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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1139115 Canada 02/02/2013 12:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are divorced Christians condemned to hell? Quoting: Greatest I am One of God’s main rules is on divorce and his policy is ---- let no man put asunder. [link to bibleapps.com] IOW, there are no excuses for divorce and it is a sin to do it. This view is enforced by Jesus and he chastised Moses for adding terms for divorce. Divorced Christians, ---- statistics show up to 60% of all Christians, ---- are thus living in sin and I wondered if Christians thought that they were condemned because of their choice to divorce. If you are a divorced Christian, do you think God’s policy just and if not, why do you remain a condemned Christian? Regards DL no.--- were fallen--we slip, sin. Christ loves us and gave us a way out. The questions are. Do you actually follow Christ---not just the parts you think of--but do you dig--do you internalize the bible and guard against the ways of the world? or do you avoid the confrontational stuff and tell yourself that you follow Christ? --- Jesus Christ is the toughest man ever to walk the earth... He loved, with all the hate He came to save. He also, in no uncertain terms came to spell out the end for so many. and they hated Him for it. His message is not always pretty. Christians are severely challenged and tempted by the devil and the secular useful idiots of the devil. christians are supposed to be like Christ---yes i try, but really--He is God-- i am a fallible man. I can tell you, I fail the test regularly. however--i will be damned if I teach it. Matthew 18:6 "These little ones believe in me. It would be best for the person who causes one of them to lose faith to be drowned in the sea with a large stone hung around his neck. --- Now a days, many christians and INO christians--unbelievers as well, cherry pick there belief system, to justify there lifestyle. you know. don't judge. don;t eat shell fish. etc. its all taken out of context--the meaning butchered. --- where do you fall? trying to get what jesus is teaching in the bible? or studying the bible to discover how to mold it to your key world views/attributes? --- remember Jesus knows your heart--and this will be the frame of reference when your before Him on your judgement day. were you for Him? or for Him for yourself? --- |
Greatest I am (OP) User ID: 32810558 Canada 02/02/2013 01:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is indeed but in divorce cases it is not willful sin but a natural desire to find a loving mate and to force some poor unloving people to stay married is anti-love and anti-Christ. God cares about what is in the heart and not what one does with their sexual parts. Believers who think otherwise have no compassion of heart and are certainly not thinking of what Jesus would preach. Regards DL Last Edited by Greatest I am on 02/02/2013 01:51 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 33523311 United States 02/02/2013 03:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christianity was a Psy-Op created Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33459291 by Rome to help them win the Hebrew wars in the 1st and 2nd Centuries. It was designed to divide and conquer the Hebrew tribes and turn them into perfect Roman Citizens whom paid double taxes since the Church collected 10% of their wages and gave it to the Roman Emperor. Once you understand how Christianity was used as a stepping stone for Rome, then you come to terms with it being a total fabrication. it's mind programming, to turn you into a slave. nothing more, nothing less. The fable known as Jesus. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33459291 A child was born out of wedlock in Alexandria Egypt. His name was Cessarian. His father was Julius Caesar and his mother was Cleopatra. Upon Caesar's death, Cleopatra sent Cessarian to India with an armed convoy. Miriam was Cleopatras' most trusted maid servant and Yosef of Arimithia was her uncle who sold Miriam into slavery to Cleopatra. Cessarian left Egypt when he was 12 yrs old and Yosef used the spice route to get Cessarian to Tibet. On the road to Tibet, Yosef gave him a new identity to protect him from harm since Cessarian was a wanted fugitive by Emperor Octavian. His new name became Issa. translated Issa means sons of Isis, which Cleopatra considered herself the reincarnation of Isis. The Hebrew translation was Ieusus. Translated to English = Jesus. Issa arrived at the Hemis Buddhist monestary at the age of 14 in Tibet where he learned Buddhist practices of healing with herbs and prayer, walking on water, raising the dead with prayer, etc.. Issa stayed in Tibet til he was 28 yrs old then left for Alexandria Egypt to find his half sister Selene (Mary Magdelena) who was also Cleopatra's younger daughter to help him regain his rightful throne of Egypt. Issa was a Ptolemy King