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Anonymous Coward User ID: 26302253 United Kingdom 03/28/2013 06:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: PORTUGAL Government prepares second bailout!!! Government ponders paying holiday bonuses with titles treasure!!! Alright, so what are we talking about? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15022013 How many billions do they need? Doesn't matter it will never be enough...as long as they continue to dole out more than they take in it's a continuous ongoing failure...sorta like Russ and his fucked up calendar. The problem is that the world's fractional reserve system always needs more currency to support the leverage (currency) that the expansion created before. The other main problem is that, it takes money from the working productive society and forces the people that operate this system (banks) to keep shoring up this leverage (leverage is their, the banks worth or value) without creating hyperinflation. How are they able to do that? The way they do this is that there is two ways to create money. One is productive and expansive that benefits and creates new wealth and a productive society (Fractional lending). The other is non-productive and contracts/shrinks the economy(direct printing of currencies). If the money was just printed up and dropped from helicopters on pallets it would work, for a while but, it would sacrifice the leveraged wealth, because money that is just printed and that bypasses the fraction lending scheme cannot be specifically steered or directed to the balance sheets of the financial institutions, to create the illusion of solvency. I am not getting out the Pom Pom's for fractional lending system but, if it was allowed to work we would not be in this situation. There is too much debt and the world's financial institutions must take a "Haircut" to even make a dent in returning us to some type of productive economy. Problem is that a haircut of "just one" financial institution will effect 50 other financial institutions balance sheets (because the leverage was fractionalized) removing the illusion of solvency. You sort of have it right there: The productive layer is the accumulation of labour surplus. In other words, its the energy that workers expend that adds value which the system then monetises. The fractionalising of that value (as well as securitising it in equity) magnifies this layer. That initial layer has been largely transferred, by Western capitalists to Asia where billions now provide that capacity. The second layer still resides in the West. In other words, the elite have the capacity to minimise EU government and drive the workers into destitution (whilst ensuring that their status as consumers is preserved.) But we're not monitising labour, we're monetising debt, which is where the vicious circle kicks in - we have to monetise more debt to service the existing debt. It's never bloody ending... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36545374 United Kingdom 03/28/2013 06:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: PORTUGAL Government prepares second bailout!!! Government ponders paying holiday bonuses with titles treasure!!! This is not about bailing out some of our friends. I would happily have some of my tax money send to Greece, Portugal, Italy or Spain to make sure some Granny gets her deserved pension on time if the country in question is in trouble. But all we are doing is bailing out banks that got into trouble because Lehman Brothers crashed in 2008. We are bailing out the big investors. The rule of “High return = High risk” doesn’t count no more. If you gable and go bust, some taxpayers will foot the bill. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 15876003 Australia 03/28/2013 06:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: PORTUGAL Government prepares second bailout!!! Government ponders paying holiday bonuses with titles treasure!!! stupid brainwashed fucks who believe this system bailout? how can they use the word look up the definition how is going deeper into a system of mass deceit, exploitation, deprivation and degradation a bailout? FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Marxist User ID: 8296504 New Zealand 03/28/2013 06:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: PORTUGAL Government prepares second bailout!!! Government ponders paying holiday bonuses with titles treasure!!! ... Quoting: BRIEF Doesn't matter it will never be enough...as long as they continue to dole out more than they take in it's a continuous ongoing failure...sorta like Russ and his fucked up calendar. The problem is that the world's fractional reserve system always needs more currency to support the leverage (currency) that the expansion created before. The other main problem is that, it takes money from the working productive society and forces the people that operate this system (banks) to keep shoring up this leverage (leverage is their, the banks worth or value) without creating hyperinflation. How are they able to do that? The way they do this is that there is two ways to create money. One is productive and expansive that benefits and creates new wealth and a productive society (Fractional lending). The other is non-productive and contracts/shrinks the economy(direct printing of currencies). If the money was just printed up and dropped from helicopters