"A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." -- Who is she, and who is her son?

Book of Revelation is not arranged in Chronological order. They may never know the original order. As for your analysis of the dragon, it says the dragon swept which is a past tense use of the word sweep which leaves the door wide open regarding our idea of timing and Gods...



3rdDayRising

HI Math,

You are confusing things, watch Professor Larson's video
about the Star of Bethlehem. He is not Catholic but he
gets it.

There in the Heavens, it was presented by God...who is
who. The same as St. John's vision in Rev 12:1.

Ask yourself, if everyone identified in Revelation 12:1
is an individual, why is not the woman?

Yes, the "woman" can represent the Church but most important the "woman" above and beyond being the Church, it's obvious she is Mary.

Some day non-Catholic Christians, actually very soon will
change about what they have been taught about Mary and will understand who she is and her place in God's plan.

Mary is the "woman" in Genesis 3:15, Our Lord addresses
His dear mother as "woman" at the wedding of Cana and
again as "woman" in His words spoken from the cross
as He was dying! Mary is called the "woman" in the final
book of the Bible, in Revelation 12:1. She is important!!!

Do you see...?

It is Quetzalcoatl and KUKULCAN

Cuatzaloutl Imagine(the lady standing over the heat of the serpent in Nahuatl )kidnapped by the catholic church and wrong named Guadalupe is the latest "souvenir" the anunnakies leve in this planet. She has all the signs of the prophesy.

In Nahuatl Cuatzaloutl means the lady who stands over the head of the serpent... it means the serpent supports her. But the church says she is crushing the head of the serpent this is not true.
The serpent is the Sumerian god Enki our real creator.
the rest are just lies from the Roman fake church

For the last time, and it will be the last time for I waste not my time with confused individuals who are too stubborn to learn how to read.

The red dragon has seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadems,(Rev.12:3) We know that this is the same beast in Revelation 13 and is yet to come, when it does, the beast will hate the Harlot (USA) and at some point in the nearby future will consume her flesh and burn her with fire,(Rev.17:16) -- so the child cannot be JESUS


I quote the verses 'copy paste' -- read it as they are written.

Isis and Horus

You would think disbelievers would wake up after the
tragedy in Haiti. No, an explanation sharing Scripture quoting the Old and the New is denied and this
Star Trek BS (excuse me) is posted! I can't use the
word "believed."



There are no atheists in foxholes.

Let us compare Rev 5:9-10, Rev 7:9 and Rev 12:1,2,5:

Rev 5:9 And they sang a new song: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation.
Rev 5:10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.”

Rev 7:9 After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.

Rev 12:1 A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.
Rev 12:2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.
Rev 12:5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.

In Rev 5:9-10, we see that Jesus purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation. These people are to serve God and will reign on the earth. In Rev 7:9 we see a great multitude from every nation, tribe, people and language standing before God’s throne, wearing white robes. And in Rev 12: 5 we see that the Manchild will rule all the nations. The Manchild is seen snatched up to God’s throne. These three passages of Scripture obviously refer to the same people, the Manchild.

There has been a lot of controversy among Christians concerning how Israel will be saved. How will the Jews receive full redemption? Will it be due to evangelistic efforts of gentiles? Or will it be the rapture of gentile Christians that will convert Israel?

Eze 36:24 “ ‘For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land.
Eze 36:25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols.
Eze 36:26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.

The redemption of Israel will begin with “sprinkling of clean water”. Water of course refers to the word of God. Clean water will be sprinkled on Israelites, not the inaccurate doctrines that fill the churches today. How will this clean water come about?

Da 12:9 He replied, “Go your way, Daniel, because the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end.
Da 12:10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.

Daniel was told that the clean water (that will be sprinkled upon Israel) was closed up and sealed until the time of the end. In Revelation 5 we see the sealed clean water being handed over to Jesus at the beginning of the time of the end. As Daniel was told, “Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.” Notice that those who are able to understand the word that will be revealed during the end time will become perfect. Those who have given themselves over to wickedness will not be able to understand.


Since Rev 5:9-10 is connected to the breaking of the seals, it can be seen that the age sprinkling of the clean water will eventually lead to the birthing of the Manchild. The clean water will be directly sprinkled on Israelites (the 144000), but the Israelites will spread the clean water all over the world. That is how the Israelites will ultimately function as the woman of Revelation 12.

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You are
falling
for the wiles
of the Vatican beast who clothes itself as a lamb yet speaks as
a dragon. You cannot deify Mary and this is the very religion that was prevalent in Jesus Day regarding Diana of the Ephesians. Simon Magus was the first Pope and he was a leader in this worship which ties directly to the worship of Nimrod and Semiramis and later Tammuz and Ishtar.

