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A Tribute to Communism

 
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That is interesting thought. How did millions of people appear in cattle trains at night? What kind of jurispurdence managed constantly to solve more than 20000 cases in one area throughout one night (from arrest until all were loaded to the trains going straight to the death camps)?
 Quoting: EMPerror


It honestly sounds like you are confusing the Nazis with communists. The qulags were labor camps, not death camps, VERY little amount of people died in qulags when penicillin was fully implemented in Soviet Union. LACK of medicine was the PRIMARY cause of death in gulags. Millions of people in Europe and America died due to the Spanish flu, yet NO ONE would accuse those countries of killing their civilians! Yet a variety of causes of deaths in Soviet Union was intentionally labeled to be due to communism.
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You're really troubled.

How can you call a place in arctic permafrost regions where people were simply unloaded behind barbed wire in the middle of nowhere and left without proper clothes and food. Did Russkies have industrialized arctic there?
 Quoting: EMPerror


There isn't a single prison in the world in the history where prisoners are without food, water, and clothes as long as the country itself was doing reasonably fine.

Nazis Germany for example clothed, fed, and gave their Jewish prisoners water. If they wanted to kill the Jewish they didnt starve them, they killed them. Those starving Jewish pictures were taken during an era where the Germans were low on supply. Soviet Union wasn't low on supply. Nazis had death camps but even there the Jewish still had food, water, and clothes, Soviet Union didn't have any death camps. Those dead bodies of Jewish without clothes was because the Jewish took their clothes off before entering the gas chambers.

Certainly the Jewish suffered from frost bite and I'm sure the prisoners in gulag camps also suffered from such, but they certainly had food, water, and clothes.

You probably are talking about the struggle between the Kulaks which are the 10 million rich peasants in Soviet Union who didnt like Stalin. That was a struggle between 10 million peasants who resisted agriculture collectivization vs 110 million peasants who supported Stalin and his collectivization.

In the case of the counter-revolutionaries, it is also necessary to consider the crimes of which they were accused. Let us give two examples to show the importance of this question: the first is the kulaks sentenced at the beginning of the 1930s, and the second is the conspirators and counter-revolutionaries convicted in 1936-38.

According to the research reports insofar as they deal with the kulaks, the rich peasants, there were 381,000 families, i.e., about 1.8 million people sent into exile. A small number of these people were sentenced to serve terms in labour camps or colonies. But what gave rise to these punishments?

The rich Russian peasant, the kulak, had subjected poor peasants for hundreds of years to boundless oppression and unbridled exploitation. Of the 120 million peasants in 1927, the 10 million kulaks lived in luxury while the remaining 110 million lived in poverty. Before the revolution they had lived in the most abject poverty. The wealth of the kulaks was based on the badly-paid labour of the poor peasants. When the poor peasants began to join together in collective farms, the main source of kulak wealth disappeared. But the kulaks did not give up. They tried to restore exploitation by use of famine. Groups of armed kulaks attacked collective farms, killed poor peasants and party workers, set fire to the fields and killed working animals. By provoking starvation among poor peasants, the kulaks were trying to secure the perpetuation of poverty and their own positions of power. The events which ensued were not those expected by these murderers. This time the poor peasants had the support of the revolution and proved to be stronger than the kulaks, who were defeated, imprisoned and sent into exile or sentenced to terms in labour camps.

Of the 10 million kulaks, 1.8 million were exiled or convicted. There may have been injustices perpetrated in the course of this massive class struggle in the Soviet countryside, a struggle involving 120 million people. But can we blame the poor and the oppressed, in their struggle for a life worth living, in their struggle to ensure their children would not be starving illiterates, for not being sufficiently `civilised' or showing enough `mercy' in their courts? Can one point the finger at people who for hundreds of years had no access to the advances made by civilisation for not being civilised? And tell us, when was the kulak exploiter civilised or merciful in his dealings with poor peasants during the years and years of endless exploitation.
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I'm talking about genocide of people that previously did not have hunger. It did happen wherever Communists came.
There are some documents about these events

Let's take Lithuania

1941-04-14 and 1941-04-16 Communist party issued orders to perform genocide (extermination) in Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, West Ukraine, West Belarus and Moldova.
[link to www.archyvai.lt]
[link to www.archyvai.lt]

