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Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...

 
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Re: Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...
anyone remember when one of the many "anonymous sources at
the police department, speaking with anonymity because he's
not allowed to talk to anybody", said that the police had
found strong evidence of a possible motive?

wtf
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Re: Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...
To shoot with a Gas Mask on is not impossible, but it is something you must train for, initially, it is hard to even aquire a target because you have to lean your head so far to the right with the mask on. Not to mention coming in from the cold, to a heated building, would absolutely fog your mask. Then, breathing in a mask is almost like breathing through a straw when running.

There is nothing easy about shooting in MOPP gear. Nothing at all. I don't see a 20 year old with no military training being able to pull it off...sorry. I just don't. Not with such accuracy. I guess, and this may sound bad, but it is relevant. I would want to know how many shots per it took to fatally hit each person. That could explain a lot. But then if you take into account smoke filled halls? It is amazing the kid knew where he was heading at all. It would have been near impossible to see. between a foggy mask and smoke filled hallways.

I don't know, but, whomever killed these children, Government or this 20 year old kid, they/he need to be dealt with in a more "Medieval" way.
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bring them to me!
rhombus will set you free...

some try to tell me thoughts they cannot defend. just what you want to be, you will be in the end!

if you can't face the truth it's probably raping you from behind.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...
anyone remember when one of the many "anonymous sources at
the police department, speaking with anonymity because he's
not allowed to talk to anybody", said that the police had
found strong evidence of a possible motive?

wtf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30653248


Yes how about when Lt. Vance said on Day 1 that they had recovered "very good" evidence at the Lanza home. Later in the week, we find out Lanza's hard drives have been destroyed and that authorities had found "very little" of value in their search for clues.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...
If someone went through every single Thread on Sandy Hook since it happened, and all the details people remember, and all the comments from people actually living in the area where it happened... they would have the makings of a book.

I know that someone reported on GLP seeing a video of the school which showed two white, unmarked 18-wheeler tractor trailers, parked at the side. The person was surprised. What were they doing there?

To transport what, or to transport whom -- in or out?

Think I can find it now? No way.

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recently didnt they pass a law that says the government could use the media for propaganda..sandy-hook was just one big movie set.and drill .being filmed..and used to pass new laws..like 911...new laws against the people. not one investigated reporter has ever asked the question about the cctv cameras in school .. if this did happen.. who lured adam into the school.. and where are these children? when you find that you find the truth
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I'll have to look up that law, if it's true than the N.Y. Daily News is likely involved as an instrument of propaganda.
Look at the following excerpts from Denis Hamills' article dated 12/23/2012.

"She pretended not to hear. Too bad, because although there
were some overly aggressive reporters in Newtown, I didn’t
meet a single journalist last week who wasn’t moved to tears by 20 murdered kids at Christmas." I didn't see any tears at all.

"Most had covered homicides, riots, hurricanes, blackouts, plane crashes, wars and 9/11."

"Most agreed this was the worst story ever because unlike
the World Trade Center terror attack it was not an act of
war by foreign enemies with at least a definable, if twisted, motive.
This was the mindless slaughter of innocents by a monster among us, a coward who also killed himself, taking his motives and our need for justice with him." This is worse than 9/11?



"Several people I spoke with in Newtown thought it was ironic that the name of the rifle used to kill six
adults and 20 children was a .223-caliber Bushmaster."

"Because it was during George W. Bush’s administration in 2004 when the 10-year assault rifle ban
expired the way the Bush tax cuts are scheduled to expire Dec. 31. During the 2000 election
campaign both Bush and Al Gore said they supported extending the assault rifle ban. But once
Bush was reelected in 2004 he never lifted so much as his trigger finger to rally the Republican
Congress into extending the ban." It's Bushs' fault!

"They should be banned — but we also need to round up the potentially dangerous nuts out there.”

[link to www.nydailynews.com]
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I can't understand if Adam planned to take his own life, why was he wearing any armor?

And all the video games, why wouldn't he wanna go out in a real fire fight? Cops show up and now he just says I'm done! I'll just kill myself?
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Re: Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...
I can't understand if Adam planned to take his own life, why was he wearing any armor?

And all the video games, why wouldn't he wanna go out in a real fire fight? Cops show up and now he just says I'm done! I'll just kill myself?
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But when someone is deemed crazy, then you don't have to apply any rational motivations at all. That's the beauty of it. 'Why just kill himself, why not take out cops, why destroy his own hard drives when he wants to go down in infamy?'

Because he's crazy! (and a coward, of course)
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Re: Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...
anyone remember when one of the many "anonymous sources at
the police department, speaking with anonymity because he's
not allowed to talk to anybody", said that the police had
found strong evidence of a possible motive?

wtf
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Yes how about when Lt. Vance said on Day 1 that they had recovered "very good" evidence at the Lanza home. Later in the week, we find out Lanza's hard drives have been destroyed and that authorities had found "very little" of value in their search for clues.
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wtf
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Re: Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...
anybody remember the right wing inbred hillbilly white supremist guntard
who sacrificed himself to go into a jewish cultural center
in washington d.c. to shoot things up?

maybe all of our conspiracy scenarios aren't so far fetched?
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i guess the news media are afraid they'll be deported to Liberia
if they do any investigative journalism on this thing.
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i guess the news media are afraid they'll be deported to Liberia
if they do any investigative journalism on this thing.
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i mean, there's a Pulitzer Prize waiting for any journalist
who busts this story wide-open.


wtf
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recently didnt they pass a law that says the government could use the media for propaganda..sandy-hook was just one big movie set.and drill .being filmed..and used to pass new laws..like 911...new laws against the people. not one investigated reporter has ever asked the question about the cctv cameras in school .. if this did happen.. who lured adam into the school.. and where are these children? when you find that you find the truth
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I found the propaganda bill, H.R. 5736 making it official that the U.S. government uses all forms of media to brainwash the masses. I know they've been doing it for a long time, but I suppose it's going to become even more intense.

