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Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?

 
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
You can replace "god" in your question with any other myth:
If you don't believe in Santa Claus, why don't you?
If you don't believe in the easter bunny, why don't you?

God is in the same level as any other myth
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


I just knew someone was going to bring up Santa Claus aka Nicholas of Bari who was a very real person unlike the easter bunny that was a creation of candy companies...

Yes I do believe in Santa Claus but not like you do...
 Quoting: Masiro®


I rest my case then. How to argue in logical, sense with someone whom believes Santa Claus?!?!
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


I don't believe in the Coca Cola Santa Claus....

I believe in Saint Nicholas of Bari, a very real person...
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
Which begs the question of the laws of physics, either through the big bang OR God.

Where did the energy come from? You simply cannot bring into existence which does not exist. It's a zero sum problem, that does not equate once you interject something from nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77315642


In the big bang theory everything comes from nothing...

The bible says that God Created everything out of nothing...

so the big bang theory proves that God created everything from nothing.
 Quoting: Masiro®


Incorrect, the Universe expanded out of a singularity, which is not nothing
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No, the singularity manifold, flat, balled, with infinite density still consists of matter, ie energy. Where did it come from? The theories that are postulated ignore this for the equation to balance. You simply cannot.

Ask any Quant theorist and they will admit it. I work in a lab with these guys all day, for the mathematics to work you have to have "faith", no different than God in my opinion.
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
Which begs the question of the laws of physics, either through the big bang OR God.

Where did the energy come from? You simply cannot bring into existence which does not exist. It's a zero sum problem, that does not equate once you interject something from nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77315642


The Big Bang did not come from nothing, it came from a singularly, which is definitely not nothing.
 Quoting: mport81


Actually you mean a singularity...

The initial singularity was a gravitational singularity of seemingly infinite density thought to have contained all the mass and space-time of the Universe before quantum fluctuations caused it to rapidly expand in the Big Bang and subsequent inflation, creating the present-day Universe. The instant immediately following the initial singularity is part of the Planck epoch, the earliest period of time in the history of the universe.

Simple question: what created the initial singularity in the beginning of time itself?
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Yeah, my auto-fill didn’t want to use Singularity.

There are many possible causes of the Singularity:
it’s the white hole output of some black hole.
It’s the result of a previous universes gravitational collapse.
It’s the result of the collision of two other universes.
Who knows. But just because we don’t know yet, doesn’t mean God.

That is called “The God of the gaps” . Using God as the only explanation for things we din;t yet understand
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
Which begs the question of the laws of physics, either through the big bang OR God.

Where did the energy come from? You simply cannot bring into existence which does not exist. It's a zero sum problem, that does not equate once you interject something from nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77315642


In the big bang theory everything comes from nothing...

The bible says that God Created everything out of nothing...

so the big bang theory proves that God created everything from nothing.
 Quoting: Masiro®


Wrong. That is not what big bang theory is. As all other fanatics you are very misinformed by your masters.
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Lol, I guess my PhD in mathematics and quant means nothing... lol

Sure thing... lol
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If God does not exist, why do people attack Him so fervently?
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
Agios Nikolaos is the other name of "Santa Claus"

Believe or not I have done a lot of research into his story for some children's books I wrote years ago.
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
Which begs the question of the laws of physics, either through the big bang OR God.

Where did the energy come from? You simply cannot bring into existence which does not exist. It's a zero sum problem, that does not equate once you interject something from nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77315642


The Big Bang did not come from nothing, it came from a singularly, which is definitely not nothing.
 Quoting: mport81


Actually you mean a singularity...

The initial singularity was a gravitational singularity of seemingly infinite density thought to have contained all the mass and space-time of the Universe before quantum fluctuations caused it to rapidly expand in the Big Bang and subsequent inflation, creating the present-day Universe. The instant immediately following the initial singularity is part of the Planck epoch, the earliest period of time in the history of the universe.

Simple question: what created the initial singularity in the beginning of time itself?
 Quoting: Masiro®


Yeah, my auto-fill didn’t want to use Singularity.

