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The VP Candidates Family

 
Anonymous Coward
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I disagree with Obama to some degree; if the people in question have used their family for political gain, they are the ones who made them people to investigate. Palin's political image is her family, and she wants to march them out in front of everyone and say, "look how great I am, I have a family and can do it all." When she does that, she invites the investigation.

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SO, we should investigate each and EVERY politician just like this, male or female, because each and every politician does the same thing.


It is also sexist to be treating a female candidtate this way, when men's kids have always been given a pass. And beware, McCain strategist are making up commercials right now that will make that point.

They want those Hillary voters real bad...


They won't be getting the Hillary vote. Do you really think women are that stupid?

For one, Hillary supporters are anti-gun and pro-choice.

Why would you think he would get the Hillary vote? Because he's got a woman VP candidate who can't even keep her own family straight?

So much for family values.

Oh, isn't it racist to be slandering Obama while we're at it.

If so, then the whole lot of you are nothing but hateful RACISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 163377


Palin's first statement to America was Hillary cracked the glass ceiling and she was going to go through it.

You really believe they did not push Palin out there to get Hillary voters?
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09/02/2008 12:41 PM
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ZetaTalk Analysis 8/30/2008:
Given that the arguments the McCain camp were making were not making any headway against Obama, they were desperate for a game changer. Seeing the significant number of disgruntled Hillary fans making claims they would vote for McCain, this seemed like the largest voter block that could potentially be swung to McCain. So what is wrong with this choice?

First is that he has offended Hillary’s strongest block – older women who had been discriminated against during their lifetime, and treated like second class citizens. Standard fare, after not being given equal pay and opportunity for equal work, is being thrown over for a younger woman. McCain already has been branded for this tendency by his history of running out on my first wife, a former beauty queen who was crippled in a car accident. McCain took up with Cindy, an unspoiled beauty. Now the VP choice, another beauty queen and far younger than McCain. Regardless of all arguments, the element of being dismissive of women’s true qualifications for office, and chosing women only for their beauty, is obvious. This is intuitively obvious to the older women voters McCain hoped to attract. Standing next to McCain, Palin seemed like his mistress, a reminder of McCain’s age as his ATTITUDES toward woman is from a different era. Obama has a wife who is a strong woman, competent and even earning more money than he at her day job. McCain now stands in contrast to Obama on this issue, and is losing on this issue to an extent not yet evident in the polls.
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I agree with all the rest. But how can this writer be so sure of Hillary supporters? I mean suggesting that women "know intuitively" that she's a tart, a McCain mistress wannabe? Is this for real? Are Democrats supposed to go on the attack because of these so called apparent qualities of his VP? If Hillary voters are so damn solid, why bring up these bogus talking points? This is dangerous ground IMO.

What about her politics? Damn it!
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09/02/2008 12:43 PM
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Is there no one that agrees with my analysis?
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09/02/2008 12:48 PM
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And here's a question. Where is Hillary in all this? You'd think that a major McCain strategy to get her supporters would get her step in and say something...
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09/02/2008 12:56 PM
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Palin's politics are "drill Alaska."


She has no other policies, such as


Education
National Defense
Foreign Policy
Economic
Healthcare


on and on, and on
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09/02/2008 12:59 PM
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"And here's a question. Where is Hillary in all this? "


Hillary is holding out until next week, then come in to get Obama disqualified as a candidate.

What does that do? Sets up Hillary as the only other Dem candidate to get votes at the national convention.

She'll bring on the California and Ohio and New York votes, plus others that missed the roll call and she'll take the Dem nomination.

Then we'll get a ruckus over who is the Dem veep candidate.

Ol' Rove is crouching and waiting to call off the presidential election this year so Bush/Cheney stay in power under the executive orders Bush made this spring that allow him to pay the part of Caesar of All.
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09/02/2008 12:59 PM
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Oh, isn't it racist to be slandering Obama while we're at it.

If so, then the whole lot of you are nothing but hateful RACISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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"The whole lot", huh.... well, I guess if you consider someone saying "I don't agree with all of his political views" as slander and racist, then sure. Otherwise, I don't think there's a thing you could find on some of us that could be considered slander and racist.
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09/02/2008 01:06 PM
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PacNguy just posted a thread with an article that shows Geraldine Ferraro is waivering to the McCain Palin ticket. Unbelievable. This does seem like a conspiracy folks.

[link to newsbusters.org]


About Hillary. She's up to something. But sorry, the convention is over...
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09/02/2008 01:19 PM
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What about her politics? Damn it!
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Agreed. Her stance on issues, how strongly she may attempt to push personal views as part of Governmental law, how she fits into the plan of the McCain political machine.... I'm rather tired of hearing about her daughters sex life. We didn't hear so many questions regarding Biden, and we have a long records of proven lies and plagiarism to look at.