They roll their cakes to the queen of Heaven...

Book of Revelation is not arranged in Chronological order.





'They' is the operative word.


Saint John is recounting his vision like a story, its proper to narrate certain events in past or present or future tenses so as the reader and those who must align themselves know the prophetic events to come.

The problem here is that you are all ignorant of the past and the language of the prophets. The scriptures are not to be used for any private interpretation and therefore they are written so that all may understand them in the same light with the holy ghost as their guide. If one doesn't have the key to understand them then one will never arrive at the correct meaning unless they search out this key and accept it as truth and then the eyes of your understanding will be opened and you will truly begin to understand what the prophets were really trying to convey to us.

These men spoke in a language plain to be understood by everyone throughout history until wicked men buried the truth from the rest of us and today we have men who claim to understand the mechanics of the universe but deceive themselves with many others in their pride and willful ignorance.
The key has always been there and it hasn't changed and is right there in plain sight for all to see. For example Isaiah wrote in this language because he had a sound true understanding of the past and thus of the future. He knew of the past calamities that had plagued his ancestors and wrote in the language that was commonly used to describe these epic events.
The earth was menaced by errant planetary bodies in the past and men described it the way they saw it using language that all understood to do so. These planetary bodies were seen of all men and was awe inspiring to say the least and was not easily forgotten. Thus you have scripture after scripture and myth after myth and legend after legend of these events. On the other hand you have people of today who have forgotten the past and who don't have a sound understanding of the true history of the earth.
These events happened and they are going to happen again.

The prophets could predict the future because they understood the past calamities. There won't be much difference between the past and the future except it will be in reverse order so that the earth will be restored to it's former glory and station. Study the Saturn myths and you will come to understand the language of the prophets and the past present and future of this planet. The earth is going to go through many changes and it's already started and the key to understanding Revelations, Isaiah and the rest of the prophecies and true history of this beautiful earth is to study the Saturn myths and legends of all ancient peoples and then your understanding will be quickened to comprehend what People like John the Revelator are really trying to convey.
I'll give you a hint the Woman is not a person but an ancient way of describing something that was seen by all people above in the Heavens during the Golden age of mankind or the Age of Kronos. Also remember that the prophets were using language the was inter-changeable thus having more than one meaning and describes more than one event using the same language which was common for the Israelite prophets. The woman also conveys the true church of Jesus Christ. God bless and i hope you find some meaning in my pitiful attempt to convey this to you.

You know i'm not saying it's not male, but i should say that not all versions of the book specify a gender of the child.

Yes, Jesus asked a very important question.

One the rich man did not answer.

But I have the correct answer.

I call Jesus good because Jesus is God.



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When did the Dragon become angry with Mary and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring, those who keep God's commandments and bear witness to Jesus?
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Rev.12:17 -- Then the dragon became angry with the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring, those who keep God's commandments and bear witness to Jesus.

Why then does Our Lord address Mary as "woman" many times
in Scripture, especially as He was dying on the cross.
Because very simply, God has a plan. He knew in the
beginning and He knows how it ends. Mary is the
"woman " in Genesis 3:15 and the "woman" in Revelation
12:1.

Watch Professor Larson's Youtube, #5. He is not Catholic
and discovered...there God writes it in the Heavens!
He can...with the stars...dear friend.

Mary is not God, she is not a false Goddess, she is the
mother of God. Jesus wishes everyone to honor and love
His mother...like the 4th Commandment. It doesn't have
to be one or the other. We worship God alone but we can love and honor His mother.

The one who really wants you to trash Our Lord's mother
is satan, part of his prideful fall.

Peter was the first Pope, His remains are there contained
under the high altar of the Vatican. Quit repeating such
nonsense! Magus was a heretic St. Peter corrects in
Scripture.

You refuse to look at all of Scripture and continue to
believe falsehoods!

Mother Earth and the galaxy.

Russia is not Magog.

Russia is the New Jerusalem.

God's Anointed Tsar will rule
from God's earthly throne.
He will reign over all 12 tribes
of Christian Israel. He will
destroy the Edomite antichrist
impostors and liberate the planet
from their evil and perversion.



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What happened to this woman?

tarrot cards are occult based interpitations for the supposed future of an indevidual ..designed and inspired by the occult practices.. which are illadvised in that it leads people to do dumb things . an example would be to pursue a love affair with married person.. invest in foolish stuff.. make foolish decisions that can negatively impact thier life for decades.. at the end of theBook of Revelations There is a dire warning for those who ingage in the practice of reading Tarrot cards or fortune telling . God Said Have No Other Gods Before Me.. well going to Horrorscopes and fortune tellers is putting them in charge of your future . Satan mislead his own people and laughts about it. ditch tarrot and fortune tellers and Horrorscopes for good.. Only God knows your future and he warns you to stay away from evil people cause they can lead you or cause you to ruin your life . . .. Th Lady with the Sun Moon and Stars is MARY and the child is the church.. The stars represent the Tribes Of Israel. ..

