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Pooka  (OP)

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Here's a very personal issue - very personal, but I want to address it.

If we do in fact take a trip in our vehicles, there are a lot of possible scenes that can occur, none of which work well if you have to pee so bad it hurts! Could be a traffic jam, or pouring down rain, or below zero temps, or unsafe to open the vehicle door. What do you do?

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I happened to think of this yesterday as I was going through a basket I keep between the front seats of my car. A few years ago my favorite thrift shop had cases and cases stacked near the front of the store of, hard to imagine, things to piddle in. My body will no longer allow me to "get into position" in the woods, nor slide down off the seat onto the floor edge with the door open and do it that way. I only bought a couple boxes, and now regret it. At any rate, I am prepared for a few times of not having to leave my vehicle in case of that kind of emergency.
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Could you draw a picture, literally? Where does the cooking food or heating water sit? I cannot picture this thing, though I do have experience with stovepipe.

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Imagine a cylindar with a hole cut in the bottom & 2 notches cut in the top.

The cooking pot sits on top of it (in direct contact).

That's why you need 2 notches cut in the top...the cooking pot would block the smoke from exiting the pipe without those 2 notches.
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So, this is a little radical, and your spouse may object, but in our cabin, I removed each window, pulled out the insulation in the wall under the window, and filled the lower portion of the wall up with 50% pea gravel and 50% driveway gravel..

Many are trained to shoot just below the window in a firefight.

Your walls are NOT bulletproof.. Yet..
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How is it for insulating properties?
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It's fine, I finish it off with sand, dump in, pound on wall, dump more, pound some more, until full.
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Not a bad idea at all - if expecting that kind of attack, which is certainly possible after SHTF. Good thinking.
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when you ask "Where are your parents?" what does the child say?

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You open the door to ask "Where are your..." BOOM you get knocked out by 5 people that were using the kid as bait to get you to open the door.
 Quoting: Mental Case


Exactly!
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You don't think that is too much out in the open and vulnerable to those with a similar idea and to those who are coming out of cities and towns that they've already looted, looking for more?

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Welp, your premise was we were forced to leave our homes.

Yes, I've thought of places like woods along a highway where nobody would bother with as long as they didn't see you.

One of my favorite places was to row a canoe out in a marsh...nobody could get to you unless they had a canoe too.

Sure they could shoot at you but why waste the ammo? They still couldn't get to you.

They couldn't walk because it's 1 foot of water then it's all muck :)
 Quoting: Mental Case


In your area of the country you don't have the remote places to go as we do here - logging roads, forests, mountains, lots of wilderness, so though it shocks me when you write "woods along a highway" which to me would be insanely right in the middle of millions of people, you don't have any other options, do you? Not good.
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Here is something else, just to file away.

90% of small aircraft at rural (tiny, maybe grass) airports are pre year 2000 pipers and cessna's (160-190 series)

These are SUPER easy to fly and land.

Pre-year2k aircraft do NOT have electronic ignition. In fact, they actually have MAGNETO igitions. EMP PROOF!

Just file that away in your mind.

ohyeah
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It seems that sanitation issues should be a part of practical prepping. Found this article while researching same today; lots of good suggestions in this article:


Make and use an emergency toilet:

"In a disaster, you may not be able to use your normal toilet if sewerage lines are broken or damaged. It’s easy to make and use an emergency toilet."

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Thank you, AC - as you will see I was thinking about similar things!

We absolutely require sanitation almost from the first moment, and we need to address it well ahead of time.

Thank you for this!
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Here is something else, just to file away.

90% of small aircraft at rural (tiny, maybe grass) airports are pre year 2000 pipers and cessna's (160-190 series)

These are SUPER easy to fly and land.

Pre-year2k aircraft do NOT have electronic ignition. In fact, they actually have MAGNETO igitions. EMP PROOF!

Just file that away in your mind.

ohyeah
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One quick way to get out of Dodge!
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Here is something else, just to file away.

90% of small aircraft at rural (tiny, maybe grass) airports are pre year 2000 pipers and cessna's (160-190 series)

These are SUPER easy to fly and land.

Pre-year2k aircraft do NOT have electronic ignition. In fact, they actually have MAGNETO igitions. EMP PROOF!