1941-05-12 Commissar issues numbers of people to be exterminated
[link to www.archyvai.lt]

1941-06-05 More detailed numbers are sent
[link to www.archyvai.lt]

1941-06-14 3:00 and 2:00 at night, arrests of families houses are robbed. That's document about plundered possessions (all money, gold, silver, weapons, literature, including watches and rings) and families that escaped. Old people, ill ones, kids and pregnant women were forced to squeeze into vehicles.
[link to www.archyvai.lt]

1941-06-16 The same scenario repeats. Numbers of arrested until 12:00 are in documents
[link to www.archyvai.lt]

There were no courts. There is a lot more.
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You people show your under-developed intellectual capabilities by believing that Obama is a Communist which is ridiculous.
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Communist Party doesn't think so.

[link to www.cpusa.org]
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well, since there is only one choice between 2 shitheads from the same two parties every 4 years, even if they dont like Obama they are still going to vote for a democrap. Thats all there is to it. They aren't left with any other options.
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You people show your under-developed intellectual capabilities by believing that Obama is a Communist which is ridiculous.
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Communist Party doesn't think so.

[link to www.cpusa.org]
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well, since there is only one choice between 2 shitheads from the same two parties every 4 years, even if they dont like Obama they are still going to vote for a democrap. Thats all there is to it. They aren't left with any other options.
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No, they had one option. The commie.

The are elated at his "victory".
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Communists are a disgrace for the humanity. Their ideology is based on lies, disinformation and tyranny, mass tortures and killings. History proves it on every instance communism comes into power.
Communism as a most barbarous regime in history of humankind is still advocated by many collaborators waiting for opportunity to seize power and enslave unsuspecting nations and populations.
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You people show your under-developed intellectual capabilities by believing that Obama is a Communist which is ridiculous.
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Communist Party doesn't think so.

[link to www.cpusa.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10783814


well, since there is only one choice between 2 shitheads from the same two parties every 4 years, even if they dont like Obama they are still going to vote for a democrap. Thats all there is to it. They aren't left with any other options.
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No, they had one option. The commie.

The are elated at his "victory".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10783814


Stop spouting nonsense. The CPUSA has a strategy why they support the Democrats re election (and why they didnt field their own candidate). Read your own link! It isnt because Obama is their leader (they say quite clearly he is capitalist and not a radical), but it's because it is the only party with a chance to defeat the "right" so that they the CPUSA can mobilize the "democratic forces" for legislative changes they support. They are overly optimistic, obviously. But every political party has their internal debates and rhetoric and what they say they will do to accomplish what they say will happen.
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Communists are a disgrace for the humanity. Their ideology is based on lies, disinformation and tyranny, mass tortures and killings. History proves it on every instance communism comes into power.
Communism as a most barbarous regime in history of humankind is still advocated by many collaborators waiting for opportunity to seize power and enslave unsuspecting nations and populations.
 Quoting: EMPerror


You are a traitor to humanity.

Capitalism= deadwhip


shitstream capitalism
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Communists are a disgrace for the humanity. Their ideology is based on lies, disinformation and tyranny, mass tortures and killings. History proves it on every instance communism comes into power.
Communism as a most barbarous regime in history of humankind is still advocated by many collaborators waiting for opportunity to seize power and enslave unsuspecting nations and populations.
 Quoting: EMPerror


You are a traitor to humanity.

Capitalism= deadwhip


shitstream capitalism
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Communism usually uses fictional arguments to describe their opponents when addressing problems that only communistic ideology is responsible for.

Atheism advocated by communists worships Lenin like a "god" even today. Unfortunately this form of "strange religion" has no sense of moral values with treachery, lies common between these followers.
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Communists are a disgrace for the humanity. Their ideology is based on lies, disinformation and tyranny, mass tortures and killings. History proves it on every instance communism comes into power.
Communism as a most barbarous regime in history of humankind is still advocated by many collaborators waiting for opportunity to seize power and enslave unsuspecting nations and populations.
 Quoting: EMPerror


Wish I could read the documents you linked. All's I can say at this point is that the Baltics were victims of big power geopolitics. It's independence was a pipe dream, and resistance to outside rule -- by either the USSR or Nazi Germany -- was not an option. I am sure many sincere brave patriots thought otherwise, and they paid with their lives. I used to have no sympathy for the Baltics, but I realize they could not have had the power of hindsight to make the right decision in their difficult situation. There was no right decision, and they lost. I dont really blame the Soviets either, as far as their reaction to save themselves from the inevitable Nazi attack. For them it was merely a front line buffer zone to slow down the invasion.

