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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
chaol (OP)
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cant believe there are no bsflags
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Hello!

Here is one more. bsflag

The funny thing is is that if 10 persons from the year 2520 started to post in this forum, they'd still get the same flags.

And if they told you they could receive communications from their devices in real time from the year 2520, they'd get a couple of more.

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I couldn't agree more... We lack a true universal theory.
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Yes!

But if it could be applied to any field...

it would not appear to be scientific at all, would it?

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I couldn't agree more... We lack a true universal theory.


Yes!

But if it could be applied to any field...

it would not appear to be scientific at all, would it?

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I guess not. A theory that cannot be disproved..nor ever proved in its entirety is certainly not scientific. To be proved, a theory of everything would have to be experimented on everything.
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Hello!

Other sciences could take a hint from computer science.

Today we have specialists who spend lengthy hours writing code. Their program (hopefully) performs the desired result.

Tomorrow we have people who write what they want. Quickly and efficiently.

"Natural language" programming is the future of your computer sciences.

Instead of a *specialist* spending hours writing in a language few understand, we will have *anyone* communicating in their own language.

The ability for anyone being able to perform an activity that only a specialist could before has a transformative effect on society. We take these for granted, but there are countless instances in our history where you simply could not do the simplest of things without much trouble. (Imagine having to fill out a form and get approval every time you wanted to use a computer and only IF you had the proper authority THEN you could use it.)

Why not extend this evolution to all sciences?

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I guess not. A theory that cannot be disproved..nor ever proved in its entirety is certainly not scientific. To be proved, a theory of everything would have to be experimented on everything.
 Quoting: gus 762059


Yes!

But to be proven useful, it would only have to be used once.

The more it is then used, the more useful it becomes.

Scientists here waste a lot of time doing what the general population could be doing. It requires a shift in thinking about "proof" and why scientific proof is necessary.

Why spend a long time proving (and arguing over the finer points of) something when it could just be used, instead?

The big difference is that only a few people can perform these tasks. So, the process is a lot more inefficient.

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I guess not. A theory that cannot be disproved..nor ever proved in its entirety is certainly not scientific. To be proved, a theory of everything would have to be experimented on everything.
 Quoting: gus 762059


One more thing!

Science would fail its own test.

"Science", as you know it, is not scientific.

So much emphasis is put on scientific proof of something but the foundation of science rests on shaky ground.

Some 'rigorous method' is needed, of course. But it is probably not science as we currently understand it.

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How can I change my perspective to go where you came from? Or anywhere for that matter. Although, wouldn't it be easier for me to learn these concepts there? Are there exercises I can do to practice this language to fully understand the concepts involved?
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This is one of the best threads I've ever stumbled across here.
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You mentioned that you were in Canada visiting your girlfriend, is she from here or your world?
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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How can I change my perspective to go where you came from? Or anywhere for that matter. Although, wouldn't it be easier for me to learn these concepts there? Are there exercises I can do to practice this language to fully understand the concepts involved?
 Quoting: sedrick 720021


Hello!

One's perspective is endlessly flexible.

However, we usually keep within a certain 'range' that is comfortable for us.

Changing your perspective is as simple as changing the representations that make up your world.

It is like asking ourselves every moment, "What is my world?". We usually decide our world is the one we're used to. The idea, then, is to get out of your perceptual comfort zone.

For example, if you were to tape a magnet to your hand for 3 weeks you would feel strange at first but after some time the magnet would become a part of you. You have thus expanded your perspective and would be able to sense more electromagnetic energies than you did before. You could probably even navigate via your internal sense of cardinal points. This is because you would have a new sense of what represents you.

We create representations to 'define' our self all the time. It is this group of representations that create the world you see. (Ecsys defines consciousness as the relationship between representations.)

So, very basically and practically-speaking:

1) find something that represents what it is you want to experience
2) interact with it
3) find something that better represents it
4) repeat

As I previously mentioned, someone from year 2000 cannot just appear in year 1000 and expect to experience much. They must first change their 'internal' representations for things. Because when they go to year 1000 everything is completely different and beyond what they'd expect.

They could:

1) gradually change their perspective to continuously embody new representations
2) intensely study the years 700-1200 (for example) so that they develop the internal flexibility to conceptualize what it means to perceive year 1000

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Hello!

Other sciences could take a hint from computer science.

Today we have specialists who spend lengthy hours writing code. Their program (hopefully) performs the desired result.

Tomorrow we have people who write what they want. Quickly and efficiently.

"Natural language" programming is the future of your computer sciences.

Instead of a *specialist* spending hours writing in a language few understand, we will have *anyone* communicating in their own language.