There are many possible causes of the Singularity:
it’s the white hole output of some black hole.
It’s the result of a previous universes gravitational collapse.
It’s the result of the collision of two other universes.
Who knows. But just because we don’t know yet, doesn’t mean God.

That is called “The God of the gaps” . Using God as the only explanation for things we din;t yet understand
 Quoting: mport81




Once again you are assuming the quantity of X for the equation to work. When boiled down you cannot have matter or energy from a state of nothing.
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If God does not exist, why do people attack Him so fervently?
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


Which god has never been attacked fervently?
Some Will. Some won't. So.......
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
Agios Nikolaos is the other name of "Santa Claus"

Believe or not I have done a lot of research into his story for some children's books I wrote years ago.
 Quoting: Masiro®


No you're right on target.

Nice thread, sorry you're getting so much flak.

The haters always attack anything that is of God.

That's all they know to do.
A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once.

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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
Which begs the question of the laws of physics, either through the big bang OR God.

Where did the energy come from? You simply cannot bring into existence which does not exist. It's a zero sum problem, that does not equate once you interject something from nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77315642


The Big Bang did not come from nothing, it came from a singularly, which is definitely not nothing.
 Quoting: mport81


Actually you mean a singularity...

The initial singularity was a gravitational singularity of seemingly infinite density thought to have contained all the mass and space-time of the Universe before quantum fluctuations caused it to rapidly expand in the Big Bang and subsequent inflation, creating the present-day Universe. The instant immediately following the initial singularity is part of the Planck epoch, the earliest period of time in the history of the universe.

Simple question: what created the initial singularity in the beginning of time itself?
 Quoting: Masiro®


Yeah, my auto-fill didn’t want to use Singularity.

There are many possible causes of the Singularity:
it’s the white hole output of some black hole.
It’s the result of a previous universes gravitational collapse.
It’s the result of the collision of two other universes.
Who knows. But just because we don’t know yet, doesn’t mean God.

That is called “The God of the gaps” . Using God as the only explanation for things we din;t yet understand
 Quoting: mport81


That's an interesting theory our universe was created by the collapse of yet another universe through a white hole...

and yet you can no more prove it than you can disprove God exists...
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
Agios Nikolaos is the other name of "Santa Claus"

Believe or not I have done a lot of research into his story for some children's books I wrote years ago.
 Quoting: Masiro®


No you're right on target.

Nice thread, sorry you're getting so much flak.

The haters always attack anything that is of God.

That's all they know to do.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


What if your God is simply an advanced race, who they themselves believed in God, who was nothing more than an advanced race...?
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The Big Bang did not come from nothing, it came from a singularly, which is definitely not nothing.
 Quoting: mport81


Actually you mean a singularity...

The initial singularity was a gravitational singularity of seemingly infinite density thought to have contained all the mass and space-time of the Universe before quantum fluctuations caused it to rapidly expand in the Big Bang and subsequent inflation, creating the present-day Universe. The instant immediately following the initial singularity is part of the Planck epoch, the earliest period of time in the history of the universe.

Simple question: what created the initial singularity in the beginning of time itself?
 Quoting: Masiro®


Yeah, my auto-fill didn’t want to use Singularity.

There are many possible causes of the Singularity:
it’s the white hole output of some black hole.
It’s the result of a previous universes gravitational collapse.
It’s the result of the collision of two other universes.
Who knows. But just because we don’t know yet, doesn’t mean God.

That is called “The God of the gaps” . Using God as the only explanation for things we din;t yet understand
 Quoting: mport81




Once again you are assuming the quantity of X for the equation to work. When boiled down you cannot have matter or energy from a state of nothing.
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All of those are physical explanations for the singularity, it is not “from nothing”
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If God does not exist, why do people attack Him so fervently?
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


If God exists, why does he need anyone to defend him?
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
Feel the hate?

I don't believe or disbelieve in God but I don't hate you for believing.

For me I have listened to The Bible up to Psalms. I find it interesting. I need to listen to the rest of it.

I have a hard time believing though because of all the bad stuff I see.

Take my Grandma for example. She believed in God and now she has alzheimer's. She can't even wipe herself properly.

