Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality

Well, don't we eventually overcome the fear by experiencing it?

of course, and you make my point.
or you continue in that strange called "low" perspective?

natural spiritual growth of the soul is to transcend after many cycles when we are aware, so every time in our development we create/recreate environments and tools that help our uplift.

why should one do the inverse (return to "low perspectives") once you've gone beyond?

Not many here would be doing these "experiments" of chaol if they had not overcome those "low" perspectives" in themself, overcoming fears to the unknown.
guys/gals here are brave, sharing this experience with them is cool, i respect their knowledge, advances and i never understimate at what point of breaking this illusion they are.

Hope that explanation expand my asseveration pointing why we are not dreaming/traveling "low perspectives" anymore when going to sleep.


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Omg, you are so good for recognizing this pattern. I can't begin to explain how this helps to ease my mind, but it really does. We all have our own 'law' on how to seek truth, and patterns are certainly a part of mine. So is ancient history with its legends and poetry. I am not trying to enter dream world through Sekhmet anymore, but probably will pay her a visite soon(she has the face of the cat I always communicated with).

But this story, is true. I can feel it. I'll be on writing my own story in Dream World, its magic and therefore so natural to be in.

But thank you, for your truthfull input.
Grtz Sam

Thanks alot for trying the experiment and reporting your findings. I am glad that you found it interesting.

"Wouldn't you think it would also be all shades in-between?"
Could you please elaborate more on this ?

Hugz.

Mutant, in my opinion that was actually a very clever answer, straight to the point there and very in line with my own reasoning.

ouicestmoi, When i mention the "lower" realms i simply mean to define the places where we are not as "comfortable" with what we are perceiving.

Of course it all still exists within the scope of our perception only, but if we happen to perceive it, then it is real and we are definitly allowed to perceive it, so to say.

One thing pretty interesting i've discovered during my experiences is that we can find lots of shared concepts between the physical world and the dream world (like polarity, friendship, hierarchy, sadness, joy, it's like almost every feeling seems to be shared).

I think this happens because both are sub realities within the same super reality, and so both worlds are set on the same foundations.

The main difference seems to be that in the physical world certain rules are applied that unallow you to be playing in GOD mode, so to speak.

So by exploring the "lower" realms while in half-awake mode, we might be able to start interpreting specific "lower" realm dream patterns with our waking mind.

In my opinion by doing this you're not only practicing your travelling skills but also increasing your chances to identify and/or interpret "lower" realm's dream patterns with your waking mind while in deep sleep mode.

We should remember that deep sleep mode is no more than a rule of the physical world, since all biological bodies have to sleep.

Within this rule, there are many other sub-rules. One of them seems to be that, by default, your waking mind is not allowed to perceive what is happening with your astral self in the dream world during biological sleep. Other is that sometimes it constructs a representation of the parts of the dream world experience it finds relevant when you wake up.

If we pay real attention to the dream world patterns while in half-awake mode we can realize that these representations are just a desperate effort from your waking mind.
Basically when you wake up it is trying to represent something it doesn't understand.

It's more or less like we asking ourselves to translate a text written in chinese (or any other language we don't know) to our native language.

We can understand this, if we study the images printed in our waking mind about the dream world experience during biological sleep when we wake up.

As soon as we wake up we have the feeling that we were in a "movie" inside our brain. That happens with just any regular dream, from a nightmare, to uncomfortable dream or simply any dream at all, yes even wet dreams.

In this movie, everything always looks alot like we are in the physical world, even if sometimes we can have supernatural habilities like flying or so, the images are always of the physical world.

We can know that this is just our brain playing tricks with us, because we can go into the dream world while in half-awake and easily understand that things are not that way in the dream world (this meaning that we start recognizing dream patterns).

From my travels i found out that during deep sleep mode we really are in a slumber, "floating" through the "lower" realms of the dream world most of the time, but still experiencing the dream world like in half-awake state, just that your waking mind is offline.
I would say that this is dream world experience is very similar (when it comes to what feelings you have) to the one you will get by being in a remote location in the physical world, alone and gazing the stars.

With this i am not implying that being in the "lower" realms is all you do while in deep sleep mode, in fact if you are able to be aware you can be anywhere you want, at the same time like in half-awake mode.

The problem for us is that by action of the control systems of the biological sleep world our waking mind is not allowed to learn about dream world patterns during biological sleep.
When your waking mind goes offline your astral self enters the dream world in a "restricted" state where you can't teach your waking mind about dream patterns.

However, if you can already recognize the dream patterns it's a whole different story. This seems to draw attention to your waking mind whenever they occur, thus making it possible for us to remember dream patterns in it's TRUE FORM, instead of movie / brain translation/ physical representation FORM.