Just file that away in your mind.

ohyeah
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One quick way to get out of Dodge!
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For me it is part of our rescue program. I have a child in college, 7 hour drive away (if cars are working), 3 hour flight. I have been taking classes and did my first solo the other day. I confronted the instructor, "would you let me take this out for solo training in a power outage?" he said, "Don't see why a power outage would matter much" He's a cool guy, 80 years old, owns 2 cessna's a 1964 and a 1978, both perfect condition.
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"woods along a highway" which to me would be insanely right in the middle of millions of people,

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I like the idea of hiding in plain sight.

People are walking the roads because it's the path of least resistance...they have no desire to go into the woods...but if they do, why not go DEEP into the woods (which is where you are looking at).

I also like the idea of building in a tree...who looks up while walking thru the woods?

Paint it cammo & stick some sticks around the edges and nobody will ever know you're there.
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Here is something else, just to file away.

90% of small aircraft at rural (tiny, maybe grass) airports are pre year 2000 pipers and cessna's (160-190 series)

These are SUPER easy to fly and land.

Pre-year2k aircraft do NOT have electronic ignition. In fact, they actually have MAGNETO igitions. EMP PROOF!

Just file that away in your mind.

ohyeah
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One quick way to get out of Dodge!
 Quoting: Pooka



For me it is part of our rescue program. I have a child in college, 7 hour drive away (if cars are working), 3 hour flight. I have been taking classes and did my first solo the other day. I confronted the instructor, "would you let me take this out for solo training in a power outage?" he said, "Don't see why a power outage would matter much" He's a cool guy, 80 years old, owns 2 cessna's a 1964 and a 1978, both perfect condition.
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Congratulations on your first solo! You are very close to your license!
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"woods along a highway" which to me would be insanely right in the middle of millions of people,

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I like the idea of hiding in plain sight.

People are walking the roads because it's the path of least resistance...they have no desire to go into the woods...but if they do, why not go DEEP into the woods (which is where you are looking at).

I also like the idea of building in a tree...who looks up while walking thru the woods?

Paint it cammo & stick some sticks around the edges and nobody will ever know you're there.
 Quoting: Mental Case


You will be carrying camo paint in your over-loaded vehicle which couldn't carry all the preps you needed? Determined indeed!

Remember that where you parked your car will be pointing to your location and that leaving your car locked with most of your goodies still in it while you take a load into the woods is a great invitation for people to help themselves.

Do you see a possibility of staying in or with your car somewhere? What does that look like?
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Could you draw a picture, literally? Where does the cooking food or heating water sit? I cannot picture this thing, though I do have experience with stovepipe.

--------

Imagine a cylindar with a hole cut in the bottom & 2 notches cut in the top.

The cooking pot sits on top of it (in direct contact).

That's why you need 2 notches cut in the top...the cooking pot would block the smoke from exiting the pipe without those 2 notches.
 Quoting: Mental Case


As mentioned on preceding page, there are several models on youtube.
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Do you see a possibility of staying in or with your car somewhere? What does that look like?

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That's what I first wrote about boat landings/launch.

If you stay with your car, you're going to be on a road (or real close to it).

All of these are just "possibilities"...everything depends on what scenario unfolds.

I even have a plastic sled incase cars are down from an EMP I could haul more behind me with the sled.

Not a high price for a just-in-case scenario.

And no, I don't have cammo paint...I would do the "painting" with mud & leaves & weeds & branches.
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As mentioned on preceding page, there are several models on youtube.

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It doesn't need to have the classic "L" shape.

The bottom of the L is just the air intake...and a hole will do just as well for drawing in air.
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As mentioned on preceding page, there are several models on youtube.

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It doesn't need to have the classic "L" shape.

The bottom of the L is just the air intake...and a hole will do just as well for drawing in air.
 Quoting: Mental Case


I really like the simplicity of it - and especially the light weight. Hadn't thought about needing one, as it won't work here, but then we start thinking about traveling, and it is perfect for using just anything at all to burn.

What are you thinking for lighting it - a case of Bic, a long barbecue lighter, matches - how do you roll on that one?
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Here is something else, just to file away.

90% of small aircraft at rural (tiny, maybe grass) airports are pre year 2000 pipers and cessna's (160-190 series)

These are SUPER easy to fly and land.

Pre-year2k aircraft do NOT have electronic ignition. In fact, they actually have MAGNETO igitions. EMP PROOF!

Just file that away in your mind.

ohyeah
 Quoting: WyatteSmith


And dual magnetos at that.

Redundancy. Left mag, Right mag, etc.
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What are you thinking for lighting it - a case of Bic, a long barbecue lighter, matches - how do you roll on that one?