The ability for anyone being able to perform an activity that only a specialist could before has a transformative effect on society. We take these for granted, but there are countless instances in our history where you simply could not do the simplest of things without much trouble. (Imagine having to fill out a form and get approval every time you wanted to use a computer and only IF you had the proper authority THEN you could use it.)

Why not extend this evolution to all sciences?

Thanks.
 Quoting: chaol 183770

OP,
could we easily understand the code of someone elses natural language programming? I imagine that we would experience the output, but the language itself would appear as a black box system? Does that mean that only the originator would be able to modify it?
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Can you explain the timing of your appearance in our world/ Why now and why on this forum (or have you appeared before)?

Does it have anything to do with the upcoming shift of this sphere to Fourth Density?
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How can I change my perspective to go where you came from? Or anywhere for that matter. Although, wouldn't it be easier for me to learn these concepts there? Are there exercises I can do to practice this language to fully understand the concepts involved?
 Quoting: sedrick 720021


Farther!

It may help to think of a word that represents your desired state (or experience/perceptions) and internalize it. Make it your own language the way you friend's name is now.

Once it is represented internally it can be further perceived and experienced.

For example, Russian speakers use two distinct words to describe an objects possible blueness. 'Siniy' and 'goluboy'. To most Russians who have internalized these two words they can perceive the distinction whereas English speakers cannot. [A 2007 study by MIT researcher Jonathan Winawer]

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You mentioned that you were in Canada visiting your girlfriend, is she from here or your world?
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She is from here.

People have done stranger things for love, I suppose.

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An ion is structure.

A chaon is interaction.

1+3=4

Is there no direct interaction between structures?
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OP,
could we easily understand the code of someone elses natural language programming? I imagine that we would experience the output, but the language itself would appear as a black box system? Does that mean that only the originator would be able to modify it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 728812


Hello!

When this is developed it is most likely more open where anyone could modify it.

It would be the same as if you modified a co-worker's document. Usually a bit more formal English, as casual English can be very vague.

However, one's personal programming is adapted to your context. Most of the rich world would then have a Meaningful device that interprets your 'instructions'.

So you could take someone else's instructions but it may not work well until it learns more about you. Similar to neural net programming, I suppose. Except that each module competes for your attention and learns from the other modules.

So for example if you had two modules and weren't using one the system would make improvements to itself and then present itself (with permission) in a portal module that you do use. The more attention you give to it the more it knows what you like.

The whole system is not just typing out documents but is a more involved process and integrated with your daily life. For example, you would call up this module as easily as you would a friend, to "talk" to it and add to it.

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So much emphasis is put on scientific proof of something but the foundation of science rests on shaky ground.

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And examples of the shaky ground would be ...
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Can you explain the timing of your appearance in our world/ Why now and why on this forum (or have you appeared before)?

Does it have anything to do with the upcoming shift of this sphere to Fourth Density?
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Hello!

I'm a part of this world so thus interact accordingly, visiting websites, sipping drinks, and walking about.

I've not before been on this forum so am curious as to why my posting ID is lower than most others.

It is possible that other perspectives of mine have visited before. But I'm pretty sure I would know about it (kind of similar to knowing what your sister would do in a situation, except the sense is more vast).

My visit is entirely casual. Me visiting this world for a while would be like you visiting a website and staying a while. I first learned about it just exploring around. Then I got comfortable and decided to stay longer.

The way it works is a bit tricky to explain without the right words. But try to imagine that, once you appear somewhere you were always there to begin with.

To answer your question, my visit does not have anything to do with what you mentioned, not to say that such a shift or dimension exists.

Thanks.
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Just about yesterday I was talking to my friend and telling him that we lack the real technology that will make all our today boons obsolete.

I was high and telling him that the world is in reality a manifold that has converged in many points in such a way that they became self-aware. And they are able to behold this great manifold and so there is existance.

I speculated that due to the nature of termodynamics we are living in the world of most probable things. For example it could happen that you just fly up into the air but the probability for that is low, so we walk on earth.

All our since is trying to use those very probable things to make some less probable events more probable. Rocket science isn't easy.

I advanced that instead we should use some other kind of technology that would interact with probabilities flux and change it to our needs.

This way we wouldn't need to create complex things but just change the observers perspective into seeing things as it is required.

Now I found your thread and I am amazed at how close our ideas are.
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And examples of the shaky ground would be ...
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Hello!

I say that the scientific method cannot be tested scientifically because the foundations of the method rest upon assumptions independent from experience.

As someone has put it better than myself:

"..there are certain philosophical assumptions made at the base of the scientific method - namely, that reality is objective and consistent, that humans have the capacity to perceive reality accurately, and that rational explanations exist for elements of the real world. These assumptions are the basis of naturalism, the philosophy on which science is grounded.."

The nature of something cannot be observed independently of the observation (as it really is). There will always be "perception" of something, even if you are perceiving something through an apparatus.

