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The Most Honest Thread You'll Read Here--Laying it All On the Line for GLP | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 19932676  United States02/24/2013 07:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
simultaneous_final (OP) User ID: 34757436 United States02/24/2013 07:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Every single thing you said was a blatant, glaring contradiction. You can't profess to hold the degrees you claim you do when you obviously never successfully completed the 4th Grade. Quoting: SweetLilTT You can't possibly be a Christian if you're a Mason, and you can't possibly be the level of Masonry you claim, because if you were, you certainly wouldn't be here bragging about it. Lastly, your vulgar blasphemy of Jesus makes it quite apparent that the master you serve is the one who resides in the pits of hell. .   A subject observes itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself ad infinitum. |
| Pool User ID: 34173624  United Kingdom02/24/2013 07:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "God, unto whom all hearts are open, all desires known, and from whom no secrets are hid, cleanse the thoughts of our hearts by inspiration of Thy Holy Spirit, that we may perfectly love thee and worthily magnify thy holy name. " That comes from a little red book with The Ritual of the Holy Royal Arch on the first page. That passage is from the opening ceremony. Be leave me there currupt as hell but only on a local scale. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24864212 United States02/24/2013 07:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe in the Lord. I believe in the Lord of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I shamelessly worship the Lord--He is our Father--and a finer father, you could not have. Quoting: simultaneous_final I believe in Jesus. Yes, you read that correctly. I'm Jewish but I believe that Jesus was an exceptional son of the Lord. :japand2: No you don't. You cannot be a Freemason and a Christian, or a Jewish Christian. He never claimed to be a Christian. He only claimed to believe in Jesus as an exceptional son of the Lord. There is a massive difference. Many people of the Jewish faith believe in Jesus as a real, historic figure. That does not mean they view Jesus as the Messiah. It does not mean that they see Jesus as the Way, the Truth, and the Light... that none shall enter heaven, except through him. And that is the core of Christianity. You cannot be a Christian without it. Calling Jesus "an exceptional son of the Lord" is a clever use of vernacular, not a claim to Christian faith. |
| simultaneous_final (OP) User ID: 34757436 United States02/24/2013 07:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is this the same guy who said he uses hookers regularly and can score hot 20 somethings for 30 bucks and half an 8 ball? Good men better? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28606792 OP, did you say this? Yeah I said it. Somebody reported it and it got deleted. I won't lie about it. I'm not perfect. A subject observes itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself ad infinitum. |
| K.Kool User ID: 25298163  Australia02/24/2013 07:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35096685 Perhaps reading is not one of your strong points? If you had read the thread, I said that somebody I know has relatives who are Masons. The person I know was told by relatives that masturbation in coffins was part of THEIR (as in the relatives masturbated in a coffin) initiation. The web source would only be corroboration. I have PARENTS, GRANDPARENTS, AUNTS AND UNCLES in the Masons / Eastern Star / Rainbow Children and I know for a fact this isn't true. I trust my Family far more than I trust your "source". You know somebody who has 'relatives' in the Masons. Hmm..seems legit. I grew up in a Masonic household. I have been privy to a lot more than most people. I have close friends who have gone into the Craft. Funny, you can't even retort my comment without resulting to a personal attack, huh? Various lodges have different customs and rites. Which goes back to one of the previous posters who said NOT ALL MASONS are bad people. NOT ALL MASONS worship Lucifer. NOT ALL MASONS are deceptive and cold-hearted individuals. Would you like me to say all Christians are lying, cheating, stealing, hypocrites - that they are child molesters, rapists and genocidal/homicidal maniacs? Because if we're playing the all or nothing game we could easily turn the table on the Christian faith. But I digress, I am not that callous. I am not debating that individuals have their own consciences, but I do debate the philosophies, ideas and beliefs of the order. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17355042 United States02/24/2013 07:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christ taught that He was the one and only son of God, that He in fact WAS God, and that the only way to be forgiven was to believe in Him. Now, I have to agree with CS Lewis here....He didn't leave any room for good teacher or wise prophet talk....He was wither God in the flesh, or He was insane and should not be believed. There is ample proof He was in fact God via fulfilled prophecy and miracles, and I believe in Him and that He died for this world's sins. He is my savior. The God of Abraham and Moses is INDEED my God, the one and only. There is also obvious prophetic proof in the Bible to show that Israel would be reformed, that it would be surrounded by the exact people that are there today, and that everyone would be trying to destroy them. Also predicts everything we are seeing world politics, natural events, meteorites, etc etc. You kind of have to close your eyes really tight and keep telling yourself it's all coincidence. The Masons don't believe in the God of Abraham, Moses or Christ...they believe in the great architect and they believe in blood oaths, sacred vows having to do with getting your throat cut ear to ear if you tell their deep secrets, etc. Joseph Smith actually stole many of the Mason traditions and Mormons are told not to become Masons for this reason. I think the large majority of Masons are just guys into being in a club and getting away from the wifey sometimes. But at the heart of the group, things are not kosher. |
