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"Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire

 
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On Sunday, November 18th the Kerem Shalom and Erez crossings were open for humanitarian aid to Gaza




A total of 80 truckloads of medical equipment and food
were transferred into Gaza. The crossings were opened in spite of the security threat facing the staff assigned to man the crossings.

The goods transferred via Kerem Shalom included 16 truckloads of medical equipment, such as medicines, anesthetics and disposable medical equipment, and 64 truckloads of food. Crucial components of CT scanners passed through the border and were delivered to the Beit Shifa Hospital.

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WHO ELSE DELIVERS FOOD ELECTRICITY AND OTHER NEEDS
DURING WAR


WTF

THATS RIGHT ISRAEL GIVE GAZA FREE ELECTRICITY
THEY OWE ISRAEL MILLIONS FOR ELECTRICITY
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28129016


But... but.... but

I thought Jews were, like, trying to GENOCIDE Palestinian babies and stuff.

Does it mean that RussiaToday and al-Jazeera -- not to mention assorted trolls from Mexico to Canada all the way down to Kengaroonia.... weren't telling us the truth???

Say it ain't so, RussiaTaadaaa, say it ain't so!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28123231

80 tons of supplies: worthless (to MSM)
1 dead Gaza Arab baby: priceless (to MSM)
Patriotism is supporting your country always -- and your government when they deserve it. Mark Twain


Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who kept their swords. -Benjamin Franklin
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PBS news KWAME HOLMAN: Within days, Iran will be ready to double its production of weapons-grade enriched uranium. The International Atomic Energy Agency reported the finding today. It means Tehran could be within three months of obtaining enough uranium for a nuclear warhead. Iran has insisted it has no plans to make nuclear weapons, but it refuses to stop its enrichment program.
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On Sunday, November 18th the Kerem Shalom and Erez crossings were open for humanitarian aid to Gaza




A total of 80 truckloads of medical equipment and food
were transferred into Gaza. The crossings were opened in spite of the security threat facing the staff assigned to man the crossings.

The goods transferred via Kerem Shalom included 16 truckloads of medical equipment, such as medicines, anesthetics and disposable medical equipment, and 64 truckloads of food. Crucial components of CT scanners passed through the border and were delivered to the Beit Shifa Hospital.

[link to www.mfa.gov.il (secure)]

WHO ELSE DELIVERS FOOD ELECTRICITY AND OTHER NEEDS
DURING WAR


WTF

THATS RIGHT ISRAEL GIVE GAZA FREE ELECTRICITY
THEY OWE ISRAEL MILLIONS FOR ELECTRICITY
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28129016


But... but.... but

I thought Jews were, like, trying to GENOCIDE Palestinian babies and stuff.

Does it mean that RussiaToday and al-Jazeera -- not to mention assorted trolls from Mexico to Canada all the way down to Kengaroonia.... weren't telling us the truth???

Say it ain't so, RussiaTaadaaa, say it ain't so!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28123231


Israel carefully, oh so carefully controls their border with Gaza. They readily admit it's a blockade. It's not a free flow of goods and services. The humanitarian aid is from UN agencies (refugee relief), and you can be sure that Israel is reimbursed. So yeah it's free electricity to Gaza, but Israel profits... lol

On the other hand, Sinai and Gaza trade is a free enterprise unrestricted thriving exchange... unless, on rare occasions, the tunnels arent operating...
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Why can't Middle Eastern countries stop fighting each other?
 Quoting: TheDude99

When Arabs stop attacking Israel there will be peace.
Patriotism is supporting your country always -- and your government when they deserve it. Mark Twain


Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who kept their swords. -Benjamin Franklin
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As far as I can see there are two non Pro Likud posters here. Out of how many? And you focus all your energy and cant take even this small minority of opinions?

Just preaching to the converted? Is that what you want GLP to be? BLAH!

Jeez! lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624


Actually there are three of us Mexico...one of us is content to simply be a silent observer. I'm stunned and appalled by the hatred and blood lust of the majority of pro-Israel posters here. So much so, that I really am speechless at this point!
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


I'm shamelessly pro Israel...If you happen to think I have an insatiable blood because of that fact...

