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Pastor John Gray defends $200K Lamborghini

 
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Most of the people complaning about the Pastor, are forgetting a few verses. Learn to mind your own business and produce good fruit. Do not dwell on the sins of others, for dwelling does not bring the kingdom of heaven. PRAY for your Pastor!

Proverbs 26:17
Whoever meddles in a quarrel not his own is like one who takes a passing dog by the ears

Luke 6:42
How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take out the speck that is in your eye,’ when you yourself do not see the log that is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother's eye.

Galatians 6:5
For each will have to bear his own load.

Luke 6:37
“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven
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Organized religion is bad; the power structure in it is worse.
No one should profit off teaching the holy word of God, no one.
!Prefiero morir de pie que vivir de rodillas! - Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919

Nothing goes as planned and nothing seems as it is. Most everyone's mad here; you may have noticed I'm not all there myself...and now I'm afraid we must get on to the more regrettable stage of our brief acquaintance.
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Proverbs 26:17
Whoever meddles in a quarrel not his own is like one who takes a passing dog by the ears


 Quoting: Wildpandapig


Is he arguing with his lamborghini?
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All who preach for financial gain do not carry Christ in their heart, simple. Those who have a regular job and preach on the side for no money but just to spread the good unselfish teachings of Christ, God Bless them.
!Prefiero morir de pie que vivir de rodillas! - Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919

Nothing goes as planned and nothing seems as it is. Most everyone's mad here; you may have noticed I'm not all there myself...and now I'm afraid we must get on to the more regrettable stage of our brief acquaintance.
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WWJD = What Would Jesus Drive
 Quoting: What is Aleppo


Probably an older pick up truck, would be my guess.

The modern equivalency of a donkey.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


And a Corvette ZR1 on the weekends.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44540004


What?

Did Christ ride a thoroughbred war horse on weekends ~2,000 ears ago?
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I voted no.

Why?

Because it was purchased using the donations of people to the church. People give those donations to be spent for the benefit of those who need help.

I do not expect pastors to live in poverty, but a lambo is over the top. He helps run a megachurch -- that is a lot of work and responsibility. What would have been so wrong with a nice luxury SUV, or if he had to have a sports car, may a corvette or something a little less in your face to parishoners than a lambo??

Seriously, I can afford a lambo, if I wanted one, but what a stupid, new/borrowed money attitude waste. It's why so many new money types, end up no money eventually -- stupid choices. You will rarely see old money in a lambo, unless they just rented the damn thing for fun.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


But the bible tells us it is wrong. So how can a pastor do it yet preach the Bible at the same time? The poor have more chance of eternal life than those that take pleasure in money and earthly things, as all Christians already know, but few put into practice. Some people don't make money because they are not the kind of people to sacrifice their lives in the way making money requires with meaningless careers. That does not always mean they are lazy, maybe they are closer to God. I live in a little house in the woods these days and grow my own food. I am poor. But far from perfect. And work much harder than most in careers. If you have money, give it to those that do not,( I don't require anyone's money, I get my daily bread so am ok.). Otherwise, are you really a Christian? The Bible says maybe not so much.
Don't take pride in having money. Don't brag about it. No true Christian ever would. I drive a 50cc vespa. That's a donkey in this world and I get insulted for it by many. I do many things a Christian should not, but when it comes to money and earthly things....that's the easy bit for me....not for others. As Christians we should all point out each others failings without offence being taken ( bear in mind the verses in the book of Revelation about people taking offence at everything in the last days). You have pointed out many of mine in the past as you seem to do with many GLP'ers. Now its my turn. xxx Keep searching the truth. We are all in this together. We all fail in some respects. Love as always. xx
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There's power in the 501c3, the scripture of the Moneychangers.
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WWJD = What Would Jesus Drive
 Quoting: What is Aleppo


Probably an older pick up truck, would be my guess.

The modern equivalency of a donkey.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


And a Corvette ZR1 on the weekends.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44540004


What?

