Death With Dignity and why TPTB Promote Religion and Discourage Suicide

I only eat animals that are still suckling, seeing as they are not "viable beings".

No,lest you be confused God spelled out which animals to eat and which not to eat so murder applies only to humans. What you seem to miss is the real victim in this. Some poor soul agrees to be a murderer when you can wrap wire around yourself and plug it in. Keep your suicide a solo trip. What do you think all those GIs are suiciding for? People who had no idea what would happen to them when their heart saw through their eyes. To take a life is a terrible thing.

Ask a psychologist.

Quite a few suicides, saw and experienced hell in their near death experience.


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Perhaps it's already been said on here, but: suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
I appreciate your viewpoint, really. And believe further: what if we just failed/refused to reproduce for our 'masters"? Can there be any stronger urge than to re-PRODUCE for TPTB? Perhaps the core of homophobia?
But I'd like to think that if we're shooting ourselves we're shooting too high. Why must we feel ourselves to be always the hero/heroine? Why can't we just live our lives, and if a revolution is in the cards, must we start with our own deaths? Life sucks. Religion sucks. I have no answers. Can't even say: it gets better! But it just might. Please care for yourself.

Congrats, your children were born as viable human beings capable of living an independent life and do not have the severest type of problems that I was talking about. I certainly was not referring to a "horrible deformity" as something that only affected appearance, but rather issues that were mentally and/or physically incapacitating.

Mental disorders that were considered "incapacitating" a hundred years ago are now successfully treated with medicines. Brain abnormalities that would have caused a person to live out their life in an institution even 50 years ago are now treatable.

You want to kill these children off when medical science is just getting to the point of understanding the brain?

And let's talk about Steven Hawking, shall we?

Yes they are. If they weren't suckling, they may be nonviable.

viable: capable of living; especially : having attained such form and development as to be normally capable of surviving outside the mother's womb <a viable fetus>

2: capable of growing or developing <viable seeds> <viable eggs>

3a : capable of working, functioning, or developing adequately <viable alternatives>

b : capable of existence and development as an independent unit <the colony is now a viable state>

c (1) : having a reasonable chance of succeeding <a viable candidate> (2) : financially sustainable <a viable enterprise>

Good to know children are now born viable in your eyes.

You just described every healthy fetus.

Please consider that I'm talking about very severe conditions that will necessitate the patient live in a bed at his parent's house for his entire life. I'm not talking about bipolar disorder or other illnesses that are not diagnosable at birth.

Stephen Hawking was born normal and did not have problems until he was a young adult. Not even relevant to this discussion.

OK, so what's your point? No one is advocating doing anything to healthy babies.

Sorry, but you're not making sense any more. No, not all children are born viable. Time to check into reality.

Except a few posts ago, you were saying newborn infants weren't "viable".

Sorry, but I see where you people are going with this. One minute you're crying about eating animals, and the next it's only the SEVERELY disabled babies you want to kill.

I know how you people work. You're all over the place with this shit, poking and prodding from every angle until you can tangle someone in your little web of deceit. You make me sick.

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You're the one that's so unhappy with it. Why don't you just check out?

Sure OP, look at the communist states when they decided to rid themselves of religion; they immediately threw off their shackles and refused to be subjugated under the TPTB.

Oh, wait, that didn't happen, it was exactly the opposite, and OP is a historically ignorant idiot.

"Yadda yadda docile yadda yadda sheep yadda yadda enslaved"

Do you even listen to yourself regurgitating this ignorant, neo-atheist nonsence. Religious adherants have been martyred for their beliefs; tortured, maimed and burnt alive refusing to compromise on mere principle; waged wars; founded countries; assassinated monarchs; overthrown governments; instigated revolutions.

"Those who stand for nothing, will fall for anything"

Its amazing how enough cocaine heroin DMT LSD Ketamine and cannabis will fix most of the conditions on your list. Your patient may still be incontinent, however.

We've spent so much time looking at poorly medicated dying people that we think they are supposed to look like that.

Medieval pain relief was better than what we have now. They had mandragora.

Stage 4 here.

My choices are simple.Cut,Burn,Poison.
I am refused pain control cause,I wont allow these choices to take place.

Over counter meds do help but,we wont discuss amounts.
Since this is my reality,I ponder this topic often.

Now with Fuku lurking it becomes even more serious.
With the pain med shortage that is taking place can be extremely worrisome for those terminal.

I don't want to leave those I love but, I also worry about what kind of,later years future do I have?
Will I be able as I am now or will i be in a diaper,looking out a window living off memories of my by-gone youth?

If the choice to exit does happen,I know that my soul wont go to hell,nor will The Supreme Creator punish me. This dimension is punishment enough.

My soul weeps for those that live in constant suffering.
Put in sterile rooms to linger with no real compassion.
Wondering in their minds what evil did they do to have this sort of outcome.

