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I think most people involved in the event including most teachers, students and parents believe it happened just the way it was represented. Think about this, if custodian makes sure teachers are locked inside classrooms with students and all they have to go on is the noise on the loudspeaker (cans falling) and the smell of smoke (smokebomb?) and then they are hurridly evacuated to the firehouse, how are they going to know anything beyond what they are told. Meanwhile they are unwitting participants making it all seem believable. Most of the "activity" was confined to a very small area of the school. As I mentioned I think the 1st grade teacher and the school nurse were never meant to be part of the story, that's why their stories seem so strange and convoluted. I think they both saw what they were not supposed to see- due to the close proximity to the active area. Remember day one, School nurse was full of explicit information about the perp (I think she told the truth to the reporter) and the very next day her story changed to only seeing his boots. So most likelt K teacher's son was involved in some way with staging the scene...

As for the participant families, there are really only a few "core" families who are highly visable and vocal. The rest are what I call periphery. In my opinion, the families are probably a mix of covert operatives, these are people who moved to the area within 6 months prior, and local families who may have had federal charges pending and were "incentivized" to participate using both the carrot and the stick- I believe they were monetarily rewarded and pending charges dropped against them or loved ones. Some of these families may have been assigned fictional children. The core families are the same folks that are now "employed" to continue the narrative by giving book tours, guest lectures and even lawsuits(which I believe will never go to court).
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This is a great post on something I always believed: that the players were a mixture of agency folk, useful idiot locals who got their chance to become part of a top secret big govie operation, and compromised people (those facing a possible federal prison sentence or in the WPP, which is always a good labor source for slimy government ops). Remember the "Cowboy Hat Guy" from the Boston Marathon "bombing"? -- that knucklehead was paying off his federal debt for blowing up a fed agency van several years earlier: being a media-made "hero" kept him from a 20-gig in the federal clink.

The entire "L" family is a slew of vagaries. I also believe some of them were real, but were long gone from that area. Their characters were confusing composites, who some people "kind of remember" but not really prove they knew. Just ambiguous enough.
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Since we know people that are outside of Newtown were aware of the event...who would initiate it?

Also...how do you keep the narrative in check with the press?
Is there a chance we could get some honesty up in here?
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Great thread.
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Since we know people that are outside of Newtown were aware of the event...who would initiate it?

Also...how do you keep the narrative in check with the press?
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I believe 98% of the people there really believe the event was playing out exactly as advertised. This includes most of the emergency responders,press, onlookers, parents coming to pick up children, etc.

Remember only a handful of LE and medical personnel ever had access to any "bodies". Basically I guess you could say this was a drill that most participants believed was real. That's the beauty of it.

The players initiated the "event" as planned. File clerk triggers PA of shooting recording, LE is either already in the school or waiting in the wings to stage the event and custodian is doing his thing to lock down the scene. who else would be needed to initiate anything? Everything else is just an authentic response to what everyone thinks is a real event, including emergency responders who were never allowed in school and media being spoon fed the story. Really very few folks would need to be "in on it". I don't think any townies were knowingly involved in this. Of course they are playing a role in the event, they just think it is real...

Also remember, this is just fiction, as there is no proof and likely never will be. I am just trying to put the puzzle pieces together so they make some kind of logical sense. As we all know the story we have been given is nonsensical.
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Since we know people that are outside of Newtown were aware of the event...who would initiate it?

Also...how do you keep the narrative in check with the press?
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I believe 98% of the people there really believe the event was playing out exactly as advertised. This includes most of the emergency responders,press, onlookers, parents coming to pick up children, etc.

Remember only a handful of LE and medical personnel ever had access to any "bodies". Basically I guess you could say this was a drill that most participants believed was real. That's the beauty of it.

The players initiated the "event" as planned. File clerk triggers PA of shooting recording, LE is either already in the school or waiting in the wings to stage the event and custodian is doing his thing to lock down the scene. who else would be needed to initiate anything? Everything else is just an authentic response to what everyone thinks is a real event, including emergency responders who were never allowed in school and media being spoon fed the story. Really very few folks would need to be "in on it". I don't think any townies were knowingly involved in this. Of course they are playing a role in the event, they just think it is real...