...well, I don't give a fuck.

Seriously.

0 fucks will be given.

Infact...

I actually enjoy the fact that you seem so disturbed by what you've read here.

It really makes me happy...you know, "all warm and fuzzy inside".

hugs
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^ i'm a pompous self important arse and maximum self important dickhead
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Gunman fires shots at the US Embassy in Tel Aviv, Israel, wounding a guard; gunman apprehended by police - Israel Radio via @Reuters

[link to www.breakingnews.com]

wtf
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YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THAT


DO NOT BE LEFT IN THE DARKNESS…………..


How do we know that the exile is almost finished, and the final redemption must be near. ?



Well first of all It is written concerning the Final Redemption:



It shall come to be on that day that the Lord will once again show His hand… And He will gather in the dispersed ones of Judah from the four corners of the earth. (Isaiah 11:11-12)



It is know that in the era of the Redemption itself will come the end of the exile, rebuilding the Temple, gathering all the Jewish people, bringing them back to Israel, and the Messiah will usher in an age of universal peace.



According to the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics there were 13,421,000 Jews worldwide in 2010.

On the eve of Israel’s 62nd Independence Day (2010) 5,726,000 Jews live in Israel.



ONE SHOULD NOTICE THAT THIS IS A BIG STEP TOWARD THE COMPLETION OF THE REDEPTION.

ALMOST HALF OF THE JEW’S IN THE WORLD HAVE ALREADY BEEN “GATHERED” AS HAS BEEN PROPHESIEZED AND LIVE IN THE LAND OF ISRAEL

RIGHT NOW !



THIS IS NOT A SMALL THING.

READ MORE


THIS IS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT THE BIG PICTURE
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hf

darkness is greatest before the light of day
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Why can't Middle Eastern countries stop fighting each other?
 Quoting: TheDude99

When Israhell stop attacking Palastinians there will be peace.
 Quoting: my 2 cents


fixed.
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Gunman fires shots at the US Embassy in Tel Aviv, Israel, wounding a guard; gunman apprehended by police - Israel Radio via @Reuters

[link to www.breakingnews.com]

wtf
 Quoting: dikkie



Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak
Israel Radio says gunman has fired shots at the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv, guard has been wounded and man now apprehended by police
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As far as I can see there are two non Pro Likud posters here. Out of how many? And you focus all your energy and cant take even this small minority of opinions?

Just preaching to the converted? Is that what you want GLP to be? BLAH!

Jeez! lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624


Actually there are three of us Mexico...one of us is content to simply be a silent observer. I'm stunned and appalled by the hatred and blood lust of the majority of pro-Israel posters here. So much so, that I really am speechless at this point!
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


Save your phony, grossely misinformed self-congratulatory "outrage" for someone who DOESN'T know any better.

You don't know what blood lust is---> ask the Palestinian terrorist who try to cause mass casualties with every attempted suicide bombing, every rocket on civilian population (which is a War Crime by the way by any international law standard, by the way).

Ask the people in Grozny, Chechnya about how "nice" the Russian army was in both 1990s and 2000s invasion.

Or maybe the Syrians about Assad or Iraqis about Saddam.... or the Green Revolution that was snuffed out in Iran by the Basij militia. I won't even mention Africas and literally millions of people that get killed, raped, starve to death, including in Islamic Sudan/Darfur....

Hell, even the so englightened Coalition of the Willing during the 2003 Operation Iraqi Freedom.... killed a HELLUVA lot more civilians, despite far superior army to Israeli's and the fact hat unlike Gazans, Iraqis weren't shooting rockets at NYC or LA at the time..... Way, way more Iraqi civilians perished --- and people like you hardly batted an eyelash.

But god forbid Israel makes one mistake during 1,500 sorties and the Palestinian HUMAN SHIELDS die..... god forbid people defend Israel's far more humane tactics than most armies in the world...... "ZOMG OMG OMG, Zionist blood-thirst".....

