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Njosnavelin User ID: 23697755 Portugal 11/22/2012 12:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm Blackfoot/French Canadian, born in Wa. Timeline; Washington= no name=1543 claimed by Spain=1579 claimed by England=1775 claimed by Spain again=1818 US and Britain agree to joint occupy=1823 Monroe Doctrine=1843 Great Migration=1871 - Indian Appropriations Act states that Indians are no longer considered sovereign nations but wards of the federal government.=1854 Walla Walla county formed. Quoting: Mahala 1889 - Washington becomes the 42nd state. So with this am I called a what? American, just because my ancestors didn't have a name for a country or they did and someone over wrote it? I'm an American Washatonian Oregonian? Hell I can even add the counties to this. I live in Oregon now so that's why I threw that part in.. Stupid to go by history books and the bible. We know history books don't always tell the truth and the bible I won't go there. That in itself is supposedly re-re-re-re-written so many times through peoples interpretation. So arguing over something unless you want to start with DNA and than be able to figure out from there exactly who is who...This argument can go any way. Palestinian can be a name such as Washatonian and Oregonian or it could actually be a tribe like the Blackfoot. Either way you all are loosing it..Just my 2cents.. as i said before.. portugal and spain owned half the world.. after signing "Tratado de Tordesilhas" maybe we should claim some nations as ours... germany first.. they´re rich.. |
juniorchubbs User ID: 28149766 United Kingdom 11/22/2012 12:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So let's not get into the technicalities and just stay on the main point. According to OP, there were no Arabs in the land known as Palestine before the British announced they were going to give it away to the Jews, who were the main inhabitants of that area, and that the Arabs only came to the area to ruin the Jewish state. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28157904 One wonders where to begin in deconstructing this ridiculous assertion. Any reader of history would know what the OP is saying is blatantly false, but to those who are not so aware of the region's history, let's take a look at a few historical points: 1) Before the British took Palestine, the area was ruled by the Turks as part of the Ottoman empire. After the Ottomans defeat in World war 1, the areas they controlled were divided among the British and French according as set by the infamous Sykes–Picot agreement, and hence the British got Palestine. During Ottoman times, Palestine was happily inhabited by many people of different ethnicity (religion, not race, is what officially distinguished people at that time). The majority living in Palestine were Muslims and Christians who spoke Arabic (and hence were Arab, since "Arab" as a term covers a cultural group defined by their language). It is absurd to suggest that a large patch of fertile land like Palestine, especially which holds extremely religious significance to Muslims and Christians, would be left alone solely to the Jews. 2) If OP's assertions were true, there would be no 1948 Arabs (Palestinians who stayed on the land despite Israeli attempts to kick them out). The majority of Palestinians fled their lands following Israelis massacres (such as Deir Yassin) and propaganda campaigns. If the Arabs came to Palestine specifically to ruin the Jewish state, then it would have made no sense for them to flee. If you still insist on believing OP's lie that there were no Arabs in Palestine, then please explain this video: |
Carshy McCarsh (OP) User ID: 17140966 United States 11/22/2012 12:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, as far as Israel is concerned, they are free to return or leave to any country that will have them. Quoting: Carshy McCarsh The problem, of course, is that their Arab brethren want nothing to do with them, and won't let them come one. Why don't you take it up with them? You have a warped perception of what has been going on in the Palestinian region since 48. Paestinian "ARABS" have been forced out of their homes when many of them lived in these places for generations. And the homes they lived in were built on land stolen from Jews. They made bad decisions betting that the owners of the stolen land would never return. They lost. Sick burn. Tell me what this tastes like... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25799108 United States 11/22/2012 12:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The real question is why are the zionists so obsessed with controlling this area? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26664171 wouldn't it have make much more sense that they seetled in some random state in america, whom came to their rescure in WW2, or simply go back to russia where they came from before seetlng in germany and all over europe. Why choice the middle east? What good did they actually think would come out of that, there gotta be some agenda behind that decision, other than their own thousand year old self written propheties. All the misery that have come from this, to both their own and the muslims, let alone the trail this conflict have left all over the world. it doesn't make any sense. And who are the people behind the zionist movement we always hear about on sites like this, how did they became so powerful that they pretty much control the whole western world, and how is it that noone actually know anything about them. Ask any random person at work if they know about the zionists and they will stare back with a blank look. I dunno what to think of it all. Denmark huh? Before you make statements like this, why don't you check your own history and see where it was the Americans who rescued your ass from the Nazis in WWII as well. Let's just uproot you and bring you to some other part of the World and see how you like it. Or....by chance would you start defending your position based on your ancestor's history going back over 10,000 years? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 17430724 United States 11/22/2012 12:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, as far as Israel is concerned, they are free to return or leave to any country that will have them. Quoting: Carshy McCarsh The problem, of course, is that their Arab brethren want nothing to do with them, and won't let them come one. Why don't you take it up with them? You have a warped perception of what has been going on in the Palestinian region since 48. Paestinian "ARABS" have been forced out of their homes when many of them lived in these places for generations. And the homes they lived in were built on land stolen from Jews. They made bad decisions betting that the owners of the stolen land would never return. They lost. Sick burn. Who did the chosen people of G-d steel it from? |
Carshy McCarsh (OP) User ID: 17140966 United States 11/22/2012 12:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The real question is why are the zionists so obsessed with controlling this area? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26664171 wouldn't it have make much more sense that they seetled in some random state in america, whom came to their rescure in WW2, or simply go back to russia where they came from before seetlng in germany and all over europe. Why choice the middle east? What good did they actually think would come out of that, there gotta be some agenda behind that decision, other than their own thousand year old self written propheties. All the misery that have come from this, to both their own and the muslims, let alone the trail this conflict have left all over the world. it doesn't make any sense. And who are the people behind the zionist movement we always hear about on sites like this, how did they became so powerful that they pretty much control the whole western world, and how is it that noone actually know anything about them. Ask any random person at work if they know about the zionists and they will stare back with a blank look. I dunno what to think of it all. Denmark huh? Before you make statements like this, why don't you check your own history and see where it was the Americans who rescued your ass from the Nazis in WWII as well. Let's just uproot you and bring you to some other part of the World and see how you like it. Or....by chance would you start defending your position based on your ancestor's history going back over 10,000 years? Zing! Tell me what this tastes like... |
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Mahala User ID: 28079653 United States 11/22/2012 12:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What´s the purpose of this debate? clarify who has the right to exterminate the other? Quoting: Njosnavelin No, it's a matter of private property and ownership law. OP who owned your property before the English got there. I say it wasn't you or your family, SO LET THE AMERICAN INDIANS HAVE IT BACK. I SAY RISE MY BROTHERS AND SISTER AND GET OP'S PROPERTY AND TAKE BACK WHAT IS TRULY OURS.. How redundant op.. Your argument is stupid. Vincent Price - “A man who limits his interests, limits his life.” |
Carshy McCarsh (OP) User ID: 17140966 United States 11/22/2012 12:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So many of the world's troubles have been bred by lack of historical education and a ridiculous entitlement mentality. example... please provide example I cite as proof this thread and the morons who reject the sum total of all of recorded human history. Tell me what this tastes like... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26985611 Sweden 11/22/2012 12:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A lot of people on GLP are very confused as to the "Palestinian" question. Here, read up - Quoting: Carshy McCarsh There is no such thing as ‘Palestine’ nor ‘Palestinian people’ Before the state was declared in 1948 the word ‘Palestinian’ was used by the British as the name for Jews who lived in the British controlled land. But the term was hi-jacked, just as the terrorists hi-jacked planes and buses in order to blow them up, in order to further their jihad against the Jewish state. There has never been a country called ‘Palestine’ and there is no such thing as a ‘Palestinian people’. The arabs who are occupying Jewish land came to Israel in order to prevent the establishment of the Jewish state. The British Mandate gave approximately 70% of the British land to the arabs who established the states Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan. The arabs who are occupying Israel belong in Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan and should be motivated, either monetarily or physically, to move away from the Jewish state. [link to mytorah.wordpress.com] [link to www.wnd.com] [link to www.factsandlogic.org] pure |
Carshy McCarsh (OP) User ID: 17140966 United States 11/22/2012 12:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What´s the purpose of this debate? clarify who has the right to exterminate the other? Quoting: Njosnavelin No, it's a matter of private property and ownership law. OP who owned your property before the English got there. I say it wasn't you or your family, SO LET THE AMERICAN INDIANS HAVE IT BACK. I SAY RISE MY BROTHERS AND SISTER AND GET OP'S PROPERTY AND TAKE BACK WHAT IS TRULY OURS.. How redundant op.. Your argument is stupid. Ug, Kimosabe. Start your own thread on how poorly you've been treated by the white devils. And have a drink on me! Tell me what this tastes like... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 801546 United States 11/22/2012 12:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, as far as Israel is concerned, they are free to return or leave to any country that will have them. Quoting: Carshy McCarsh The problem, of course, is that their Arab brethren want nothing to do with them, and won't let them come one. Why don't you take it up with them? You have a warped perception of what has been going on in the Palestinian region since 48. Paestinian "ARABS" have been forced out of their homes when many of them lived in these places for generations. And the homes they lived in were built on land stolen from Jews. They made bad decisions betting that the owners of the stolen land would never return. They lost. Sick burn. That is what this all comes down to. Those who believe the Arabs already living there deserve to continue living there. Those who believe the Zionists should rightfully take "their" land back. The problem is, the arabs never "stole" anything. The land went through MANY transitions, many "empires" "authority". It would be like the native americans, acquiring weapons of destruction, destroying the cities of the US, and taking it back. So you are saying the arabs should have "known better". By that argument, should WE be in fear of the native americans someday acquiring this land back? You are scaring me! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28282451 Canada 11/22/2012 12:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The real question is why are the zionists so obsessed with controlling this area? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26664171 wouldn't it have make much more sense that they seetled in some random state in america, whom came to their rescure in WW2, or simply go back to russia where they came from before seetlng in germany and all over europe. Why choice the middle east? What good did they actually think would come out of that, there gotta be some agenda behind that decision, other than their own thousand year old self written propheties. All the misery that have come from this, to both their own and the muslims, let alone the trail this conflict have left all over the world. it doesn't make any sense. And who are the people behind the zionist movement we always hear about on sites like this, how did they became so powerful that they pretty much control the whole western world, and how is it that noone actually know anything about them. Ask any random person at work if they know about the zionists and they will stare back with a blank look. I dunno what to think of it all. Here is a statement posted by someone else on this forum, (sorry, they gave no link): "President (Mahmoud) Ahmadinejad said the cruelty in Gaza should unite Muslims. He said he welcomes the ceasefire between Hamas and Israel, but he seems to not be very optimistic about the ceasefire," a TV anchor for the station said." Just as the 'terrorist state' is used to create an illusion of unity in the U.S. (us v.s. them) in perpetual war, all of us know it is a war in futility and is used to further (hidden) causes, i.e.)power, control and greed. Same here for the Muslim world. Keeping Gaza as a 'victim' creates the same illusion and also keeps them as pawns against a hated enemy in the Jews and also for power, control and greed. It is all political and has now created division in the world and a sympathy to their (hidden) cause. In Christianity, it is Satan's way of trying to annihilate any remnant to be here for Jesus Christ's return. In either viewpoint, both are players in a bigger scheme, both man's and God's. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17430724 United States 11/22/2012 12:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So many of the world's troubles have been bred by lack of historical education and a ridiculous entitlement mentality. example... please provide example I cite as proof this thread and the morons who reject the sum total of all of recorded human history. oh... I get it the jews got it coming to them mentality that resulted in the UN founding of Israhel in 1948 k gottcha jew entitlement is good u fail |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 801546 United States 11/22/2012 12:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How then, Carshy, are any settlers in the United States entitled to ANY land here? Sure, we have land deeds, and a "government" that says it is rightfully ours. But the Native Americans had this land , as far as we know, for at least 10 to 20,000 years before we ever stepped foot here, and probably longer , if we take their history into account and not just what we can prove. What do you have to say to that? While you are comfortable in your snug home, on Thanksgiving, with your children and wife, enjoying a big fat dinner, and the Native American people STILL suffer to this day. |
Mahala User ID: 28079653 United States 11/22/2012 12:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What´s the purpose of this debate? clarify who has the right to exterminate the other? Quoting: Njosnavelin No, it's a matter of private property and ownership law. OP who owned your property before the English got there. I say it wasn't you or your family, SO LET THE AMERICAN INDIANS HAVE IT BACK. I SAY RISE MY BROTHERS AND SISTER AND GET OP'S PROPERTY AND TAKE BACK WHAT IS TRULY OURS.. How redundant op.. Your argument is stupid. Ug, Kimosabe. Start your own thread on how poorly you've been treated by the white devils. And have a drink on me! I don't drink and don't live on the reservation and don't take fed money, but through your argument will take your land when your willing to give someone elses away... AGAIN, proof of history books you don't know "JACK"! Last Edited by Mahala on 11/22/2012 12:43 PM Vincent Price - “A man who limits his interests, limits his life.” |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 801546 United States 11/22/2012 12:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | By that argument, should WE be in fear of the native americans someday acquiring this land back? You are scaring me! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 801546 Not the Native Americans. The Anunnaki! Well if the Annunaki try to take my land, I will fight for it. Am I wrong for fighting? Would you fight? lol |
Carshy McCarsh (OP) User ID: 17140966 United States 11/22/2012 12:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP who owned your property before the English got there. I say it wasn't you or your family, SO LET THE AMERICAN INDIANS HAVE IT BACK. I SAY RISE MY BROTHERS AND SISTER AND GET OP'S PROPERTY AND TAKE BACK WHAT IS TRULY OURS.. How redundant op.. Your argument is stupid. Ug, Kimosabe. Start your own thread on how poorly you've been treated by the white devils. And have a drink on me! I don't drink and don't live on the reservation and don't take fed money, but through your argument will take your land when your willing to give someone elses... AGAIN, proof of history books you don't know "JACK"! You must have hit the wrong link. I said "start your own thread" on this subject and I'll discuss it with you. Now, back to the casino with you. Tell me what this tastes like... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26985611 Sweden 11/22/2012 12:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, you just should ask what the white khazar/caucasian people doing in arab heartland. There were never white "jews" in Palestine...until the bankers decided to create "israel" for the white khazarians. If 10 000 swedish people converts to shintoism (Japanese religion) do they have the right to move to Japan and occupy some Japanese land? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 21363812 Canada 11/22/2012 12:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Herodotus, Greek Historian (c. 484 - 425 BC) Herodotus 3.5.1 writes: ἀπὸ γὰρ Φοινίκης μέχρι οὔρων τῶν Καδύτιος πόλιος ἐστὶ Σύρων τῶν Παλαιστίνων καλεομένων the country from Phoenicia to the borders of the city Cadytis [Gaza] belongs to the people called the Palestine Syrians (Ref: Perseus for the Greek/Rawlinson translation) and Φοίνικες δὲ καὶ Σύροι οἱ ἐν τῇ Παλαιστίνῃ καὶ αὐτοὶ ὁμολογέουσι
The Phenicians and the Syrians who dwell in Palestine
 (Ref: Macauley translation) In AD 135, the Emperor Hadrian (r. 117 - 138 AD) blotted out the name “Provincia Judea” and renamed it “Provincia Syria Palaestina". Hadrian had an historical reason for naming the province Palaestina (i.e. he didn't just make it up) - refer to Herodotus writings in the 5th Century BC. Kismet |