BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information

The funny thing is, you don't even how idiotic this post proves you are.

:)

and ... when they show you the bloody crime scene in all its glory then you would go on to

'well then what about _____________'

and then when that was proven to you, youd go on to

'well then what about _____________'

and then when that was proven to you, youd go on to

'well then what about _____________'

and so on and so on


all law enforcement investigations are a matter of public record once the case is closed. Youll be able to see the crime scene photos at some point. And then youll probably say they were faked, right?



Some things in this world are conspiracies and there are crimes that go hidden and unpunished. Most events, massacres, big news events however are not. Youve got to find out what is and what is not. That process done rationally DOES NOT start with taking a view that everything is a lie and must be proven otherwise. The rational approach starts from a neutral view. Some of you take the 'everything big is a lie' approach and it screws your world up. Then again there are those who dont truly believe what theyre typing, and type lies on purpose - ie. the disinfo agents.

Actually, I thought it was pretty clear evidence of either your idiocy, or your role as a shill.

The central question raised in this thread is who assessed all 26 victims to be beyond recussitation. Also, how long did that process take?

Here's a New York Times article that features interviews with the first five officers in the building:
[link to www.nytimes.com]

Excerpt:

"They entered the front lobby and saw the first bodies, those of Dawn Hochsprung, the principal, they would later learn, and Mary Sherlach, the school psychologist.

“You saw them lifeless, laying down,” Officer Penna recalled. “For a split second, your mind says could this be a mock crime scene, could this be fake, but in the next split second, you’re saying, there is no way. This is real.” "

Okay, they saw them lifeless and laying down. Did they immediately check their condition? How long before it was determined they were dead? it doesn't say anything about evisceration, incineration, or decapitation.

Later in the same article:

"Officer Penna, who was the first officer to enter the second room, found a girl standing alone amid the bodies. She appeared to be in shock, and was covered in blood, but had not been injured. He, not knowing the gunman had been found, told her to stay put."

"He ran into the next classroom and saw the dead gunman, with Officers Chapman and Smith standing nearby. State troopers and other officers were now flooding in. Officer Penna returned to the second classroom, his rifle slung around his chest, grabbed the uninjured girl by the arm and ran with her out to a triage area set up in the parking lot."

So he runs in and finds the dead gunman and the officers "standing nearby." STANDING NEARBY! Not like there's a lot going on, eh fellas? I assume you already checked all six dead kids plus two adults in Soto's room and pronounced them all dead. And don't forget about all the victims next door in Rousseau's room. Wow you guys are fast.

There are so many holes in this story it ain't even funny.

later on that uninjured girl was pronounced dead

I think you're thinking of a different girl, also mentioned in the NYT piece.

Excerpt:

"The officers searched the room for any other gunmen, then began searching for signs of life among the children. One little girl had a pulse and was breathing. Officer Chapman cradled her in his arms and ran with her outside, to an ambulance. Officer Chapman, a parent himself, tried to comfort her. “You’re safe now; your parents love you,” he recalled saying. She did not survive."

The blood covered, uninjured girl brought out to the triage by Officer Penna; she might be the same one talked about by the Reverend ('I'm okay, mommy, but my friends are dead)

Interesting!! I hadn't really followed Dunblane, being here in the 'states. Sounds like that's a total hoax too, if they can't find any particular known people who died in the Dunblane incident.

sorry, it's me, sometime i look "brutal", but only because i speak english like a cow.

so, yes.. all i wanted to say is: sometime to take a "contested" analogy could be counterproductive.
(look what happens when people take 9/11 in example to talk about Sandy Hook)

but my point was that it isn't contested!!...did you not read exactly what I said. The shooting incident was not contested....but the police allowing the guy who did the shooting to keep his gun license was questioned.

Please don't start trying to turn every shooting incident in to a conspiracy...it's just too much...it just becomes an alternative insanity!..I understand that my comparison does not fit in with what you all want to see/...but you can't dismiss it by saying it also was a hoax...it's just not so!

lol there were not 26 dead at all..

Or would they kill their own family members?

Here the Sandy hook hoax posterchild V.Soto all in one picture with illuminati Greenberg Family:

[link to img685.imageshack.us]

and the superintendend for Newtown schools:

[link to img15.imageshack.us]


Greenberg Illuminati Zionist Actor family

Shills are worked up over this issue of pronouncement of death of the 26 victims and the apparent lack of recussitation.

Who pronounced 26 victims dead? How long did that take? Was there any attempt at recussitation with any of the 26?

two kids looked enough alive to be send to hospital. (but die)

and the "playing dead" girl covered in blood from head to toe... -> not send to hospital.

Law enforcement confirmed in a press briefing that 18 children died at the scene, 2 children were pronounced dead at the hospital, and 6 adults were pronounced dead at the scene. They confirmed that 1 person was injured and survived. Lieutenant Paul Vance said that first responders received crisis counseling due to the gruesome nature of the crime scene.

[link to www.thejanedough.com]

Shills are worked up over this issue of pronouncement of death of the 26 victims and the apparent lack of recussitation.