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I also use the air intake hole for lighting it...I start by putting a paper towel or paper bag in the bottom of the pipe with a tiny corner hanging out of the air intake hole. That's what I light, after i drop some sticks into the top.

If I had no paper...I suppose I would use dry grass or weeds...start saving plants/leaves & let them dry out for kindeling.
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Everyone gone to sleep already?
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Everyone gone to sleep already?
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No
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Everyone gone to sleep already?
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No
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I asked everybody to respond to the eleven questions in the scenario I posed on page fifty, and only mental case responded. Strange!
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So here's a possibility - if there is no EMP or other breaking of the power grid, that is.

Supposing we expect to shelter in place, or even in our bug-out location, and something goes awry. Gangs and hordes are getting too close to us is the first thing I think of - no doubt others will think of more possibilities.

Whatever serious event or possibility tells us that we are no longer safe there, and must immediately leave - and further supposing that we have no particular destination in mind, what would we quickly squeeze into our vehicle of the preps we had intended to use in the shelter we are leaving? We cannot take everything, obviously, so what comes first and foremost?

After mentally packing our vehicle, next, think about whether we could live in our vehicle.

When I thought about this, first to mind was gas, and then the survivors of the zombie apocalypse, filling their tanks from abandoned vehicles. We will assume we can do this, while remembering how often gangs and such folk are hidden nearby waiting for somebody like us so they can steal our preps and our vehicle, probably, and no doubt kill or enslave us. We will assume for the moment that doesn't happen, we get the needed gas and move on.

Where do we go, since we do not have a safe haven in mind? Where do we drive to, or go to park and stay? What do we do now, having escaped what was coming to our formerly safe shelter?

Our vehicles will not run forever - they will break down in some ways - too many flats and no more spares. Lines break. Water leaks out. Low on oil. Anything could happen. So, we have to have a general site we are headed for, with the hope of parking it there. Where is this place? How do we avoid other people, or are we looking for other people to join for mutual protection?

When we get to wherever we are going, what's there? Do we think we can stay there indefinitely? Let's say the vehicle was on its last legs when we arrived, so we will not be driving further. Any change of location will be on foot.

Then, are we physically capable of leaving the vehicle on foot and moving toward hope? Or physically incapable - then what do we do?

Let's give each of these questions - there are actually about eleven of them - serious, serious thought and discussion. Let's help each other see different visions than what's in our own heads.

Survival is the point.
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I see it now hf let me think like I did the other scenario ok
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So here's a possibility - if there is no EMP or other breaking of the power grid, that is.

Supposing we expect to shelter in place, or even in our bug-out location, and something goes awry. Gangs and hordes are getting too close to us is the first thing I think of - no doubt others will think of more possibilities.

Whatever serious event or possibility tells us that we are no longer safe there, and must immediately leave - and further supposing that we have no particular destination in mind, what would we quickly squeeze into our vehicle of the preps we had intended to use in the shelter we are leaving? We cannot take everything, obviously, so what comes first and foremost?

After mentally packing our vehicle, next, think about whether we could live in our vehicle.

When I thought about this, first to mind was gas, and then the survivors of the zombie apocalypse, filling their tanks from abandoned vehicles. We will assume we can do this, while remembering how often gangs and such folk are hidden nearby waiting for somebody like us so they can steal our preps and our vehicle, probably, and no doubt kill or enslave us. We will assume for the moment that doesn't happen, we get the needed gas and move on.

Where do we go, since we do not have a safe haven in mind? Where do we drive to, or go to park and stay? What do we do now, having escaped what was coming to our formerly safe shelter?

Our vehicles will not run forever - they will break down in some ways - too many flats and no more spares. Lines break. Water leaks out. Low on oil. Anything could happen. So, we have to have a general site we are headed for, with the hope of parking it there. Where is this place? How do we avoid other people, or are we looking for other people to join for mutual protection?

When we get to wherever we are going, what's there? Do we think we can stay there indefinitely? Let's say the vehicle was on its last legs when we arrived, so we will not be driving further. Any change of location will be on foot.

Then, are we physically capable of leaving the vehicle on foot and moving toward hope? Or physically incapable - then what do we do?

Let's give each of these questions - there are actually about eleven of them - serious, serious thought and discussion. Let's help each other see different visions than what's in our own heads.