"To amend the United States Information and Educational Exchange Act of 1948 to authorize the domestic dissemination of information and material about the United States intended primarily for foreign audiences, and for other purposes."

[link to thomas.loc.gov]
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Re: Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...
recently didnt they pass a law that says the government could use the media for propaganda..sandy-hook was just one big movie set.and drill .being filmed..and used to pass new laws..like 911...new laws against the people. not one investigated reporter has ever asked the question about the cctv cameras in school .. if this did happen.. who lured adam into the school.. and where are these children? when you find that you find the truth
 Quoting: zetuff64


I found the propaganda bill, H.R. 5736 making it official that the U.S. government uses all forms of media to brainwash the masses. I know they've been doing it for a long time, but I suppose it's going to become even more intense.

"To amend the United States Information and Educational Exchange Act of 1948 to authorize the domestic dissemination of information and material about the United States intended primarily for foreign audiences, and for other purposes."

[link to thomas.loc.gov]
 Quoting: Pale Horse


no cartoons? :)
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Re: Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...
Parties Involved
-2 operatives (both on duty police)
-1 cleaner (civilian)
-1 patsy (Adam Lanza)

Operation Prep (again I had to speculate for this part on what "likely" happened as there is 0 information about what took place at Adam's house... other then the mom died... weapons and her car were taken, and his computer was smashed.)

2 on duty police (1 car) go to Adams moms house early in the morning of the event and go up to her door and knock. They wake her up (still in pajama's which match official story), and tell her a distraction story to gain access to the house (such as your older son "Ryan" has been killed). She lets them in and is frantic as one would expect. They ask is anyone else in the house (knowing there is) then offers something like "would you like me to take Adam for a drive while the other officer gives you the details? Adam is fairly young, and has a mental illness (aspergers) so she would likely prefer that he not see/hear this right now as he wouldn't easily understand. The mom calls down for Adam to come upstairs. People suffering from aspergers even at Adams age normally don't like doing things when told by someone they don't know, and Adam's mom likely told Adam to go with and do whatever this man tells you (otherwise he would likely go into a fit of frustration if his mom wasn't the one that told him, but if she did he would likely be more then willing to do what was asked... his mom tells him to do it... they are police... there is no threat... he knows nothing about the fake Ryan dead story being told to his mother). The officer then brings Adam outside and puts him in the back of the police car and goes back in and makes up a lie about "another" police being out there to drive Adam around while we discuss the details (meanwhile Adam is actually outside in the back of the police car alone). They then start feeding her more details about Ryans death (all made up of course) and ask her if she has anything of Ryan's such as a picture or ideally an old ID (I know when I was that age I use to keep my old ID's... I would give them to my mom and say "I don't know if I still need this", and she would just take it and store it somewhere). She goes to get it from her room upstairs. Once she is upstairs 1 police goes downstairs to gain access to and prep the 4 patsy guns, the other yells up stalling the mom asking her questions "what age was Ryan", "when was the last time you saw him"... and eventually makes his way up stairs as if hes having a hard time hearing her answers. She's in her room at this point looking for a picture/ID of Ryan, which we can assume she found (the ID found in Adams pocket... I'll get into that more later) and hands it to the officer which is now standing in/near her room (most likely right in the door to her room). The 2nd police then makes his way upstairs with 1 of the 4 guns (AR) and shoot her dead on the bed (matches official story). They go downstairs and smash his computer (matches official story, and is used to draw extra attention to Adam being the killer... why else would he smash his computer right? also to possibly destroy some form of traceable evidence (maybe they also spoke to Adam via the internet before all this went down)) Anyways, they then take the 4 prepped and ready weapons (1 of which was used to kill her... again matching official story), grab her car keys (match official story) and put the weapons in the trunks of the car(s) (2 in each car... 1 pistol & 1 AR in the police car with 1 police & Adam and 1 pistol & 1 shotgun in Adam's moms car which the other officer will now drive).

Once the mother is killed, the patsy vehicle is obtained, the patsy is obtained, and the patsy weapons are obtained they make a call to their civilian counterpart (the cleaner) to make sure he is in position. The cleaner arrives at the school well before the shooting, for a legitimate reason and is buzzed in willingly (in this SPECIFIC case the cleaner was their helping his daughters class build gingerbread houses... her class was not shot up and this mans daughter lived the event unharmed... go figure). Anyways the cleaners first job is complete, he has access to the inside of the school well before the shooting, gets the call from the 2 police and says he's in position and will be ready at the "scheduled time".

