TPTB or "Illuminati" are not your enemy! Abrahamist religions are the enemy!

Well, lets keep it that way.

If ignorance is bliss then you must have reached Nirvana.

:)

Come on over anytime! :)

I'll definitely start doing so again. My life has kind of settled down a bit, so I'll jump in and chat in the evenings. Maybe even throw up some threads of mine that would be of interest.

I have been trying to explain to people that all of these things they love to blame it all on are smoke and mirrors.

I call "the cabals" and the like "The Collective" because so far, they have managed to either; a. create entities/organizations that distract from them or, b. blame other entities/organizations that have little to nothing to do with their activities (usually while trying to kill them off).

I have experienced the Collective and how they seem to be able to find each other without any problem--everywhere they go.

So far, NONE of the conspiracy theories are correct, NONE have discovered them on a large scale. By not having a name or a specific organization, they escape notice. Their very methodology is devious.

Satanism is where a vast many people stop looking for "the ultimate evil". Discover what they think are signs of satanism, and THEY DO NOT LOOK FURTHER.

This, of course, is of great benefit to those who do not want anyone looking further.

I would try to explain all of this to such people as Krime, for example, but it's useless. They latch onto these freely offered (or created) scapegoats and refuse to look beyond that.

I have long found it difficult to believe that "the illuminati" are behind all of this. If for nothing else, the knowledge of their existence is widespread. If a secret society truly wanted to be secret and stay that way... it would. And it has.

So I have disobeyed the mandate to not name it. The Collective. I name it and I point to it.

Not that anyone wants to hear it.

You have to first descend to the deepest of depths before you can ascend to the highest of heights.

You hit the nail right on the head, Sandi.

So many people will simply refuse to look any further at the first sign that something might be "Satanic" or "Occult".

Evil disguises itself as Good.

Good disguises itself as Evil.

This is why at the entrance to the Inferno, Dante was greeted with the sign that read "Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate."

You must be willing to surrender all your convictions, all your preconceived notions and all your expectations because these will all act as a thick fog upon the lens with which you are attempting to see through.

Some are listening. For what it's worth, I agree with you. I distinguish between the elite (being the social/political engineers who wish to run the show for their own benefit), the Illuminati (who's name seems to have been hijacked by all and sundry for their own nefarious purposes - mostly scaremongering it seems) and TPTB, which, to my mind, encompasses both powers for good and powers for bad. Hence I have no problem with the OP saying that TPTB are not (necessarily) our enemies.

To your point about the Illuminati no longer being secret, is that not the perfect way to hide in plain sight? Let the enemy hijack your name and quietly go about your business while everyone is looking in the wrong place?

I look forward to hearing what you have to share, friend! :)

Well thank you!

Oh! And I have to say, if you are illuminati, then it boggles my mind that you would look forward to anything I have to share.

Now, that is viewing it from an angle outside relationship. Once the 'relationship' is formed, it becomes easier to 'accept' in my mind. But, when I look at it from being a kid and into adult-hood, previous to all my recent contacts in the last couple years, I would have thought it an impossibility...just because of who I am. A no one, lol.

HA!
as if you can even begin to think you know what i do and dont know!
if you want to name me in the art of your speculation, feel free, just shows more about what you know, and dont.

You've already exposed that you don't know what I'm talking about. No use backpedaling now.

It was an okay try, though. I give it about a 3.

LOL!
really?
didnt you just see a few posts back the OP stating they like to post "disinfo"?
now dont get me wrong, there is truth to some of what hes saying, however, alot is bs too.
hiding in plain sight my ass.
the only thing thats "public" about them is what they dont care that the public knows.

hmmmm. a judgement of the ignorant. ill take that 3 as a compliment then.
ive studied quite a bit about what some, like op stated, like to group together as the Illuminati.
i know alot about its origins, its practices, and even some of its secrets. but there are different sects that form different relationships of belief and practice, much like myself, being of a Christian sort do not practice the same as RCC, Catholic, Lutheran or Baptist sects.
looking further into evil?
why would i need to do that?
if i find a person to be evil, why would i look further into the evil they represent?

So do the Zbigniew B., H. Kissinger, P.Peterson, Richard Gardner types answer to you, or you to them, or are you in some other totally different hierarchy?

Back in the days of the Cold War, there were three people living in America who could have their private planes take them back and forth between the US and the USSR without any kind of formalities other than flight plans--David Rockefeller, Averell Harriman, and Armand Hammer. These Kings of Capital had that kind of Power, but were still subjects of a Greater Power still. Those are the kind of folks most of us refer to as being TPTB. "Illuminati" is just a word anyone can use.

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They do not necessarily 'answer' to us though they are in communication with us. You'd be surprised how many of these infamous people work with us in the Astral realm. I would say we are on a totally different hierarchy, as you put it. Those who you commonly imagine to be "TPTB" are what I term 'aspirants' in that they choose to imitate us using socio-political engineering, wealth/stock-market manipulation and other techniques. We are on a much different wavelength. And I appreciate your open-mindedness, Muzzle. I know we may not see eye to eye but I can tell you have a very good heart and I admire your courage and unwavering conviction.

There is no reason to fear "evil". If you are that firm in your belief and strong within yourself there is no harm in looking further into this 'alleged' evil.

Well, I would certainly value your input greatly! We all have something to learn from one another and something to each one another as well. I look forward to what the future has in store for you and you are certainly NOT a 'nobody'. :)

You've heard it said some 'entertain angels unawares'? There is much truth to this but not the way you would expect. Don't be so close-minded, Krime. You have so much potential. Use it!!

OP you brought great closure to this thread. I enjoyed it.

Well, I hope this thread isn't complete! I'm still anticipating hearing back from some of the other members. :)

Glad you enjoyed it though!