Math is the only science that does not need to be based on reality. The other sciences, the natural sciences, do need to be based on reality.

Today's science does not test its core assumptions. Because that would mean the end of science as we know it. Why would it want to kill itself?

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Math is the only science that does not need to be based on reality. The other sciences, the natural sciences, do need to be based on reality.

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Hello again OP,
do you have anything to offer us of your understanding of prime numbers?

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I've not before been on this forum so am curious as to why my posting ID is lower than most others.

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The answer could be that your IPS reassigned you an IP that has been used in the past by anoter poster.
Are you posting from a public place?
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An ion is structure.

A chaon is interaction.

1+3=4

Is there no direct interaction between structures?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 728812


Hello!

Any two structures interacting together would use "chaon". (Meaning, without the interaction element they don't interact.)

Whenever you have two of something you have a relationship, which is where the "chaon" element comes into play.

In the primary model there is only 1, 2, 3, 5. This model exists for ease of use. However, this could be drawn out to include any other number as well.

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Math is the only science that does not need to be based on reality. The other sciences, the natural sciences, do need to be based on reality.


Hello again OP,
do you have anything to offer us of your understanding of prime numbers?

Thanks
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728812, do you think that there is someting special to understand of prime numbers?
Retorical question, of course; if you didn't think so, you wouldn't have formulated such a question.
Why don't you share what YOU think on the matter?

OP, I'm far from sure that "Math" can be labeled a "science", unless you are prepared to do the same for phylosophy, for example.

They are both "foundations" for science, which is quite different.

Have you experienced Jnani Yoga, Zen Buddhism and similar disciplines, OP?
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Hello again OP,
do you have anything to offer us of your understanding of prime numbers?

Thanks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 728812


Hello!

Prime numbers are just a display of symmetry. I suppose kind of like the mathematical difference between squiggly lines and a square. You can use the square to create useful things like tables, whereas setting your drink on a squiggly would be more amusing.

Fibonacci is also interesting as has its own symmetry that you don't readily see. For example, if you take any fibonacci number and multiply it by "123" the result is a number that has a difference from another fibonacci number of a fibonacci number.

For example, the 26th fibonacci number is 121,393.

Multiply that by 123 to get 14,931,339. Take the 36th fibonacci number (26th+10) and subtract it from 14,931,339 and you get 987, which is the 16th fibonacci number. (or, the 20th place number X 123 - 30th place number = 10th place number)

I won't get into prime numbers here. The squares are "too useful" for those who want to create other things besides pretty tables.

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what form of transportation did you use to get here?


Interesting!

An analogy would be the kind of transportation you would use to go to medical school.

There are many kinds of transportation. Each type serves a purpose appropriate to the intention.

A "time traveler" for example would be expected to use a machine to "travel through time". However, no such machine is required when you're manipulating time right now.

We have discovered that the the most elemental force in the universe is perspective. We use perspective to our advantage. Here, it is taken more for granted.

I sometimes go back and forth, although I spend most of my time here.

There is no 'transportation' between spaces because there is no space. Only perspective.

So, we change perspective. (You do this all the time, too. Most obvious is when you go to dream.)

Thanks.
 Quoting: chaol 183770


In other words you're a reality shifter. You're still you, you just mentally shifted into our universe within the multiverse.

Here in this universe, we call it reality shifting, quantum jumping and Law of Attraction. It's an emotional manipulation of the Multi-Verse and Wave Collapse interpretations of reality in order to shift into a desired reality.

All realities already exist according to the Multi-Verse interpretation of reality. By matching your emotional vibration and mental imagery to the vibration of the universe(outcome) you desire and feeling it now, the Wave Collapse interpretation cancels out the other universes from your perspective and leaves the one you want.

I assume that's how you got here.
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op do you believe there exists a single force at the center of all things i.e.-God that we are all connected at the highest of dimensions?

And related to this what do you think of the concept of 'nonduality'...that we are living in an illusion of seperateness from the source?
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...the world is in reality a manifold that has converged in many points in such a way that they became self-aware. And they are able to behold this great manifold and so there is existance.

I speculated that due to the nature of termodynamics we are living in the world of most probable things. For example it could happen that you just fly up into the air but the probability for that is low, so we walk on earth....
 Quoting: extradimensional template crea 762126


Quite interesting!

That must be some good stuff you're smoking.

Yes, we are experiencing not only the most probable things but the most relative things.

This dictates that (no matter what probability we're experiencing) we always experience the most relative.

So in each world you experience what is most relative. In this way, previous or future experiences change in real-time just as seemingly present ones do.

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The answer could be that your IPS reassigned you an IP that has been used in the past by anoter poster.
Are you posting from a public place?
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Private.

Thanks.

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