I realize today the anti Russian feelings are getting hot. I dont know exactly who is involved and why. I just hope that it isnt a resurgence of neo Nazis who wish to settle scores and veer your country off course (or perhaps a similar course as before). Lithuanians deserve better...
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A pickpocket is obviously a champion of private enterprise. But it would perhaps be an exaggeration to say that a pickpocket is a champion of private property…. The point about Communism is that it only reforms the pickpocket by forbidding pockets.

G.K. Chesterton, The Outline of Sanity
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Doesn't that strike anyone as strange?

You zeroed in on why America is falling, Public education.
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I have taught in trade schools where I must dedicate my time to re-teaching the dumb as a rock students the most basic of concepts rather than helping the smart ones who could get a job. When I apply to a job teaching at a college, I am required to filter all teaching thru a multi cultural viewpoint. I teach drafting and design, I suppose that I could say the numbers are roman numerals and the triangle is the shape for pyramids, yet this gives me even less time to teach the smart students.
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Communists are a disgrace for the humanity. Their ideology is based on lies, disinformation and tyranny, mass tortures and killings. History proves it on every instance communism comes into power.
Communism as a most barbarous regime in history of humankind is still advocated by many collaborators waiting for opportunity to seize power and enslave unsuspecting nations and populations.
 Quoting: EMPerror


Wish I could read the documents you linked. All's I can say at this point is that the Baltics were victims of big power geopolitics. It's independence was a pipe dream, and resistance to outside rule -- by either the USSR or Nazi Germany -- was not an option. I am sure many sincere brave patriots thought otherwise, and they paid with their lives. I used to have no sympathy for the Baltics, but I realize they could not have had the power of hindsight to make the right decision in their difficult situation. There was no right decision, and they lost. I dont really blame the Soviets either, as far as their reaction to save themselves from the inevitable Nazi attack. For them it was merely a front line buffer zone to slow down the invasion.

I realize today the anti Russian feelings are getting hot. I dont know exactly who is involved and why. I just hope that it isnt a resurgence of neo Nazis who wish to settle scores and veer your country off course (or perhaps a similar course as before). Lithuanians deserve better...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28763511


These documents have numbers of people which is easily seen. Unfortunately the only translations available are in Lithuanian. What is mainstream knowledge here, in West and other countries is completely unknown or less known.

It is not anti Russian, it is anti Communist.
Lithuanian history was not going with Nazis and it isn't now. Similar claims are a result of propaganda intended to undermine the ones that were fighting and many of whom lost their lives in fight against communism.

Lithuania witnessed mass deportations, communist atrocities. This started resistance war in 1941-06-22 where Soviet army was defeated. Government was formed and independence restored. There is movie about it.


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

German army went without serious fight through Lithuania. Lithuanian government was not recognized, replaced by Nazi representatives and true intentions could be easily guessed (it is a long story). Lithuanian government sent a letter to Hitler that it is against Geneva convention to form military units in occupied territories, which was unprecedented (government was arrested for this).
Rosenberg policy took upper hand and made everything clear. Von Renteln wanted to form "Waffen SS", but Lithuanians refused to fight for foreign cause.
[link to www.lituanus.org]

When communists finally came, it was the longest resistance war in Europe.
1944-1952(resistance leaders lost)-1965(serious military confrontation ended).
1971(the last fighting partisan surrendered)
1986(the last partisan that did not surrender died in Lithuania).

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Lithuania was the first to break away from Soviet Union. Communists constantly spread lies and disinformation about Lithuanian resistance movement.
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The dangers of the past are being brought back up. The ultimate irony of an age of digital wonders and endless information is that young people could be so enthralled with embracing elements of a destructive system without realizing the actual dangers (given all of the information available) that go along with it. Human gullibility is as much to blame as the natural need to avoid suffering.

5*s
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11 pages later my opinion still stands.
Jack of all trades, master of none.
We are all the result of our past choices meeting the future.
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Well, the commies are out in force now. Obviously none of you work for a living.

Oh...that's right...
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Ain't that the fucking truth.

