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BRKG: Cops Responding To Shootout With Federal Officials, LA Times Confirms Dorner. Update: Dorner May Have Died In Fiery Blaze, Or Escaped

 
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WOW - was that the ammo as it was being burned or was it a shootout or just cops shooting - does anyone know? I can't figure which it is......
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They had a vehicle ripping down walls?

"According to a law enforcement source, police had broken down windows, pumped in tear gas and blasted a loud speaker urging Dorner to surrender. When they got no response, police deployed a vehicle to rip down the walls of the cabin "one by one, like peeling an onion," a law enforcement official said.
By the time they got to the last wall, authorities heard a single gunshot, the source said. Then flames began to spread through the structure, and gunshots, probably set off by the fire, were heard."
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WOW - was that the ammo as it was being burned or was it a shootout or just cops shooting - does anyone know? I can't figure which it is......
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This was MUCH earlier than the burning. It was a shootout that happened hours before the place was burned down.
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CNN confirming Dorner dead in the cabin.

"Pumped gas into the cabin and the conflagration resulted".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21571778


He's dead AGAIN? Every five pages on here, he's dead, then the next four pages say that he's not dead, media retracted, on and on. Does this man have more than nine lives?



Tomorrow he shows up in Santa Barbara on the fishing pier.
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Maybe you should drink your milk and go beddy bye.
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1rof1 If they're that scared, they really shouldn't be in law enforcement ...armed suspect or not their in the wrong line of work...
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I don't think it's fear. I'd say it's making the best tactical decision.

Everyone can be Monday morning quarterbacks after it's all over.

Just saying.
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You're entitled to your opinion. I have mine. I sure as hell hope they were at least terrified out of their minds(still inexcusable) when they shot the two woman one of them who was 71 years old, and the surfer. If they're that terrified that they don't bother to verify the identities of those they are shooting at or even check to see if they resemble the suspect they are looking for THEY SHOULD NOT BE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. If they're not terrified it's just open warfare on citizens to both send a message-don't shoot cops-and to retaliate.
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Oh, I was speaking of the current ongoing situation at the cabin.

Didn't realize you were speaking on another incident.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34300716


I was speaking about their behavior throughout this whole ordeal. Not sure if you're aware but all an officer has to do is say he was scared and he will be cleared of any wrongful doing in any shooting incident. Everything from shooting a 2 year old with a pacifier to a 71 year old granny who doesn't even remotely resemble the suspect. Many officers exploit this. From those that are so scared they shouldn't be officers to those brazenly just out there committing crimes of their own. I say if you're that scared find another line of work.
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IS HE OFFICIALLY DEAD YET???? What is the update?!?!
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IS HE OFFICIALLY DEAD YET???? What is the update?!?!
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no there wont be confirmation of finding a body til earliest 8am
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Dorner’s Remains Apparently Recovered From Burned Out Cabin Following Deadly Standoff



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^^^^So where did this source from????????
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dont look burned
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Very hard to tell from this photo.....if it was even him....but let's say for argument's sake it is...He could be pretty burned up and you wouldn't be able to tell from this pic.
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that's because they took the picture with a UFO camera
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I was listening to the scanner most of the day. They burnt down the cabin intentionally. Media is lying.

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IS HE OFFICIALLY DEAD YET???? What is the update?!?!
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He's both. They're letting you pick the version you like best.
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wow kind of weird someone sitting in line of fire calmly filming this
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That was so faked.
I don't even know what else to say about that piece
of media bs.
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It appears as if this FF took a turn they weren't expecting and decided to end it earlier than planned.

They'd designed it to further rally us around the whole gun control debate, but apparently weren't expecting him to gain cult hero status as he was.

When they realized it was backfiring, they decided to abruptly pull the plug and this little show is the result.

Interesting how the timing of it all played out, with the 'story' breaking minutes before all the networks cut to the SOTU address, leaving most Americans with a passing image of a burning cabin and the thought, "well thats over now"...

/Shakes head
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I don't think it's fear. I'd say it's making the best tactical decision.

Everyone can be Monday morning quarterbacks after it's all over.

Just saying.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34300716


You're entitled to your opinion. I have mine. I sure as hell hope they were at least terrified out of their minds(still inexcusable) when they shot the two woman one of them who was 71 years old, and the surfer. If they're that terrified that they don't bother to verify the identities of those they are shooting at or even check to see if they resemble the suspect they are looking for THEY SHOULD NOT BE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. If they're not terrified it's just open warfare on citizens to both send a message-don't shoot cops-and to retaliate.
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Oh, I was speaking of the current ongoing situation at the cabin.