Also remember, this is just fiction, as there is no proof and likely never will be. I am just trying to put the puzzle pieces together so they make some kind of logical sense. As we all know the story we have been given is nonsensical.
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Alright we have:

1. Time of event say...9:20am
2. Authorities switch frequency for emergency transmission for the town keeping it local
3. Someone in school initiates the event with recording of played over PA
4. Janitor locks all doors to keep all eyes in check.
5. 5 minute recording plays out and then school is evacuated.

This makes sense since everyone swears they here the janitor yelling " put the gun down ". Does he do this to make sure nobody comes out for a look?

6. Emergency transmission is sent out to all parent and teacher cell phones in school system about a shooting and all schools are put on lock down. This creates confusion as to what school and puts entire town on edge.

Something is missing but I get how this could work....I think I am having to excuse the lack of emotion that day and focus on how this can be done not my misgivings about what I think transpired.

7. Story line begins being introduced to the press in small parts...

I think the bit players have to be introduced at this point

Thoughts?
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Remember they didn't want anyone reporting on the story except those in the know, but even the seasoned reporters seemed to get the story messed up. They referenced anonymous sources or anyone that suited thier fancy. So who are we really to believe. I have been calling for an independent investigation all along to get to the bottom of this. I still believe the pen is mightier than the sword. We just need to keep talking about this. Keep posting until someone pays attention.
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"Organic" media outlets, who would actually report, would not be allowed within clearly marked boundaries, as they would be considered suspicious. Such outlets don't have boots on the ground anyway. Sort of like the velvet rope at a VIP nightclub, only certain people get in.

Corporo-governmental outlets (MSM) were allowed in to the staging area to regurgitate the controlled-press-release narrative (law enforcement / ME). Once the story was signed, sealed, and delivered as a media package, the characters (a few parents, Creepy Gene, Roi-g, etc.) were rolled out/unveiled to the public so the mass-market emotional brainwashing could be unleashed. I think this part would be easy -- actually kind of fun if you were a producer.

I can see this being done with minimal risk of leaks, especially when the emotion machine goes full throttle. A mass murder of 20 little kids is enough to shut off most TV viewers' sense of discernment, with reliance entirely on emotions. At that point, logic and common sense is out the window. The perps have done enough studies of human behavior to know this and how it could work.
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Theres a rumour its fake.
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"Organic" media outlets, who would actually report, would not be allowed within clearly marked boundaries, as they would be considered suspicious. Such outlets don't have boots on the ground anyway. Sort of like the velvet rope at a VIP nightclub, only certain people get in.

Corporo-governmental outlets (MSM) were allowed in to the staging area to regurgitate the controlled-press-release narrative (law enforcement / ME). Once the story was signed, sealed, and delivered as a media package, the characters (a few parents, Creepy Gene, Roi-g, etc.) were rolled out/unveiled to the public so the mass-market emotional brainwashing could be unleashed. I think this part would be easy -- actually kind of fun if you were a producer.

I can see this being done with minimal risk of leaks, especially when the emotion machine goes full throttle. A mass murder of 20 little kids is enough to shut off most TV viewers' sense of discernment, with reliance entirely on emotions. At that point, logic and common sense is out the window. The perps have done enough studies of human behavior to know this and how it could work.
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What if some students were recently transferred to the Sandy Hook school for affect. Meaning...they transferred a grade or two from another school and told them they were doing something...temporary...then that way it would not seem odd that nobody knew the victims....make sense?

Hmmm...not sure how that would work but just a thought.


So who do you hire on as the media " feed " if you will Who is the authority that feeds the media bits of info for them to chase?

Lastly....if you create the event at the school the police responding would have to either know about it or be briefed upon arrival. How would that work?