In other words, you precious opinion is not as important as that of someone who knows and understand the conflict. Sorry that's just the way it is. Now go find another cause celebre.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28123231


My opinion is equally as important as yours or that of any other poster here. Now get over yourself already! Everyone else has!
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


No, only in your delusional, spoiled, sheltered littl mind is your blatant IGNORANCE of even basic history & issues of the region.... "equal" to the opinion of posters intimately familiar with the conflict & with the participants thereof.

Just as, I know FAR more about performance arts or sports than you could ever hope to learn in millioon years. And I can prove it to you. You won't like it, but you will have to learn how to cope with it.

I am sure, it works the other way --- you for instance, probably know way more than I do about gossiping, shopping & watching reality-TV. See, I admit when it comes to those things, my opinion is NOT as informed as yours.

Learn to know your strenghts and weakness, in other words.
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Gunman fires shots at the US Embassy in Tel Aviv, Israel, wounding a guard; gunman apprehended by police - Israel Radio via @Reuters

[link to www.breakingnews.com]

wtf
 Quoting: dikkie


This is what happens when you get into a mess that you should not care about. Listen to RP and you will know why US embassy in Tel Aviv has been attacked.
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wtf
 Quoting: dikkie


Well!!!

He found out this morning that Clinton was on here way!!
What do you expect??

5a
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Actually there are three of us Mexico...one of us is content to simply be a silent observer. I'm stunned and appalled by the hatred and blood lust of the majority of pro-Israel posters here. So much so, that I really am speechless at this point!
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


Save your phony, grossely misinformed self-congratulatory "outrage" for someone who DOESN'T know any better.

You don't know what blood lust is---> ask the Palestinian terrorist who try to cause mass casualties with every attempted suicide bombing, every rocket on civilian population (which is a War Crime by the way by any international law standard, by the way).

Ask the people in Grozny, Chechnya about how "nice" the Russian army was in both 1990s and 2000s invasion.

Or maybe the Syrians about Assad or Iraqis about Saddam.... or the Green Revolution that was snuffed out in Iran by the Basij militia. I won't even mention Africas and literally millions of people that get killed, raped, starve to death, including in Islamic Sudan/Darfur....

Hell, even the so englightened Coalition of the Willing during the 2003 Operation Iraqi Freedom.... killed a HELLUVA lot more civilians, despite far superior army to Israeli's and the fact hat unlike Gazans, Iraqis weren't shooting rockets at NYC or LA at the time..... Way, way more Iraqi civilians perished --- and people like you hardly batted an eyelash.

But god forbid Israel makes one mistake during 1,500 sorties and the Palestinian HUMAN SHIELDS die..... god forbid people defend Israel's far more humane tactics than most armies in the world...... "ZOMG OMG OMG, Zionist blood-thirst".....

In other words, you precious opinion is not as important as that of someone who knows and understand the conflict. Sorry that's just the way it is. Now go find another cause celebre.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28123231


My opinion is equally as important as yours or that of any other poster here. Now get over yourself already! Everyone else has!
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


No, only in your delusional, spoiled, sheltered littl mind is your blatant IGNORANCE of even basic history & issues of the region.... "equal" to the opinion of posters intimately familiar with the conflict & with the participants thereof.

Just as, I know FAR more about performance arts or sports than you could ever hope to learn in millioon years. And I can prove it to you. You won't like it, but you will have to learn how to cope with it.

I am sure, it works the other way --- you for instance, probably know way more than I do about gossiping, shopping & watching reality-TV. See, I admit when it comes to those things, my opinion is NOT as informed as yours.

Learn to know your strenghts and weakness, in other words.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28123231


Listen Mr. self-righteous self-loving loser...I don't shop, gossip or watch reality TV. I'm too busy being a nurse and CARING for people. What do you do for others Mr. Narcissismo?
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Gunman fires shots at the US Embassy in Tel Aviv, Israel, wounding a guard; gunman apprehended by police - Israel Radio via @Reuters

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wtf
 Quoting: dikkie



Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak
Israel Radio says gunman has fired shots at the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv, guard has been wounded and man now apprehended by police
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typical false flag
just like this whole operation "Pillar of Terror"
has been all along
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Actually there are three of us Mexico...one of us is content to simply be a silent observer. I'm stunned and appalled by the hatred and blood lust of the majority of pro-Israel posters here. So much so, that I really am speechless at this point!
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


Save your phony, grossely misinformed self-congratulatory "outrage" for someone who DOESN'T know any better.