So just to clarify before going into the op itself... that's 3 cars total, 4 people total.
-Adam's Moms car = operative 1... 1 pistol + 1 shotgun = On way to school
-1 Police Car = operative 2 + patsy Adam... 1 pistol + 1 AR = On way to school
-Cleaners Car = no weapons = At school ahead of time

Also before going into the op I should mention the clothing adjustments that would be made before arriving at the school (you will see why this is important in a minute).
Operative 1 = Mask, Dark Jacket (with dark shirt), Camo Pants, Gloves... with his police uniform under it
Operative 2 = Mask (not wearing yet), Dark Jacket (with dark shirt), Camo Pants, Gloves (not wearing yet).... also with his police uniform under it
***Not that WITHOUT the MASK on these outfits would not draw a lot of suspicious attention (dark jacket/camo pants)... fact is you could blend in fairly well with it (until shots are fired that is).
Adam = Irrelevant
Cleaner = Irrelevant


The Black Op
The 2 operatives show up at the school in their 2 separate vehicles at around the same time (again both are dressed the same... this is a key point to remember). Operative 1's job is to breech the front door and take care of the administrative staff, Operative 2's job is the 2 classroom (with his entry made though the back door)... both men will "appear" to be the same person based on eyewitness accounts (due to them looking identical and never being seen at the same place at the same time... ever see the movie Inside Man?).

So basically how I see it going down...

Operative 1 arrives in Adams moms car puts his mask/gloves on (again dressed in a dark shirt & jacket with camo pants), goes to his trunk and grabs the 2 weapons he has (1 pistol, 1 shotgun) and heads to the entrance of the school (he doesn't have to be subtle about it... people are going to think hes Adam in a few minutes... and why wouldn't they... everything lines up so far). At the same time Operative 2 gets out of the police car (again wearing a dark shirt & jacket with camo pants & gloves), puts the mask in his pocket & also grabs the 2 weapons he has from the trunk (1 pistol, 1 AR). Operative 2 would have to be more subtle then Operative 1 as he will be entering from an "unofficial" entry point (the back door) so the pistol would be 100% hidden, and the AR would be tucked under his jacket as much as possible (the patsy Adam would be made to walk in front of him to assist in hiding the mostly concealed AR as they make their way towards the back of the school). Also anyone in the area that is paying attention to their surroundings would be more focused on Op 1 which blatantly has a mask on with an exposed shotgun in hand on the front lawn (so Op 2 would have little issue being basically unnoticed making his way to the back entrance with the needed patsy).

OK so quick update
-Operative 1 going towards front entrance, mask and all, holding a shotgun...
-Operative 2 going towards the back entrance, mask hidden, guns hidden, with the Patsy Adam...
-Cleaner inside the school waiting for his signal to open the back door (signal being front entrance breech).

Operative 1 then uses the shotgun (first shots fired) to blow out the "bulletproof" security glass of the front entrance door making his way into the school... keep in mind multiple shots would be needed to do this... even with a high powered shotgun (the official story is he used a total of 16 AR rounds to breech the front door which I believe to be false).

The Cleaner hearing his signal (entrance breech) opens the back door of the school and lets Operative 2 & Adam into the school. The schools security system at this point would light up letting the secretary know the back door has been opened from the inside... except a second after being let in the school's power goes out.....
"We were just in the middle of gym, when we heard gunshots, then the power (muffled) went out."
[link to www.yankeewaterfowler.net]

All video surveillance, and power locks at this point stopped working (go figure).
"Once the shooting began, Mr Varga tried to lock the door to the conference room. When he found out the door would not lock, the teacher then ran down a smoke-filled hallway to safety but turned back to help his fellow staff escape."
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

After the power goes out operative 2 enters and gets into position outside the first target classroom putting on his mask and waiting for his signal (his signal being operative 1's pistol fire to finish).

Operative 1 just entering the school through the hole he breached, uses the pistol to shoot at the administrative office near the front of the school (where the principle was... or the people most likely to cause "trouble" from a black-op perspective)... from what I understand killing 4 adults and wounding 2 in this front area. He then starts making his way towards Operative 2 through the interior of the school.

Operative 2 at this time hearing his signal (pistol fire ending) waits ~5 seconds and then opens the first target classroom door and using the 1 AR shoots as many people as he can and then moves on to the 2nd classroom (again with the AR) and does the same then goes outside in the hall to meet up with the others.

So just as an update to this point both operatives, the cleaner and the patsy are now all together in the hallway outside of the 2 target classrooms and MOST the shooting that took place (at least the entrance/classroom shooting) is finished (although more shots will be fired).

Evidence Cleanup / Patsy Setup / "Official" Police Arrival
Operative 1 takes off his outfit (mask, gloves, dark shirt, dark jacket, camo pants) and gives it to the cleaner to wear which puts it on over his current clothing (the mask and gloves he takes but doesn't actually wear... these he will stash in his own car later on...). Operative 1 has his police uniform on under it.
While that is happening Operative 2 (who did the majority of the killing via the classrooms) makes his way to the front office shoots at the general "front door area" and again shooting at the administrative staff or whoever else happens to still be in that area (which is why AR rounds are found there... only because they lapped back). Anyways operative 2 then makes his way back to the other operative (which is now in his police uniform) and also takes off his outfit (mask, gloves, dark shirt, dark jacket, camo pants) but this time they put it on Adam. Operative 2 is also wearing his police uniform under it.
...so basically the lookout now looks like op 1 (minus the mask/gloves which he has but is not wearing), Adam now looks like op 2... as seen by witnesses in the school they assume it's the same 1 person (due to looking the same yet never being seen together), and the 2 operatives now look like police. Still with me?

Now at this point NO POLICE PRESENCE IS SAID TO BE ON SCENE (OFFICIALLY)... The majority of police took ~15 minutes after reports of shots being fired to arrive (mass police), BUT a few small amounts 1 car (of legit "good" police got there ~3 AFTER shots ended... so let me get this straight... no police were at/in the school while shooting was still happening huh?