by birthright. Once he got to Egypt he not only found Selene his half sister but also found his half brother James (Helios) whom both assisted him to regain his throne of both Egypt and Rome. There was an active Psy-Op by Issa to dethrone Octavian (Emperor Augustus Caesar). Issa was going to use religion and Buddhist spirituality to regain his kingdom thus his ministry started. Since Issa was only half Roman, he was not accepted by the Romans and his Roman half was not accepted by Hebrews which is why he was crucified. However, Issa knew healing herbs and used them during his crucifiction. His adopted father bribed a Roman guard to give him a sleeping agent in the vinegar he recieved on the cross. This agent induced a comatose state of death but he did not die. He was placed in a tomb where his body was annointed with aloes and healing gels til he awakened from his sleeping agent. His hopes of becoming ruler of an empire was put asunder at that point since he was not accepted by either Romans or Hebrews so he made his way back to Tibet where he died at age 80 after having married and having a son by the name of Eli Kim. This birth is noted on the stone walls of the Temple of Solomon in Tibet as Issa being the father when he was 54 yrs old. Issa's burial tomb is in Srinegar India, better known as Kasmir region. Issa never claimed to be the son of God. This was added by the Romans later as a Psy-Op against the Hebrew Tribes during the Hebrew Wars. This happened many yrs later when wealthy aristocratic Roman families used Issa's story to divide and conquer the Hebrew war tribes. They wrote that Issa was the savior of the Jews so that the Jews would no longer fight Rome and be good slaves to the Roman Empire. So your Christianity was actually a Psy-Op that the Romans reversed to use to their advantage. and the truth is revealed. Cessarian = Issa = Jesus nailed it !!! |
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Greatest I am (OP) User ID: 32810558 Canada 02/02/2013 04:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You almost make me ashamed to call myself a Canadian. I hate to see a good mind wasted. Regards DL Jesus knows your heart OP I don't. we can only go by the fruit---do you plant seeds to glorify God? --- Is your God needs men to glorify him then he is not much of a God. Do you ask ants to glorify you? I live by----"Test all things" 1 Thessalonians. 5:21 You likely believe that God needs our adoration, obedience, love and many more. Do you not find it strange that he existed for untold years without these and then suddenly found himself with so many needs and wants? Take the attitude of this Canadian and do not follow blindly like some bible belt literalist fool. [link to www.youtube.com] Regards DL |
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Greatest I am (OP) User ID: 32810558 Canada 02/02/2013 09:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fable known as Jesus. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33459291 So your Christianity was actually a Psy-Op that the Romans reversed to use to their advantage. and the truth is revealed. Cessarian = Issa = Jesus Well done my friend. Could I prevail upon you to link me up or provide the source for this information? Regards DL |
Greatest I am (OP) User ID: 32810558 Canada 02/02/2013 09:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think that all Christians are condemned to hell....BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE in it! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29801624 And if they do, they should realize that it would be better to shovel coal in hell than to spend eternity in heaven watching friends, neighbors and our children in torture and flame forever. Only a sick mind would conceive of such a situation or wish it upon anyone. That is why God would not do such because then, heaven would be hell. If those in heaven did not go insane then they could not have once been human or good. What a game for your God to play! Create a place for eternal bliss as well as a place for eternal suffering or death. Then create beings whom he loves dearly and watches over. And in the end, decide which to consider "trash" and "throw away" into the place for eternal suffering or death and which to cling to and love in the place for eternal bliss. Even man, with all his faults, is greater and more moral and responsible. Regards DL |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33509091 United States 02/02/2013 10:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are divorced Christians condemned to hell? Quoting: Greatest I am One of God’s main rules is on divorce and his policy is ---- let no man put asunder. [link to bibleapps.com] IOW, there are no excuses for divorce and it is a sin to do it. This view is enforced by Jesus and he chastised Moses for adding terms for divorce. Divorced Christians, ---- statistics show up to 60% of all Christians, ---- are thus living in sin and I wondered if Christians thought that they were condemned because of their choice to divorce. If you are a divorced Christian, do you think God’s policy just and if not, why do you remain a condemned Christian? Regards DL Not true. Jesus gave one acceptable reason for divorce. Infidelity. If a wife (or the kids) is being physically or mentally abused, she should IN NO WAY, stay in such a marriage. If someone believes they ended a marriage, and it was a sin to do so: 1 JOHN 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. |