The moon having such a strong influence over the tides and the human emotions was the "Virgin of the Sea." Mar, the Sea, is the root of the name Mary.


12:1 A great sign was seen in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.

Esoterically, this is a symbol for the consciousness of the normal human personality after it has received both the Vision of "Son of man" and the Revelation of the "resurrection of the dead".

and the moon under her feet,
Esoterically, this demonstrates the control of the consciousness of the Knowledge of Truth over the 'unconscious'.

The woman is the mind, and clothed with the sun.


The sun is a symbol of the highest state of consciousness, Jesus, Ra, Mithra, Buddha etc..

In all sun god mythologies, the sun is always the highest state.


Here the symbolism is the woman (the mind) is now radiating this new consciousness, symbolized by being clothed with the sun. You mind has new raiment, has new garments, and these new garments are the sun/Jesus.


The moon is under the feet, because in all mythologies the moon represents the lower nature, which is sin, as sin is the Chaldean moon god.


This symbol represents that the mind is now under the influence of the higher aspect (the sun), and has control over the animal mind, represents as being under the feet, showing the domination over the lower lunar mind.


And the 12 stars represent the cosmic energy from the 12 signs of the zodiac.
The new mind or highest state of consciousness.

In general gold relates to the Sun or Higher Self and silver to the Moon or Lower Self.



The moon is more than just a pale satellite of interest to poets and astronomers. Its influence goes beyond merely creating ocean tides or driving biological cycles.


More importantly, the moon exerts a significant influence upon the mechanical, emotional, and psychological states in man.


The werewolf myth and superstition concerning full moon lunacy are not far from the truth. Certain lunar phases heighten the possibility for emotionally draining situations and stimulate reactivity and sensitivity in vulnerable individuals.


Personal observation reveals what numerous esoteric sources have explained at length, namely that we are food for the moon.



In man, the moon drives his mechanical aspects like a pendulum moving the gears of a clock. The degree to which one’s actions are driven by the moon is proportional to one’s level of reactivity and non-being.




For people incapable of moving themselves through life by nobler spiritual impulses, the moon provides a propulsive force. Without this force, mechanical individuals would be passive as puppets without a puppeteer.



Ouspensky went so far as to say that the very physical motion of our limbs was made possible thanks to the moon. Other Fourth Way initiates like Rodney Collin explained that because our body was largely made of water and the moon pulls on water to create the ocean tides, our bodies are made to move in similar but more complicated ways through hydraulic principles.


The quantity of force necessary to genuinely oppose the influence of the Moon is already considerable. The first imperative, then, is to stop wasting these forces, to turn off the taps which let the energy escape uselessly: sterile emotions, in particular negative emotions; fantasies from uncontrolled imagination; uncoordinated mental gymnastics, gossiping and chattering.



This is the MOON mind!!

The physical is under the control of the moon, but not the spiritual.

One who has learned to control the finer forces within themselves, it is the emotions.

These together form the microcosmic structure of the human body. The Sun represents the Higher Self and the Moon is a symbol of the Personality or lower ego mind.. Your task is to achieve the integration of the powers of these two triads whilst living in your physical body.


Who then is the woman clothed with the Sun? Clearly the 12 stars are the zodiac and the energy from these stars energising the 12 cranial nerves of your brain.

The Great Mother is symbolized by the Higher mind, received in the virgin consciousness of meditation. In the sky the Virgin in Pisces gives birth to the Monads as Stars, with the Solar and Lunar Selves.

It is the culmination and integration of your physical and spiritual forms.

And it is the meaning of the entire bible story.

God and Your Mind







JOSHUA MYTHOLOGY


In Joshua's story we find that he commanded the sun and moon to stand still, while he slew his enemies. Here again we are facing a fact within ourselves.

Every initiate must be able to command these forces within himself to be still, in other words he must be able to still his lower desires, so that this power can pass up the spine in safety and bring about illumination.


For we find that just below this passageway into the spinal chord is another plexus, the sacral plexus, called the "fish-gate", which leads directly to the creative organs.


If the lower desires are not stilled, this seed or "Fish" will be swallowed up by the generative fish or fire. The sacral region of man's body, near the base of the spinal column is of a spongy character into which is secreted from the blood, a small amount of oil, at the same time that the blood throws out refuse into the bladder.



