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WORLD at WAR, OFFICIAL 2013 THREAD (Doom always only a moment away)

 
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Palestinian-Syrian group says forming units to fight for the Golan

The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC) said it was preparing for new operations after nearly 40 years of quiet on the Israel-Syria border.

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The one you mentioned:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

He's survived numerous assassination attempts already and ordered the commandos in a failed attempt on Gaddafi. And if they were as tied in with the CIA as you said, then they had to be aware of the back room deal going on. They KNEW. They had ample warning (and the resources) to get their families to safety.
 Quoting: Jazzed4Jesus


You are right about the money. The Magariefs are quite well-to-do. The rumor is that Saudi money is the source of the wealth. It's a real sore spot with Libyans.

Mohammed Magarief is a CIA asset not a CIA agent. I'm not sure how much he knew about CIA assessments of threats in Benghazi.

I know that the day after the attack he spent 14 hours straight in meetings with "Americans" and that he was shaken after the meetings.

I know that when the take back Benghazi protestors starting taking on the Islamists (6 Islamists were killed w/i days of Benghazi attack) it was Magarief who asked them to stop and that "Americans" has something to do with the request.

Bilal was one of the leaders of the Take Back Benghazi protests - just mention Mo Magarief to him & prepare for the rant. Some promises were made to the Libyan friends of Chris Stevens after the attack. Those promises weren't kept. That's all I know.

Both Asma & Bilal are on twitter of you are interested. Asma's been keeping a low profile; but Bilal is very vocal. BTW - They both tweet in English & Arabic (so easy to follow)
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


So, what you're saying is that money, prestige and who was more "useful" in the long term decided who lived and who died? They were ALL being used. IF this was all a ruse to trade Stevens in a prisoner swap,(not to mention the weapons) don't you think the gov of Libya would have at least had an inkling of it? Like you said, they AREN'T as stupid as some would think.

I respect your opinion Darby but, like the old saying goes: Put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig. And this one stunk all the way around.

Those men were Americans. We don't set em up as targets and we don't leave them behind. The fact that they were subjected to both just goes to show that true Americans weren't calling the shots.
 Quoting: Jazzed4Jesus


That's not what I'm saying...

I just brought up the fact that there are thousands of Libyan Americans who have recently returned to Libya. The Magariefs are just one family. An important family (He'll be President until June) but just one family. I simply wanted to raise the issue that a very weak Pro-American gov't had just been installed in Libya and that thousands of Libyan Americans were in-country on 9/11.

That would have affected my decision-making. Not saying Obama did the right thing BUT given the large number of Americans in lIbya that night - I personally wouldn't have bombed the sh*t out of Benghazi.

I presume that there were a number of things he could have done short of taking out a city... But the glass parking lot option was not an option (at least it wouldn't have been option for me)
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


Both us and Xi have contracts in the area and we had several off duty guys that were within less than 30 minutes of the event. State knew that and with 2 phone calls could have had probably 100 guys from both our companies on scene. Our average guy has 12 years special ops experience, many with officer grade experience. Fighter aircraft could have been scrambled to disperse the aggressors (ever had a fighter go supersonic over your head, it's downright fuckin' unnerving) until we or military boots could get on scene. If there was a concern for families of certain VIP's it could have been provided in short order. There were better options.
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Marines on alert if U.S. personnel evacuate Libya

Washington (CNN) -- Several dozen combat-ready U.S. Marines stationed in southern Spain have been put on alert to potentially move into Libya and assist in the evacuation of American personnel if the unrest grows there in the coming days, a senior military official confirms to CNN.

[link to www.cnn.com]
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Marines on alert if U.S. personnel evacuate Libya

Washington (CNN) -- Several dozen combat-ready U.S. Marines stationed in southern Spain have been put on alert to potentially move into Libya and assist in the evacuation of American personnel if the unrest grows there in the coming days, a senior military official confirms to CNN.

[link to www.cnn.com]
 Quoting: Jazzed4Jesus


Things there are at the point where our security people have security people to move them about. In speaking with some of the guys working there they say the tension is so thick you can cut it with a knife. No one trusts anyone anymore except within their own families. Still not sure which way this is all going to go. Darby may have a better idea as to when it is all going to break loose.
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Marines on alert if U.S. personnel evacuate Libya

Washington (CNN) -- Several dozen combat-ready U.S. Marines stationed in southern Spain have been put on alert to potentially move into Libya and assist in the evacuation of American personnel if the unrest grows there in the coming days, a senior military official confirms to CNN.