Or take my mother...she has always been abusive. I have asked God to change her but she is still the same.

I also find it odd how people thank God...God didn't destroy my house in that tornado. However little Ms Betty house down the street is fucked...I guess she didn't pray hard enough.
Ain't no sunshine when she's gone...ain't no borderline psychotic emotional outbursts either.

Some days you just have to create your own sunshine.

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If God does not exist, why do people attack Him so fervently?
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


Which god has never been attacked fervently?
 Quoting: SyncAsFunk


Lol, the God of the bible.

The one true God and creator.

The one that formed you in your mothers womb and breathed life into you and everyone else that hates Him.

Just hold your breath. Its about the same thing as hating God.

Just blind defiance and foolishness.
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If God does not exist, why do people attack Him so fervently?
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If God exists, why does he need anyone to defend him?
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He doesnt, make no mistake.

We who know defend Him out of love.

He would probably tell us not to but we do it anyway.
A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once.

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The Big Bang did not come from nothing, it came from a singularly, which is definitely not nothing.
 Quoting: mport81


Actually you mean a singularity...

The initial singularity was a gravitational singularity of seemingly infinite density thought to have contained all the mass and space-time of the Universe before quantum fluctuations caused it to rapidly expand in the Big Bang and subsequent inflation, creating the present-day Universe. The instant immediately following the initial singularity is part of the Planck epoch, the earliest period of time in the history of the universe.

Simple question: what created the initial singularity in the beginning of time itself?
 Quoting: Masiro®


Yeah, my auto-fill didn’t want to use Singularity.

There are many possible causes of the Singularity:
it’s the white hole output of some black hole.
It’s the result of a previous universes gravitational collapse.
It’s the result of the collision of two other universes.
Who knows. But just because we don’t know yet, doesn’t mean God.

That is called “The God of the gaps” . Using God as the only explanation for things we din;t yet understand
 Quoting: mport81


That's an interesting theory our universe was created by the collapse of yet another universe through a white hole...

and yet you can no more prove it than you can disprove God exists...
 Quoting: Masiro®



This thinking is mid term, nothing wrong with that, but theory and the existence of all things including God, CANNOT solve for a state of nothingness...

Which really begs the question, how are we here, including all other things... lol
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The Big Bang did not come from nothing, it came from a singularly, which is definitely not nothing.
 Quoting: mport81


Actually you mean a singularity...

The initial singularity was a gravitational singularity of seemingly infinite density thought to have contained all the mass and space-time of the Universe before quantum fluctuations caused it to rapidly expand in the Big Bang and subsequent inflation, creating the present-day Universe. The instant immediately following the initial singularity is part of the Planck epoch, the earliest period of time in the history of the universe.

Simple question: what created the initial singularity in the beginning of time itself?
 Quoting: Masiro®


Yeah, my auto-fill didn’t want to use Singularity.

There are many possible causes of the Singularity:
it’s the white hole output of some black hole.
It’s the result of a previous universes gravitational collapse.
It’s the result of the collision of two other universes.
Who knows. But just because we don’t know yet, doesn’t mean God.

That is called “The God of the gaps” . Using God as the only explanation for things we din;t yet understand
 Quoting: mport81


That's an interesting theory our universe was created by the collapse of yet another universe through a white hole...

and yet you can no more prove it than you can disprove God exists...
 Quoting: Masiro®


I never claimed I could disprove God. There just, in my opinion, isn’t any proof he exists
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
Which begs the question of the laws of physics, either through the big bang OR God.

Where did the energy come from? You simply cannot bring into existence which does not exist. It's a zero sum problem, that does not equate once you interject something from nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77315642


The Big Bang did not come from nothing, it came from a singularly, which is definitely not nothing.
 Quoting: mport81


Actually you mean a singularity...

The initial singularity was a gravitational singularity of seemingly infinite density thought to have contained all the mass and space-time of the Universe before quantum fluctuations caused it to rapidly expand in the Big Bang and subsequent inflation, creating the present-day Universe. The instant immediately following the initial singularity is part of the Planck epoch, the earliest period of time in the history of the universe.