| K.Kool User ID: 25298163 Australia02/24/2013 07:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did you take this oath OP? "One of the earliest oaths taken by an initiate into Freemasonry includes the following: "I furthermore promise and swear I will not communicate the grand Masonic word except in the way and manner in which I received it and then only in a low breath. To all of which I solemnly and sincerely promise and swear to keep and perform the same without any equivocation, mental reservation or secret evasion of mind in me whatever, binding myself under no less penalty than that of having my body severed in twain, my bowels taken thence and with my body burned to ashes and those ashes scattered to the four winds of heaven so that there might remain name, trace nor remembrance no more forever of so vile a wretch as I... ." [link to www.pb.org] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 35099931  South Korea02/24/2013 07:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First, there are good and bad people in any grouping or organization of people. The difficulty in "organizations" such as Zionism, Masons, Judaism, or Christianity, is the organizations ALL tend to practice some form or ritualized Brain-Washing or Mind-Control. With the Pyramidal structure of most organizations, the folks in the middle or the bottom of the Pyramid never know what the REAL nature is of the members at the very TOP. Over time, these groups tend to be co-opted, or subverted by the Psychopath, or the Malignant, due to the uncontrollable lust for power and control of these types of deviants. The members tend to become complacent, or generally ignorant of the character of the deviant at the top of the organization. They tend to operate, in apparent innocence, to do the bidding of the uppermost deviant. These organizations are exclusionary, and secretive, and in the light of day their true nature is revealed. Study the character of the organization, it is the BEHAVIOR, not the WORDS, that need to be considered. Long term observation of behavior, and the consequences of that behavior is what will measure the true character of the Organization, or the Individual. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18370350  Canada02/24/2013 07:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you for sharing yourself with us, OP. There is nothing more courageous than vetting yourself in front of so many other people, especially when some are so mean spirited and hurtful. Thank you for being so courageous, and honest. Quoting: Rising Son To me, you seem like someone in which the old ways have joined the new, both literally and figuratively. Your mind is as open as any I've ever heard, and your humility is without comparison. I agree completely with the sentiment above. Well said Rising Son. Honesty... being honest with yourself... understanding yourself...knowing thyself... is part of loving yourself. If we were all more honest with ourselves, we would be able to find the path that suits us best, quicker and faster. The world you live in would be better for you as a result. Thank you for your courage in being so honest with us here. I will be honest with you as well. |
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| K.Kool User ID: 25298163 Australia02/24/2013 07:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | *facepalm* Since some people on here obviously do not read I will say it again. "The custom of substituting the word "God" with G-d in English is based on the traditional practice in Jewish law of giving God's Hebrew name a high degree of respect and reverence. When written or printed, God's Hebrew name (and many of the stand in names used to refer to God) cannot be erased or destroyed. (See below) There is no prohibition in Jewish law against writing out or erasing the word "God" in English. However, many Jews have afforded the word "God" with the same level of respect as the Hebrew equivalents. Because of this, many Jews substitute "God with G-d so that they can erase or dispose of the writing without showing disrespect to God. Some Jews also use G!d in the same way, utilizing the exclamation point to convey their enthusiasm for Judaism and God." [link to judaism.about.com] I don't understand why there would be a need to erase the word God, or its equivalents...? Please go back and read that again if you need clarification. And many Mainstream Churchians erase HaShem and prohibit the RUACH / HOLY SPIRIT from even entering into their "sanctuaries" which are little more than theaters or auditoriums for the performances they put on. I did, and I still can't see why there would be a need to erase the word unless one were trying to hide something. |