I love how the mystics always claim some sort of knowledge that they can't tell us cause we wouldn't understand (allegedly). Well, you stick to your mumbo jumbo and I'll go back to my science books. Science... you know the stuff that made basically everything around us? Yeah, it's god's true word since if god made the universe, the equations describe how he made it work. It's not that hard to understand. And absolute power corrupts and since all humans are fallible we shouldn't have a system that is too centralized no matter who is in charge. Just basics... it's not that hard. You mystics say so much without saying anything at all.

We have the technology right now for the entire planet to be sustainable. We should unite as a globe more in a spiritual sense as human beings while keeping the structure somewhat spread out as checks and balances. The global war on terror is an elite war against dissent and should be ended. The whole climate crap is a way to get the people of the world to voluntarily accept less and accept complete control of their lives, and so this should be nipped in the bud as well and replaced with first looking at whether significant climate change is even happening at all. Yeah, first things first, but I know you'd love to skip right to the rationing and surveillance, but I guess that's just too bad.

The people of the globe can come together behind living sustainably, living longer and exploring the universe, etc. This can be done now with the globe as interconnected as it is, and with the proper leadership. I don't understand what the hold up is? Oh yeah, it's the elite groups of the world and their desire for complete control. But you will continue to blame the rest of us, I'm sure.

OP- you never answered my questions from page 10 or so? What's up? You addressed all the religious dimwits who are easy to debunk but skipped over me for some reason? Yeah, well, I'm not affected by hocus pocus nor the passive aggressive pose of control freak mystics, so you probably sensed that and retreated. Good call.

These religions are also carefully choreographed to create psychic constructs. They call their creations 'djinn' or 'demons'.

These constructs come from the devices that they worship, sometimes imbued into their book, but more often imbued into their church or mosque areas. Frequently, they are attached to things like crosses and family bibles.

Then society is flooded with the idea that "only the name of jesus" will stop the onslaught of these 'demons'. With the inculcation of this mind virus, it's very easy for these psychic constructs to 'haunt' people who come into contact with objects or places that have been imbued with the energy of human belief.

The construct takes the form expected by the believers once activated. They will act as their creators expect them to act. If they are expected to only respond to "the name of jesus" they will do so. If expected to respond to "the name of allah" then they will do so.

Beside this 'magic' [psionic] is the additional teachings that are foisted off onto the public, that of helplessness and the basic concept of HUMANS AS POWERLESS against the "supernatural".

Without the true knowledge of ourselves as fully empowered beings created by a powerful and loving Creator, we can fall prey to the depredations of such psychic constructs, and thus to the religions that spawned them.

This is not to say that these things are created on purpose; to the contrary. It is ignorance of what they are doing that creates them, which is by design.

All knowledge of ourselves as powerful spiritual beings has been stolen from us. Through mass murder and careful and systematic genocide, those with this knowledge have all been either silenced, or utterly destroyed.

Because of this, we are left vulnerable only because we do not realize that we can only be 'afflicted' by these constructs without our own consent; which is created by unconscious agreement in their existence and our own powerlessness.

Anyone who discusses such things, however, quickly becomes a target on many levels. And we will continue to come under fire until humanity decides in larger numbers to stop accepting 'learned helplessness' and begin asserting our right to know ourselves as fully realized, powerful spiritual beings.

These religions are also carefully choreographed to create psychic constructs.

That is very true.

It will also take a long time before this is out of the minds of the people.

For instance: Lots and lots of people are now advocating "new religions" and philosophies. BUT..............they are still talking about Jesus Christ, Christ energy and what have you. They just give it a twist, that's all.
This is a school example of how hard it is to let go of failed systems.

There has been a great WORKING system in place before the advent of Christianity (and Islam some 500 years later).

In order (no pun intended) to truly be free from the shackles of religious slavery people need to let go of all the manifestations of the Demiurg. The false, evil and blind "God" who created this world of polarity and all its limitations.
These religions are built to create separation...

=Nexion=

You never cease to amaze me, Sandi! Good stuff! Much truth here!

It's funny isn't it? How every new 'mystic' or 'psuedo-religious' New Age system promotes a "Christ Consciousness" or a "Holy Spirit". Christianity plagarized much from the Ancient Mystery Religions and Paganism and now these new systems are plagarizing from them? Where is the originality? We must get back to the basics. Yes, there is a Divine Universal Intelligence. Yes, there is a spark of Divinity that imbues all creation. Yes, we can obtain a higher state of consciousness. But if we keep personifying it as a "Christ" it will forever be something not of ourselves. We must claim it as our own. The 'pearl of great price' lies dormant within our very minds and we must excavate it and bring it forth if we are to let the world see our Great Light.

Yeah well, funny and funny.......it's kinda sad actually in my opinion.

The world and her population are so much in 'darkness' that the individual doesn't recognize it's own light shining upon that same world.

By far most of the followers of one of the world's main religions don't even know what their religion entitles, they don't even know what it is........

The people are forced to make decisions based on emotions rather than on knowledge or even reason(ing). This doesn't only count for religions by the way. We see this in many parts of life. Basically all choices the people make are based on emotions. Think about that.

And acting on emotions isn't very constructive over a longer period of time.

It is VERY difficult because most people are ingrained in that sort of mentality - being driven by their feelings and emotion. Or they are at the totally opposite end of the spectrum and very rigid and calculated, not giving feeling much consideration at all. Have you seen the movie, Equilibrium? It paints a picture of what a society would be like if 'emotion' was completely forbidden. It raised some interesting questions, in my opinion.

I have seen it once. I don't remember much i must admit.

All i'm saying is that people/mankind should have, no, are entitled to a new perspective of things, the world, existence whatever you want to call it.

"Panopticon"