I hope they enjoy their time now on the capitalist internet, eating capitalist Cheetos and drinking capitalist Mountain Dew. Because soon, the reckoning...

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Communists are a disgrace for the humanity. Their ideology is based on lies, disinformation and tyranny, mass tortures and killings. History proves it on every instance communism comes into power.
Communism as a most barbarous regime in history of humankind is still advocated by many collaborators waiting for opportunity to seize power and enslave unsuspecting nations and populations.
 Quoting: EMPerror


Flawlessly stated by a man who knows first-hand.

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Communists are a disgrace for the humanity. Their ideology is based on lies, disinformation and tyranny, mass tortures and killings. History proves it on every instance communism comes into power.
Communism as a most barbarous regime in history of humankind is still advocated by many collaborators waiting for opportunity to seize power and enslave unsuspecting nations and populations.
 Quoting: EMPerror


Wish I could read the documents you linked. All's I can say at this point is that the Baltics were victims of big power geopolitics. It's independence was a pipe dream, and resistance to outside rule -- by either the USSR or Nazi Germany -- was not an option. I am sure many sincere brave patriots thought otherwise, and they paid with their lives. I used to have no sympathy for the Baltics, but I realize they could not have had the power of hindsight to make the right decision in their difficult situation. There was no right decision, and they lost. I dont really blame the Soviets either, as far as their reaction to save themselves from the inevitable Nazi attack. For them it was merely a front line buffer zone to slow down the invasion.

I realize today the anti Russian feelings are getting hot. I dont know exactly who is involved and why. I just hope that it isnt a resurgence of neo Nazis who wish to settle scores and veer your country off course (or perhaps a similar course as before). Lithuanians deserve better...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28763511


These documents have numbers of people which is easily seen. Unfortunately the only translations available are in Lithuanian. What is mainstream knowledge here, in West and other countries is completely unknown or less known.

It is not anti Russian, it is anti Communist.
Lithuanian history was not going with Nazis and it isn't now. Similar claims are a result of propaganda intended to undermine the ones that were fighting and many of whom lost their lives in fight against communism.

Lithuania witnessed mass deportations, communist atrocities. This started resistance war in 1941-06-22 where Soviet army was defeated. Government was formed and independence restored. There is movie about it.


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

German army went without serious fight through Lithuania. Lithuanian government was not recognized, replaced by Nazi representatives and true intentions could be easily guessed (it is a long story). Lithuanian government sent a letter to Hitler that it is against Geneva convention to form military units in occupied territories, which was unprecedented (government was arrested for this).
Rosenberg policy took upper hand and made everything clear. Von Renteln wanted to form "Waffen SS", but Lithuanians refused to fight for foreign cause.
[link to www.lituanus.org]

When communists finally came, it was the longest resistance war in Europe.
1944-1952(resistance leaders lost)-1965(serious military confrontation ended).
1971(the last fighting partisan surrendered)
1986(the last partisan that did not surrender died in Lithuania).

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Lithuania was the first to break away from Soviet Union. Communists constantly spread lies and disinformation about Lithuanian resistance movement.
 Quoting: EMPerror


My god, I sure have a lot of new-found respect for Lithuania and its heroic struggle against tyranny!

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This thread is a perfect.

You have the people who fought tooth and nail to get out of communism. They watched entire family wiped out trying to get out, you will never hear a person say they got out of Germany before the wall fell and they regret it. Instead if you talk to that person who did escape they will break down because they see this nightmare starting again here.

Then you have the young people who jump up and down at how capitalism is bad and do not trust their government or TPTB in anyway, but those same people are willing to run in to a nightmare blindly and suddenly. They WANT to trust a socialistic sadistic government because “that government” will never lie they want to help the people! These kids can’t comprehend entire streets getting wiped out have never seen a person killed slowly with a machete or seen a baby head stomped in as the mother watches. They have a Hollywood concept of violence; to them everything is rainbows and candy on the other side of the fence. They can’t understand that they would be killed just for expressing an opinion because they have never been in a position like that, to them it is a foreign concept not based in a reality they have experienced.


Kids have it to easy, they expect the government to hand them everything just like the current government does. They don’t get the one roll of toilet paper a week for a family of four and a line of 8 hours to get that roll concept, we hid reality from them to protect them, and it backfired.