When Mutant says that we will overcome our fear by experiencing it, i really find it very enlightening. This applies in so many ways to what i've seen during my travels and described in my reports and also to ouicestmoi's argument. Thanks for the insight.

Hugz.

Would it be possible that one could be 10% there and 10% somewhere else while 80% here? I dont see why our data stream would have to be restricted. With practice, I am convinced that we can parallel process multiple perspectives while only holding one.

Hello friend!

The above post is in regard to perspective states/modes.

The only way our data stream would have to be restricted is if we decide so (by forcing a Physical World Only perception state).

In half-awake mode, you are allowed to experience the dream world reality and the physical world reality at the same time.

Knowing that as soon as we enter the dream world we are able to make things very relative to our perception very fast, that should be enough for what you ask.

This is what we do when we enter the half-awake perspective state by using a portal. Our waking mind is then allowed into the dream world, so that we can learn more about it and experience it.

In other words, we have shifted our perception to allow us to visualize the dream world while having our waking mind online. Hence the half-awake name.

Hugz.

I understand where you are coming from, but "half" implies 50%. I feel like your interpretation of "waking" mind would be my interpretation of a lucidity. If we maintain lucidity, then it doesn't matter what kind of fluffy crazy beautiful experience we have, we interpret that experience through our ego as defined by our experience. Lucidity can be achieved and maintained at all times but i would imagine it could also lead to some unforeseen limitations.

Aww my bad, friend.

Is it possible that the we use the word "half" to define something that is near to match a specific concept, but not fully does it, like half dead ?

The above definition was what i originally meant to state, i'm sorry if you guys misunderstood it. I found it somewhat descriptive, though. That was why I used that name for that specific perception state in the other post.


My interpretation of waking mind is that it is the whole system that allows you to perceive things in the physical world. This happens through its interface with your astral body, the brain.


And so it happens when we visualize Sekhmet in the first place.

We are using our waking mind to focus on a symbol and a specific interaction, and that group acts as a portal.

That is how we travel to the dream world.

That is also how we seem to interact with it, when we are already perceiving it.

I don't see how it could be possible to properly interpret dreamworld experiences, for example during biological sleep, without first teaching our waking mind, and its interface (your brain), how to interpret dream world patterns.

While being in half-awake perception mode, experiencing the dream world, we are basically building a Map object, that contains the dream world patterns so that our brain starts to know and learn them.

There are alot of dream world patterns like for example: communicating , travelling, creating, destroying, interacting etc.

If your waking mind doesn't learn how to properly distinguish them, those patterns will appear in the form of "dreams" aka brain deception to the waking mind.

Also while in this state your brain can be mostly a spectator, if you like it so.
You can let your astral self free to focus only on dream world events just letting your brain peak into the experience.

Maybe Chaol can give us some insight in this matter later when he posts.

Some of the things i'm writing he showed me himself, apart from my research.
I am quite sure he will show them to you too if you happen to ask him about it in the dream world.

Chaol is always willing to answer all possible questions you might have there, as he posted previously.

Hugz.

@AC1466619

I do understand where you are coming from. But are you sure that we are "traveling" and that our "interface" is the brain?

As I see it, all we do is receive data(symbols) and we interpret the data through the lens of our perceived experience. Although our perspective changes, I don't personally perceive it as "travelling". Is having a brain a prerequisite for perception? I don't know, it seems that way from a physical matter reality perspective. What comes first the perspective or the brain? I've come to the understanding that perspective is fundamental and the brain, like this physical matter reality(dream) is not.

I don't mean to contradict you or imply you are wrong, i just seek to describe my perspective.

This is healthy constructive discussion.

I didn't think you meant to contradict me or imply i was wrong.

I like to think that we are learning from discussing these matters.


I'm quite sure it isn't.

What i was implying was that the brain is the interface between our astral self and the waking mind, or "lucidity" as you call it, in the physical world.

This doesn't mean that we can't perceive ANYTHING else without our brain.

The brain's pretty much like a container for our astral self, and allows for the astral to interact with the physical body (it is how you control your physical body after all), thus experiencing the physical world.

The dream world doesn't follow the same set of physical rules, so we are able to perceive it without a physical body or brain.

The curve ball here is when we want to integrate our dream world experience into our perspective, when we are experiencing the physical world at the same time.

When you are experiencing the physical world it is like your astral self is dormant and has to cope with what the brain is allowed to do.

By default, our waking mind seems to be working at a very low frequency, and is unable to represent dream world content properly.

So to integrate our dream world experiences within our physical experience we have to shift our perception state to a half-awake state, thus teaching our interface with the physical world (the brain) how to represent dream content properly (this means showing our brain how the dream world works and recognizing dream world patterns).

With this being said, all this is the same as taking "baby steps" for us to be able to experience the dream world and have our waking mind represent it properly.