Most of what's being said of Palin is speculation. The truth will come out during the campaign if she is as big a liar as many are suggesting. It's common place to submit personal medical history documents during the campaign process for both Praz and VP candidates. How many children she's really had WILL come out. If Trig is hers or her daughters will also come out. If it comes out later it'll hurt the McCain Pres chances more. If everything that's being said now isn't true, then, that will also come out.

We're becoming a society that thinks it's OK to consider someone not even on trial guilty until proven innocent. Is this some kind of grooming for completely accepting a legal change to that kind of system? Guilty until proven beyond a reasonable doubt? 'Cause so far, many have not only put Sarah on trial and convicted but also her daughter. What is this? A witch burning?
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09/02/2008 01:20 PM
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Palin's politics are "drill Alaska."


She has no other policies, such as


Education
National Defense
Foreign Policy
Economic
Healthcare


on and on, and on
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 495698


well having no policy IS a policy. That is what should be attacked...
Lotus Feet
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09/02/2008 01:23 PM
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Palin's politics are "drill Alaska."


She has no other policies, such as


Education
National Defense
Foreign Policy
Economic
Healthcare


on and on, and on


well having no policy IS a policy. That is what should be attacked...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 495549


She is a great talker you will hear a lot about her policies before you are required to vote. Patience is a virtue.

Lotus
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09/02/2008 01:39 PM
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"She is a great talker you will hear a lot about her policies before you are required to vote. Patience is a virtue."


First, I am not required to vote. Not yet, anyway.


Secondly, she is now a known liar, so nothing she says or poses, or proposes will have credence with me.


I am patient. I'm still here.
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09/02/2008 01:43 PM
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It's funny because of how easily this could blow up in these lefties' faces. A party running on a tolerance platform starts employing misogynistic attack methods on a teenage girl, the same party that's relying on the feminist vote to carry them through what shapes to be a tight election. The feminist vote that's already shaky because of an ugly, drawn-out power struggle between Clinton and Obama.

But no, go right ahead and attack a girl for having a kid conceived out of wedlock while supporting a presidential candidate that was *gasp* also conceived out of wedlock. Hope you don't alienate too many feminists along the way, but hey, you don't need their votes right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 495015



Exactly where do you see Obama or any of his surrogates or for that matter any democratic spokesperson attacking this child and her pregnancy?

That is simply what the right wing wants to spin. As usual they try to make the democrats at fault!
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What about her politics? Damn it!
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Agreed. Her stance on issues, how strongly she may attempt to push personal views as part of Governmental law, how she fits into the plan of the McCain political machine.... I'm rather tired of hearing about her daughters sex life. We didn't hear so many questions regarding Biden, and we have a long records of proven lies and plagiarism to look at.


Most of what's being said of Palin is speculation. The truth will come out during the campaign if she is as big a liar as many are suggesting.


We're becoming a society that thinks it's OK to consider someone not even on trial guilty until proven innocent. Is this some kind of grooming for completely accepting a legal change to that kind of system? Guilty until proven beyond a reasonable doubt? 'Cause so far, many have not only put Sarah on trial and convicted but also her daughter. What is this? A witch burning?
 Quoting: Geogal 373387


Thanks GeoGal. I agree but still if this is going to be an issue AGAIN, it is dangerous ground and will take away valuable time from more pressing issues.

Personally, and I mean without the politics, I dont consider her lying about her pregnancy and or her daughter's life an ethical question. In fact, if I was in her position -- protecting my family from scandal and weaving a web of lies to do so -- I would lie as well. So I can empathize with that behavior. And I am WAY left of Obama.

Furthermore, I consider it too abstract to connect her family drama to her and McCain's national legislative policy positions.

So why attack her and McCain that way? When it is much more desirable to be direct? If not, it will only look like Democrats are attacking her motherhood, or some such. Of course we arent, but I guarantee you the Repugs will sure make it look that way.

IMO Obama is taking the right political tac, Unfortunately I smell a rat. The MSM and the repugs and maybe even Hllary (I mean Ferraro is waivering to support McCain?!) are conspiring to force this issue onto the mainstream over Obama's control...

Maybe I'm paranoid, but I have pretty good instincts when it comes to political underhanded behind the scenes chicanery...
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PacNguy just posted a thread with an article that shows Geraldine Ferraro is waivering to the McCain Palin ticket. Unbelievable. This does seem like a conspiracy folks.