Did Christ ride a thoroughbred war horse on weekends ~2,000 ears ago?
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


Lol,

I think he would drive an old bus or something big enough to take people on board outa the cold etc but yeah, nothing flashy, just something humble and fit for purpose hf

I have met a few Pastors here, one American guy with his family running a Church. They have a nice home and car although i don't begrudge anyone some luxury when you have moved to a 3rd world country with your kids.
Another is a Nepali guy and owner of my daughters Montessori. Both seem reasonably well off tbh.
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Organized religion is bad; the power structure in it is worse.
No one should profit off teaching the holy word of God, no one.
 Quoting: St.Bronson


thatz
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I have a problem with ‘pastors.’ I’ve seen pastors, belonging to a motorcycle organization turn up each year with a new bagger. I lived beside a pastor recently, who was a piece of shit, and do believe that the stress from that caused my cancer to recur. This jerk was over in India, living the life of royalty with servants changing their bedding, made meals, etc. all nearly free of any living costs. Decides to return to Canada with his wife after adopting a couple of ‘diverse’ kids…and moving in with his widowed mother – next door. She already had a single son living there so the front of our house looks like a parking lot. Sometimes parking illegally on the wrong side of the street, which really triggered me. They were always there for meals but they never helped clean up. The widow also had a married daughter with two babies and the son-in-law was always bbqing for everyone. This went on for a year until the widow got fed up with all the cooking and no help with yard work – so she put her house up for sale. I happened to find an ad for sale that belonged to the pastor, and discovered he had bought the house and was advertising a garage sale, accordingly. Me and Hubby were really disgusted as we had just bought out ‘retirement home’ with the knowledge that both side neighbours were retired/quiet as well.

Both the pastor and his wife had vehicles, one with Flow-master exhaust and they would idle in their driveway which was close to our bedroom window – for lengthy periods, even in summer. Thankfully, the jerk was quite apt at buying used vehicles at auction, driving them for a bit and then flipping for a better model. Meanwhile we did a property search and he didn’t buy anything, his in-laws did! They were interesting, especially the mother who was associated with a orphanage charity over in India, thus able to drive a beautiful Toyota Infinity SUV and her husband a Tesla.

The pastor tried to be friends with us but we can’t fake our feelings and our zero tolerance for bullshit. Guess he didn’t like being snubbed and his emotional maturity of a 15 year old broke out. Immediately started throwing his kitchen garbage out beside his back patio which faced our bedroom window. One morning there was a flock of two dozen crows…having breakfast with garbage. Yes, Alfred Hitchcock bad! It was reported to the city and I was informed that a $300 fine was issued. That’s when the harassment started!

Meanwhile his hair and beard were always professionally groomed, wife had the acrylic nails, jewelry, etc. The property slowly deteriorated…while he’s making 2 -3 trips BACK to India, staying free with his flock AND motorcycle trips too! I totally changed my opinion of all organized religion! We received a Christmas card from the in-laws by mistake – they have a ‘vila’ in Florida, along with a beautiful big home in town! Religion pays! Charity pays! Orphanages…pays?!
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Organized religion is bad; the power structure in it is worse.
No one should profit off teaching the holy word of God, no one.
 Quoting: St.Bronson


thatz
 Quoting: Farlander


Maybe not profit with money, but at least with trustworthy friendships.
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Super mega churches ought to pay taxes. Also, it is very tacky for clergy to own such luxuries, homes included.
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Super mega churches ought to pay taxes. Also, it is very tacky for clergy to own such luxuries, homes included.
 Quoting: My Fear


You hear that, My Fear? It's the many, many hisses and snarls of Lucifer's and Satan's people's reaction to you wanting them to pay their fair share of taxes.

lol
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Lamborghini? That's small time. There is a pastor near me who owns his own airport. With a Private Jet and a few other planes. The Airport his ministry is built on was a old Air Force Base. You could land Air Force One there LOL!

Kenneth Copeland.

Of course I voted no. If he wanted a brand new car for his wife a 80k chevy tahoe is just as good as a Italian SUV.
 Quoting: Schloss Meerblick


hidingAirport wow
 Quoting: Goofy for God


I saw a documentary on this guy (Kenneth Copeland) and his buds.
Assholes milking the flock.
Damn.

:milkit:

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Did Christ ride a thoroughbred war horse on weekends ~2,000 ears ago?
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I am sure he had some cousins who could lend him one.
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"If you want to be perfect," Jesus said to him, "go, sell your belongings and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
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This is yet another bible verse taken out of context. Have any of us done that? NO!!!
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Lamborghini? That's small time. There is a pastor near me who owns his own airport. With a Private Jet and a few other planes. The Airport his ministry is built on was a old Air Force Base. You could land Air Force One there LOL!

Kenneth Copeland.

Of course I voted no. If he wanted a brand new car for his wife a 80k chevy tahoe is just as good as a Italian SUV.
 Quoting: Schloss Meerblick


hidingAirport wow
 Quoting: Goofy for God


I saw a documentary on this guy (Kenneth Copeland) and his buds.
Assholes milking the flock.
Damn.

