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Anonymous Coward User ID: 4964319 United States 01/28/2013 01:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just because you don't understand how something happened and say goddidit; just because you can't conceive of some other thing that could have caused it, doesn't mean goddidit. It's not proof of god either, it just means you don't know. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32353371 I can't conceive of any other explanation because no other explanation can fully satisfy first cause. God (whether you believe in him or not, or know who or what he is) is the only thing that can explain how we got here. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 8685274 United States 01/28/2013 01:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just because you don't understand how something happened and say goddidit; just because you can't conceive of some other thing that could have caused it, doesn't mean goddidit. It's not proof of god either, it just means you don't know. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32353371 I can't conceive of any other explanation because no other explanation can fully satisfy first cause. God (whether you believe in him or not, or know who or what he is) is the only thing that can explain how we got here. If you read my post, you would see that your counter argument has already been addressed. If it is easy for you to fathom a super-being existing outside of time and having no need for an explanation of how that being got there, why is it so hard for you to imagine a universe existing outside of time and thus not subject to the need to explain how it got there. Which is more likely: A) A super-being always existed and does not need explanation for origin B) A universe always existed and does not need explanation for origin Time is a product of the universe, existing inside it just as gravity does, but the universe itself is not subject to time. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 8685274 United States 01/28/2013 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you may call it however you want. Quoting: ll 24392356 existence, God, I AM, Spirit, Consciousness, Cosmos... etc. Now what? Well, I don't see the need to attribute the quality of intelligence to the universe, if that is what you are suggesting. It seems to be a vast chaotic mess that we find ourselves in. Worshiping the universe would be like worshiping a paper towel. |
ll User ID: 24392356 Lithuania 01/28/2013 01:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God is only a concept. Same with evolution. What do you know actually and factually NOW? Whatever you WILL KNOW or DID KNOW (reading, school, upbringing) is of no use to me, for it is limited and changing, born and dies. My concern is, why people do not want to know what is now. Not there, nor then. You must be joking, trying to conceive of timeless in time, using tools, namely concepts, to find conceptless... a big cosmic joke existence is. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11306429 United States 01/28/2013 01:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you may call it however you want. Quoting: ll 24392356 existence, God, I AM, Spirit, Consciousness, Cosmos... etc. Now what? Well, I don't see the need to attribute the quality of intelligence to the universe, if that is what you are suggesting. It seems to be a vast chaotic mess that we find ourselves in. Worshiping the universe would be like worshiping a paper towel. From a particular perspective, you could say the same thing about yourself... :universe: :cells: ------ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18401048 United States 01/28/2013 02:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you may call it however you want. Quoting: ll 24392356 existence, God, I AM, Spirit, Consciousness, Cosmos... etc. Now what? Well, I don't see the need to attribute the quality of intelligence to the universe, if that is what you are suggesting. It seems to be a vast chaotic mess that we find ourselves in. Worshiping the universe would be like worshiping a paper towel. define which God you speak of and then we can get into a debate as to whether or not you are supposed to worship anything at all. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 8685274 United States 01/28/2013 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you may call it however you want. Quoting: ll 24392356 existence, God, I AM, Spirit, Consciousness, Cosmos... etc. Now what? Well, I don't see the need to attribute the quality of intelligence to the universe, if that is what you are suggesting. It seems to be a vast chaotic mess that we find ourselves in. Worshiping the universe would be like worshiping a paper towel. define which God you speak of and then we can get into a debate as to whether or not you are supposed to worship anything at all. You didn't read my original post. You might find that we agree a lot more that you think. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 18401048 United States 01/28/2013 02:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you may call it however you want. Quoting: ll 24392356 existence, God, I AM, Spirit, Consciousness, Cosmos... etc. Now what? Well, I don't see the need to attribute the quality of intelligence to the universe, if that is what you are suggesting. It seems to be a vast chaotic mess that we find ourselves in. Worshiping the universe would be like worshiping a paper towel. define which God you speak of and then we can get into a debate as to whether or not you are supposed to worship anything at all. You didn't read my original post. You might find that we agree a lot more that you think. i did read it. |
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smokahontas User ID: 23237790 United States 01/28/2013 02:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Man invented god.... It is clear because God has low self esteem, requires your worship and adoration. Is Jealous, Wrathful and Vengeful. He is needy, demanding, and unfair. That can only come from man. "I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire "Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley |
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smokahontas User ID: 23237790 United States 01/28/2013 02:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is anyone at all able to come up with a counter argument to my original post? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8685274 Yes, evolution would be counter-argument, but you don't want to discuss it. Amen, Natural Selection, Evolution, Adaptability... They never wnat to discuss that! "I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire "Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11306429 United States 01/28/2013 02:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is anyone at all able to come up with a counter argument to my original post? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8685274 Yes, evolution would be counter-argument, but you don't want to discuss it. How does the magic word "evolution" dismiss God? What if God set it into motion? I'm being totally hypothetical just like evolution when I ask this. ------ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33200643 Germany 01/28/2013 02:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is anyone at all able to come up with a counter argument to my original post? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8685274 Yes, evolution would be counter-argument, but you don't want to discuss it. How does the magic word "evolution" dismiss God? What if God set it into motion? I'm being totally hypothetical just like evolution when I ask this. Evolution is a lie. Therefore atheists would need to acknowledge the existence of a creator of life. |
smokahontas User ID: 23237790 United States 01/28/2013 02:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is anyone at all able to come up with a counter argument to my original post? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8685274 Yes, evolution would be counter-argument, but you don't want to discuss it. How does the magic word "evolution" dismiss God? What if God set it into motion? I'm being totally hypothetical just like evolution when I ask this. ------ Read the Making of the Fittest. "I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire "Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 11306429 United States 01/28/2013 02:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is anyone at all able to come up with a counter argument to my original post? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8685274 Yes, evolution would be counter-argument, but you don't want to discuss it. How does the magic word "evolution" dismiss God? What if God set it into motion? I'm being totally hypothetical just like evolution when I ask this. ------ Read the Making of the Fittest. And I would find a summation as to why my hypothesis cannot be true in that book? ------ |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 8685274 United States 01/28/2013 02:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is anyone at all able to come up with a counter argument to my original post? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8685274 Yes, evolution would be counter-argument, but you don't want to discuss it. Could you google what a red herring is, as in logic, and show the class what you learned today? Thanks, downs syndrome troll. |