SevenThunders User ID: 15851599 United States 02/02/2013 10:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just a little perspective on this. The Pharisees were using Moses' divorce laws to toss their hags and marry young nubile trophy wives. At that time those religious leaders would be like a CEO or a celebrity and could therefore attract a young woman. Jesus condemned their practice as adultery. Now divorce is still wrong and no christian should ever seek it, except for the obvious exceptions that Jesus states, adultery , but context is very important in such a discussion. With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1139115 Canada 02/03/2013 12:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You almost make me ashamed to call myself a Canadian. I hate to see a good mind wasted. Regards DL Jesus knows your heart OP I don't. we can only go by the fruit---do you plant seeds to glorify God? --- Is your God needs men to glorify him then he is not much of a God. Do you ask ants to glorify you? I live by----"Test all things" 1 Thessalonians. 5:21 You likely believe that God needs our adoration, obedience, love and many more. Do you not find it strange that he existed for untold years without these and then suddenly found himself with so many needs and wants? Take the attitude of this Canadian and do not follow blindly like some bible belt literalist fool. [link to www.youtube.com] Regards DL who gets hurt more? the hated or the one who hates. when wronged, is it beneficial for you to forgive, or get eatin up with hate and never satisfied with the revenge ? ants glorifying humans---?--- LOL humans are glorified by their children and it is the children that benefit by that process. the same with God--we are created in Gods image and it is us that benefit from recognizing the supremacy and showing respect for our Father. time---why does that matter? would you be happy if Jesus created the universe/time a year earlier or 10 x 10 to the millionth power years later? no. I think you will still complain about it. its you who need Jesus. I suspect Jesus, although hurt by your snub, will be fine without you. please be careful. --- |
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Greatest I am (OP) User ID: 32810558 Canada 02/03/2013 03:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are divorced Christians condemned to hell? Quoting: Greatest I am One of God’s main rules is on divorce and his policy is ---- let no man put asunder. [link to bibleapps.com] IOW, there are no excuses for divorce and it is a sin to do it. This view is enforced by Jesus and he chastised Moses for adding terms for divorce. Divorced Christians, ---- statistics show up to 60% of all Christians, ---- are thus living in sin and I wondered if Christians thought that they were condemned because of their choice to divorce. If you are a divorced Christian, do you think God’s policy just and if not, why do you remain a condemned Christian? Regards DL Not true. Jesus gave one acceptable reason for divorce. Infidelity. If a wife (or the kids) is being physically or mentally abused, she should IN NO WAY, stay in such a marriage. If someone believes they ended a marriage, and it was a sin to do so: 1 JOHN 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. I do not agree because it would mean that God changed his original views and scriptures say that he does not do so. Psalm 89 ;34 My covenant I will not break, Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips. Jesus said that Moses changed the law due to the hard hearts of the Jews. God would not care about the hard hearts of men and would not be swayed to change his law. He would have had the Jews change their hard hearts. God bows to no man so do not put him on his knees to us. Regards DL |
