and fire at them. That's impossible! Propulsion: 4 General Electric LM2500-30 gas turbines, two shafts, 100,000 total shaft horsepower (75 MW) Speed: >30 knots (56 km/h) Armament: * 1 × 29 cell, 1 × 61 cell Mk 41 vertical launching systems with 90 × RIM-156 SM-2, BGM-109 Tomahawk or RUM-139 VL-ASROC missiles * 2 x Mk 141 Harpoon Missile Launcher SSM * 1 × Mark 45 5/54 in (127/54 mm) * 2 × 25 mm chain gun * 4 × .50 caliber (12.7 mm) guns * 2 × 20 mm Phalanx CIWS * 2 × Mk 32 triple torpedo tubes Aircraft carried: 2 Sikorsky MH-60R helicopters can be embarked |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 55743029 United States 08/21/2017 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | payback? [link to www.telegraph.co.uk] Russian intel vessel sunk after collision with livestock vessel |
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dodger007 User ID: 74702368 United States 08/21/2017 12:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Take a read of this interesting article from the BBC a few days ago, and scroll down to where it talks about seizing control of a ship. [link to www.bbc.com] "Ecdis systems pretty much never have anti-virus," says Mr Saunders, pointing out the vulnerability. "I don't think I've ever encountered a merchant ship Ecdis unit that had anti-virus on it." Quoting: BBCThese incidents are hugely disruptive to maritime businesses, but truly catastrophic scenarios might involve a hacker attempting to sabotage or even destroy a ship itself, through targeted manipulation of its systems. Could that happen? Could, for example, a determined and well-resourced attacker alter a vessel's systems to provoke a collision? "It's perfectly feasible," says Mr Saunders. "We've demonstrated proof-of-concept that that could happen." Bookmark You can count on America to do the right thing after exhausting every other alternative." Winston Churchill |