Simple question: what created the initial singularity in the beginning of time itself?
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Not exactly 'nothing' then.
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
I believe in God, just not in the traditional sense.

In my belief, the gods of the Abrahamic religions are essentially mid-level entities.

Much more happening above them.
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
Feel the hate?

I don't believe or disbelieve in God but I don't hate you for believing.

For me I have listened to The Bible up to Psalms. I find it interesting. I need to listen to the rest of it.

I have a hard time believing though because of all the bad stuff I see.

Take my Grandma for example. She believed in God and now she has alzheimer's. She can't even wipe herself properly.

Or take my mother...she has always been abusive. I have asked God to change her but she is still the same.

I also find it odd how people thank God...God didn't destroy my house in that tornado. However little Ms Betty house down the street is fucked...I guess she didn't pray hard enough.
 Quoting: MostlySunshine


I rarely pray for protection, I always pray for guidance.

Listening to the New Testament is incredible, it is a shame that you stopped at Psalms. The Red letter words sing in a spiritual harmony and vibration that touches the soul.
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Actually you mean a singularity...

The initial singularity was a gravitational singularity of seemingly infinite density thought to have contained all the mass and space-time of the Universe before quantum fluctuations caused it to rapidly expand in the Big Bang and subsequent inflation, creating the present-day Universe. The instant immediately following the initial singularity is part of the Planck epoch, the earliest period of time in the history of the universe.

Simple question: what created the initial singularity in the beginning of time itself?
 Quoting: Masiro®


Yeah, my auto-fill didn’t want to use Singularity.

There are many possible causes of the Singularity:
it’s the white hole output of some black hole.
It’s the result of a previous universes gravitational collapse.
It’s the result of the collision of two other universes.
Who knows. But just because we don’t know yet, doesn’t mean God.

That is called “The God of the gaps” . Using God as the only explanation for things we din;t yet understand
 Quoting: mport81




Once again you are assuming the quantity of X for the equation to work. When boiled down you cannot have matter or energy from a state of nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77315642


All of those are physical explanations for the singularity, it is not “from nothing”
 Quoting: mport81




Wrong, wrong, wrong. The singularity theory assumes infinite density containg ALL mass and energy (variable X). The theory FAILS mathematically unless you account for presupposed X.
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
Agios Nikolaos is the other name of "Santa Claus"

Believe or not I have done a lot of research into his story for some children's books I wrote years ago.
 Quoting: Masiro®


No you're right on target.

Nice thread, sorry you're getting so much flak.

The haters always attack anything that is of God.

That's all they know to do.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


What if your God is simply an advanced race, who they themselves believed in God, who was nothing more than an advanced race...?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77315642


You can ask "what if" questions all day but I believe in real life.

I'm an engineer, I build things and looking at the complexity in our world and our universe, how it all meshes together in perfect harmony I KNOW there is a creator.

Period.

This world works too well for there not to be a designer.
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Actually you mean a singularity...

The initial singularity was a gravitational singularity of seemingly infinite density thought to have contained all the mass and space-time of the Universe before quantum fluctuations caused it to rapidly expand in the Big Bang and subsequent inflation, creating the present-day Universe. The instant immediately following the initial singularity is part of the Planck epoch, the earliest period of time in the history of the universe.

Simple question: what created the initial singularity in the beginning of time itself?
 Quoting: Masiro®


Yeah, my auto-fill didn’t want to use Singularity.

There are many possible causes of the Singularity:
it’s the white hole output of some black hole.
It’s the result of a previous universes gravitational collapse.
It’s the result of the collision of two other universes.
Who knows. But just because we don’t know yet, doesn’t mean God.

That is called “The God of the gaps” . Using God as the only explanation for things we din;t yet understand
 Quoting: mport81


That's an interesting theory our universe was created by the collapse of yet another universe through a white hole...

and yet you can no more prove it than you can disprove God exists...
 Quoting: Masiro®



This thinking is mid term, nothing wrong with that, but theory and the existence of all things including God, CANNOT solve for a state of nothingness...

Which really begs the question, how are we here, including all other things... lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77315642


I get what your saying, what created the original universe? or the Meta-Verse that all these other universes are bouncing around in?