on pallets it would work, for a while but, it would sacrifice the leveraged wealth, because money that is just printed and that bypasses the fraction lending scheme cannot be specifically steered or directed to the balance sheets of the financial institutions, to create the illusion of solvency. I am not getting out the Pom Pom's for fractional lending system but, if it was allowed to work we would not be in this situation. There is too much debt and the world's financial institutions must take a "Haircut" to even make a dent in returning us to some type of productive economy. Problem is that a haircut of "just one" financial institution will effect 50 other financial institutions balance sheets (because the leverage was fractionalized) removing the illusion of solvency. You sort of have it right there: The productive layer is the accumulation of labour surplus. In other words, its the energy that workers expend that adds value which the system then monetises. The fractionalising of that value (as well as securitising it in equity) magnifies this layer. That initial layer has been largely transferred, by Western capitalists to Asia where billions now provide that capacity. The second layer still resides in the West. In other words, the elite have the capacity to minimise EU government and drive the workers into destitution (whilst ensuring that their status as consumers is preserved.) But we're not monitising labour, we're monetising debt, which is where the vicious circle kicks in - we have to monetise more debt to service the existing debt. It's never bloody ending... Without labour, there can be no money. Instead, you would have raging inflation. Its Chinese slave labour that is in fact keeping a lid on the inflationary effects of the current printing. The debt is merely the secondary layer..it shares that layer with fractionalising and securitising and is the elephant in the room along with the securitising which threatens to overwhelm the slave labour surplus value and trigger inflation of a magnitude we have never seen. This will come in due course once the printing eclipses labour value capacity. But there is still capacity in that labour value and the can kicking will go on for a bit. Workers of the World, Unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36836032 Norway 03/28/2013 06:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: PORTUGAL Government prepares second bailout!!! Government ponders paying holiday bonuses with titles treasure!!! Well Norway has 15% budget SURPLUS. Unlike other European countries... Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 36232885 Let's get 'em! We have a limited economy.. but we had 50 trillion dollars just for one year and had to keep some back... so think yourself about.............. if we do not save you with faith we will destroy you. Do not try to fool us... whatever degree your world is at. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36836032 Norway 03/28/2013 06:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: PORTUGAL Government prepares second bailout!!! Government ponders paying holiday bonuses with titles treasure!!! stupid brainwashed fucks who believe this system Quoting: Xeno00000 bailout? how can they use the word look up the definition how is going deeper into a system of mass deceit, exploitation, deprivation and degradation a bailout? FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D i liek that flying sauser eagler. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37020970 United States 03/28/2013 06:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: PORTUGAL Government prepares second bailout!!! Government ponders paying holiday bonuses with titles treasure!!! Alright, so what are we talking about? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15022013 How many billions do they need? You Dutchies and Krauts should be happy to give Euros to your fellow Europeans! I'm shocked! Shocked! There are people STARVING to death in Portugal, Spain, Italy!!! They need your Euros now!!!!! Hurry!!!!!! *sarcasm off* |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 26302253 United Kingdom 03/28/2013 06:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: PORTUGAL Government prepares second bailout!!! Government ponders paying holiday bonuses with titles treasure!!! This is not about bailing out some of our friends. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36545374 I would happily have some of my tax money send to Greece, Portugal, Italy or Spain to make sure some Granny gets her deserved pension on time if the country in question is in trouble. But all we are doing is bailing out banks that got into trouble because Lehman Brothers crashed in 2008. We are bailing out the big investors. The rule of “High return = High risk” doesn’t count no more. If you gable and go bust, some taxpayers will foot the bill. Absolutely bang on. We're stuffing these banks with liquidity and what are they doing with it? Lending to stimulate the economy? No, they're paying themselves more and more, gambling it on stupid trades and generally pissing up against a wall. And we're legally obligated to pay higher taxes and in return get fewer services, whilst wages remain stagnant and the money supply gets debased causing greater inflation and making it harder to live, all to support these criminal fucking parasites whilst they laugh at us? It's long past time for a fucking revolution. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36836032 Norway 03/28/2013 06:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: PORTUGAL Government prepares second bailout!!! Government ponders paying holiday bonuses with titles treasure!!! Alright, so what are we talking about? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15022013 How many billions do they need? You Dutchies and Krauts should be happy to give Euros to your fellow Europeans! I'm shocked! Shocked! There are people STARVING to death in Portugal, Spain, Italy!!! They need your Euros now!!!!! Hurry!!!!!! *sarcasm off* OH SHUT UP. We had to learn the lessons of these worlds while they migrated... We know the mind of the Muslim. Do you?????? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 36836032 Norway 03/28/2013 06:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: PORTUGAL Government prepares second bailout!!! Government ponders paying holiday bonuses with titles treasure!!! Alright, so what are we talking about? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15022013 How many billions do they need? You Dutchies and Krauts should be happy to give Euros to your fellow Europeans! I'm shocked! Shocked! There are people STARVING to death in Portugal, Spain, Italy!!! They need your Euros now!!!!! Hurry!!!!!! *sarcasm off* OH SHUT UP. We had to learn the lessons of these worlds while they migrated... We know the mind of the Muslim. Do you?????? Anyways... i cannot tell the Difference from Spain than other country in the middle east... lesser than the Jews. |
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Marxist User ID: 8296504 New Zealand 03/28/2013 07:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: PORTUGAL Government prepares second bailout!!! Government ponders paying holiday bonuses with titles treasure!!! This is not about bailing out some of our friends. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36545374 I would happily have some of my tax money send to Greece, Portugal, Italy or Spain to make sure some Granny gets her deserved pension on time if the country in question is in trouble. But all we are doing is bailing out banks that got into trouble because Lehman Brothers crashed in 2008. We are bailing out the big investors. The rule of “High return = High risk” doesn’t count no more. If you gable and go bust, some taxpayers will foot the bill. Absolutely bang on. We're stuffing these banks with liquidity and what are they doing with it? Lending to stimulate the economy? No, they're paying themselves more and more, gambling it on stupid trades and generally pissing up against a wall. And we're legally obligated to pay higher taxes and in return get fewer services, whilst wages remain stagnant and the money supply gets debased causing greater inflation and making it harder to live, all to support these criminal fucking parasites whilst they laugh at us? It's long past time for a fucking revolution. You got it. Thatcher really stitched up the world...her and that drongo, Reagan. Pushed for fewer rules on business including banks. Old bitch is still alive to see her handiwork. Workers of the World, Unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26302253 United Kingdom 03/28/2013 07:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: PORTUGAL Government prepares second bailout!!! Government ponders paying holiday bonuses with titles treasure!!! ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36969694 The problem is that the world's fractional reserve system always needs more currency to support the leverage (currency) that the expansion created before. The other main problem is that, it takes money from the working productive society and forces the people that operate this system (banks) to keep shoring up this leverage (leverage is their, the banks worth or value) without creating hyperinflation. How are they able to do that? The way they do this is that there is two ways to create money. One is productive and expansive that benefits and creates new wealth and a productive society (Fractional lending). The other is non-productive and contracts/shrinks the economy(direct printing of currencies). If the money was just printed up and dropped from helicopters on pallets it would work, for a while but, it would sacrifice the leveraged wealth, because money that is just printed and that bypasses the fraction lending scheme cannot be specifically steered or directed to the balance sheets of the financial institutions, to create the illusion of solvency. I am not getting out the Pom Pom's for fractional lending system but, if it was allowed to work we would not be in this situation. There is too much debt and the world's financial institutions must take a "Haircut" to even make a dent in returning us to some type of productive economy. Problem is that a haircut of "just one" financial institution will effect 50 other financial institutions balance sheets (because the leverage was fractionalized) removing the illusion of solvency. You sort of have it right there: The productive layer is the accumulation of labour surplus. In other words, its the energy that workers expend that adds value which the system then monetises. The fractionalising of that value (as well as securitising it in equity) magnifies this layer. That initial layer has been largely transferred, by