"then police men came in, and they um just like asked if um he was in here. But then we had climbed to the closets and um we heard more gunshots..."
[link to www.yankeewaterfowler.net]

I REALLY hope that sinks in... Shooting happens, girl sees 2 police run by saying have you seen him? the children go and hide, seconds later more gunfire... The police they saw were the 2 operatives, they hadn't changed to their "on radio" police persona's quite yet (they were dressed as police at this point but not communicating officially on the police radios yet as the patsy was still alive and no other police are on scene yet... which is why they don't speak on the police radio for another ~2-3 minutes...). They were going around making sure that no one would witness the patsy "suicide" that they were about to do seconds later... the 2 operatives were basically running around telling everyone to stay hidden (stay the fuck out of the halls... we are trying to kill/frame a patsy damn it... can't have you guys witnessing this... you get the jist). After running around the immediate area making sure the coast is clear... they shoot Adam the patsy in the head (the shot(s) heard after the girl saw police) using the 1 pistol that up to this point hadn't been used (operative 2's pistol... since he used the AR for all his classroom killing, and the other pistol was used at the front of the school) and they also put his brothers ID in his pocket to cause added confusion early on, especially since the idea of Ryan being dead was used at the start of the op to gain access to Adam's house... the ID is to cover any tracks about "that" story which they used to fool the mom before any of this began (in case someone overheard their original story told to the mom earlier somehow, about Ryan being dead... the early accounts of the killer being Ryan would wipe those accounts out (think of how an "echo" works in Minority Report...)).

The cleaner at this point grabs all "inconsistent" evidence from the scene; the extra mask, the extra gloves (puts in his own car), and by accident takes the shotgun (puts in Adam's moms trunk) and heads back to the schools back door... let me explain, I think they fucked up here. The shotgun was used to blow open the front door, but never to actually kill anyone. The cleaner when removing "inconsistent" evidence assumed the shotgun wasn't used (since he was at the back at the time and never first hand saw it used) and thought he was doing the right thing when removing it to match "what would be expected at the scene" and the operative that would of told him "no wait leave it I used that" was to busy running around the halls making sure nothing was being seen (until they killed Adam). This would normally not be an issue but one of the police on scene 5 minutes later (which is operative 2) accidentally announces it on scene (because he remembers op 1 having it, and didn't see the cleaner take it) when by this time the shotgun had actually been put in Adam's moms trunk by the cleaner... oops.

Well that brings you to about here...

Police Scanners after shots are first reported...

...which start as police are just first getting any reports of a shooting/issue at the school, and it takes 2-3 minutes for a small number of (2) "good" police to arrive... yet 2 "bad" police are magically inside before all this happens and just randomly pop up in the conversation already inside the school. The 2 operatives now in their full police persona first start using their police radios when other police arrive on scene (2-3 minutes after all shooting stops). They tell the just arriving police to cover the entrance (and don't explain how they just out of nowhere appear on the radio inside the school... no we are arriving on the scene... no we are making our way into the school... no we are looking for injuries/deaths or a suspect.... nothing... just outta nowhere when more police arrive they start communicating on the radio and are already inside the school... and keep in mind this recording is from before shots were ever reported being fired... so there is no reason it would not have any mention of the FIRST 2 police "arriving" at the scene.. it has a lot of audio proof of the 2nd squad car pulling in, them getting out, and every detail about what they do after that point... but not the 2 bad cops... they just appear out of nowhere inside). 1 of these 2 "bad" police is also involved in a lot of the important "on record" events of the day which are also caught in that recording such as...

Op 2 chases down 2 "shadows" that were seen running to the back of the school (which was actually him and the other op scoping out the current police situation but their shadows were seen by a a teacher who was on the phone with police dispatch at that time...). Op 2 over the radio pretends to see "them" (2) coming at him and pretends to chase them (its really them that's running)... he then ~1 minute later says hes detained A (1) suspect (2 people become 1) and then very shortly after is back in the school (he didn't actually detain anyone so 1 becomes 0... he said what he did just so more cops didn't come to the back door yet... AKA I got the situation handled... and they will get their planned (1) person taken into custody in a couple of minutes).

Op 2 also announces finding the first bodies, yet doesn't ask for more emergency vehicles (at this point the police don't think anything major at all has happened other then shots fired and the front door is blown out... repeatedly in the early part of that recording the police dispatch tells some of the ambulances they haven't been told to come yet so don't... because they though it was a small scale thing... not a bloodbath... no matter where op 2 was if he saw a hurt/dead body based on the official line (front office, classroom 1, classroom 2)... at least 3 other dead bodies would have to also be with that injured/dead person... why no mention "we got a mass slaughter here... much worse when we originally thought... send massive emergency response... NOW...). Instead he just brushes it off as something like "ya I found some bodies" (and half the message gets muffled out and is basically ignored by dispatch as I doubt they even heard him say what he said due to the lack of response after that was said).

Op 2 also finds the suspects (Adam) body... busy day for a single cop wouldn't you say... all the while op 1 is on the radio basically drawing attention mainly to the front of the school (or the roof)... anything to draw attention away from where all the action is (the back) for as long as possible (the cleaner is most likely doing final adjustments of on scenes forensic evidence to make sure it all looks good).

Anyways the 2 operatives (police) at this point start blending into the other police presence that is just now arriving and would be able to tell a seemingly honest account of what happened up to that point.