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initial reporting by CNN, at 3:22pm E.T, Dec 14, 2012

"It appears that another member of the alleged shooter's family is dead. A senior law enforcement official familiar with the investigation says a brother of the alleged shooter was found dead in a home searched in Hoboken, New Jersey. We already knew the suspect's mother was found dead in the elementary school."

How can you get this kind of very specific information wrong???
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Theres a rumour its fake.
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I would not doubt that this was an issue. At some point the unbelievable nature of the story line would make most people step back and say " this can't be happening " and when some are looking for confirmation and are left with no direction it makes sense that some would make this comment.
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initial reporting by CNN, at 3:22pm E.T, Dec 14, 2012

"It appears that another member of the alleged shooter's family is dead. A senior law enforcement official familiar with the investigation says a brother of the alleged shooter was found dead in a home searched in Hoboken, New Jersey. We already knew the suspect's mother was found dead in the elementary school."

How can you get this kind of very specific information wrong???
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Exactly. I remember all this info was relayed via a " senior law enforcement official" Nobody was directly quoted.

So who was feeding this info? Who would be put in charge of this?

Remember...don't go down the rabbit hole and try and prove wrongdoing. This experiment is to see how they could do it.
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"Organic" media outlets, who would actually report, would not be allowed within clearly marked boundaries, as they would be considered suspicious. Such outlets don't have boots on the ground anyway. Sort of like the velvet rope at a VIP nightclub, only certain people get in.

Corporo-governmental outlets (MSM) were allowed in to the staging area to regurgitate the controlled-press-release narrative (law enforcement / ME). Once the story was signed, sealed, and delivered as a media package, the characters (a few parents, Creepy Gene, Roi-g, etc.) were rolled out/unveiled to the public so the mass-market emotional brainwashing could be unleashed. I think this part would be easy -- actually kind of fun if you were a producer.

I can see this being done with minimal risk of leaks, especially when the emotion machine goes full throttle. A mass murder of 20 little kids is enough to shut off most TV viewers' sense of discernment, with reliance entirely on emotions. At that point, logic and common sense is out the window. The perps have done enough studies of human behavior to know this and how it could work.
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What if some students were recently transferred to the Sandy Hook school for affect. Meaning...they transferred a grade or two from another school and told them they were doing something...temporary...then that way it would not seem odd that nobody knew the victims....make sense?


Hmmm...not sure how that would work but just a thought.


So who do you hire on as the media " feed " if you will Who is the authority that feeds the media bits of info for them to chase?

Lastly....if you create the event at the school the police responding would have to either know about it or be briefed upon arrival. How would that work?
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S.H. was most likely conceived at Fed level with a select few state and local LE and med. personnel involved. BTW many local and state LE are also Natl guard, or former military...3 of the local LE first responders were also photographed at Boston Marathon Bombing in matching paramilitary uniforms.
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So you really dont need all the press on board...just feed them the story lines bit by bit. Mix in "wrong" info to give a real time fluid feel.

Ahhh....now I can see how this all worked.
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I don't think specific press is "recruited." There is an specific narrative. The officials plainly state their case and respond to no substantive questions (or just claim "we don't know yet"). The media story is the official government response, like the Soviet Union in the 1970's. The public's job is to weep and feel vulnerable.
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So you really dont need all the press on board...just feed them the story lines bit by bit. Mix in "wrong" info to give a real time fluid feel.

Ahhh....now I can see how this all worked.
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Exactly.

They had 2-3 years to plan the scenario all the way from the fake victim families moving in and assimilate into society, (including pictures, portfolio etc.) plus remember the handy dandy judgement to forbid public access to juvenile autopsies? Redaction is Sandy Hook's friend!

2-3 years for a story line is plenty enough time to create scenarios and stage crime scenes, even though they sure messed up some of those carefully crafted plans all right.