Who knows at this point, but I just don’t see there is proof it requires the existence of an intelligent creator
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
Which begs the question of the laws of physics, either through the big bang OR God.

Where did the energy come from? You simply cannot bring into existence which does not exist. It's a zero sum problem, that does not equate once you interject something from nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77315642


The Big Bang did not come from nothing, it came from a singularly, which is definitely not nothing.
 Quoting: mport81


Actually you mean a singularity...

The initial singularity was a gravitational singularity of seemingly infinite density thought to have contained all the mass and space-time of the Universe before quantum fluctuations caused it to rapidly expand in the Big Bang and subsequent inflation, creating the present-day Universe. The instant immediately following the initial singularity is part of the Planck epoch, the earliest period of time in the history of the universe.

Simple question: what created the initial singularity in the beginning of time itself?
 Quoting: Masiro®


Not exactly 'nothing' then.
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Actually that is the Wikipedia definition that I borrowed for this discussion to help you out.
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If God does not exist, why do people attack Him so fervently?
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


Which god has never been attacked fervently?
 Quoting: SyncAsFunk


Lol, the God of the bible.

The one true God and creator.

The one that formed you in your mothers womb and breathed life into you and everyone else that hates Him.

Just hold your breath. Its about the same thing as hating God.

Just blind defiance and foolishness.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~



I think you misread my question.

I'll rephrase it.

Is your god the only god who has ever been fervently attacked?
Some Will. Some won't. So.......
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I believe in God, just not in the traditional sense.

In my belief, the gods of the Abrahamic religions are essentially mid-level entities.

Much more happening above them.
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So the gods have gods.

;)
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Feel the hate?

I don't believe or disbelieve in God but I don't hate you for believing.

For me I have listened to The Bible up to Psalms. I find it interesting. I need to listen to the rest of it.

I have a hard time believing though because of all the bad stuff I see.

Take my Grandma for example. She believed in God and now she has alzheimer's. She can't even wipe herself properly.

Or take my mother...she has always been abusive. I have asked God to change her but she is still the same.

I also find it odd how people thank God...God didn't destroy my house in that tornado. However little Ms Betty house down the street is fucked...I guess she didn't pray hard enough.
 Quoting: MostlySunshine


Snails and stars do not expect fairness and neither should we.

However, God does intervene from time to time.
A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once.

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Agios Nikolaos is the other name of "Santa Claus"

Believe or not I have done a lot of research into his story for some children's books I wrote years ago.
 Quoting: Masiro®


No you're right on target.

Nice thread, sorry you're getting so much flak.

The haters always attack anything that is of God.

That's all they know to do.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


What if your God is simply an advanced race, who they themselves believed in God, who was nothing more than an advanced race...?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77315642


You can ask "what if" questions all day but I believe in real life.

I'm an engineer, I build things and looking at the complexity in our world and our universe, how it all meshes together in perfect harmony I KNOW there is a creator.

Period.

This world works too well for there not to be a designer.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


When I was a child I studied "fractals" it was the greatest proof for me that God existed and designed everything.

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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
Agios Nikolaos is the other name of "Santa Claus"

Believe or not I have done a lot of research into his story for some children's books I wrote years ago.
 Quoting: Masiro®


No you're right on target.

Nice thread, sorry you're getting so much flak.

The haters always attack anything that is of God.

That's all they know to do.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


What if your God is simply an advanced race, who they themselves believed in God, who was nothing more than an advanced race...?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77315642


You can ask "what if" questions all day but I believe in real life.

I'm an engineer, I build things and looking at the complexity in our world and our universe, how it all meshes together in perfect harmony I KNOW there is a creator.

Period.

This world works too well for there not to be a designer.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~




I agree on the what ifs. No, you do not know there is a creator, none of us do.

Do you know how many flaws and engineering failures are in the human body. Or the simple understanding that all mammals have the same basic core structure with only slight deviations in DNA. So dont tell me that humans are "unique". We are simply the Cadillac model of all all neutral, generic models. Thus favored by evolution.





GLP