PORTUGAL Government prepares second bailout!!! Government ponders paying holiday bonuses with titles treasure!!!

Socialised spending was a function of the Cold War. We will progressively move to minimal gobvernment as no capitalist likes to lose a dollar. This Rand woman was simply stating the obvious. She got a following as she helped articulate the frustrations of commerce at a time when unions risked unseating such institutions as the Feds. In other words, your suffering today is attributable to this woman...but of course, you persist in thinking that problems which are the result of deregulation like bank excesses, are the fault of socialists.

But you will learn.

WOW i just discover i'm a Galf!!!

Then why complain. Resign yourself to corrupt bankers and get on with life. No point squealing as its all human nature to rob and thieve.

Marx was not an economist. He was a social economist. He looked at the culture and said, if you place people in this culture, they are bound to do such and such. For example, outsource, or rort the markets or try to monopolise etc, etc. Workers will get shafted as its their labour that makes them valuable. When that gets too costly, they get the boot. Some will be bootlickers, sort of like capitalist groupies, hanging around for the crumbs.

Other cultures will see capitalism as symbolising civilisation so they will copy it...China, India, Japan. It will spread and become a global culture. Nothing is sacred, even the family will fall apart. People will become aliented with themselves, their families, their work colleagues and their societies. Common sense stuff. Of course, people now say stupid thinhgs like Marx was a capitalist. Thats cos they are confused.

Heres a link to dialecticism, hegelian and marxist:

[link to www.marxists.org]

As will you, it's not the pendulum of big/little government of which I speak, it's the point we are at in the greater cycle of economics/debt/population/energy/food production...

There will be wholesale changes soon, little revisions will no longer suffice on the downsides of these cycles. The only questions will be, who will be making these wholesale changes when the time comes...

Capitalism/Socialism/Marxism/Communism...they're all just descriptions of humanity. What it really boils down to is, are you a producer of usable goods or ingenuity, or are you a non-producer...

Non-producers will not survive the downsides of these cycles...

He says its human nature then calls them bastards. One very confused fullah here, as we say in Noo Zeeland.

Well there are systems of commerce that address "human nature" in all it's realities...we're just too human to leave them the fuck alone...

Not confused...realistic. The only way to realistically shrink government intrusion and corruption, is to shrink government. And the only way to shrink government is to starve the beast...

Lol, Galt keeps popping up all over these days, no surprise really.Be careful with Rand though, shes a capatalist Zionist poster child.

Yeah mate. get rid of the rules and let human nature free. Hahaha. I actually hope this happens cos nongs like you need a sharp lesson.

Published December 2010
Sovereign Debt HOAX: THE BIG LIE v the simple TRUTH: PORTUGAL or GREECE are TODAY richer than GERMANY

The "sovereign debt" HOAX
The illuminati (1) in overtime must resort to robbing Greek and Portuguese (as at this time in a smaller scale Italian, Spanish, Irish & Co) assets while they have the illuminati agents "ruling" those "countries" call it "sovereign debt".

Germany v Portugal
Germany has no oil. It once had coal, now it has sinkholes.
The climate does not allow for anything to grow, even in heated greenhouses, four months a year.
Germany maritime zone is 54,000 km2, emptied of fish and so polluted that the general surgeon warns against eating german fish more than once a week.
The portuguese maritime zone is 994,000 km2.
Portugal has the mildest climate of Europe. For a start, 3 out of 5 households in Portugal need neither heating nor air conditioned.
The largest winter area in the EU for producing vegetables is no more the 200 km2 plastic greenhouses of Almeria, Spain, a semiarid area where the ground water is coming to man end, but Odemira in Portugal.
Since 2011 Portugal is the top producer of renewable energies in the EU.

Germany v Greece
Let's start by this: Greece has 32,000 km coast, prime oceanfront real estate.
Germany has a few hundred kilometers rapidly eroding coast (Sylt & Co), a coast with a climate without summer (July mean temperature below 20 C).

Germany - the dying industry
As for industry, let us first remember LAST PROPHET's words from 2009: "Germany produces essentially what was first affected by systemic crash, that took already place in 2007, as oil peaked at $150". (2)

Most of the previously mentioned facts are easily verifiable, a few although more difficult are also verifiable.
Yet in the mass media, totally controlled by the illuminati, you did not hear anything about it, like you did not hear anything about any of 911 5 basic facts. (3)


Notes
(1) who are the illuminati blogspot
[link to www.google.com] [link to who-are-the-illuminati.blogspot.com]

Well I think it is this hybridized system of capitalism/communism/fascism that were using...I call it "Beastism"...

However I'm speaking more in political terms of socialism and it's role in government. The producers will only support the non-producer for so long...

Because you can never maintain a proper balance in the socialist system, eventually there are too damn many non-producers, and the producers revolt against the system.

I'm seriously considering going Galt myself...

I mean right now I pay an average over the last ten years of six figures per year in taxes. Local, state, and federal...if I just stopped producing and lived off of my accumulated wealth, if I only bought what I absolutely needed...well if thousands of upper middle class and high production small business people did this, it would begin to make a dent.

Alinsky thought the revolution would come from the non-producer class, but they are totally dependent and will never bite the hand that feeds them...

No, the revolution is going to come from the producers, because so many of us are tired of footing the bill...

I'm no Rand worshiper...not by any stretch, but I do think she was on to something in Atlas Shrugs, even if it's not entirely correct.

Saul Alinsky thought that the overload of the system would come from the non-producer class, then when the Socialist handouts were stopped because of corruption and bankruptcy, the non-producer class would revolt against the system out of sheer starvation.

Rand thought the producer class would eventually overload the system by stopping production, that they inevitably would be the ones who controlled the outcome of the overload because they were the ones with the power of production and idea's needed to make the beast system operate...

I think they are both right in a sense because both sides are causing the collapse to materialize at this point, it's the unstoppable force meeting the immovable object. But realistically, the producer class will always make the rules, the system simply cannot function without them. Non-producers will find they are extremely expendable in this conflict of ideals. And when the cycles turn downward these "useful idiots" will simply die off.

There is no other possible outcome in the larger sense. The only question remains what sort of economic system will be in place, and what governmental systems will dominate...

Luisport is right, the tragedy of India and China is their use of slave labor of all ages, and no other countries are willing to go that far to compete w/them.

more bailouts? I don't think so.

if you can't survive in the Euro zone without ongoing currency depreciation then you guys should leave the economy block thus the Euro. its that simple. but I believe Portugal gonna make it.

however, it wouldn't be the end of Europe nor the Euro.

yes we will!!!