[link to newsbusters.org]


About Hillary. She's up to something. But sorry, the convention is over...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 495549


Geraldine Ferraro is a complete joke. No one listens to her. She craves media attention so she'll say anything.
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Geraldine Ferraro is a complete joke. No one listens to her. She craves media attention so she'll say anything.
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Susan Estridge said basically the same thing this morning on FOX News. I guess she's just craving media attention, too.

See my post on Pac's thread.
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"She is a great talker you will hear a lot about her policies before you are required to vote. Patience is a virtue."


First, I am not required to vote. Not yet, anyway.


Secondly, she is now a known liar, so nothing she says or poses, or proposes will have credence with me.


I am patient. I'm still here.
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She lied about being against the bridge of no where at her acceptance speech in Dayton.
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09/02/2008 01:53 PM
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On the same day that the Republicans were forced to dramatically cut back their convention activities, the Palin Meltdown unfolded with extraordinary speed. It's worth pondering the totality of what happened today, in a mere half day...

* The news that Palin once backed the Bridge to Nowhere went national.

* It emerged that Palin has links to the bizarro Alaska Independence Party, which harbors the goal of seceding from the union that McCain and Palin seek to lead.

* The news broke that as governor, Palin relied on an earmark system she now opposes. Taken along with the Bridge to Nowhere stuff, this threatens to undercut her reformist image, something that was key to her selection as McCain's Veep candidate.

* The news broke that Palin's 17-year-old daughter became pregnant out of wedlock at a time when the conservative base had finally started rallying behind McCain's candidacy.

* Barely moments after McCain advisers put out word that McCain had known of Bristol Palin's pregnancy, the Anchorage Daily News revealed that Palin's own spokesperson hadn't known about it only two days ago.

* A senior McCain adviser at the Republican convention was forced into the rather embarrassing position of arguing that McCain had known about the pregnancy "last week" -- without saying what day last week he knew about it.

* It came out that Republican lawyers are up in Alaska vetting Palin -- now, more than 72 hours after it was announced that she'd been picked.

* Palin lawyered up in relation to the trooper-gate probe in Alaska -- a move that ensures far more serious attention to the story from the major news orgs.

What else will come out today? After all, there are still six hours left until September 2nd...


[link to tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com]
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"She is a great talker you will hear a lot about her policies before you are required to vote. Patience is a virtue."


First, I am not required to vote. Not yet, anyway.


Secondly, she is now a known liar, so nothing she says or poses, or proposes will have credence with me.


I am patient. I'm still here.
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Evidence that Sarah Palin was pregnant with Trig.

Here see the pictures...

EnJOY!



Is an apology in order to Sarah Palin?

Lotus
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Why didn't she have her daughters boyfriend arrested and put in jail for rape? He is 18 and the daughter is 17 wtf
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PALIN IS A DOMINIONIST

Dominionism, very simply, is the belief that Jesus will put Christians in charge of the world after the apocalypse, before he returns to rapture the believers.

Dominionists believe that it is their sacred duty to assume the reigns of government now, so they will be in place to rule the earth.

Mainstream Christians consider this "theology" to be heresy. There is no biblical instruction to Christians to rule the earth.

I hope each of you will do some research on Dominionism to understand just how frightening and extreme it is. Sarah is following the plan. Start with the PTA, then the mayoral office, then ......
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Why didn't she have her daughters boyfriend arrested and put in jail for rape? He is 18 and the daughter is 17 wtf
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Young girls fall in love with their first love just like her mother fell in love with her childhood sweetheart.

You shout rape what about love?

America has a long way to go to understand and become unconditional love.

Unconditional love means just that no conditions.



Lotus
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Why didn't she have her daughters boyfriend arrested and put in jail for rape? He is 18 and the daughter is 17 wtf


Young girls fall in love with their first love just like her mother fell in love with her childhood sweetheart.

You shout rape what about love?

America has a long way to go to understand and become unconditional love.

Unconditional love means just that no conditions.



Lotus
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Uhhh it's the LAW. iamwith
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Geraldine Ferraro is a complete joke. No one listens to her. She craves media attention so she'll say anything.


Susan Estridge said basically the same thing this morning on FOX News. I guess she's just craving media attention, too.

See my post on Pac's thread.
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Post it here Seneca...
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Why didn't she have her daughters boyfriend arrested and put in jail for rape? He is 18 and the daughter is 17 wtf
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"Alaska

The age of consent is 16, provided the older partner is not in a position of authority."

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PALIN IS A DOMINIONIST

Dominionism, very simply, is the belief that Jesus will put Christians in charge of the world after the apocalypse, before he returns to rapture the believers.

Dominionists believe that it is their sacred duty to assume the reigns of government now, so they will be in place to rule the earth.