People fighting to give up their freedom for a free meal, rather than fighting to be able to live as they want without the government telling them what to do.


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In communism your person is the property of the state.

Read some Solzhenitsyn and disabuse yourself of the communist delusion.





Aleksander Wat was a Polish intellectual, imprisoned by Stalin following the outbreak of the Second World War. His remarkable memoirs have been compared with Solzhenitsyn's work. Here, he recalls his time in Kiev Prison in the Soviet Union, where writing on the latrine walls provided the only truth in a world perverted by Soviet lies. Wat considers one of these pieces of graffiti which read: ‘A curse on whoever invented the name Corrective Labour Camps.’


‘A curse on whoever invented the name... ’ – anger about a name, the meaning of words, semantics. The loss of freedom, tyranny, abuse, hunger would all have been easier to bear if not for the compulsion to call them freedom, justice, the good of the people. Mass exterminations are not an exception in history; cruelty is part of human nature, part of society. But a new, third, dimension had been added that was more deeply and subtly oppressive: a vast enterprise to deform language. Had it been only lies and hypocrisy – lying is part of human nature and all governments are hypocritical. The rulers' hypocrisy can cause rebellion, but here any possible rebellion had been nipped in the bud once and for all. A lie is an infirmity, a disease of language. The natural function of language is to ascertain the truth, or truths. Lies, by their very nature partial and ephemeral, are revealed as lies when confronted with language's striving for truth. But here all the means of disclosure had been permanently confiscated by the police. The customary or even the logical, natural connections between words and things, facts, had been taken from the individual, expropriated everywhere, and nationalized for good, so that now any word could mean whatever suited the whims of the usurper of all words, meanings, things, and souls. The viler the deed, the more grandiloquent the name. But if only this procedure were used to mask criminal means and ignoble ends – that too had happened often enough in history, the history of wars, tyrannies, and annexations; Tacitus knew about all that. But in this case a coherent set of grandiloquent terms and the opposing monstrous reality were kept side by side, ostentatiously and with diabolical thoroughness and perseverance, and under threat of extermination a person was coerced into fully believing that the terms and the facts were identical. Such things had been anticipated and attempted in history's darker hours, but this was the first time the ‘reforging of souls’ was carried out by the police on such a colossal scale, with such speed and such logic. Collective farmers dying of starvation were herded into films in which the tables buckled under the weight of food; under threat of death they had to believe that these banquets, and not their wretched poverty, their collective farms, were true and typical. Young enthusiasts sang rapturously:

‘I know no other land
Where a man can breathe so free’

while their fathers perished in the camps. But for souls that had not been reforged yet, nothing was as hateful as that total corruption of language. It drove them to their wits' end. It suffocated them like a nightmare, like a noose around their necks.

When I was at liberty in Russia, which by then had been pacified until it was like a cemetery, I saw some old people who risked their lives to shout out, if only once, that slavery is slavery and not freedom. That was to be a common thing later on in post-war Poland, even during the blackest years. I was one of that large number, and I paid dearly for it.

So in the prison latrines you could read the plain human truth about Stalin's Russia – there, and only there.
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The dangers of the past are being brought back up. The ultimate irony of an age of digital wonders and endless information is that young people could be so enthralled with embracing elements of a destructive system without realizing the actual dangers (given all of the information available) that go along with it. Human gullibility is as much to blame as the natural need to avoid suffering.

5*s
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11 pages later my opinion still stands.
 Quoting: IRQ_1

Yes, and thank God for the Lithuanian, because you guys left me here alone among the onslaught of wolves that attacked after the midnight hour.

Geez.


It's like the friggin full moon came out for a while there.

I work late...I'm up late.

So are the "workers party" apparently. Or else it's all the Europeans.

Whatever.

It wasn't pretty.
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In communism your person is the property of the state.

Read some Solzhenitsyn and disabuse yourself of the communist delusion.





Aleksander Wat was a Polish intellectual, imprisoned by Stalin following the outbreak of the Second World War. His remarkable memoirs have been compared with Solzhenitsyn's work. Here, he recalls his time in Kiev Prison in the Soviet Union, where writing on the latrine walls provided the only truth in a world perverted by Soviet lies. Wat considers one of these pieces of graffiti which read: ‘A curse on whoever invented the name Corrective Labour Camps.’