| simultaneous_final (OP) User ID: 34757436 United States02/24/2013 07:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hello. My real name is Jonathan. I'm a jeweller and businessman by trade. I have two bechelors degrees--one in Molecular Biology and another in Secondary Math Education. I have a master degree in Psychology. Quoting: simultaneous_final I am Jewish. I am NOT a Zionist. I am opposed to Zionism as an ideology. I respect the Lord. I am devoted to His commandments. I have failed many times and I certainly will fail again. But thank the Lord for forgiveness. Politically, I am a libertarian. I don't care about anyone's sexuality, drug use/abuse, religion or political affiliation. Believe it or not, you can be the complete opposite of me and yet I'll probably still like you--and I will certainly love you. You are you. I am me. We can get along--no matter what. I am a Mason. I am a Master Mason, a Companion of the Holy Royal Arch and a Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret. I'm not here to defend Masonry but I am happy to say that the "conspirasphere" has Masonry all wrong. Masonry is a way to make men into better men--charitable, just, neat, clean and Godly. Many here might disagree but Masons here KNOW. I believe in decorum. I believe in civility. I believe in respect. Life is good. Let's not foul it up with bullshit. Let's not revert to animals. That's what I say. I believe in the Lord. I believe in the Lord of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I shamelessly worship the Lord--He is our Father--and a finer father, you could not have. The Lord provides. Need I say more? I believe in Jesus. Yes, you read that correctly. I'm Jewish but I believe that Jesus was an exceptional son of the Lord. I've read the New Testament--several times with tears in my eyes. I believe that Jesus was sent here by the Lord and He did what had to be done--and ALL of us were beneficiaries of His life and death. I praise Jesus and I respect Christians. No finer people will you find in this world than the merciful followers of Jesus. Many will say that Christians are hateful but I only hope that these people have the chance to meet true followers of Jesus' words. Most importantly, I don't claim to "know" anything (in the hard sense). I am as much a fool as anyone else. I may have saved this for last but it is the most important thing I could say. Thanks for reading. You may find this thread to be pointless, and yet it is likely the most honest thing you will read tonight/today at GLP. G-d bless. As a Jew, do you believe the OT, or the Talmud, is the governing Scripture? Yes...BUT I am a critical thinker. Fair enough, but I didn't word my question carefully. Which is the governing Scripture, the OT or the Talmud? The Torah is the governing scripture--the books of Moses. However, as an open-minded fellow (in a Christian environment), I can not help but to have been exposed to Christian scriptures as well. Some are as pertinent to me as the whole of the Torah. A subject observes itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself ad infinitum. |
| just know User ID: 1617379 02/24/2013 07:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Freemasonry requires each Mason to believe that there is only one God and teaches that all men worship that one God, simply using a variety of different names. In the case of the Wiccan, he satisfies the requirement for belief in A Supreme Being by believing in the Horned god of Witchcraft. The Hindu may satisfy the requirement with faith in Vishnu. Clearly the members of these pagan religions do not worship the God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Rather, they worship demons as documented in 1 Corinthians 10:20-21. In lodge, prayers are offered to the Great Architect of the Universe (GAOTU). That name has been chosen so that Masons may pretend, or believe, that they all worship the same God, simply using different names in their private devotions. Scripture is clear on this matter; there is only one God (Isaiah 43:10, 44:6), but all men do not worship that one God. Pagans worship demons, as documented in 1 Corinthians 10:20-21. A question for the Christian Mason to ponder is this: What is happening when they engage in corporate Masonic prayer as one person offers a prayer to the GAOTU for all in lodge? Is Freemasonry tricking pagans into worshiping the God of the Bible, or are Christians being tricked into worshiping a demon? A question you might ask the Master is the following: "Is the god of Buddhists the God of the Bible?" If he says yes, you will know that he does not know the God of the Bible and the teachings of scripture. If he says no, then you will know that he does not believe that all Masons worship one God, simply using a variety of different names. Either way, the foundational teaching of Freemasonry, that Masons all worship the God of the Bible, is seen to be false. Hello. My real name is Jonathan. I'm a jeweller and businessman by trade. I have two bachelors degrees--one in Molecular Biology and another in Secondary Math Education. I have a master degree in Psychology. Quoting: simultaneous_final I am Jewish. I am NOT a Zionist. I am opposed to Zionism as an ideology. I respect the Lord. I am devoted to His commandments. I have failed many times and I certainly will fail again. But thank the Lord for forgiveness. Politically, I am a libertarian. I don't care about anyone's sexuality, drug use/abuse, religion or political affiliation. Believe it or not, you can be the complete opposite of me and yet I'll probably still like you--and I will certainly love you. You are you. I am me. We can get along--no matter what. I am a Mason. I