They're probably kicking themselves right now, thinking it was a good idea for an actor/fake father of a fake dead daughter do a press conference, no less risking an un-guarded smile right? And what quality control editor for the pre-shot footage allow that clip of hero responders rushing to save the day at Sandy Hook only it was at St. Rose of Lima? (Maybe they were the same editors that released and posted the picture of a live girl above a fake dead victim girl's name for over a week????)

There were children there at that school, of that I'm sure but only few. These few are the ones giving the necessary, "bang" "pop" witness account for their interviews with the press.

Probably the only ones at the scene NOT involved were the real, local residents, the local responders which as we all know, were not allowed inside the school and most (not all) of the press to feed the story lines.

All the parents and "looky loos" at the firehouse were actors. The looky-loo gawkers on the street corner across the firehouse as we noticed, weren't using their cell phones for pictures. What person in America wouldn't be using their phones to take pictures or be texting about the biggest thing to happen in their town?

These are the front participators.

Behind the scene participators include Vance, maybe some local officers, town Council, Governor, President and probably an unknown number of Gov. black op planners. (These creatures are way too deep down the rabbit hole to even wonder, no less check into.)
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Very nice breakdown AC 1048...


Your looky loo comment made me think of the arial footage of the firehouse/school parking lot.

My contention has been it was drone footage not helicopter. I don't think this type of clear non-stop footage of an event similar to this has ever been released...at least not as a news channel presenting raw footage of the day.

I think they felt it necessary to provide some sort of visual.

Is there a chance this footage would have been " produced? And what purpose would it have?

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Very nice breakdown AC 1048...


Your looky loo comment made me think of the arial footage of the firehouse/school parking lot.

My contention has been it was drone footage not helicopter. I don't think this type of clear non-stop footage of an event similar to this has ever been released...at least not as a news channel presenting raw footage of the day.

I think they felt it necessary to provide some sort of visual.

Is there a chance this footage would have been " produced? And what purpose would it have?

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Visuals are everything!!!

Knowing the public conscious relies on footage, they had to project a "hectic" scene so that projection was insured with back-up inserts, along with live footage. These visuals were prepared, quickly flashed by and absorbed. They remain so to this day.

If you look at all other school shootings such as Columbine and even a few months later in Georgia, you see real "hectic" with mass kids and parents semi-organized and unorganized evacuating from and looking for their children. [link to www.usatoday.com (secure)]

Not so with Sandy Hook, even though they tried to imitate it.

Because the school was set off and invisible from the road, they only had to concentrate on the front firehouse for the initial "hecticness." How convenient was THAT??? (About as convenient as long term planning.)

It's only when a few researchers "noticed" something odd and decided to slow those news clips down a bit and freeze shots.

Then the many QUESTIONS began and remain so, to this very day.
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So you really dont need all the press on board...just feed them the story lines bit by bit. Mix in "wrong" info to give a real time fluid feel.

Ahhh....now I can see how this all worked.
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Exactly.

They had 2-3 years to plan the scenario all the way from the fake victim families moving in and assimilate into society, (including pictures, portfolio etc.) plus remember the handy dandy judgement to forbid public access to juvenile autopsies? Redaction is Sandy Hook's friend!

2-3 years for a story line is plenty enough time to create scenarios and stage crime scenes, even though they sure messed up some of those carefully crafted plans all right.

They're probably kicking themselves right now, thinking it was a good idea for an actor/fake father of a fake dead daughter do a press conference, no less risking an un-guarded smile right? And what quality control editor for the pre-shot footage allow that clip of hero responders rushing to save the day at Sandy Hook only it was at St. Rose of Lima? (Maybe they were the same editors that released and posted the picture of a live girl above a fake dead victim girl's name for over a week????)

There were children there at that school, of that I'm sure but only few. These few are the ones giving the necessary, "bang" "pop" witness account for their interviews with the press.

Probably the only ones at the scene NOT involved were the real, local residents, the local responders which as we all know, were not allowed inside the school and most (not all) of the press to feed the story lines.

All the parents and "looky loos" at the firehouse were actors. The looky-loo gawkers on the street corner across the firehouse as we noticed, weren't using their cell phones for pictures. What person in America wouldn't be using their phones to take pictures or be texting about the biggest thing to happen in their town?