[link to www.cnn.com]
 Quoting: Jazzed4Jesus


Things there are at the point where our security people have security people to move them about. In speaking with some of the guys working there they say the tension is so thick you can cut it with a knife. No one trusts anyone anymore except within their own families. Still not sure which way this is all going to go. Darby may have a better idea as to when it is all going to break loose.
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It's already over...

The GNC was forced to pass the political isolation law at gunpoint. It will force all of the pro-American politicians out of power. The only ones who will be able to hold office are the Islamists. We knew that the only reason the law passed was that Islamists militias had surrounded the parliament building and key ministries.

Today we learned this -

@Bilalhb: Breaking: GNC member of NSF Alaa Megriaf live on radio stated that he and other GNC members voted for isolation law under threat

Each GNC member, as they walked into parliament, was passed a note which said - you vote against this - you die.

It was a coup w/ a vote...

The only question - will the Islamists take over Libya? or will Libya spilt into two or three countries & they'll only take over some of the parts?

That's my Libyan frustration. Presume we had to take out Gaddafi. Presume we couldn't (for some unexplained reason) protect our embassy staff because we had to support the fledgling pro-American gov't. Presume we stood by during the siege of Bani Walid for same reason (100s maybe thousands of Libyans died).

Now we are just letting Islamist thugs take over the country w/o a shot fired??? Doesn't that make all the "we couldn'ts" from the last year seem like BS?

As for current security situation -

Southern Libya is awful. Benghazi & Tobruk are relatively safe.

I know ex-pats who are still in Tripoli. My friend Huntassir is going to Tripoli next week. His family seems to think its safe.

So - it's not Somalia (yet) BUT I don't have much hope for the country anymore... I don't see how democratic forces can recover (unless they break the country apart)

OT - Why is Libyan American an oxymoron? I grew up in the DC area. I knew Czech-Americans, Chilean Americans, Cuban Americans, Iranian Americans, Lebanese Americans, Lithuanian Americans (all Americans)

If you are born in this country - you are American. If you become a naturalized US citizen - you are American. LIbyans who came to the United States in 1969 or in the 1970s had children - now adults - born & raised in America. Educated in America. Many are patriotic & homesick - but they feel they have a duty help the land of their ancestors.

They are Libyan Americans. I think they are admirable (in some cases)
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Marines on alert if U.S. personnel evacuate Libya

Washington (CNN) -- Several dozen combat-ready U.S. Marines stationed in southern Spain have been put on alert to potentially move into Libya and assist in the evacuation of American personnel if the unrest grows there in the coming days, a senior military official confirms to CNN.

[link to www.cnn.com]
 Quoting: Jazzed4Jesus


Things there are at the point where our security people have security people to move them about. In speaking with some of the guys working there they say the tension is so thick you can cut it with a knife. No one trusts anyone anymore except within their own families. Still not sure which way this is all going to go. Darby may have a better idea as to when it is all going to break loose.
 Quoting: Gerry52


Libyans families are clans & they can be really big. So - saying Libyans only trust members of their own family may mean they only trust 5k to 20k people. I don't trust that many people in this country - just saying.

But Gerry is right - the country is completely screwed. So is Egypt. Tunisia may still have hope (then again maybe not)
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OT - Why is Libyan American an oxymoron? I grew up in the DC area. I knew Czech-Americans, Chilean Americans, Cuban Americans, Iranian Americans, Lebanese Americans, Lithuanian Americans (all Americans)

If you are born in this country - you are American. If you become a naturalized US citizen - you are American. LIbyans who came to the United States in 1969 or in the 1970s had children - now adults - born & raised in America. Educated in America. Many are patriotic & homesick - but they feel they have a duty help the land of their ancestors.

They are Libyan Americans. I think they are admirable (in some cases)
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


It is an oxy moron. Are they American or are they Libyan? Do their hearts stand with the country of their birth or the country of their ancestors?

That's exactly why we have situations like Libya.

Loyalty has to be 'all in' or it just doesn't work. You'll either be for one and against the other or vice versa. Especially when it involves cultures that couldn't be farther apart if they tried. Try to mix them and it usually ends in the death of one of them.

Don't believe me, just take a look at what happened to Native Americans to see how that worked out.
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Israel prepares for the worst as tensions over Syria grow

(Israeli strikes in Syria) is a risky strategy for Israel - desperate to stop Hezbollah getting advanced weaponry but increasing tensions in an already volatile region.