am a Master Mason, a Companion of the Holy Royal Arch and a Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret. I'm not here to defend Masonry but I am happy to say that the "conspirasphere" has Masonry all wrong. Masonry is a way to make men into better men--charitable, just, neat, clean and Godly. Many here might disagree but Masons here KNOW. I believe in decorum. I believe in civility. I believe in respect. Life is good. Let's not foul it up with bullshit. Let's not revert to animals. That's what I say. I believe in the Lord. I believe in the Lord of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I shamelessly worship the Lord--He is our Father--and a finer father, you could not have. The Lord provides. Need I say more? I believe in Jesus. Yes, you read that correctly. I'm Jewish but I believe that Jesus was an exceptional son of the Lord. I've read the New Testament--several times with tears in my eyes. I believe that Jesus was sent here by the Lord and He did what had to be done--and ALL of us were beneficiaries of His life and death. I praise Jesus and I respect Christians. No finer people will you find in this world than the merciful followers of Jesus. Many will say that Christians are hateful but I only hope that these people have the chance to meet true followers of Jesus' words. Most importantly, I don't claim to "know" anything (in the hard sense). I am as much a fool as anyone else. I may have saved this for last but it is the most important thing I could say. Thanks for reading. You may find this thread to be pointless, and yet it is likely the most honest thing you will read tonight/today at GLP. G-d bless. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 33722728 United Kingdom02/24/2013 07:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP you dumb fuck! - 95% of Masons are just supposed to be ordinary know nothing members, because they are cover for the activities of the 'society within a society' |
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| simultaneous_final (OP) User ID: 34757436 United States02/24/2013 07:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did you take this oath OP? Quoting: K.Kool "One of the earliest oaths taken by an initiate into Freemasonry includes the following: "I furthermore promise and swear I will not communicate the grand Masonic word except in the way and manner in which I received it and then only in a low breath. To all of which I solemnly and sincerely promise and swear to keep and perform the same without any equivocation, mental reservation or secret evasion of mind in me whatever, binding myself under no less penalty than that of having my body severed in twain, my bowels taken thence and with my body burned to ashes and those ashes scattered to the four winds of heaven so that there might remain name, trace nor remembrance no more forever of so vile a wretch as I... ." [link to www.pb.org] Actually, no... A subject observes itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself ad infinitum. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22621726 Australia02/24/2013 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You sound like a very nice person. My question is this....Why do people feel the need to join an organisation and be defined by that? I won't join any group/religion etc because while I may resonate with certain things, there are lots that I don't. Then people will tell me that I am not really a Muslim, Christian, Catholic, Mason etc etc....Why bother? I am not comfortable with defining myself anymore, whether it be, sex, colour, age, country, religion and the rest. Why cant I just be me? Why have definitions for everything that cause separation between people. I was asked recently if I was a good Christian, I answered that I believed myself to be a good person, that I do my best to do no harm......2 days ago I was asked where I was from, I answered that I was born in Australia.....This answer was not good enough, the person requested more info, so I gave them the country of my mothers birth...Ah yes, the person said, you are from my country....What is your religion? I replied that I did not have one, he looked horrified and concerned, I think he groaned too and then said he was Muslim....I told him that I said I had no religion but that did not mean I did not have a belief/faith...He then asked if he could tell me something for my own good....I replied by telling him that I was ok and I wished him all the best, smiled and walked away.....I could hear him saying "but you are from my country!" as I walked away....I was just trying to ride the escalator! People are so stuck in their definitions they have created for themselves and are closed to those that sit outside that. I don't need defining or saving! Just my little rant, done now  |
| simultaneous_final (OP) User ID: 34757436 United States02/24/2013 08:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can't be a mason and a christian. You don't say you are a christian, just that you believe in something called 'The Lord'. Masonism is occult, the 'Lord' they worship is not God. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35106240  A subject observes itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself ad infinitum. |