Survival is the point.
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I see it now hf let me think like I did the other scenario ok
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Thank you for moving it up to the current page, Denholm. 'Preciate it!
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Everyone gone to sleep already?
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No
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Presqu'ile, glad you are awake too. I almost fell asleep - should have gone to bed right then, hmm? Anyway, I'm glad you guys are here and active.
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my buddy made another video this morning, the must have bugout tool, the folding saw

mine saved my life hf


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So here's a possibility - if there is no EMP or other breaking of the power grid, that is.

Supposing we expect to shelter in place, or even in our bug-out location, and something goes awry. Gangs and hordes are getting too close to us is the first thing I think of - no doubt others will think of more possibilities.

Whatever serious event or possibility tells us that we are no longer safe there, and must immediately leave - and further supposing that we have no particular destination in mind, what would we quickly squeeze into our vehicle of the preps we had intended to use in the shelter we are leaving? We cannot take everything, obviously, so what comes first and foremost?

After mentally packing our vehicle, next, think about whether we could live in our vehicle.

When I thought about this, first to mind was gas, and then the survivors of the zombie apocalypse, filling their tanks from abandoned vehicles. We will assume we can do this, while remembering how often gangs and such folk are hidden nearby waiting for somebody like us so they can steal our preps and our vehicle, probably, and no doubt kill or enslave us. We will assume for the moment that doesn't happen, we get the needed gas and move on.

Where do we go, since we do not have a safe haven in mind? Where do we drive to, or go to park and stay? What do we do now, having escaped what was coming to our formerly safe shelter?

Our vehicles will not run forever - they will break down in some ways - too many flats and no more spares. Lines break. Water leaks out. Low on oil. Anything could happen. So, we have to have a general site we are headed for, with the hope of parking it there. Where is this place? How do we avoid other people, or are we looking for other people to join for mutual protection?

When we get to wherever we are going, what's there? Do we think we can stay there indefinitely? Let's say the vehicle was on its last legs when we arrived, so we will not be driving further. Any change of location will be on foot.

Then, are we physically capable of leaving the vehicle on foot and moving toward hope? Or physically incapable - then what do we do?

Let's give each of these questions - there are actually about eleven of them - serious, serious thought and discussion. Let's help each other see different visions than what's in our own heads.

Survival is the point.
 Quoting: Pooka


I've been thinking about this and one obvious tactic to employ would be caches of supplies in locations that you could get to. Maybe in one of the "hobo jungles" - those pieces of land at a highway junction. In the event that you were forced to flee at a moment's notice you wouldn't be left with just the clothes on your back.

Vehicles are just a transition tool. I've seen an old school bus turned into a wonderful hunting cabin but let's face it, most common vehicles would be a cramped shelter. Look for Shelters, Shacks and Shanties by D.C. Beard for examples of what can be built from simple materials with minimal tools. I know a guy who wintered over in a hole that he dug and covered. Doesn't have to be fancy.

As to what you should take, that is the subject of endless prepper blogs isn't it? You are looking to cover the basics of survival - air, shelter, water and food, so whatever you have to meet those needs should go in your vehicle first. The category of shelter includes clothing and bedding. After that, your ability to thrive should be considered. Being able to do that depends on tools and information.

What that list winds up looking like will differ from person to person.
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Did someone laugh at your lights flickering? I surely did not.

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Penny Peppers who picked a peck of Practical Prepping Protocols! :D
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I sprayed my computer :D
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So, this is a little radical, and your spouse may object, but in our cabin, I removed each window, pulled out the insulation in the wall under the window, and filled the lower portion of the wall up with 50% pea gravel and 50% driveway gravel..

Many are trained to shoot just below the window in a firefight.

Your walls are NOT bulletproof.. Yet..
 Quoting: WyatteSmith


How is it for insulating properties?
 Quoting: Pooka


It's fine, I finish it off with sand, dump in, pound on wall, dump more, pound some more, until full.
 Quoting: WyatteSmith


I somehow missed this post. What an excellent, excellent idea!
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You know, all of those pickle, spaghetti, and salsa type jars you have discarded? You could put alot of seeds in them for planting or for sprouting to eat. A few rolls of tape, a thumbtack and one of these preserves them as well as keep citters out.
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I always save the nicest jars, etc. There are just too many uses for such items and a lot of uses you may not think of until a need arises. Necessity is the mother of all inventions!
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Re: Practical Prepping Protocol even if Poor
my buddy made another video this morning, the must have bugout tool, the folding saw

mine saved my life hf


Kaz vs Wild 7 Survival Saw Applications and Asset Analysis - YouTube



 Quoting: Denholm


Your buddy looks pretty capable, Denholm!
Can I ask how the saw saved your life? hf
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