You don't know what blood lust is---> ask the Palestinian terrorist who try to cause mass casualties with every attempted suicide bombing, every rocket on civilian population (which is a War Crime by the way by any international law standard, by the way).

Ask the people in Grozny, Chechnya about how "nice" the Russian army was in both 1990s and 2000s invasion.

Or maybe the Syrians about Assad or Iraqis about Saddam.... or the Green Revolution that was snuffed out in Iran by the Basij militia. I won't even mention Africas and literally millions of people that get killed, raped, starve to death, including in Islamic Sudan/Darfur....

Hell, even the so englightened Coalition of the Willing during the 2003 Operation Iraqi Freedom.... killed a HELLUVA lot more civilians, despite far superior army to Israeli's and the fact hat unlike Gazans, Iraqis weren't shooting rockets at NYC or LA at the time..... Way, way more Iraqi civilians perished --- and people like you hardly batted an eyelash.

But god forbid Israel makes one mistake during 1,500 sorties and the Palestinian HUMAN SHIELDS die..... god forbid people defend Israel's far more humane tactics than most armies in the world...... "ZOMG OMG OMG, Zionist blood-thirst".....

In other words, you precious opinion is not as important as that of someone who knows and understand the conflict. Sorry that's just the way it is. Now go find another cause celebre.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28123231


My opinion is equally as important as yours or that of any other poster here. Now get over yourself already! Everyone else has!
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


No, only in your delusional, spoiled, sheltered littl mind is your blatant IGNORANCE of even basic history & issues of the region.... "equal" to the opinion of posters intimately familiar with the conflict & with the participants thereof.

Just as, I know FAR more about performance arts or sports than you could ever hope to learn in millioon years. And I can prove it to you. You won't like it, but you will have to learn how to cope with it.

I am sure, it works the other way --- you for instance, probably know way more than I do about gossiping, shopping & watching reality-TV. See, I admit when it comes to those things, my opinion is NOT as informed as yours.

Learn to know your strenghts and weakness, in other words.
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cruise....Some one^ who feels compelled to tell the whole world how he feels and believes
that everyone cares.
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Gunman fires shots at the US Embassy in Tel Aviv, Israel, wounding a guard; gunman apprehended by police - Israel Radio via @Reuters

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wtf
 Quoting: dikkie


Now its saying that it was the guard that fired and the man had tried or had stabbed a guard.
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wtf
 Quoting: dikkie



Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak
Israel Radio says gunman has fired shots at the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv, guard has been wounded and man now apprehended by police
 Quoting: dikkie


typical false flag
just like this whole operation "Pillar of Terror"
has been all along
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28104020


but but Trinny told us that WW3 is ccomming...he has inside sources ya know

Too funny
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Update: Attacker at US Embassy in Tel Aviv did not open fire as was reported, stabbed guard, who fired warning shots, police say -

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BREAKING UPDATE: Attack in US Embassy in Tel Aviv involved axe or large knife
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Save your phony, grossely misinformed self-congratulatory "outrage" for someone who DOESN'T know any better.

You don't know what blood lust is---> ask the Palestinian terrorist who try to cause mass casualties with every attempted suicide bombing, every rocket on civilian population (which is a War Crime by the way by any international law standard, by the way).

Ask the people in Grozny, Chechnya about how "nice" the Russian army was in both 1990s and 2000s invasion.

Or maybe the Syrians about Assad or Iraqis about Saddam.... or the Green Revolution that was snuffed out in Iran by the Basij militia. I won't even mention Africas and literally millions of people that get killed, raped, starve to death, including in Islamic Sudan/Darfur....