| K.Kool User ID: 25298163 Australia02/24/2013 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did you take this oath OP? Quoting: K.Kool "One of the earliest oaths taken by an initiate into Freemasonry includes the following: "I furthermore promise and swear I will not communicate the grand Masonic word except in the way and manner in which I received it and then only in a low breath. To all of which I solemnly and sincerely promise and swear to keep and perform the same without any equivocation, mental reservation or secret evasion of mind in me whatever, binding myself under no less penalty than that of having my body severed in twain, my bowels taken thence and with my body burned to ashes and those ashes scattered to the four winds of heaven so that there might remain name, trace nor remembrance no more forever of so vile a wretch as I... ." [link to www.pb.org] Actually, no... A variation then? Would your honest open-ness permit you to post it? (thanks for replying to one of my questions ;) |
| simultaneous_final (OP) User ID: 34757436 United States02/24/2013 08:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you for sharing yourself with us, OP. There is nothing more courageous than vetting yourself in front of so many other people, especially when some are so mean spirited and hurtful. Thank you for being so courageous, and honest. Quoting: Rising Son To me, you seem like someone in which the old ways have joined the new, both literally and figuratively. Your mind is as open as any I've ever heard, and your humility is without comparison. I agree completely with the sentiment above. Well said Rising Son. Honesty... being honest with yourself... understanding yourself...knowing thyself... is part of loving yourself. If we were all more honest with ourselves, we would be able to find the path that suits us best, quicker and faster. The world you live in would be better for you as a result. Thank you for your courage in being so honest with us here. I will be honest with you as well. I appreciate the support. A subject observes itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself ad infinitum. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1862659 United States02/24/2013 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not here to argue. But you might be surprised to know that a man can not be a Mason unless he believes in G-d. First of all, Thank You. Second, I have two questions for you- I was told that no Man who is less than able bodied can become a Mason. Is this an accurate statement? What, if one exists, is the "Official" Masonic position on We The People's Constitutionally acknowledged right to keep & bare arms? |
| simultaneous_final (OP) User ID: 34757436 United States02/24/2013 08:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now I must say that you sound like a very honest guy, and I'm sure you really mean what you say, but that being said, I can see that you're a bit naive about what really goes on at the very top. Quoting: The Cryptic Mole 34963257 I AM at the top. Where is there to go from here? Life is good. A subject observes itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself ad infinitum. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 28353201 United States02/24/2013 08:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You don't find any contradiction or conflict between being a mason and believing in God? Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny You should. I'm not here to argue. But you might be surprised to know that a man can not be a Mason unless he believes in G-d. Not surprised at all. I've been around a bit, you know. And I'm not here to argue, either. But you might be surprised if you delved enough into both masonry and also what God reveals, to find that they are incompatible with each other. Diametrically opposed, in fact. I will leave it there. Your assumption doesn't have a premise. At the same time, you don't back up your premise. Anybody can say, I've read a lot of stuff on the internet about Masons...they worship demigods. Lets see it. The OP put it all out there. IMO, OP sounds like he has been involved with Masons for a while. He sounds like he has it together. And the OP doesn't want to sway your opinion, or challenge your belief. Perhaps he is a master of persuasion...but for myself, I'm going to look into it more closely. Then again, about half the families on my street are masons...and they are all God fearing people. |
| The Cryptic Mole User ID: 34963257 Canada02/24/2013 08:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now I must say that you sound like a very honest guy, and I'm sure you really mean what you say, but that being said, I can see that you're a bit naive about what really goes on at the very top. Quoting: The Cryptic Mole 34963257 I AM at the top. Where is there to go from here? Life is good. Well if that's true, well just maybe you're not being so honest. |
| simultaneous_final (OP) User ID: 34757436 United States02/24/2013 08:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am sick and tired of dumbass Masons telling me that their craft is just, as presented to the public. When Albert Pike pretty much spelled it all out in his works, when it is all over the dollar bill, the great seal and the layout of Washington. That is undeniable evidence of what the Masons really are! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33722728 OP you dumb fuck! - 95% of Masons are just supposed to be ordinary know nothing members, because they are cover for the activities of the 'society within a society' RIGHT ... So there's this organization that wastes a full "95%" of its resources just to GET ONE OVER ON YOU, RIGHT? DUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH... A subject observes itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself ad infinitum. |
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