This is truly a deep murky subject.
Thanks OP, for shedding some light on this subject.

Please point out where I said all newborns are nonviable because if I did I must have been writing sloppily, then point out where you got the idea I was unhappy. Oh, I'll just go ahead and answer that. Answer: You totally made that up because just throwing out some words is sufficient for you. You and truth are just not very good friends, I guess.

Your suggestion that I check out surely shows your true colors. You want me to die, yet I'm a healthy human being. I don't think you should die, even If I don't agree with you. Wow! that's some morals you got.

Have a good night.

I'm so sorry that you have reached this point in life and I deeply sympathize with the thoughts that must be going through your mind now.

You sound like a good and thoughtful person - don't forget to remind yourself of that. Since you are sincerely wrestling with the questions, I think whatever decisions you come to will be the right ones for you. I truly wish for you no suffering, only peace.

Thank you for posting. Your thoughts are very valuable as they come from someone to whom the question has become all too real.

Have you been offered Hospice? Have you talked to your patient advocate about your pain control situation.

Not so easy on the IHS system.

My type of cancer is slow moving and they more or less want their way.
I mentioned to the Doc that the CDC advised not to Cut,Burn Poison because, studies showed that the cancer would return with a 70% chance for different strains in the cancer family.


That was in 2007 and I haven't sought out side help since.
I will not burden humanity with my suffering for i know there are far more worse cases than I.

I do lots of research on herbs and helpful diets,plus, I live for those I love and that helps.
I'm not a happy saint with all the answers but,I'm still here as long as I can be independent that keeps me motivated.

Thank-you AC.
I wont forget..
May you and yours Be Blessed and Loved.

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Well written, OP.

So true. I myself was said that I am handicapped when I was little, doctor said that I will be never able to walk. I had minimal cerebral palsy. I had huge pains in my legs. My mother stayed up with me almost every night because I had so much pain I cryed and my mother cryed with me. She still cryes when she remembers it. By the OP's definition I had to be euthanized because I had so much pain, I won't say I didn't want to die, but I am happy I didn't. Now I am a grown person, I have no pain in my legs, I can walk fine and I am a normal person. It is thanks to my mother, who didn't give up. When doctorr said I won't be able to walk, she went to another doctor. Almost everyday we went to hospital, she spent so much time next to me, supporting me. I had every kind of therapy, Chinese massages were the ultimate healer. What if my mother would have decided to euthanize me? I am thankful it was illegal and she didn't give up on me.

Yes yes, the same ole xerox machine crap, put on the internet over and over and over again...

They want to control you....

They want to keep you in line...

They want to make money keeping you alive....


Yes yes....

Please come up with original ideas, because this crap of posting the same stuff in different ways millions of times a month is getting old atheists.

Let's talk about Stephen Hawking.

Stephen Hawking was born 'normal' and with and incredible mind that does not believe in a creator or an afterlife.

He was struck down with a horrible, degenerative, ultimately terminal disease.

Let's see what this incredible genius says about the right to die:

"In an interview which will reignite the heated debate surrounding euthanasia, the 71-year-old cosmologist told the BBC: "We don't let animals suffer, so why humans?"

He said: "I think those who have a terminal illness and are in great pain should have the right to choose to end their lives and those who help them should be free from prosecution.

"But there must be safeguards that the person concerned genuinely wants to end their life and they are not being pressurised into it or have it done without their knowledge or consent, as would have been the case with me.""

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Stephen Hawking, like myself, recognizes within each individual the sentience, consciousness and awareness to know within THEMSELVES whether or not it is worth it to them to continue living this life.

I'm sorry that you are in this position.

First, know you're not the only one.

People seem to think that those who choose to end their life (for whatever reason) do so flippantly and without thinking about all aspects of their decision, from their eternal soul to the impact it will have on those around them.

The fact is that nobody lives anyone else's life, feels their pain, or has to live with the consequences of their choices.

Of course you are not going to be punished eternally for ending your own torment, that kind of conditioning is social, not part of the laws of the Universe. You see it all the time in nature.

Only you know how much you can take.

I would never advocate that you take your own life, but I know that many people just like having the peace of mind of having some modicum of control of their ultimate destiny, in a reality that has already stripped them of so much. When your own body and heath and mind betray you, you feel like you are left with very little.

Not to mention we live in a society with a medical industry that thinks it knows so much more than it does about treating the sick, doctors who think they know better than patients what kind of treatments their bodies and minds can endure.

I'm not saying suicide is a great option, an ideal option, a pretty option. I'm just saying that in order to be truly free we need to have control over these types of decisions ourselves, and in a society as technologically advanced as ours, there is no reason that people should have to suffer needlessly.

Much love to you on your journey, and I am going to share with you one of my favorite quotes that always brings me peace:

"This plastic little place is just a step amongst the stairs."