Mainstream Christians consider this "theology" to be heresy. There is no biblical instruction to Christians to rule the earth.

I hope each of you will do some research on Dominionism to understand just how frightening and extreme it is. Sarah is following the plan. Start with the PTA, then the mayoral office, then ......

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 419558


John Allen of the National Catholic Reporter has an interesting take:
The initial confusion surrounding Palin's denominational identity, therefore, has a simple explanation: She doesn't have one.
Instead, Palin appears to be part of that rapidly expanding galaxy of "post-denominational" Christianity, where elements of Evangelical and Pentecostal styles of faith and worship fuse into a myriad of unique local combinations, and where old denominational loyalties are essentially dead.

Bob Smietana, the religion writer for The Tennessean, has been exchanging e-mails with me as we both set out on the hunt. He says: "Looks like she's a charismatic, or charismatic leaning, if her home congregation is Church on The Rock.
Her mom apparently goes to church here." Read Bob's story here.

If Bob is right, she'd be the first Charismatic on a ticket, I think? Whether or not she categorizes herself as such?

[link to religionblog.dallasnews.com]

Lotus
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Joe Biden upports abstinence education.
[link to www.ontheissues.org]

Voted YES on $75M for abstinence education. (Jul 1996)

He's Catholic.
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Is an apology in order to Sarah Palin?

Lotus
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Are you serious? From whom? The media? Surely not from Obama.

From the blogo-sphere?

Dont make me laugh...
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A previous poster spoke of Sarah's fortitude for taking a 12-hour plane trip while she was in labor ... as if it was a GOOD thing. She supposedly KNEW she was about to give birth to a special needs child.

To me, it smacks of irresponsibility. If we are to believe Trig is her child, we are then also to believe she's a reckless and selfish woman.

I'm not attacking her daughter. I'm just sick of the lies. If she and her husband chose to take her child's child and raise it on their own, good for them! Regular people do it every day!

But she's anti-choice and is about to be put into a position where her views can be forced on the American people. We need to know the truth.

I have raised two responsible adult children, neither of whom brought home children for me to raise as they were teenagers. Neither of them were forced into farce marriages as a result of negligent sexual practices.

Come on America ... I'm tired of being lied to! I'm not attacking her or her family ... I'm just sick and tired of the lies. And hers are coming out from the git-go. Own up to who and what you and your family are, and let's get on with the business at hand.

Sarah could stop these attacks ... today ... if she only took the responsibility for her own and her family's actions.

Sorry Obama ... it's not about her family. It's about the lies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 481715


This is the best post on this thread. I live in Alaska and have been following this story for months.

Something is VERY not right with a woman who is willing to take the chance of delivering a high-risk child at 36,000 feet ! Especially a public figure like a governor. (This is your captain speaking. Please don't be alarmed by the grunting sounds coming from first class, it is just Sarah Palin birthing her child . . .)

She showed no apparent consideration for anyone, especially the flight crew who probably prefer not having to possibly deliver a preemie, special needs child WHO LIKELY WILL NEED IMMEDIATE NEONATAL INTENSIVE CARE . . .

Any leakage of amniotic fluid at that stage of pregnancy is a sign to GET CHECKED OUT immediately by a health professional. There is only one good reason I can think of why she didn't see ANYONE in Dallas. . . or in Anchorage . . . you figure it out for yourself . . . And didn't her doctor tell her (over the phone) that if you are leaking amniotic fluid you are NOT ALLOWED to fly because the sudden change in air pressure can cause the membranes to rupture . . .

The daughter does NOT look pregnant to me. A teenager would be carrying much higher in the abdomen. She looks like someone who delivered a baby and then let herself go (entirely understandable in this situation). Poor kid, wearing a frumpy black old ladies' frock at what is supposed to be a gala occasion, holding a baby who came with more baggage than anyone knows.

Alaska attracts families like the Palins and the Heaths (both have been here for quite a while, two generations at least). They like the extremes of climate, the intense physicality, the opportunity to be secretly eccentric and get away with it. I know, I married into a family just like those. Their motto :

WHAT YOU SEE AND WHAT YOU KNOW ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS

Believe it, because it is true.
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"She is a great talker you will hear a lot about her policies before you are required to vote. Patience is a virtue."


First, I am not required to vote. Not yet, anyway.


Secondly, she is now a known liar, so nothing she says or poses, or proposes will have credence with me.


I am patient. I'm still here.


Evidence that Sarah Palin was pregnant with Trig.

Here see the pictures...

EnJOY!



Is an apology in order to Sarah Palin?

Lotus
 Quoting: Lotus Feet

only a doctor knows for sure.....
birth certificates, etc.

time will tell.





GLP