Didn't realize you were speaking on another incident.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34300716


I was speaking about their behavior throughout this whole ordeal. Not sure if you're aware but all an officer has to do is say he was scared and he will be cleared of any wrongful doing in any shooting incident. Everything from shooting a 2 year old with a pacifier to a 71 year old granny who doesn't even remotely resemble the suspect. Many officers exploit this. From those that are so scared they shouldn't be officers to those brazenly just out there committing crimes of their own. I say if you're that scared find another line of work.
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I was speaking from a tactical viewpoint on the current situation with the cabin. (possible armed suspect/hostage situation)

You sound emotional, and that clouds one's judgement in these situations.

I was just using logic. I don't have any axe to grind either way.
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Who's screaming?
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wow kind of weird someone sitting in line of fire calmly filming this
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Far as I'm concerned it's some random yahoo firing rounds into the air deep in the woods, or maybe even a speaker blasting loudly to make people think there was a shootout. He sure does seem calm sitting there in the car.
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I was listening to the scanner most of the day. They burnt down the cabin intentionally. Media is lying.


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BOOM!

bump

skull_fing

bump
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You're entitled to your opinion. I have mine. I sure as hell hope they were at least terrified out of their minds(still inexcusable) when they shot the two woman one of them who was 71 years old, and the surfer. If they're that terrified that they don't bother to verify the identities of those they are shooting at or even check to see if they resemble the suspect they are looking for THEY SHOULD NOT BE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. If they're not terrified it's just open warfare on citizens to both send a message-don't shoot cops-and to retaliate.
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Oh, I was speaking of the current ongoing situation at the cabin.

Didn't realize you were speaking on another incident.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34300716


I was speaking about their behavior throughout this whole ordeal. Not sure if you're aware but all an officer has to do is say he was scared and he will be cleared of any wrongful doing in any shooting incident. Everything from shooting a 2 year old with a pacifier to a 71 year old granny who doesn't even remotely resemble the suspect. Many officers exploit this. From those that are so scared they shouldn't be officers to those brazenly just out there committing crimes of their own. I say if you're that scared find another line of work.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34126320



I was speaking from a tactical viewpoint on the current situation with the cabin. (possible armed suspect/hostage situation)

You sound emotional, and that clouds one's judgement in these situations.

I was just using logic. I don't have any axe to grind either way.
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Emotional? No emotional about it. Just a citizen concerned about the safety of both myself and my family. That anyone finds this acceptable is beyond my comprehension. That 71 year old,her daughter and that surfer could have been anyone of us. It's inexcusable. They cannot be allowed to run around behaving like this.
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wow kind of weird someone sitting in line of fire calmly filming this
 Quoting: Force King


Far as I'm concerned it's some random yahoo firing rounds into the air deep in the woods, or maybe even a speaker blasting loudly to make people think there was a shootout. He sure does seem calm sitting there in the car.
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yeah and no richochet? i mean just fact that people hes shooting at are in front of camera and number of rounds he was letting of youd think one hit that car or see shit flying from the truck...you mean he didnt shoot that shit more than that?
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Rambo was supposed to be killed in First Blood. They changed the script because of public opinion.
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wow kind of weird someone sitting in line of fire calmly filming this
 Quoting: Force King


Far as I'm concerned it's some random yahoo firing rounds into the air deep in the woods, or maybe even a speaker blasting loudly to make people think there was a shootout. He sure does seem calm sitting there in the car.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6277056


With the door wide open.
And none of the guys in front firing.
It sounds like a firing range was recorded.
It sounds like canned audio.

And if it's supposed to be some expert marksman shooting at them, it isn't hitting a damn thing.
Not richocheting of the cars or pavement.
He would take time and aim and shoot.
It's so "incredible" meaning not believeable as the
reporter herself says.
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So do we know how the fire was started?
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Yeah, he set fire to himself as a protest against the system. Ding dong the bitch is dead. Firkin yank cops are such turds. Can't even lay siege without pyrotechnics. HHOOHAAA!


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Oh, I was speaking of the current ongoing situation at the cabin.