Hell, even the so englightened Coalition of the Willing during the 2003 Operation Iraqi Freedom.... killed a HELLUVA lot more civilians, despite far superior army to Israeli's and the fact hat unlike Gazans, Iraqis weren't shooting rockets at NYC or LA at the time..... Way, way more Iraqi civilians perished --- and people like you hardly batted an eyelash.

But god forbid Israel makes one mistake during 1,500 sorties and the Palestinian HUMAN SHIELDS die..... god forbid people defend Israel's far more humane tactics than most armies in the world...... "ZOMG OMG OMG, Zionist blood-thirst".....

In other words, you precious opinion is not as important as that of someone who knows and understand the conflict. Sorry that's just the way it is. Now go find another cause celebre.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28123231


My opinion is equally as important as yours or that of any other poster here. Now get over yourself already! Everyone else has!
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


No, only in your delusional, spoiled, sheltered littl mind is your blatant IGNORANCE of even basic history & issues of the region.... "equal" to the opinion of posters intimately familiar with the conflict & with the participants thereof.

Just as, I know FAR more about performance arts or sports than you could ever hope to learn in millioon years. And I can prove it to you. You won't like it, but you will have to learn how to cope with it.

I am sure, it works the other way --- you for instance, probably know way more than I do about gossiping, shopping & watching reality-TV. See, I admit when it comes to those things, my opinion is NOT as informed as yours.

Learn to know your strenghts and weakness, in other words.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28123231


Listen Mr. self-righteous self-loving loser...I don't shop, gossip or watch reality TV. I'm too busy being a nurse and CARING for people. What do you do for others Mr. Narcissismo?
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


knockout

OUCH
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wtf
 Quoting: dikkie


This is what happens when you get into a mess that you should not care about. Listen to RP and you will know why US embassy in Tel Aviv has been attacked.
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It is called "Blowback"
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Listen Mr. self-righteous self-loving loser...I don't shop, gossip or watch reality TV. I'm too busy being a nurse and CARING for people. What do you do for others Mr. Narcissismo?


I noticed you never addressed any of the ac's points...but chose to insult him instead.

Just like the other anon terrorist sympathisers.


Interesting...
my 2 cents

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Yes, as much as Bibi may be handling or mishandling this whole affair, may G-d help Israel if the likes of these two ever rise to power,
 Quoting: my 2 cents


Whoa, don't lay this on G-d.

It's on Israelis who SHOULD know better.

They got played by Shimon Peres's Siren Song of Peace...back in 1992.... and now really should have learned their lesson.

Same with Obama. So many Republicans got tired of supporting Bush, preferred to have a civil war within Republican Party between GOP Establishment, Tea Party and Paul tarfs >>>>>>>>>>> and Obama managed to steal the election right under Romney's nose because of all that GOP disunity.

If Nrtanuahu is not going into Gaza, it's because:

1) The benefits do NOT justify the huge risks & economic costs associated with a month-long war/occupation. If Bibi believes Hamas has no chemical WMD or significant stockspiles of Fajr-5 type weapons... if he believes Iranin Command & Control and spy bunkers have all been taken out from the air..... then what should he go into Hell-on-earth like Gaza?

2) He doesn't want to be distracted from Iran (and Hezbollah) which will be a far bigger fight.

3) Obama & EU have expressely forbidden the operation, threatening to withhold the UNSC Veto if Bibi disobeys.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28123231


I think you may be misinterpreting me. I'm not laying this on G-d in the past tense. Of course the voting public in Israel are old enough to be accountable for their decisions. In the future, however, when things go off the rails G-d will be called on for help due to their poor decisions.
I agree with your points 1) and 2) but on point 3) I'm not sure it's as clear cut as an outright red light on an invasion. Do you have evidence?
 Quoting: my 2 cents


What do you mean? I said EITHER #1, #2 OR #3 ---- Bibi only needs one of those reasons and Gaza operation is OFF.

And don't under-estimate Obama's leverage here. It's one thing before the election, he couldn't have threatened Netanyahu too much because had Bibi launched a solo war against Hezbollah or Iran, then world ecnomy would have crashed in the short-term, which would have doomed Obama's re-election chances.