Greatest I am (OP) User ID: 32810558 Canada 02/03/2013 03:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just a little perspective on this. The Pharisees were using Moses' divorce laws to toss their hags and marry young nubile trophy wives. At that time those religious leaders would be like a CEO or a celebrity and could therefore attract a young woman. Quoting: SevenThunders Jesus condemned their practice as adultery. Now divorce is still wrong and no christian should ever seek it, except for the obvious exceptions that Jesus states, adultery , but context is very important in such a discussion. Let me repeat this. I do not agree because it would mean that God changed his original views and scriptures say that he does not do so. Psalm 89 ;34 My covenant I will not break, Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips. Jesus said that Moses changed the law due to the hard hearts of the Jews. God would not care about the hard hearts of men and would not be swayed to change his law. He would have had the Jews change their hard hearts. God bows to no man so do not put him on his knees to us. Regards DL |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 13069945 Ireland 02/03/2013 03:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is indeed but in divorce cases it is not willful sin but a natural desire to find a loving mate and to force some poor unloving people to stay married is anti-love and anti-Christ. God cares about what is in the heart and not what one does with their sexual parts. Believers who think otherwise have no compassion of heart and are certainly not thinking of what Jesus would preach. Regards DL Yes it is willful sin and is against the holy law of God. What you purport is what is anti-Christ since it was Yeshua who spoke on this matter. It is willful sin no matter how you try and spin it. And God cares that we are obedient to his will and that we don't live sinful lives. You are committing the sin of adultery because you are still married in the eyes of God and God hates divorce. "Believers who think otherwise have no compassion of heart and are certainly not thinking of what Jesus would preach." ^^^^ Total rubbish. "And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him. And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you? And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter. And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery." —Mark 1:1-12 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 13069945 Ireland 02/03/2013 03:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ALL sins were paid for on The Cross by Jesus. ALL SINS Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28926569 His last words were "It is Finished" Really? Matthew 5:17-20 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 7:21-23 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ 1 John 2:4-6 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 1 John 3:4 |
Greatest I am (OP) User ID: 32810558 Canada 02/03/2013 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ALL sins were paid for on The Cross by Jesus. ALL SINS Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28926569 His last words were "It is Finished" Yes but just prior to that he said why have you forsaken me indicating that God was rejecting human sacrifice the way any intelligent moral God would. Jesus himself says that he cannot forgive and that only the father can ------ John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. ---- and the morality of this is shown here. Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Psalm 49:7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: Unless of course you think God can be bribed and would promote human sacrifice. Your choice. Regards DL |
Greatest I am (OP) User ID: 32810558 Canada 02/03/2013 03:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Greatest I am You almost make me ashamed to call myself a Canadian. I hate to see a good mind wasted. Regards DL Jesus knows your heart OP I don't. we can only go by the fruit---do you plant seeds to glorify God? --- Is your God needs men to glorify him then he is not much of a God. Do you ask ants to glorify you? I live by----"Test all things" 1 Thessalonians. 5:21 You likely believe that God needs our adoration, obedience, love and many more. Do you not find it strange that he existed for untold years without these and then suddenly found himself with so many needs and wants? Take the attitude of this Canadian and do not follow blindly like some bible belt literalist fool. [link to www.youtube.com] Regards DL who gets hurt more? the hated or the one who hates. when wronged, is it beneficial for you to forgive, or get eatin up with hate and never satisfied with the revenge ? ants glorifying humans---?--- LOL humans are glorified by their children and it is the children that benefit by that process. the same with God--we are created in Gods image and it is us that benefit from recognizing the supremacy and showing respect for our Father. time---why does that matter? would you be happy if Jesus created the universe/time a year earlier or 10 x 10 to the millionth power years later? no. I think you will still complain about it. its you who need Jesus. I suspect Jesus, although hurt by your snub, will be fine without you. please be careful. --- Thanks for ignoring my questions. That shows you did not like your own answers and decided to B S away from your own thoughts. Not the Canadian way but some of us are not as honest as others. Strange that a religion that says it has all the answers always run from questions. Regards DL |