:milkit:
 Quoting: Trained Noticer


Run that on a Google Search or any other search engine. Look at all the YouTube videos that are dedicated about how all these pastors are lying to you.

"youtube: truth about pastors"
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my brother talks non stop about god and jesus, and first time a big amount of money became involved, he just turned into the most unbelievable scoundrel you could imagine.
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my brother talks non stop about god and jesus, and first time a big amount of money became involved, he just turned into the most unbelievable scoundrel you could imagine.
 Quoting: Dumb

actually there were two times, he just lost his mind with insane wacko greed, like totally checked out of reality in his graspiness.

thought he should be executor of my grandma's will, which was absolutely ludicrous. his sense of fairness is absolutely non existent, if you have a pie and 4 people, he will try to eat as much as possible and steal the whole thing right in front of your eyes after saying grace. it's not a joke either, he has actually done things like this
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my brother talks non stop about god and jesus, and first time a big amount of money became involved, he just turned into the most unbelievable scoundrel you could imagine.
 Quoting: Dumb

actually there were two times, he just lost his mind with insane wacko greed, like totally checked out of reality in his graspiness.

thought he should be executor of my grandma's will, which was absolutely ludicrous. his sense of fairness is absolutely non existent, if you have a pie and 4 people, he will try to eat as much as possible and steal the whole thing right in front of your eyes after saying grace. it's not a joke either, he has actually done things like this
 Quoting: Dumb


one time my dad gave him a $20 to get us a pizza and he just left with it, came back like 2 hours later had eaten almost all of it and acts like God Lord Jesus hath returned, if we question him he's like 'The Lord had need of it'
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Super mega churches ought to pay taxes. Also, it is very tacky for clergy to own such luxuries, homes included.
 Quoting: My Fear


You hear that, My Fear? It's the many, many hisses and snarls of Lucifer's and Satan's people's reaction to you wanting them to pay their fair share of taxes.

lol
 Quoting: darkwolf007


the difference is taxes are something they TAKE with guns.

people DONATE money to churches

sounds like you must be someone lined up for your 'fair share' of the taxes
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Super mega churches ought to pay taxes. Also, it is very tacky for clergy to own such luxuries, homes included.
 Quoting: My Fear


You hear that, My Fear? It's the many, many hisses and snarls of Lucifer's and Satan's people's reaction to you wanting them to pay their fair share of taxes.

lol
 Quoting: darkwolf007


the difference is taxes are something they TAKE with guns.

people DONATE money to churches

sounds like you must be someone lined up for your 'fair share' of the taxes
 Quoting: Dumb


I may sound like that, Dumb, but that's as far as that goes.
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This is yet another bible verse taken out of context. Have any of us done that? NO!!!
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Why is a belonging called a belonging?

Belong:
"to go along with, properly relate to,"

That's why in the first episode of That Girl the roll top desk went with the young man, not Ann Marie's father. The young man needs it for his active trade, not decoration or collection.
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the difference is taxes are something they TAKE with guns.

people DONATE money to churches

sounds like you must be someone lined up for your 'fair share' of the taxes
 Quoting: Dumb


Under threat of going to Hell (not the nice place in Poland) for All Eternity! And being Bad People.

And not being able to take part in whatever work visa fraud or lucrative drug trade the church is up to if they don't buy in.
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Has a TV show tied to Oprah Witch-me. Wonder what influence she has on his church?

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He has immature tastes. Id be paranoid driving that thing around for it to get scratched and people posing on it, asking for rides and taking pictures

Id put it all into a beautiful home, like a cliffside glass house. But not even with Pastor money, thats just tacky when youre supposed to set an example
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He has immature tastes. Id be paranoid driving that thing around for it to get scratched and people posing on it, asking for rides and taking pictures

Id put it all into a beautiful home, like a cliffside glass house. But not even with Pastor money, thats just tacky when youre supposed to set an example
 Quoting: REAL PLAYER HUMAN


Ohhhh... all the pastors and other Christian evangelists do set an example... Sell your soul to Lucifer or Satan and you'll become unfathomably rich, and life will be permanently stuck on Casual Difficulty.
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Salesmen go broke trying to appear successful.
In reality, we're all debt slaves.

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Pastor John Gray defiantly defends buying wife $200K Lamborghini with Ephesians 5

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He's clearly a Kenneth Copeland / new age / "prosperity gospel" type.

What's worse...he loves the "things of the world".

verysad gaah

Jesus told us to store up "treasures in Heaven".

Not material things here on earth.
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Christians are not going to have any problems enacting forced organ donation from heathens.





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