The cleaner waits near the back of the school (~15 mins) until he is finally detained (once the mass police presence is able to get there and they finally have the manpower on scene to actually do something). Him getting detained away from his car was crucial since it has the "inconsistent" evidence in it (if he was detained in his car they would search it... but there is a way around that).

The cleaner having a valid story (I was here making gingerbread houses with my daughters class) and being let into the school willing (buzzed in legit), and no sign of being part of a crime (no blood on clothing, no evidence of shooting a gun, having a daughter in the school, and having his 2 operative buddies vouching for him) they clear him to leave (with his car which would of never been searched as of yet). As he's leaving he would be stopped again in his car by roadblocks, but he could simply say I was already cleared, the officer would confirm this over the radio, and once confirmed let him on his way (again not searching the car... see why getting detained outside of his car becomes so crucial?).


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Re: Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...
There appear to be so many parties involved in the conspiracy we are calling "Sandy Hook." More and more it seems likely that we have some sort of factional war going on between two groups for control in the US.

I'll make a suggestion that may seem outlandish.

We are beginning to get glimpses of fact (and fiction) that the entire Lanza family may have been targeted. If so, this could only be some sort of payback for a perceived fault.

Later, in small posts, I will put more on this thread and hoped I don't get bained for the effort, which has happened when I've tried to explain in one rational post.
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Re: Sandy Hook: How does a 110 lbs kid (working alone)...
Parties Involved
-2 operatives (both on duty police)
-1 cleaner (civilian)
-1 patsy (Adam Lanza)

Operation Prep (again I had to speculate for this part on what "likely" happened as there is 0 information about what took place at Adam's house... other then the mom died... weapons and her car were taken, and his computer was smashed.)

2 on duty police (1 car) go to Adams moms house early in the morning of the event and go up to her door and knock. They wake her up (still in pajama's which match official story), and tell her a distraction story to gain access to the house (such as your older son "Ryan" has been killed). She lets them in and is frantic as one would expect. They ask is anyone else in the house (knowing there is) then offers something like "would you like me to take Adam for a drive while the other officer gives you the details? Adam is fairly young, and has a mental illness (aspergers) so she would likely prefer that he not see/hear this right now as he wouldn't easily understand. The mom calls down for Adam to come upstairs. People suffering from aspergers even at Adams age normally don't like doing things when told by someone they don't know, and Adam's mom likely told Adam to go with and do whatever this man tells you (otherwise he would likely go into a fit of frustration if his mom wasn't the one that told him, but if she did he would likely be more then willing to do what was asked... his mom tells him to do it... they are police... there is no threat... he knows nothing about the fake Ryan dead story being told to his mother). The officer then brings Adam outside and puts him in the back of the police car and goes back in and makes up a lie about "another" police being out there to drive Adam around while we discuss the details (meanwhile Adam is actually outside in the back of the police car alone). They then start feeding her more details about Ryans death (all made up of course) and ask her if she has anything of Ryan's such as a picture or ideally an old ID (I know when I was that age I use to keep my old ID's... I would give them to my mom and say "I don't know if I still need this", and she would just take it and store it somewhere). She goes to get it from her room upstairs. Once she is upstairs 1 police goes downstairs to gain access to and prep the 4 patsy guns, the other yells up stalling the mom asking her questions "what age was Ryan", "when was the last time you saw him"... and eventually makes his way up stairs as if hes having a hard time hearing her answers. She's in her room at this point looking for a picture/ID of Ryan, which we can assume she found (the ID found in Adams pocket... I'll get into that more later) and hands it to the officer which is now standing in/near her room (most likely right in the door to her room). The 2nd police then makes his way upstairs with 1 of the 4 guns (AR) and shoot her dead on the bed (matches official story). They go downstairs and smash his computer (matches official story, and is used to draw extra attention to Adam being the killer... why else would he smash his computer right? also to possibly destroy some form of traceable evidence (maybe they also spoke to Adam via the internet before all this went down)) Anyways, they then take the 4 prepped and ready weapons (1 of which was used to kill her... again matching official story), grab her car keys (match official story) and put the weapons in the trunks of the car(s) (2 in each car... 1 pistol & 1 AR in the police car with 1 police & Adam and 1 pistol & 1 shotgun in Adam's moms car which the other officer will now drive).

Once the mother is killed, the patsy vehicle is obtained, the patsy is obtained, and the patsy weapons are obtained they make a call to their civilian counterpart (the cleaner) to make sure he is in position. The cleaner arrives at the school well before the shooting, for a legitimate reason and is buzzed in willingly (in this SPECIFIC case the cleaner was their helping his daughters class build gingerbread houses... her class was not shot up and this mans daughter lived the event unharmed... go figure). Anyways the cleaners first job is complete, he has access to the inside of the school well before the shooting, gets the call from the 2 police and says he's in position and will be ready at the "scheduled time".