Post elections, Bibi no longer has that sword hanging over Obama's head. While Obama has a few big cards, including the aformentioned UN Security Council VETO --- without the use of which, Israel's economy would have been strangled long time ago by sanctions, boycott and divestment. Right or wrong, that's just the way world is.

Bibi knows it. He is not stupid, nor is he a coward. If Gaza War is NO-go, then there MUST be a big reason why. I mentioned the main 3.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28123231

Clarification noted. I think we are pretty much in agreement and of course Obama/US influence is not to be underestimated. That goes without saying.
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As far as I can see there are two non Pro Likud posters here. Out of how many? And you focus all your energy and cant take even this small minority of opinions?

Just preaching to the converted? Is that what you want GLP to be? BLAH!

Jeez! lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624


Actually there are three of us Mexico...one of us is content to simply be a silent observer. I'm stunned and appalled by the hatred and blood lust of the majority of pro-Israel posters here. So much so, that I really am speechless at this point!
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


I'm shamelessly pro Israel...If you happen to think I have an insatiable blood because of that fact...

...well, I don't give a fuck.

Seriously.

0 fucks will be given.

Infact...

I actually enjoy the fact that you seem so disturbed by what you've read here.

It really makes me happy...you know, "all warm and fuzzy inside".

hugs
 Quoting: Devoted Follower 28055738


No water off my back. But did I ask you to stand on a soapbox to personally declare your unequivocal loyalties to Likud? No. Are you trolling me to declare my undying loyalties, too? hahaha

Are you making a speech to an audience? Other Americans of your ilk? Surely not the Israelis who you say you stand behind, but at the first opportunity you stab them in the back (like when they sway away from Likud). I've seen your kind before, your support is only as good as the flimsy soapbox you stand on...
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Listen Mr. self-righteous self-loving loser...I don't shop, gossip or watch reality TV. I'm too busy being a nurse and CARING for people. What do you do for others Mr. Narcissismo?
 Quoting: Devoted Follower 28055738


I noticed you never addressed any of the ac's points...but chose to insult him instead.

Just like the other anon terrorist sympathisers.


Interesting...


take a hint and STFU Douchebag Follower
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11/20/2012 04:34 AM
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Why can't Middle Eastern countries stop fighting each other?
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When Israhell stop attacking Palastinians there will be peace.
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fixed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28129446


Israel has been taking incoming rocket fire for mo tha and didn't retaliate. Israel was tring to give peace a chance. How dense does one have to be to ignore the fact that Hamas is an aggressor?
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11/20/2012 04:35 AM
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Re: "Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire
[link to worldnews.nbcnews.com]
Britain’s Chief Rabbi Jonathan Sacks said he believes tensions over Iran were behind the Israel-Gaza violence.

That remark – made in a radio studio when he thought he was off the air – echoes a theory that Tehran’s fingerprints are all over the current escalation of violence.

Realizing that he was actually live on air, Sacks did not elaborate on his theory but Western intelligence agencies and the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) do agree that longer-range rockets being fired toward Tel Aviv are Iranian-manufactured Fajr-5 missiles.

The Fajr-5s are assembled locally after being shipped from Iran via Egypt’s Sinai region from where they are smuggled into Gaza through tunnels, the IDF says on its own public information site.

Israel believes weapons travel via Sudan – a theory underlined when it launched airstrikes on an apparent arms factory there last month, killing two people.
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11/20/2012 04:35 AM
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"Operation “Pillar of Terror”

brought to you by Massod
because......... no one does false flag better than us.

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11/20/2012 04:35 AM
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No, only in your delusional, spoiled, sheltered littl mind is your blatant IGNORANCE of even basic history & issues of the region.... "equal" to the opinion of posters intimately familiar with the conflict & with the participants thereof.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28123231


Name names,,,, please, who is intimately familiar with the conflict there? You? HAHAHHA,,,, Now, who else? Do tell....
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11/20/2012 04:35 AM
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I have a gut feeling that Israel will go in tonight.

Clinton will cancel the visit.





GLP