This concept applies even more when we want to remember dream content that has happened during the biological sleep process, when our waking mind is offline.

Hugz.

@AC1466619

Well put.

I agree with you on many points, but when you say "astral" body, you lose me. I just don't perceive the physical fleshy brain as anything more than a metaphor for something far more fundamental. I don't really see a difference between the vessel I occupy when OOB and the one I have here. When you use the word astral, do you just mean "non-physical"? Because couldn't our vessel outside of this ruleset be anything or take any form?

Today I tried to integrate both the waking world and the dream world...

The image of Sekhmet comes quite often to my mind during the day. I think of her. So, as I was sitting down, waiting in a busy hallway, and had to make best use of my next 10 minutes, I thought... what if I use this hallway as my room and Sekhmet is right there, in the middle?

I imagined her there, while waking world people were walking in the same space, and this "feeling" of the dream world came upon me. I could almost sense "us" in the vicinity too. Hard to describe. My waking mind had to stay active, as it was an important reason for me to be there, but I had this distinct feeling that both worlds were active at the same time.

Quite interesting.

Hello, friend.

By astral body i mean any counsciousness who is able to perceive .

It seems to be able to perceive several realms, worlds or realities.

When we have our consciousness encased in a human body, we start our experience in the physical world.

The human body is then the host of our consciousness or astral body.

By being cast into a physical body we are allowed to experience the physical world. For that purpose to be fit, strong rules like the biological process, time, karma, death etc are enforced into Matter.

None of these rules are coming from out of nowhere.
These rules are the control systems and agents that compose the physical world.
This is by design, so that we may benefit from experiencing the physical world.

There is not really a difference in our counsciousness by it being encased in a physical body, except for the rules enforced into Matter.
These rules are carefully designed by the source to allow us to perceive an artificial experience such as experiencing the physical world.

Everything is creation, otherwise it wouldn't exist.

I will be away for quite some time now.

If by any chance you or anyone else want to meet me in the dream world i will always be there waiting for all of you, whenever you feel like visiting me.

If you want to meet me there, just go to the Dark Sun.
It is just like our Sun but it is dark. You will always find my temple there. Zulkar is the name.

Hugz.

Really nice too meet you Zulkar. I'm sure we'll chat again.

Chaol Lite, where have you run off to?

(mosquitoes don't help)

lol

Interesting!
Does all of humanity go into the world of dreams or is it only those who wish to do so? Sort of like the first humans to experience it but still exist here in this reality :)

life is good ....

To all who have wondered or asked questions here, we (will) connect in the dream world.

See you there :)

I guess, "coincidences" abound...
Thread: There is a cat on the sun!

Doesn't this mirrored image (posted in that thread) look like Sekhmet?
[link to postimage.org]

It made me think of our meetings on the surface of the sun, using Sekhmet as a portal.

Things are getting interesting...

I dunno, the mirror thang looks kinda ink-blotty. I see an eagle or bird.

I will set time to attempt a connection way before bedtime today, for true half sleep mode only.

Last night, I meant to go back to the green field, for a moment of relaxation and to talk to you... I was so tired and at the same time my waking mind overexcited by the events of the day... I didn't make it past the passageway and fell into deep sleep.

Don't you see a lion face there?

I do, kinda. It really looks like an eagle or bird head to me.

the black thing, looks like a bird?

Is it still too late to try? What would you guys recommend as the first try this night? the sun , the room, or what?

Hey, you should check this out, if you have trouble believing.

[link to www.ted.com]

@Chaol or whomever have succeeded with the dream. I am having a hard time with this, what do you recommend? By problem is, that I keep expecting that the statue will somehow appear before me. I have no problem with imagining the statue, nor imagining the statue having a blue collar, so to speak. But it is not vivid as such, it is as imagining is. And therefore I am having a hard time putting my right hand on her left shoulder. I've tried doing it physically and mentally, nothing happens. I tried imagining what is said to supposedly happen. But that becomes as real as the imagining of the statue, not very real at all :)

Hope it makes sense, and you have some tips.

Never too late, Chaol said we can join at anytime.

This is just me, but I would follow the sequence that Chaol outlined.
The green field first, then the sun, then the room. But I don't think it matters, I think he said that.

This evening, I am going to try the green field with the tree again. :)

I did watch that video a while back, and now I don't remember the content clearly. Thanks! I'll watch it again.

In my experience, imagination does it. Get into it, visualize the sequence, and eventually, when you reach the place, it becomes more vivid.

At times, I have to restart again, focusing more and more on her details, until the waking mind is tired of analyzing if I did it right, and the "plot" evolves on its own, pathway, scenery, interaction, and so on.

As you visualize, you can try to evoke sensations. Like when you put your hand on her shoulder, try to "feel" the temperature of the stone, the solidity of ther shoulder, etc.

Hope this helps.

LOL