‘A curse on whoever invented the name... ’ – anger about a name, the meaning of words, semantics. The loss of freedom, tyranny, abuse, hunger would all have been easier to bear if not for the compulsion to call them freedom, justice, the good of the people. Mass exterminations are not an exception in history; cruelty is part of human nature, part of society. But a new, third, dimension had been added that was more deeply and subtly oppressive: a vast enterprise to deform language. Had it been only lies and hypocrisy – lying is part of human nature and all governments are hypocritical. The rulers' hypocrisy can cause rebellion, but here any possible rebellion had been nipped in the bud once and for all. A lie is an infirmity, a disease of language. The natural function of language is to ascertain the truth, or truths. Lies, by their very nature partial and ephemeral, are revealed as lies when confronted with language's striving for truth. But here all the means of disclosure had been permanently confiscated by the police. The customary or even the logical, natural connections between words and things, facts, had been taken from the individual, expropriated everywhere, and nationalized for good, so that now any word could mean whatever suited the whims of the usurper of all words, meanings, things, and souls. The viler the deed, the more grandiloquent the name. But if only this procedure were used to mask criminal means and ignoble ends – that too had happened often enough in history, the history of wars, tyrannies, and annexations; Tacitus knew about all that. But in this case a coherent set of grandiloquent terms and the opposing monstrous reality were kept side by side, ostentatiously and with diabolical thoroughness and perseverance, and under threat of extermination a person was coerced into fully believing that the terms and the facts were identical. Such things had been anticipated and attempted in history's darker hours, but this was the first time the ‘reforging of souls’ was carried out by the police on such a colossal scale, with such speed and such logic. Collective farmers dying of starvation were herded into films in which the tables buckled under the weight of food; under threat of death they had to believe that these banquets, and not their wretched poverty, their collective farms, were true and typical. Young enthusiasts sang rapturously:

‘I know no other land
Where a man can breathe so free’

while their fathers perished in the camps. But for souls that had not been reforged yet, nothing was as hateful as that total corruption of language. It drove them to their wits' end. It suffocated them like a nightmare, like a noose around their necks.

When I was at liberty in Russia, which by then had been pacified until it was like a cemetery, I saw some old people who risked their lives to shout out, if only once, that slavery is slavery and not freedom. That was to be a common thing later on in post-war Poland, even during the blackest years. I was one of that large number, and I paid dearly for it.

So in the prison latrines you could read the plain human truth about Stalin's Russia – there, and only there.
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I see this happening RIGHT NOW. They twist and pervert the words...again and again and again until the words no longer mean ANYTHING.

IT IS TRULY MADDENING.

The leftists, the communists...the PROGRESSIVES.

These are truly evil and demented people.


They will literally drive you insane...

They will kill us.

ANYONE WHO DENIES THIS DENIES HISTORY.

I've seen this since they passed the healthcare bill, saying "you have to pass it to see what's in it".

WHAT? WHAT?

These people are psychotic.

And we all just SIT here and let them run the asylum.

What the everloving freaking FUCK?

WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET PEOPLE TO STAND THE FUCK UP?
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Kids have it to easy, they expect the government to hand them everything just like the current government does. They don’t get the one roll of toilet paper a week for a family of four and a line of 8 hours to get that roll concept, we hid reality from them to protect them, and it backfired.

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No, but they WILL get it.

Unless we stop it.

We have to stop thinking like sheep and start thinking like wolves.
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The dangers of the past are being brought back up. The ultimate irony of an age of digital wonders and endless information is that young people could be so enthralled with embracing elements of a destructive system without realizing the actual dangers (given all of the information available) that go along with it. Human gullibility is as much to blame as the natural need to avoid suffering.

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11 pages later my opinion still stands.
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Yes, and thank God for the Lithuanian, because you guys left me here alone among the onslaught of wolves that attacked after the midnight hour.

Geez.


It's like the friggin full moon came out for a while there.

I work late...I'm up late.

So are the "workers party" apparently. Or else it's all the Europeans.

Whatever.

It wasn't pretty.
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Sorry, I accidentally developed a life outside of GLP for a while.

I'm over it now.

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The Bloody History of Communism

[link to www.youtube.com] (part 2 of 14 parts)

Part one requires some type of registration which I never went through.

Damned good and informative video series.

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