what would you say to someone that wanted to kill themselves?

beliefs are PERSONAL. that is how the mind control works. NOBODY can tell you what you think because your references and such are imagery that you created off your life and experiences. That's why nobody is going to see the same jesus. If they DO, it's probably NOT real.Not that it is not reality. But it's a personal reference.

I know that game. Would you like to hear about my death?

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With NDE's a person may attribute the experience to the subconscious.

So instead, of senselessly arguing about whether, the experience was a product of the mind.

You look for another category of experiences, that are not NDEs or OBEs.

Which still,

1) contain veridical info

2) or may contain, a miraculous healing.

False assumption.

After my research of multiple accounts, there's a highly specific detail of Jesus, which they all stated to be the same, and which is not in the Bible, or commonly depicted in paintings.

common from what era? what region? Asians don't see the same jesus as natives or africans do. IJS.... you gotta do better than that ok

A common depiction of Jesus shows him with brown eyes. Over 90% of cases I came across, describe him with blue eyes.

Yes, veridical like the details of past life memories that children have provided and researchers have investigated and authenticated. Which you conveniently want to attribute to 'demons' while forgetting that such a ridiculous excuse would simultaneously negate all of your NDE's videos that you have posted as 'evidence'. You can't explain the numerous cases of children's past life memories so you avoid it altogether in your 'presentations' and instead focus on trying to affirm the false doctrine of 'eternal hell'. As I said earlier, you are doing yourself and others a disservice but you just aren't aware of that yet.

Take care.

so you focus on EYES... that's great. so what about the est of him?

In addition, two of these people, stated, out of countless paintings and depictions of Jesus. That only one painting looks like him.

It was a painting done by 8 year old, Akianna, who states she has visions of heaven and Jesus.

Also both people, also stated, he had blue eyes.

Another common depiction and painting, is that he has long hair.

None stated they saw him with long hair.

Also all cases, when they specifically mention the height, stated his height was around 6 feet.

Don't make a mess

so what was your Jesus experience?

I stated there's 2 possibilities.

In the other case, one person mentioned if a person doesn't fulfill their destiny, they may return to another body.

If this was so, that means, that not all children, would remember their past lives.

Which is what past life researchers are finding.

Let me state, I had personal experiences that can't be rationally be explained. I also three experiences, where I also came across veridical info.

This is why, I'm very open to the experiences of others.

I tell em kill the person giving you antidepressants or your commanding officer. Only after a few thousand of these the gubmint 'may' realize handing out drugs 9antidepressants) like candy doesn't work

so you can't even explain yours, but you are depending on the experiences of others to validate something you can't explain yourself?

Let me elaborate. The explanation can't be explained from a rational point of view, by secularists.

This does not mean, I can't explain it personally myself.

Also, if you base your own personal experiences, and make sweeping generalizations, you may prematurely form a conclusion, since you don't consider all experiences.

right you can't think in absolutes and name stuff because you COULD BE WRONG. Which is why I found it a little interesting that you co-sign Jesus so hard but don't acknowledge certain things and explain away others. I'm not trying to fight you or prove a point. I grew up with a mother and grandmother who were ministers and taught me spiritual warfare. I stopped trying to use logic to explain it a long time ago. Ego and logic can't work together. Logos is mentioned being in the beginning 3 times for a reason

Once again, your assumption is false.

I acknowledged, and deeply explored 'intent', and the many teachings around this.

I acknowledged, and addressed reincarnation memory, with 2 possible explanations.

You on the other hand, have not, acknowledged, and have not touched on what I presented.

If a person thinks in absolutes, they may prematurely make a conclusion, like yourself. Explore evidences, and then form a conclusion, but even then be open to being wrong, and still learning.

I would reason with him saying, "Maybe there's no consequences to what you're planning to do. But then again, maybe there are consequences. Maybe death by suicide is really bad for the after life. Worse than what you're going through now. You have a fifty fifty chance of being wrong, and considering the luck you're having. I wouldn't take the chance."

you never stop learning. I've met enough interesting things in my life and have been saved from death more than once. I didn't think Jesus or pray to Jesus for that to happen. So when I meet people who say that they know jesus or can prove it I tell them to ask Jesus about me and come back and tell me what he said. So far nobody has taken me up on it.

I don't assume that I know anything. That would require too much ego and programmed mind can't deal with that. I stopped trying to make sense of it. That's why I know a deception when I hear it. You're still learning as we all are, so don't take anything I say as a better than view. I'm just a person. So because of that I treat people as people. makes it very easy to see when somebody is taking a position of assumed authority. I don't assume to be an authority on anything, but I know a deceiver when I hear one .

you should pray for more guidance. You're going down a not so nice path...

You're very hypocritical. I'm presenting points, you can't counter, now your showing humility. Prior to this, you were showing arrogance and pride.

no, you are an arrogant mimic who does not know when you are exposed. You should read more about my posts on this topic rather that go off 1 interaction. You would notice just how outgunned you are...

You have not exposed me. With all these cases, I can back up with evidence.

I am open to hearing your account.

But I see this error many times with people. They have personal experiences, and then carelessly make sweeping generalizations.

And then entertain him with a song.

[link to youtu.be]

my sweeping generalization is this. I'm just a person. that is as far as I can take it. I'm not an authority on anything . Therefore you can go read my posts and such and then you can tell me what you think. I know religion, I detoxed it. I understand spirituality as it is a lifestyle. I know toxins and how to detox them. Toxins will make you an idiot if you let them. Been there, done that. Just a little concerned that you try so hard to make yourself an authority on stuff that is a belief (by definition cannot be proven). Does not make it false, but you have to wonder, why are you really trying so hard?

if you can honestly answer that question to yourself using logic and reason and real root words and definitions, then you are on a good path. Otherwise you are leaning on your own understanding. Book of Proverbs can tell you how that one turns out.

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It's good to see you aren't so arrogant, as your previous posts.

I do respect that.

There was a lot of logic and reasoning in post, hence for example, why I specifically looked for veridical information. By doing this, we can logically rule out, that the person was not creating the experience from his subconscious, based on former beliefs.

About to look over your account.

always have to test the spirit. I've had a lot test me. It's not personal with me. Even if I'm wrong or off base, I'll find out soon enough. Some things just are past our scope of communication.

peace

I see multiple threads you created, which one is it?

There doesn't appear to be indication, where you specifically mention your personal experience with Jesus, in the title.

Yes, I agree 'test the spirits'. I saw, you mention we are co-creators in a thread, you also speak of 'intent', which we hear quite often in new age beliefs.

I will state this, this is what I did with many new age teachers / channelers. Many well known ones, gave very specific prophecies for specific dates, and they all failed.

These same teachers, also spoke of co-creation, and intent.

you're right. I never named Jesus because I couldn't. I didn't think about that before I sent you hunting. My bad on that one. here's a link just from today where I touched on it

Thread: Did Native Americans have access to the Bible?