These are the front participators.

Behind the scene participators include Vance, maybe some local officers, town Council, Governor, President and probably an unknown number of Gov. black op planners. (These creatures are way too deep down the rabbit hole to even wonder, no less check into.)
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You said it. The president was there. He was probably part of this multi-situation drill. That's why it was highly classified and you guessed it (Top Secret)

Thats why all the gag orders and all the redactions.

Sandy Hook was an NLE

If you want to know who planned this look to some of Obamas top advisers and Lobby groups. These people who call themselves consultants may have had a strong hand in planning this NLE drill. I am thinking of one name in particular.

A multi situation exercise simulates several threats at the same time. That explains why every alphabet agency was there and several locations involved: Danbury Hospital, Hoboken Nj, the school and Lanzas house and let's not forget the church the following day had a bomb threat.
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And this also explained all the shilling.
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Most of this other stuff really is semantics.

If the drill is planned in a way that the cops must play out the scenario then the police dash cam footage should seem real enough. No issues there.

Remember Shannon Hicks said she heard about the shooting over the police scanner and hastily went to the event. Interesting that no other news agencies heard it via scanner and I am pretty sure most keep tabs on that sort of thing.

You have one " official police authority " feeding the information to the press for public consumption.

Then plan daily updates on "new" information to keep a curious press at bay.
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hope it comes out one day, before it's too late for any repercussions, it's a shame it hasn't with Trump


i've bitched about it but, obviously you're going to run into weirdness here about it but honestly until real stuff gets revealed like actual data on the planning and execution of Sandy Hook as a staged event it's gonna be hard to see Trump as being for real, or Wikileaks, or anyone claiming to be looking to really drain swamps or open governments.


I'm not really sure how the people that do this stuff live with it. Jamming kids up with 'mental health' screening and the gun control doesn't seem like something that will ultimately trump (heh) the terrorising, manipulation, gaslighting and fraud etc.


It's a shame, just a shame America and the rest is captive to this garbage.
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Most of this other stuff really is semantics.

If the drill is planned in a way that the cops must play out the scenario then the police dash cam footage should seem real enough. No issues there.

Remember Shannon Hicks said she heard about the shooting over the police scanner and hastily went to the event. Interesting that no other news agencies heard it via scanner and I am pretty sure most keep tabs on that sort of thing.

You have one " official police authority " feeding the information to the press for public consumption.

Then plan daily updates on "new" information to keep a curious press at bay.
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Good synopsis !
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The interesting part is the Homeland Security and all the other agencies at the event.

Heck they had snipers roaming around all dolled up....yes yes I know about " Sloppy Sniper Dude" heh

Okay you run the drill control the information....

Now you flood the scene with a mass of authoritative agencies to give everything validity?

As an aside; I thought it was silly to have the fire department people dressed up with helmets and even the fireproof/waterproof attire they wear when fighting fires all the way down to the boots for crying out loud. That made no sense whatsoever.

But it adds to the visual of all the important people.

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The interesting part is the Homeland Security and all the other agencies at the event.

Heck they had snipers roaming around all dolled up....yes yes I know about " Sloppy Sniper Dude" heh

Okay you run the drill control the information....

Now you flood the scene with a mass of authoritative agencies to give everything validity?

As an aside; I thought it was silly to have the fire department people dressed up with helmets and even the fireproof/waterproof attire they wear when fighting fires all the way down to the boots for crying out loud. That made no sense whatsoever.

But it adds to the visual of all the important people.
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I counted 5 swat vehicles. One was at Trentacosta's home on Yogananda. Thats what I call over-kill, unless you're planning an NLE (National Level Exercise)
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I saw a DHS logo CIA FBI and everything else you can imagine.
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plus dozens of grey coloured cruisers.
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An Top Level NLE drill explains all the strange inconsistances.

It explains why all the secrecy and gag orders. It also explains all the shilling.
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