Nearly seven years ago, during Israel's two month-long summer conflict with Hezbollah, I spent several weeks in northern Israel covering the war.

Whereas the larger cities and conurbations to the south were not directly affected by the fighting, here in the north shells and missiles fell on a daily basis. Nahariya, Acre and Haifa were all targeted by Hezbollah's rockets...

It is obvious as well, that not just the municipality of Haifa but the Israeli government and the higher echelons of the army are getting ready for the possibility if not the probability of another conflict in the north...

It is no secret why there is increased chatter in political, military and civic circles about the prospect another conflict now. Two attacks last week in and around the Syrian capital, Damascus, are widely believed to have been the results of Israeli airstrikes.

[link to www.bbc.co.uk]
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Marines on alert if U.S. personnel evacuate Libya

Washington (CNN) -- Several dozen combat-ready U.S. Marines stationed in southern Spain have been put on alert to potentially move into Libya and assist in the evacuation of American personnel if the unrest grows there in the coming days, a senior military official confirms to CNN.

[link to www.cnn.com]
 Quoting: Jazzed4Jesus


Things there are at the point where our security people have security people to move them about. In speaking with some of the guys working there they say the tension is so thick you can cut it with a knife. No one trusts anyone anymore except within their own families. Still not sure which way this is all going to go. Darby may have a better idea as to when it is all going to break loose.
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Sent you a DM
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How do you know so many foreigners Darby? Are you related somehow? Just wondering your background. It helps to know where someone's point of view comes from. tyia.
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Interesting, Hamas security forces effectively stopping jihadists from launching rockets into Israel

Hamas and Salafi jihadists at odds over rocket fire from Gaza into Israel

Read more: [link to www.longwarjournal.org]
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How do you know so many foreigners Darby? Are you related somehow? Just wondering your background. It helps to know where someone's point of view comes from. tyia.
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I'm an American of German/English/Dutch ancestry. My family's been here forever. I am a birthright Quaker. No blood ties to anywhere outside US.

Professionally, I'm an attorney/CPA. My first job was as an IT Consultant. Then, I went to law school on a scholarship & practiced law for several years. Then, I was a stay-at-home Mom. Now, I supervise compliance auditors. No professional ties to US foreign policy or any foreign governments.

My marriage was falling apart as the Arab Spring happened. I began following events in Libya. I made it onto Twitter just as the Gaddafi regime fell. I'm a Mom. Libyans are very respectful towards mothers. Somehow, I ended up making a several Libyan friends along w/ a few Egyptians & Tunisians.

Books/studying/learning have always been my refuge. I guess North Africa became my safe place when the world around me didn't seem very safe.

I'm on twitter as @MDarbyReid. My back-up account is @Mena_DD. Recently, I've gotten back on LinkedIn. I will be updating my professional profile shortly. It's on my To-Do list...
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Back to Libya - THIS IS HUGE

The Libyan government was forced to pass a political isolation law at gunpoint. The political isolation law will force pro-American Libyans out of the government.

A tape has surfaced of a meeting plotting to get the political isolation law passed.

Who was behind the plot?

Saami al Saadi - founder of LIFG. Escaped from Afghanistan during US invasion. Captured by US/UK in Hong Kong. Subject to rendition.

His co-conspirator - Wassim Bin Hameed - the guy in charge of Libyan Shield forces protecting the US compound in Benghazi. Chris Steven's last cable, written on the day he was killed, was about Wassim Bin Hameed.

HOLY SH*T

Here's my thread -
Thread: UPDATE - Libya Taken Over by Benghazi Attackers - Political Isolation is "Legal Coup" - Plotters Caught on Tape
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My company is involved in the Benghazi hearings. We lost one and had several operatives available and within responding distance.
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I wish I could tell what I know, it would curl your hair and really piss you off.

It will come out in time if they ask the right questions. There are a lot of very dangerous people that are livid over what happened. They also have the mental ability to lay low until they see the results of the hearings. This whole affair makes Watergate look like a simple misdemeanor. There was involvement at every level in this event. There is a massive cover up going on here and that is not a conspiracy, it is the honest truth. However since the media is head over heels over Obama they aren't asking the right questions because they don't want to know the answers nor do they want anyone else to know them. Shit this all pisses me off...
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Don't get me wrong Gerry, I know you have duties, responsabilities. I know you probably have signed a paper, concerning "secrets".

But everybody else did, too. And everybody else is in the same situation.