So just to clarify before going into the op itself... that's 3 cars total, 4 people total.
-Adam's Moms car = operative 1... 1 pistol + 1 shotgun = On way to school
-1 Police Car = operative 2 + patsy Adam... 1 pistol + 1 AR = On way to school
-Cleaners Car = no weapons = At school ahead of time

Also before going into the op I should mention the clothing adjustments that would be made before arriving at the school (you will see why this is important in a minute).
Operative 1 = Mask, Dark Jacket (with dark shirt), Camo Pants, Gloves... with his police uniform under it
Operative 2 = Mask (not wearing yet), Dark Jacket (with dark shirt), Camo Pants, Gloves (not wearing yet).... also with his police uniform under it
***Not that WITHOUT the MASK on these outfits would not draw a lot of suspicious attention (dark jacket/camo pants)... fact is you could blend in fairly well with it (until shots are fired that is).
Adam = Irrelevant
Cleaner = Irrelevant


The Black Op
The 2 operatives show up at the school in their 2 separate vehicles at around the same time (again both are dressed the same... this is a key point to remember). Operative 1's job is to breech the front door and take care of the administrative staff, Operative 2's job is the 2 classroom (with his entry made though the back door)... both men will "appear" to be the same person based on eyewitness accounts (due to them looking identical and never being seen at the same place at the same time... ever see the movie Inside Man?).

So basically how I see it going down...

Operative 1 arrives in Adams moms car puts his mask/gloves on (again dressed in a dark shirt & jacket with camo pants), goes to his trunk and grabs the 2 weapons he has (1 pistol, 1 shotgun) and heads to the entrance of the school (he doesn't have to be subtle about it... people are going to think hes Adam in a few minutes... and why wouldn't they... everything lines up so far). At the same time Operative 2 gets out of the police car (again wearing a dark shirt & jacket with camo pants & gloves), puts the mask in his pocket & also grabs the 2 weapons he has from the trunk (1 pistol, 1 AR). Operative 2 would have to be more subtle then Operative 1 as he will be entering from an "unofficial" entry point (the back door) so the pistol would be 100% hidden, and the AR would be tucked under his jacket as much as possible (the patsy Adam would be made to walk in front of him to assist in hiding the mostly concealed AR as they make their way towards the back of the school). Also anyone in the area that is paying attention to their surroundings would be more focused on Op 1 which blatantly has a mask on with an exposed shotgun in hand on the front lawn (so Op 2 would have little issue being basically unnoticed making his way to the back entrance with the needed patsy).

OK so quick update
-Operative 1 going towards front entrance, mask and all, holding a shotgun...
-Operative 2 going towards the back entrance, mask hidden, guns hidden, with the Patsy Adam...
-Cleaner inside the school waiting for his signal to open the back door (signal being front entrance breech).

Operative 1 then uses the shotgun (first shots fired) to blow out the "bulletproof" security glass of the front entrance door making his way into the school... keep in mind multiple shots would be needed to do this... even with a high powered shotgun (the official story is he used a total of 16 AR rounds to breech the front door which I believe to be false).

The Cleaner hearing his signal (entrance breech) opens the back door of the school and lets Operative 2 & Adam into the school. The schools security system at this point would light up letting the secretary know the back door has been opened from the inside... except a second after being let in the school's power goes out.....
"We were just in the middle of gym, when we heard gunshots, then the power (muffled) went out."
[link to www.yankeewaterfowler.net]

All video surveillance, and power locks at this point stopped working (go figure).
"Once the shooting began, Mr Varga tried to lock the door to the conference room. When he found out the door would not lock, the teacher then ran down a smoke-filled hallway to safety but turned back to help his fellow staff escape."
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

After the power goes out operative 2 enters and gets into position outside the first target classroom putting on his mask and waiting for his signal (his signal being operative 1's pistol fire to finish).

Operative 1 just entering the school through the hole he breached, uses the pistol to shoot at the administrative office near the front of the school (where the principle was... or the people most likely to cause "trouble" from a black-op perspective)... from what I understand killing 4 adults and wounding 2 in this front area. He then starts making his way towards Operative 2 through the interior of the school.

Operative 2 at this time hearing his signal (pistol fire ending) waits ~5 seconds and then opens the first target classroom door and using the 1 AR shoots as many people as he can and then moves on to the 2nd classroom (again with the AR) and does the same then goes outside in the hall to meet up with the others.

So just as an update to this point both operatives, the cleaner and the patsy are now all together in the hallway outside of the 2 target classrooms and MOST the shooting that took place (at least the entrance/classroom shooting) is finished (although more shots will be fired).

Evidence Cleanup / Patsy Setup / "Official" Police Arrival
Operative 1 takes off his outfit (mask, gloves, dark shirt, dark jacket, camo pants) and gives it to the cleaner to wear which puts it on over his current clothing (the mask and gloves he takes but doesn't actually wear... these he will stash in his own car later on...). Operative 1 has his police uniform on under it.
While that is happening Operative 2 (who did the majority of the killing via the classrooms) makes his way to the front office shoots at the general "front door area" and again shooting at the administrative staff or whoever else happens to still be in that area (which is why AR rounds are found there... only because they lapped back). Anyways operative 2 then makes his way back to the other operative (which is now in his police uniform) and also takes off his outfit (mask, gloves, dark shirt, dark jacket, camo pants) but this time they put it on Adam. Operative 2 is also wearing his police uniform under it.
...so basically the lookout now looks like op 1 (minus the mask/gloves which he has but is not wearing), Adam now looks like op 2... as seen by witnesses in the school they assume it's the same 1 person (due to looking the same yet never being seen together), and the 2 operatives now look like police. Still with me?

Now at this point NO POLICE PRESENCE IS SAID TO BE ON SCENE (OFFICIALLY)... The majority of police took ~15 minutes after reports of shots being fired to arrive (mass police), BUT a few small amounts 1 car (of legit "good" police got there ~3 AFTER shots ended... so let me get this straight... no police were at/in the school while shooting was still happening huh?