Didn't realize you were speaking on another incident.
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I was speaking about their behavior throughout this whole ordeal. Not sure if you're aware but all an officer has to do is say he was scared and he will be cleared of any wrongful doing in any shooting incident. Everything from shooting a 2 year old with a pacifier to a 71 year old granny who doesn't even remotely resemble the suspect. Many officers exploit this. From those that are so scared they shouldn't be officers to those brazenly just out there committing crimes of their own. I say if you're that scared find another line of work.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34126320



I was speaking from a tactical viewpoint on the current situation with the cabin. (possible armed suspect/hostage situation)

You sound emotional, and that clouds one's judgement in these situations.

I was just using logic. I don't have any axe to grind either way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34300716


Emotional? No emotional about it. Just a citizen concerned about the safety of both myself and my family. That anyone finds this acceptable is beyond my comprehension. That 71 year old,her daughter and that surfer could have been anyone of us. It's inexcusable. They cannot be allowed to run around behaving like this.
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Each shooting will likely be presented to a grand jury and a shooting review board, and taken from there.

It's not a perfect world. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

I was more focused on the current cabin situation.
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wow kind of weird someone sitting in line of fire calmly filming this
 Quoting: Force King


Far as I'm concerned it's some random yahoo firing rounds into the air deep in the woods, or maybe even a speaker blasting loudly to make people think there was a shootout. He sure does seem calm sitting there in the car.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6277056


With the door wide open.
And none of the guys in front firing.
It sounds like a firing range was recorded.
It sounds like canned audio.

And if it's supposed to be some expert marksman shooting at them, it isn't hitting a damn thing.
Not richocheting of the cars or pavement.
He would take time and aim and shoot.
It's so "incredible" meaning not believeable as the
reporter herself says.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482838


i said same thing....number of shots "he" was firing he wouldve hit something and you wouldve saw shit flying
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The gunshots they heard could have been from the fire (heating the bullets) and I still can't find anything saying that a body has been found, only that the earlier statement (of a body) was retracted...

He led them right to the cabin (which makes no sense if you want to keep your hideout a secret, not to mention he let the hostages go...), killed one officer and wounded another. Then he hid inside? I said it in another thread and I'll say it here... False trail.

He bought that scuba gear for a reason, and I heard there's a lake very close by to that cabin.
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wow kind of weird someone sitting in line of fire calmly filming this
 Quoting: Force King


Far as I'm concerned it's some random yahoo firing rounds into the air deep in the woods, or maybe even a speaker blasting loudly to make people think there was a shootout. He sure does seem calm sitting there in the car.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6277056


With the door wide open.
And none of the guys in front firing.
It sounds like a firing range was recorded.
It sounds like canned audio.

And if it's supposed to be some expert marksman shooting at them, it isn't hitting a damn thing.
Not richocheting of the cars or pavement.
He would take time and aim and shoot.
It's so "incredible" meaning not believeable as the
reporter herself says.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482838


i said same thing....number of shots "he" was firing he wouldve hit something and you wouldve saw shit flying
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And here you have it. If the "shootout" was faked with the aid of Carter Evans, then everything else is faked today also.

Bet that.
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Rambo was supposed to be killed in First Blood. They changed the script because of public opinion.
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clappa
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I was speaking about their behavior throughout this whole ordeal. Not sure if you're aware but all an officer has to do is say he was scared and he will be cleared of any wrongful doing in any shooting incident. Everything from shooting a 2 year old with a pacifier to a 71 year old granny who doesn't even remotely resemble the suspect. Many officers exploit this. From those that are so scared they shouldn't be officers to those brazenly just out there committing crimes of their own. I say if you're that scared find another line of work.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34126320



I was speaking from a tactical viewpoint on the current situation with the cabin. (possible armed suspect/hostage situation)

You sound emotional, and that clouds one's judgement in these situations.

I was just using logic. I don't have any axe to grind either way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34300716


Emotional? No emotional about it. Just a citizen concerned about the safety of both myself and my family. That anyone finds this acceptable is beyond my comprehension. That 71 year old,her daughter and that surfer could have been anyone of us. It's inexcusable. They cannot be allowed to run around behaving like this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34126320


Each shooting will likely be presented to a grand jury and a shooting review board, and taken from there.

It's not a perfect world. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

I was more focused on the current cabin situation.
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Actually no. That's not how it works here, not sure if you are actually in Germany but it works differently here. As for the "It's not a perfect world. I wouldn't worry too much about it". Not my outlook on life...
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That was so faked.
I don't even know what else to say about that piece
of media bs.
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specially considering a man very likely to be armed and capable with a barret .50 cal amongst other high powered weaponery is close , and the hide behind a flimsy little ute.

where is any incoming fire?

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