Greatest I am (OP) User ID: 32810558 Canada 02/03/2013 03:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The grave as in Job:14 is more than enough to cover the sin of marrying a divorced person that was given a divorce for anything but adultery. Quoting: MHz Hell is reserved for people that take pleasure in making widows and orphans. [link to www.youtube.com] Better to shovel coal in hell than to spend eternity in heaven watching friends, neighbors and our children in torture and flame forever. Only a sick mind would conceive of such a situation or wish it upon anyone. That is why God would not do such because then, heaven would be hell. If those in heaven did not go insane then they could not have once been human or good. You should think of hell just a bit and recognize that God would not create such an immoral construct. Lose your barbaric tribal mentality. We are in 2013, not 113. [link to www.youtube.com] [link to www.youtube.com] [link to www.youtube.com] Regards DL |
OpenHeartMonk User ID: 15478437 Canada 02/04/2013 02:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are divorced Christians condemned to hell? Quoting: Greatest I am One of God’s main rules is on divorce and his policy is ---- let no man put asunder. [link to bibleapps.com] IOW, there are no excuses for divorce and it is a sin to do it. This view is enforced by Jesus and he chastised Moses for adding terms for divorce. Divorced Christians, ---- statistics show up to 60% of all Christians, ---- are thus living in sin and I wondered if Christians thought that they were condemned because of their choice to divorce. If you are a divorced Christian, do you think God’s policy just and if not, why do you remain a condemned Christian? Regards DL if one is a man he can expect a certain sort of legal hell for decades after his wife gets bored and decides to leave him. as for your god, i cannot say.. he does seem to be cranky though. Aether for the Soul [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
Greatest I am (OP) User ID: 32810558 Canada 02/04/2013 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are divorced Christians condemned to hell? Quoting: Greatest I am One of God’s main rules is on divorce and his policy is ---- let no man put asunder. [link to bibleapps.com] IOW, there are no excuses for divorce and it is a sin to do it. This view is enforced by Jesus and he chastised Moses for adding terms for divorce. Divorced Christians, ---- statistics show up to 60% of all Christians, ---- are thus living in sin and I wondered if Christians thought that they were condemned because of their choice to divorce. If you are a divorced Christian, do you think God’s policy just and if not, why do you remain a condemned Christian? Regards DL if one is a man he can expect a certain sort of legal hell for decades after his wife gets bored and decides to leave him. as for your god, i cannot say.. he does seem to be cranky though. Not my God friend. The Godhead I know is pro-love. Not anti-love. Regards DL |
DonJuan82 User ID: 76673745 United States 06/21/2023 06:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5943151 We are Pretty Much Condemned to Hell! Just accept it. Since you are already condemned ... Do what ever the hell you want to do! No problem... You are condemned ... Right? ---------------------------------- Seriously!? If you are God's Child ... Would your Father "Condemn" His kid? NO! Stop Stressing! God loves You! NO ... YOU are NOT "Condemned"!!!! Glad someone said it! God loves and forgives just as long as the heart truly desires to live in the Word of God. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80718509 06/21/2023 07:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What if your wife was a gay woman who married you to have kids and didn't tell you? Mine had a fucking rainbow flag on her car when I met her in the early 80s but I was too dumb to even know what it was. We divorced 25 years ago after me sleeping on a couch for 10 years knowing something was very wrong but never being able to figure it out because I was too stupid to see it. Now she is living with an openly gay woman in the house I bought. Do I go to hell for that? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79365454 Germany 06/21/2023 07:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What if your wife was a gay woman who married you to have kids and didn't tell you? Mine had a fucking rainbow flag on her car when I met her in the early 80s but I was too dumb to even know what it was. We divorced 25 years ago after me sleeping on a couch for 10 years knowing something was very wrong but never being able to figure it out because I was too stupid to see it. Now she is living with an openly gay woman in the house I bought. Do I go to hell for that? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80718509 sounds like your in hell already bro, well if it makes you stronger. |
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