"then police men came in, and they um just like asked if um he was in here. But then we had climbed to the closets and um we heard more gunshots..."
[link to www.yankeewaterfowler.net]

I REALLY hope that sinks in... Shooting happens, girl sees 2 police run by saying have you seen him? the children go and hide, seconds later more gunfire... The police they saw were the 2 operatives, they hadn't changed to their "on radio" police persona's quite yet (they were dressed as police at this point but not communicating officially on the police radios yet as the patsy was still alive and no other police are on scene yet... which is why they don't speak on the police radio for another ~2-3 minutes...). They were going around making sure that no one would witness the patsy "suicide" that they were about to do seconds later... the 2 operatives were basically running around telling everyone to stay hidden (stay the fuck out of the halls... we are trying to kill/frame a patsy damn it... can't have you guys witnessing this... you get the jist). After running around the immediate area making sure the coast is clear... they shoot Adam the patsy in the head (the shot(s) heard after the girl saw police) using the 1 pistol that up to this point hadn't been used (operative 2's pistol... since he used the AR for all his classroom killing, and the other pistol was used at the front of the school) and they also put his brothers ID in his pocket to cause added confusion early on, especially since the idea of Ryan being dead was used at the start of the op to gain access to Adam's house... the ID is to cover any tracks about "that" story which they used to fool the mom before any of this began (in case someone overheard their original story told to the mom earlier somehow, about Ryan being dead... the early accounts of the killer being Ryan would wipe those accounts out (think of how an "echo" works in Minority Report...)).

The cleaner at this point grabs all "inconsistent" evidence from the scene; the extra mask, the extra gloves (puts in his own car), and by accident takes the shotgun (puts in Adam's moms trunk) and heads back to the schools back door... let me explain, I think they fucked up here. The shotgun was used to blow open the front door, but never to actually kill anyone. The cleaner when removing "inconsistent" evidence assumed the shotgun wasn't used (since he was at the back at the time and never first hand saw it used) and thought he was doing the right thing when removing it to match "what would be expected at the scene" and the operative that would of told him "no wait leave it I used that" was to busy running around the halls making sure nothing was being seen (until they killed Adam). This would normally not be an issue but one of the police on scene 5 minutes later (which is operative 2) accidentally announces it on scene (because he remembers op 1 having it, and didn't see the cleaner take it) when by this time the shotgun had actually been put in Adam's moms trunk by the cleaner... oops.

Well that brings you to about here...

Police Scanners after shots are first reported...

...which start as police are just first getting any reports of a shooting/issue at the school, and it takes 2-3 minutes for a small number of (2) "good" police to arrive... yet 2 "bad" police are magically inside before all this happens and just randomly pop up in the conversation already inside the school. The 2 operatives now in their full police persona first start using their police radios when other police arrive on scene (2-3 minutes after all shooting stops). They tell the just arriving police to cover the entrance (and don't explain how they just out of nowhere appear on the radio inside the school... no we are arriving on the scene... no we are making our way into the school... no we are looking for injuries/deaths or a suspect.... nothing... just outta nowhere when more police arrive they start communicating on the radio and are already inside the school... and keep in mind this recording is from before shots were ever reported being fired... so there is no reason it would not have any mention of the FIRST 2 police "arriving" at the scene.. it has a lot of audio proof of the 2nd squad car pulling in, them getting out, and every detail about what they do after that point... but not the 2 bad cops... they just appear out of nowhere inside). 1 of these 2 "bad" police is also involved in a lot of the important "on record" events of the day which are also caught in that recording such as...

Op 2 chases down 2 "shadows" that were seen running to the back of the school (which was actually him and the other op scoping out the current police situation but their shadows were seen by a a teacher who was on the phone with police dispatch at that time...). Op 2 over the radio pretends to see "them" (2) coming at him and pretends to chase them (its really them that's running)... he then ~1 minute later says hes detained A (1) suspect (2 people become 1) and then very shortly after is back in the school (he didn't actually detain anyone so 1 becomes 0... he said what he did just so more cops didn't come to the back door yet... AKA I got the situation handled... and they will get their planned (1) person taken into custody in a couple of minutes).

Op 2 also announces finding the first bodies, yet doesn't ask for more emergency vehicles (at this point the police don't think anything major at all has happened other then shots fired and the front door is blown out... repeatedly in the early part of that recording the police dispatch tells some of the ambulances they haven't been told to come yet so don't... because they though it was a small scale thing... not a bloodbath... no matter where op 2 was if he saw a hurt/dead body based on the official line (front office, classroom 1, classroom 2)... at least 3 other dead bodies would have to also be with that injured/dead person... why no mention "we got a mass slaughter here... much worse when we originally thought... send massive emergency response... NOW...). Instead he just brushes it off as something like "ya I found some bodies" (and half the message gets muffled out and is basically ignored by dispatch as I doubt they even heard him say what he said due to the lack of response after that was said).

Op 2 also finds the suspects (Adam) body... busy day for a single cop wouldn't you say... all the while op 1 is on the radio basically drawing attention mainly to the front of the school (or the roof)... anything to draw attention away from where all the action is (the back) for as long as possible (the cleaner is most likely doing final adjustments of on scenes forensic evidence to make sure it all looks good).

Anyways the 2 operatives (police) at this point start blending into the other police presence that is just now arriving and would be able to tell a seemingly honest account of what happened up to that point.

