Best El Hierro Thread On GLP - Canary Islands - ACTIVITY HAS RETURNED - AGAIN! | |
TardisBlue User ID: 1527687 United Kingdom 10/25/2011 10:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I hope that is a glitch.. or something very bad just happened there. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3938543 When people said scientists were kicking the can down the road, i didn't realise they were being literal. Lots of square waves, uniform curves and hitting the on/off switch. Nothing showing up on the other stations. Consider them man or computer created squiggles. Fuerteventura webcam. Looks beautiful there. [link to www.solitour.info] Isaiah 55:8 'For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.' |
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momma coop User ID: 1306455 United States 10/25/2011 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | not sure if you guys saw this or not. I have been off cleaning out my cabinets.:) [link to www.elpais.com] The power is yours. Take it back. In a world where you can choose to be anything, choose to be kind. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 995876 United States 10/25/2011 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.01.ign.es] 11mm change in two days at Gomera [link to www.01.ign.es] 9mm change in two days at Tenerife [link to www.01.ign.es] 27mm change in two days at this location in Hierro [link to www.01.ign.es] 14mm change in two days at this location in Hierro [link to www.01.ign.es] 15mm change in two days at this location in Hierro, pausing for record high on deformation of 40mm Holy Crap!!! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 995876 United States 10/25/2011 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good Gawwwwd! Look at Fuerteventura two helicorder charts! Quoting: there ain't no God [link to www.01.ign.es] [link to www.01.ign.es] Look at those frequency marks...on all levels! How can something maintain like that with no variance? [link to www.01.ign.es] |
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very interesting User ID: 3103143 Spain 10/25/2011 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 3931485 United Kingdom 10/25/2011 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good Gawwwwd! Look at Fuerteventura two helicorder charts! Quoting: there ain't no God [link to www.01.ign.es] [link to www.01.ign.es] Look at those frequency marks...on all levels! How can something maintain like that with no variance? [link to www.01.ign.es] i think there's a fault there, BUT something is interesting. when you compare that chart to Gran Canaria, those sharp red spikes seem to correspond to the yellow signal at Gran Canaria.. [link to www.01.ign.es] what is that signal? |
very interesting User ID: 3103143 Spain 10/25/2011 12:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good Gawwwwd! Look at Fuerteventura two helicorder charts! Quoting: there ain't no God [link to www.01.ign.es] [link to www.01.ign.es] Look at those frequency marks...on all levels! How can something maintain like that with no variance? [link to www.01.ign.es] i think there's a fault there, BUT something is interesting. when you compare that chart to Gran Canaria, those sharp red spikes seem to correspond to the yellow signal at Gran Canaria.. [link to www.01.ign.es] what is that signal? I could imagine there may be huge electrical discharges ionising the area, due to the shift of a lot of energie between rocks. A piezo like effect. The transmission of the heli signals is most likely wireless and prone to interferences like that. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 995876 United States 10/25/2011 12:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.01.ign.es] Quoting: Idgits 11mm change in two days at Gomera [link to www.01.ign.es] 9mm change in two days at Tenerife [link to www.01.ign.es] 27mm change in two days at this location in Hierro [link to www.01.ign.es] 14mm change in two days at this location in Hierro [link to www.01.ign.es] 15mm change in two days at this location in Hierro, pausing for record high on deformation of 40mm Holy Crap!!! These movements are definitely telling a story. If the charts aren't lying then we'll see something major occur very soon. This is some of the most extreme movements we've seen in the whole duration of watching the Canaries. I'm looking at this and realizing...some of the areas that have not experienced too much movement are now starting to really get shaken. And...we're seeing more movement collectively, across all the islands, than we've seen at any point to date. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 995876 United States 10/25/2011 12:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good Gawwwwd! Look at Fuerteventura two helicorder charts! Quoting: there ain't no God [link to www.01.ign.es] [link to www.01.ign.es] Look at those frequency marks...on all levels! How can something maintain like that with no variance? [link to www.01.ign.es] i think there's a fault there, BUT something is interesting. when you compare that chart to Gran Canaria, those sharp red spikes seem to correspond to the yellow signal at Gran Canaria.. [link to www.01.ign.es] what is that signal? I could imagine there may be huge electrical discharges ionising the area, due to the shift of a lot of energie between rocks. A piezo like effect. The transmission of the heli signals is most likely wireless and prone to interferences like that. I spotlighted the frequencies a few pages back. The site I was giving showed exactly what frequencies each station was using. And...I also provided evidence that they're using LiDAR equipment out there to survey and record imagery. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 995876 United States 10/25/2011 12:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anybody notice...the PSD analysis of the La Palma recorder doesn't seem to be accurately recording the frequencies going on there? [link to www.01.ign.es] |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 995876 United States 10/25/2011 12:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anybody notice...the PSD analysis of the La Palma recorder doesn't seem to be accurately recording the frequencies going on there? Quoting: Idgits [link to www.01.ign.es] Looks ok to me, but i think PSD is sometimes playing catch up or doesn't compute effectively until it has 24 hours data, or if it has missing data. I'd look at it again when the day is done. Holy crap! So sorry...I put the wrong location. It's Fuerteventura...not La Palma [link to www.01.ign.es] |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 995876 United States 10/25/2011 02:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | only a few quakes have been felt anywhere. its like a swan - graceful above, and paddling like fuck underneath Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3766212 Anybody here from Hawaii? They have similar volcanoes there and similar sizes of quakes. Do they feel them when they're in the 2.0-3.0 range? Is there something about the basalt rock that absorbs the tremors so they're not felt as much? Maybe the water from the Atlantic absorbs the shocks? I live in California. If a quake of 2.0-3.0 hits in my area, I usually feel at least a lil movement. Sometimes the ceiling fan or the plant swings a tiny bit. I'm just one person. Hard to believe that 10,000+ people live on this island and nobody reports feeling any of these quakes? especially when they're fairly shallow? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 995876 United States 10/25/2011 02:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's incredible...those are showing that they're actually earthquakes...right? I mean...how do you get that much activity without a quake? Here's the actual seismograph. That's a lot of waves! [link to www.01.ign.es] |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 995876 United States 10/25/2011 02:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anybody able to comment on the radiation absorption map? How is it that it all dissappears so rapidly? I mean dang...one day the planet is inundated at the poles and waves are reaching clear into the adjacent continents...and today it's all gone! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 995876 United States 10/25/2011 02:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anybody able to comment on the radiation absorption map? How is it that it all dissappears so rapidly? I mean dang...one day the planet is inundated at the poles and waves are reaching clear into the adjacent continents...and today it's all gone! Quoting: Idgits [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 995876 United States 10/25/2011 02:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most recent...as of right now not on EMSC yet 2011/10/25 17:37:02.04 27.8075 -18.0655 9.10 5.50 170 23.10 5.3 2.70 0 9 9 0.23 244.0 1107756 NW FRONTERA.IHI [link to www.01.ign.es] |
TardisBlue User ID: 1527687 United Kingdom 10/25/2011 03:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anybody able to comment on the radiation absorption map? How is it that it all dissappears so rapidly? I mean dang...one day the planet is inundated at the poles and waves are reaching clear into the adjacent continents...and today it's all gone! Quoting: Idgits [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Hope i can help. But i'm still learning. Generally absorption is from solar winds. When a CME passes, the dense wave usually pushes all material in space with it and creates a gap in behind the wave, similar to moving your hand through water or air creates a pocket in behind it. That could be why after the CME reached earth, we can see a sudden drop off in absorption. Hope i explained well enough. This current simulation should help visualising what i'm trying to describe. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Isaiah 55:8 'For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.' |
TardisBlue User ID: 1527687 United Kingdom 10/25/2011 03:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anybody able to comment on the radiation absorption map? How is it that it all dissappears so rapidly? I mean dang...one day the planet is inundated at the poles and waves are reaching clear into the adjacent continents...and today it's all gone! Quoting: Idgits [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Hope i can help. But i'm still learning. Generally absorption is from solar winds. When a CME passes, the dense wave usually pushes all material in space with it and creates a gap in behind the wave, similar to moving your hand through water or air creates a pocket in behind it. That could be why after the CME reached earth, we can see a sudden drop off in absorption. Hope i explained well enough. This current simulation should help visualising what i'm trying to describe. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Notice the CME collects material from an existing stream in front of earth, increasing in density of the wave, the white area, and pushes it all in earth's direction. And then the very dark blue area right in behind the wave, is where density drops off, hence decrease in absorption. Last Edited by TardisBlue on 10/25/2011 03:09 PM Isaiah 55:8 'For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.' |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 995876 United States 10/25/2011 04:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's incredible...those are showing that they're actually earthquakes...right? I mean...how do you get that much activity without a quake? Here's the actual seismograph. That's a lot of waves! [link to www.01.ign.es] Looks to me like it may be flatlining and then all of the missing data is coming through compressed. Problem in transmission maybe. Does it really do that? I'm trying to picture in my head how the graphs we're seeing could bunch up data. I've seen the machines go down multiple times in the past 3 months and I've never seen an accumulation occur like this after they come back online. Are these somewhat real time? Or...are we getting a computer generated read out of what the true seismographs are getting? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 995876 United States 10/25/2011 04:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anybody able to comment on the radiation absorption map? How is it that it all dissappears so rapidly? I mean dang...one day the planet is inundated at the poles and waves are reaching clear into the adjacent continents...and today it's all gone! Quoting: Idgits [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Hope i can help. But i'm still learning. Generally absorption is from solar winds. When a CME passes, the dense wave usually pushes all material in space with it and creates a gap in behind the wave, similar to moving your hand through water or air creates a pocket in behind it. That could be why after the CME reached earth, we can see a sudden drop off in absorption. Hope i explained well enough. This current simulation should help visualising what i'm trying to describe. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Can a CME gather up debris? Like dust, meteors, space junk, etc? If so, could it theoretically hurl it towards earth? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 995876 United States 10/25/2011 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not sure why I feel like you take most of what I say and try to denounce it or belittle it. I didn't think I was being insistent? I'm merely looking for info and trying to understand why the signals aren't representing like they do on other charts at other times. Quoting: Idgits Fair enough. I don't know why you would feel that way either, except that the accusation of such insistence should not have been fully directed at you. So i apologise. In my opinion, that Fuerteventura data is clearly the result of a technical fault and i can see no purpose focusing on it, unless your interest is in the further degradation of the efforts of the IGN, which i feel is both unjust and a distraction. If you want to follow it up, can see something i don't or just want to cover all bases, then i can genuinely say, good luck. I should perhaps keep my nose out of your business and maybe there is something to it that i missed. I just wouldn't want you running down a dead end street, that's all really. Now, back to El Hierro? It's not that I want to degrade IGN. It's that they seem to have conflicting info coming from their own scientists. Several times we'll see one resource quoting one IGN scientist, and then another resource will quote another IGN scientist. And, the stories end up conflicting with each other. RSOE actually pointed that out once before...I will try and look for the posts we've documented this in. I want to get accurate info in this thread...and, I'm an investigator at heart :) |
TardisBlue User ID: 1527687 United Kingdom 10/25/2011 04:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's incredible...those are showing that they're actually earthquakes...right? I mean...how do you get that much activity without a quake? Here's the actual seismograph. That's a lot of waves! [link to www.01.ign.es] Looks to me like it may be flatlining and then all of the missing data is coming through compressed. Problem in transmission maybe. Does it really do that? I'm trying to picture in my head how the graphs we're seeing could bunch up data. I've seen the machines go down multiple times in the past 3 months and I've never seen an accumulation occur like this after they come back online. Are these somewhat real time? Or...are we getting a computer generated read out of what the true seismographs are getting? Some machines could. Can these machines malfunction in such a way? I have no idea. The measurements may be digitally converted and from what you've uncovered it looks like the noise is filtered to clean up the signal, but i wouldn't call them computer-generated by any stretch. Isaiah 55:8 'For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.' |
TardisBlue User ID: 1527687 United Kingdom 10/25/2011 05:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's not that I want to degrade IGN. It's that they seem to have conflicting info coming from their own scientists. Several times we'll see one resource quoting one IGN scientist, and then another resource will quote another IGN scientist. And, the stories end up conflicting with each other. RSOE actually pointed that out once before...I will try and look for the posts we've documented this in. Quoting: Idgits I want to get accurate info in this thread...and, I'm an investigator at heart :) I did notice the RSOE thing. It looked to me like they had picked up a week old report. I've no doubt there are conflicting opinions within IGN though. Last Edited by TardisBlue on 10/25/2011 05:00 PM Isaiah 55:8 'For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.' |