Lets get rid of "hearings", "investigations", anything like that.

In a world of "secrets", "signed papers" and "personal "liability"", hearings and investigations are for the TV show.

Lets just tell a story, something attracting consumers, to sell advertising and make some money.

The story ? Doesn't matter, the truth ? doesn't matter, the truth is known in some high level organisations, we do not need to know it. We are just people.
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My company is involved in the Benghazi hearings. We lost one and had several operatives available and within responding distance.
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I wish I could tell what I know, it would curl your hair and really piss you off.

It will come out in time if they ask the right questions. There are a lot of very dangerous people that are livid over what happened. They also have the mental ability to lay low until they see the results of the hearings. This whole affair makes Watergate look like a simple misdemeanor. There was involvement at every level in this event. There is a massive cover up going on here and that is not a conspiracy, it is the honest truth. However since the media is head over heels over Obama they aren't asking the right questions because they don't want to know the answers nor do they want anyone else to know them. Shit this all pisses me off...
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Don't get me wrong Gerry, I know you have duties, responsabilities. I know you probably have signed a paper, concerning "secrets".

But everybody else did, too. And everybody else is in the same situation.

Lets get rid of "hearings", "investigations", anything like that.

In a world of "secrets", "signed papers" and "personal "liability"", hearings and investigations are for the TV show.

Lets just tell a story, something attracting consumers, to sell advertising and make some money.

The story ? Doesn't matter, the truth ? doesn't matter, the truth is known in some high level organisations, we do not need to know it. We are just people.
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Depending how the story is, people "vote".

Ya know, the truth, is rare, the story counts. The best for the country is, that the truth never come out. NEVER. EVERYWHERE and NEVER.

Welcome being part of the machine.

We have to think at our country first, and then at the people. ---> Thats the truth.
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Nathan J Hunt ‏@ISNJH 1m Monday morning US Flat top Nimits CVN 68 to leave port to take part in drills with #ROK [link to english.yonhapnews.co.kr] …

expect the Norks to whine and brood about this
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North Korea Reports ‏@NKoreaReports 56s NKorea Slams 'Reckless' Arrival Of U.S. Aircraft Carrier [link to DON'T_USE-THIS] via @newspin
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North Korea Reports ‏@NKoreaReports 56s NKorea Slams 'Reckless' Arrival Of U.S. Aircraft Carrier [link to DON'T_USE-THIS] via @newspin
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They have known it was coming for a week. I swear, they have the worst propaganda writers...

'Reckless'...like the captain forgot to signal a turn when docking...
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I don't know what to make a this...

I have a DM to a Tunisian friend for context, but he's in France, so I won't hear from him tonight.

Leader of Tunisian Ansar al Sharia declares war on Tunisian authorities

[link to translate.google.com]

This guy founded Ansar al Sharia in Tunisia in 2011. It's been a political movement in the country, leading protests against Western influences

It is estimated to have up to 100k members.

Here's wiki entry on Ansar al Sharia in Tunisia

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Is this puffing?? Or is there a possibility of civil war in stable middle class Tunisia?? Its economy has been improving recently
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Sorry if this is Re-Post - Assad forces gaining ground in Syria

Forces loyal to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad are beginning to turn the tide of the country’s war, bolstered by a new strategy, the support of Iran and Russia and the assistance of fighters with Lebanon’s Hezbollah movement...

Pro-Assad analysts credit a major restructuring of government forces that has better equipped them to confront the insurgency. The ranks of the conventional Syrian army — weary, depleted and demoralized by defections, casualties and more than a year of continuous fighting — are being swelled by the deployment of some 60,000 militia irregulars trained at least in part by Hezbollah and Iranian advisers...

Hezbollah disputes assessments by Western diplomats in Beirut that several thousand of its members are fighting in Syria. Zahran says a distinction should be drawn between a Hezbollah-trained force of 2,000 Lebanese Shiites recruited from Lebanese border villages that is fighting in Homs and the other Hezbollah cadres dispatched on a smaller scale to locations elsewhere in Syria, who number in the hundreds....

“The fighters tell us that battling Hezbollah is very difficult compared to the army,” he said. “Hezbollah are more professional than the army”...

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The whole world has gone nuts. Saudis with pressure cookers in airports???; UN troops patrolling the streets in Maine; schools on lockdown because of bomb threats; mass shootings in parades; countries on the verge of cutting each others' throats....and on and on and on.

I don't know who runs this carnival, but stop the ride. I want to get off already.

Sheesh!