Western capitalists to Asia where billions now provide that capacity. The second layer still resides in the West. In other words, the elite have the capacity to minimise EU government and drive the workers into destitution (whilst ensuring that their status as consumers is preserved.) But we're not monitising labour, we're monetising debt, which is where the vicious circle kicks in - we have to monetise more debt to service the existing debt. It's never bloody ending... Without labour, there can be no money. Instead, you would have raging inflation. Its Chinese slave labour that is in fact keeping a lid on the inflationary effects of the current printing. The debt is merely the secondary layer..it shares that layer with fractionalising and securitising and is the elephant in the room along with the securitising which threatens to overwhelm the slave labour surplus value and trigger inflation of a magnitude we have never seen. This will come in due course once the printing eclipses labour value capacity. But there is still capacity in that labour value and the can kicking will go on for a bit. Labour value is a fraction compared to the debt being monetised, we're all running deficits... Debasement of currency is already causing huge inflation especially when alligned with stagnant wages. The inflation is not always obvious, but it's there. That's why we've all been eating surprise horse meat recently - squeezed margins due to rising costs = stealth inflation - more ethanol in your fuel, smaller chocolate bars, smaller meals at restaurants, cheaper materials in clothing. Only a matter of time. If the derivative time bomb goes off, there will be no can kicking because it'll blow our legs off with it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36969694 United States 03/28/2013 07:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: PORTUGAL Government prepares second bailout!!! Government ponders paying holiday bonuses with titles treasure!!! ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36969694 The problem is that the world's fractional reserve system always needs more currency to support the leverage (currency) that the expansion created before. The other main problem is that, it takes money from the working productive society and forces the people that operate this system (banks) to keep shoring up this leverage (leverage is their, the banks worth or value) without creating hyperinflation. How are they able to do that? The way they do this is that there is two ways to create money. One is productive and expansive that benefits and creates new wealth and a productive society (Fractional lending). The other is non-productive and contracts/shrinks the economy(direct printing of currencies). If the money was just printed up and dropped from helicopters on pallets it would work, for a while but, it would sacrifice the leveraged wealth, because money that is just printed and that bypasses the fraction lending scheme cannot be specifically steered or directed to the balance sheets of the financial institutions, to create the illusion of solvency. I am not getting out the Pom Pom's for fractional lending system but, if it was allowed to work we would not be in this situation. There is too much debt and the world's financial institutions must take a "Haircut" to even make a dent in returning us to some type of productive economy. Problem is that a haircut of "just one" financial institution will effect 50 other financial institutions balance sheets (because the leverage was fractionalized) removing the illusion of solvency. You sort of have it right there: The productive layer is the accumulation of labour surplus. In other words, its the energy that workers expend that adds value which the system then monetises. The fractionalising of that value (as well as securitising it in equity) magnifies this layer. That initial layer has been largely transferred, by Western capitalists to Asia where billions now provide that capacity. The second layer still resides in the West. In other words, the elite have the capacity to minimise EU government and drive the workers into destitution (whilst ensuring that their status as consumers is preserved.) But we're not monitising labour, we're monetising debt, which is where the vicious circle kicks in - we have to monetise more debt to service the existing debt. It's never bloody ending... Without labour, there can be no money. Instead, you would have raging inflation. Its Chinese slave labour that is in fact keeping a lid on the inflationary effects of the current printing. The debt is merely the secondary layer..it shares that layer with fractionalising and securitising and is the elephant in the room along with the securitising which threatens to overwhelm the slave labour surplus value and trigger inflation of a magnitude we have never seen. This will come in due course once the printing eclipses labour value capacity. But there is still capacity in that labour value and the can kicking will go on for a bit. You say the debt is the second layer. The EU banks are levered 26 to 1 on balance sheet. If there was just two layers (the initial debt and the 1 CDS bet against it, it would be a balanced layering) The issue is the other 24 layers that have been added to it bannot be written off or repudiated without printing 23 more leverages. |
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