In the East this gland is called Kundalini and in the New Testament is known in its Greek name Kardia. In the most healthy, wise and vigorous men the oils in this gland is a fixed oil.


In the average kind of man it is more or less volatile. This oil is known as the "Blood of Christ". This oil usually makes its way out again through the capillaries into the blood stream. This oil is the consciousness principle or illuminating substance of the body and therefore the healing power within the body for it is verily Life Essence and God Essence.




JOSHUA AND JERICHO

We have all heard the story and most of us have sung the song.

Joshua fought the battle of Jericho and the walls came tumbling down. After walking around the city SEVEN times.

Well of course this is also mythology and the proof of that is Jericho's walls are still standing.



But what does the story mean.


The ancient Biblical mythology says in Joshua 10:13 that as Joshua went through his battle, he commanded the sun to stand still. Of course this is not possible in a literal sense, but this is more important then a literal story. It is the story of the power at your command.


The scripture says” and the Sun stood still and the moon stayed until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies”. Your enemies are your thoughts and when we enter into meditation we cause the sun to rise up the chakras or seats to the crown where it becomes the Summer Solstice of the Soul pouring its healing rays down upon us.



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Revelation 12
6 -- The woman herself fled into the desert where she had a place prepared by God, that there she might be taken care of for twelve hundred and sixty days.

7 -- Then war broke out in heaven; Michael and his angels battled against the dragon. The dragon and its angels fought back,

8 -- but they did not prevail and there was no longer any place for them in heaven.

9 -- The huge dragon, the ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, who deceived the whole world, was thrown down to earth, and its angels were thrown down with it.

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After the woman gives birth and the child is caught up to GOD and his throne War breaks out in heaven and the Dragon is cast down to earth.

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13 -- When the dragon saw that it had been thrown down to the earth, it pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.

THE ABOVE IS END TIME EVENTS, AND HAVE YET TO HAPPEN.

You must explain before I go on reading the entire post.

Correct, Scripture says Scripture is hard to understand
and in another verse Scripture states it is not to be privately interpreted.

Why do you turn around and then say, it is fine to understand it by yourself? Your catch is "guided by the
Holy Spirit." Tell me, look at this thread, people can't
figure out 2000 years later nor agree who the "woman"
is? What happened to the Holy Spirit? Why is no one
agrees.

You are in error about who the Holy Spirit guides. God the
Holy Spirit guides the Church to interpret the meaning of Scripture not by our personal PRIVATE INTERPRETATION.

The pillar and foundation of truth is the Church. She
compiled the Canon of Scripture so she can interpret it.

The division by the thousands among non-Catholic Christians comes from this grave error. Private interpretation of
Scripture is not from God. It came from Martin Luther.

and Christ rules the Church they are the Tribes of Israel. Satan tries but cannot destroy the church ..Satan and his minions are destroyed ..

Revelation 12 says the huge red dragon awaiting to devour the child has seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadems,(Rev.12:3) We know that this is the same beast in Revelation 13 and is yet to come, when it does, the beast will hate the Harlot (USA) and at some point in the nearby future will consume her flesh and burn her with fire,(Rev.17:16) -- so the child cannot be JESUS

We also know that the seven churches are the first to be addressed in the Book of Revelation, and they are addressed as churches, not women.

'Woman' in the book of Revelation is in reference of cities. The woman that flees into the desert is a city and among the females many are pregnant and become pregnant and give birth to the future of generations (holy ones) who will be connected to Heaven to carry out the LORD'S plan for those who were left behind, they will possess the Covenant of GOD (BoE) and triumph.

"But the dragon becomes angry with the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring, those who keep God's commandments and bear witness to Jesus," (Rev.12:17) -- Remember the beast will wage war against the holy ones of the Most High.

Daniel 7
21 -- For, as I watched, that horn made war against the holy ones and was victorious

22 -- until the Ancient One arrived; judgment was pronounced in favor of the holy ones of the Most High, and the time came when the holy ones possessed the kingdom.

The city is Jerusalem fearing Nuclear attack by the beast (Iran,Russia) turning against the Harlot (USA) and Israel.

2012 is when the first beast of Revelation consumes and burns the Harlot with fire, Jerusalem flees into the desert. In addition, the Beast (europe) and the ten horns will be granted royal authority for 1hour (41.666 years) after they get rid of the USA (nuke war) and the Euro becomes the petrol-currency denomination of the whole wide World.

Revelation 17
12 -- The ten horns that you saw represent ten kings who have not yet been crowned; they will receive royal authority along with the beast for one hour.

This concludes this brief exercise of spiritual intellectualism.

Well, I'll give you a helpful clue...

She's NOT "Mary".