Who pronounced 26 victims dead? How long did that take? Was there any attempt at recussitation with any of the 26?

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From:
[link to www.sponsorhospital.org]
NHSHP Crime Scene Guidelines

...
III. Entry to the crime scene should be made with the minimum number of personnel necessary to access and provide care to the patient(s).
...

we know this, but

no..no.. you are right.
but i prefer to look at event with "quite" not contested, slightly contested, moderately contested, to highly contested. And not in binary mode: contested or not.

Maybe Dunblane is "slightly contested"
Columbine is "not" contested.
and Port Arthur massacre "moderately" contested.

but maybe i am totally wrong because i didnt studied well all those events.

i am sorry if you took badly what i've said, because your posts look wise, interesting and balanced.

I've been stating this all along in other threads- I'm an EMT of 15 years- I have been on many calls both trauma and medical (as well as a few MCI's- including 9/11)- That video is correct- What bothers me the most is the "lack or chaos" at the scene- I have been to scenes (no where near with this many "victims")- that were so chaotic-you did not know which way was up-

Common in EMS- I would describe is as "Controlled chaos"- I would have expected ambulances from all over to be called into the scene to try every method of life saving- and also- where were the Medivacs (at least put on standby?)
Standard procedure in most states is (as soon as you hear the call)- you request helicopters for rapid transport. 20+ victims means you should have at LEAST 25-30 ambulances en route (from anywhere and everywhere)- This to me stands out as the biggest issue I have. I have been to CPR codes involving 90 year olds (one patient) with more chaos then this.........

So what would you do, or be expected to do, in a situation like this? What's the protocol that you've been taught for a mass shooting scenario?

You dont have to guess the protocol:

The protocol for CT is posted a few posts above.

and in addition, the posted you are asking for more info has already been proven wrong.

The central question raised in this thread is who assessed all 26 victims to be beyond recussitation. Also, how long did that process take?

Here's a New York Times article that features interviews with the first five officers in the building:
[link to www.nytimes.com]

Excerpt:

"They entered the front lobby and saw the first bodies, those of Dawn Hochsprung, the principal, they would later learn, and Mary Sherlach, the school psychologist.

“You saw them lifeless, laying down,” Officer Penna recalled. “For a split second, your mind says could this be a mock crime scene, could this be fake, but in the next split second, you’re saying, there is no way. This is real.” "

Okay, they saw them lifeless and laying down. Did they immediately check their condition? How long before it was determined they were dead? it doesn't say anything about evisceration, incineration, or decapitation.

Later in the same article:

"Officer Penna, who was the first officer to enter the second room, found a girl standing alone amid the bodies. She appeared to be in shock, and was covered in blood, but had not been injured. He, not knowing the gunman had been found, told her to stay put."

"He ran into the next classroom and saw the dead gunman, with Officers Chapman and Smith standing nearby. State troopers and other officers were now flooding in. Officer Penna returned to the second classroom, his rifle slung around his chest, grabbed the uninjured girl by the arm and ran with her out to a triage area set up in the parking lot."

So he runs in and finds the dead gunman and the officers "standing nearby." STANDING NEARBY! Not like there's a lot going on, eh fellas? I assume you already checked all six dead kids plus two adults in Soto's room and pronounced them all dead. And don't forget about all the victims next door in Rousseau's room. Wow you guys are fast.

There are so many holes in this story it ain't even funny.

IF there were victims then every first responder was criminally negligent.

'but but but EMS didnt do what tehy should be doing in a mass shooting!!'


...


From:
[link to www.sponsorhospital.org]
NHSHP Crime Scene Guidelines

...
III. Entry to the crime scene should be made with the minimum number of personnel necessary to access and provide care to the patient(s).
• Do not send in multiple BLS first responders, ALS first responders and ambulance crew if it is likely to be a presumption of death


...

XI. Patients who meet the “obvious death” criteria do not require EKG confirmation
of asystole, or any manipulation of the body. These include:
• Total separation of vital organs from body or total destruction of these
organs accompanied by no detectable pulse or respirations. Note: A single
person can rapidly assess for pulse and respirations.
• Any other injury not compatible with life in a pulseless apneic patient

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XIII. It is important to realize that law enforcement personnel have the authority to
presume death. If death has been presumed by a law enforcement officer, medical
confirmation procedures do not need to be performed by pre-hospital providers[this mean EMS crews]
unless requested.





NEXT !

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oh looky its another who is continuing to post known false information in thread even after being shown it is plainly false...
ask yourselves 'why is that?'







The facts ----->

two kids looked enough alive to be send to hospital. (but die)

and the "playing dead" girl covered in blood from head to toe... -> not send to hospital.

Law enforcement confirmed in a press briefing that 18 children died at the scene, 2 children were pronounced dead at the hospital, and 6 adults were pronounced dead at the scene. They confirmed that 1 person was injured and survived. Lieutenant Paul Vance said that first responders received crisis counseling due to the gruesome nature of the crime scene.

[link to www.thejanedough.com]

All 26 should have gone to the hospital. No one could declare them dead on the scene. Protocol and process require treatment for victims with no breathing and no pulse.