The cleaner waits near the back of the school (~15 mins) until he is finally detained (once the mass police presence is able to get there and they finally have the manpower on scene to actually do something). Him getting detained away from his car was crucial since it has the "inconsistent" evidence in it (if he was detained in his car they would search it... but there is a way around that).

The cleaner having a valid story (I was here making gingerbread houses with my daughters class) and being let into the school willing (buzzed in legit), and no sign of being part of a crime (no blood on clothing, no evidence of shooting a gun, having a daughter in the school, and having his 2 operative buddies vouching for him) they clear him to leave (with his car which would of never been searched as of yet). As he's leaving he would be stopped again in his car by roadblocks, but he could simply say I was already cleared, the officer would confirm this over the radio, and once confirmed let him on his way (again not searching the car... see why getting detained outside of his car becomes so crucial?).
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i have no doubt that a lot of your scenario is based
on the sketchy information that was bandied about during
those hours, and all of the scraps of information that
followed.

what baffles me is what possible reason and motive can
there be for all of such elaborate subterfuge.
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Its called soft targets
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Update.... Confirmed, AR-15 in mother's car. Not brought in the school! Here we go!


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and the coroner clearly states that all the wounds
were cause by the "long gun".


wtfwtfwtfwtfwtfwtf
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here is part 3 of my in-depth coverage and research into the Sandy Hook conspiracy: [link to www.brendanhunt.com]
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and the coroner clearly states that all the wounds
were cause by the "long gun".


wtfwtfwtfwtfwtfwtf
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and yet the coroner clearly states that all the wounds
were made by "the long gun".

THIS IS VERY STRANGE

we have this YouTube video of an NBC News broadcast saying
that the AR-15 was not used at Sandy Hook.

BUT, i cant' find any direct websites where NBC is
saying this again in print. the only references to this
NBC-youtube report are found on "fringe" websites.

and a google search turns up no other significant mentions
of this new astounding information.

is the YouTube "NBC News" video a forgery?

wtf

wtf wtf

wtf
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and yet the coroner clearly states that all the wounds
were made by "the long gun".

THIS IS VERY STRANGE

we have this YouTube video of an NBC News broadcast saying
that the AR-15 was not used at Sandy Hook.

BUT, i cant' find any direct websites where NBC is
saying this again in print. the only references to this
NBC-youtube report are found on "fringe" websites.

and a google search turns up no other significant mentions
of this new astounding information.

is the YouTube "NBC News" video a forgery?

wtf

wtf wtf

wtf
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Jesus I hope this NO AR bullshit dies in a fire (distraction story)... it's not NEW at all...

That's a news report from the DAY OF THE EVENT... it is old FALSE information that is no longer relevant. Please stay focused on the real information please... and try not to fall for every distraction put in front of your face (and for the record NOT a single printed news report backs up that NBC video fake claim).
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and yet the coroner clearly states that all the wounds
were made by "the long gun".

THIS IS VERY STRANGE

we have this YouTube video of an NBC News broadcast saying
that the AR-15 was not used at Sandy Hook.

BUT, i cant' find any direct websites where NBC is
saying this again in print. the only references to this
NBC-youtube report are found on "fringe" websites.

and a google search turns up no other significant mentions
of this new astounding information.

is the YouTube "NBC News" video a forgery?

wtf

wtf wtf

wtf
 Quoting: Dr Einstein


Jesus I hope this NO AR bullshit dies in a fire (distraction story)... it's not NEW at all...

That's a news report from the DAY OF THE EVENT... it is old FALSE information that is no longer relevant. Please stay focused on the real information please... and try not to fall for every distraction put in front of your face (and for the record NOT a single printed news report backs up that NBC video fake claim).
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i feel like i'm chasing around trying to kill rats
with a fly swatter with this thing.
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the people of Sandy Hook are doing violence to
the deaths and memory of all the dead children
by not revealing the truth of what happened in Sandy Hook.
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i feel like i'm chasing around trying to kill rats
with a fly swatter with this thing.
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The constantly changing news reports are by design as I have said before.

Here is how a black op works (full op details on page 4)...

Once the operation is complete its all about media spin... how do you control people's opinions best? CONFUSION! Feed their little brains so much contradictory info, retracting and changing it constantly so that in the end barely anyone can piece it all together(based on having 10,000 versions of the story in their head all at once, all of which contradict each other)... you think all the "accidental" contradictory story's in the MSM are by accident?...

And from the looks of it this confusion technique being used by the MSM is working like a charm for them (as a lot of people seem to be getting distracted by untrue and later retracted news reports just as planned).
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with a fly swatter with this thing.
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The constantly changing news reports are by design as I have said before.

Here is how a black op works (full op details on page 4)...

Once the operation is complete its all about media spin... how do you control people's opinions best? CONFUSION! Feed their little brains so much contradictory info, retracting and changing it constantly so that in the end barely anyone can piece it all together(based on having 10,000 versions of the story in their head all at once, all of which contradict each other)... you think all the "accidental" contradictory story's in the MSM are by accident?...

And from the looks of it this confusion technique being used by the MSM is working like a charm for them (as a lot of people seem to be getting distracted by untrue and later retracted news reports just as planned).
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some of the scenarios i've read make this sound like
a training exercise for some bizarre assassination squad,
and Sandy Hook Elementary School was nothing more than a "proving grounds".
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some of the scenarios i've read make this sound like
a training exercise for some bizarre assassination squad,
and Sandy Hook Elementary School was nothing more than a "proving grounds".
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