Jupiter's Orbit is NOT "Off."

Damn strange, folks. Connect the dots.

Haha Why can I see it moving without a telescope? Fuck off with this co-intel bullshit...

Because the earth is rotating?

Because the earth is rotating?

Because the earth is rotating?

So according to this video that's been going viral lately, Jupiter is "off."


I compared the position of Jupiter in the SOHO images from the time periods covered by the above youtube video to the predicted position of Jupiter based on ephemeris that were originally generated in 1890 by George Hill. It's position is normal, even though I'm comparing it to data that originates over 120 years ago (in other words, no way it's part of some "NASA cover-up").

I didn't bother accounting for the position of SOHO in this case. I could squeeze a little more accuracy out of it if I did that, but I don't think it's necessary in this case (it would also require importing SOHO's orbital data uniquely for each observation epoch). It was enough work to convert and import the old ephemeris into modern software. Rather than try to modify the VSOP87 algorithms, I simply imported mean Keplerian elements for Jupiter at each observation epoch (derived from the original Hill data) into Celestia. ORSA was used to propagate the data to each observation epoch.

I made a gif animation showing the various comparisons. It starts with a simple 3 frame comparison similar to what the youtube video showed (one image from 2000, one from 2007, and one from 2012). I then compared this to the ephemeris data using celestia, registering each image based on the stars (effectively doing astrometry by hand). As you can see, Jupiter's where it should be in the image, even according to 19th century data.

[link to img705.imageshack.us]

I also did a direct measurement of Jupiter's position in a video you may have seen before, and indeed it's perfectly normal to within at least 1.69 arcseconds (far high resolution than what you can see in the SOHO images).

you really expect us to believe this isn't your job?

shouldn't you be out spending time doing your doctoring of whatever it is that you are a doctor of today?

do doctors have so little to do in a work day that they get to sit in their offices all day, ignoring their super hot girlfriends while making internet videos debunking the same non-existent phenomenon over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and.......

Because the earth is rotating?

WTF do you care what he does with his time?

At least he brings some rational thinking and scientific facts to the table.

Rotating yes, but around what, big boy?

Sun?

Astro....hock.

you really expect us to believe this isn't your job?

shouldn't you be out spending time doing your doctoring of whatever it is that you are a doctor of today?

do doctors have so little to do in a work day that they get to sit in their offices all day, ignoring their super hot girlfriends while making internet videos debunking the same non-existent phenomenon over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and.......

the sun rotates on its axis.

Dr. Astro, since Jupiter is kept constantly behind our sun from us, (by adjustment of its orbital speed), I don't thinks its possible to know if its OFF or not.

I have no looked at star ship Jupiter of late to compare to my sky program in location, but you don't even know if that puppy is in Jupiter orbit. It could even be orbiting earth with careful computer calculations to put it where people expect to see it in the sky.

It could even be orbiting earth with careful computer calculations to put it where people expect to see it in the sky.

Its spiral dud. They all rotate around it.
Yes, Sun is big mass and have us around but that is not the point...

What? No it's not. It has an 11 year orbit, most of the time it's not behind the sun.

Anyway..read this..its kinda 1 class for astronomers.
[link to www.infinitelymystical.com]

Astro proves or disproves by using science, programmes and his telescope.


yet as he's american I'm guessing that he believes in a god, which cannot be proven or disproved by science, programmes or a telescope.


How does that work?

you really expect us to believe this isn't your job?

It isn't. I don't care what idiotic thing you choose to believe, but I will put the truth out there for those rational enough to examine it. Astronomy is my hobby, right now it's raining, so deal with it. Don't worry your pretty little britches, soon I'll be back to work and you'll have plenty more time to spread bullshit without me being here to counter it. In the meantime I'm enjoying debunking the nonsense. You can either debate the substance of what I've presented, or shut up. Your choice.

Read this if you are free..batter then to debunk kids on GLP.
Maybe they need some fiction to stick with in rainy days. Dont be so cruel. Good thing is what you are doing in the manner of education people on basics...not to be in stress.
For that you have my gratitude. Just stay open dud. Cos there are things maybe which are there on sky but you have not allowed your brain to see it...just sayin.
What that is...i dont know..but those how may tell us are for some reason dead.
Happy holiday.

WTF do you care what i think about him.

was i fucking talking to you?

It isn't. I don't care what idiotic thing you choose to believe, but I will put the truth out there for those rational enough to examine it. Astronomy is my hobby, right now it's raining, so deal with it. Don't worry your pretty little britches, soon I'll be back to work and you'll have plenty more time to spread bullshit without me being here to counter it. In the meantime I'm enjoying debunking the nonsense. You can either debate the substance of what I've presented, or shut up. Your choice.

You can see Jupiter sun being moved behind our sun in mid March 2009 here:

It has a solar corona and as I explained often here, at the time Jupiter was observed in this video, people had been seeing Star ship Jupiter with hologram long before mid March, yet Nasa admits in this that Jupiter was not seen YET.

You can go backwards on your sky programs if you have a good one and see when Jupiter was supposed to appear from behind the sun that year in early to mid february or so.

doctors require nice weather to drive to the office?

what exactly is it that you are a doctor of that would require pleasant weather?

Dr. Astro, since Jupiter Sun is kept constantly behind our sun from us, (by adjustment of its orbital speed), I don't thinks its possible to know if its OFF or not.

I have not looked at star ship Jupiter of late to compare to my sky program in location, but you don't even know if that puppy is in Jupiter orbit. It could even be orbiting earth with careful computer calculations to put it where people expect to see it in the sky.

I do know that is NOT Jupiter out there in the sky, that was proven to me summer 2009 when they lights were turned OFF on it, then back on and then dimmed and brightened plus the craft was moved around.

I have also observed Star ship Sirius to move around, and over quite a distance visually and there was a witness with me, who watched that in another state, not standing next to me, at the same time.

You can see Jupiter sun being moved behind our sun in mid March 2009 here:

[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov] It has a solar corona and as I explained often here, at the time Jupiter was observed in this video, people had been seeing Star ship Jupiter with hologram long before mid March, yet Nasa admits in this that Jupiter was not seen YET.

You can go backwards on your sky programs if you have a good one and see when Jupiter was supposed to appear from behind the sun that year in early to mid february or so. I used to have the record and had it typed up. I don't have it on this computer and don't feel like doing it again. I would suggest Dr. Astro that YOU do so. I could use my star program and move it back to 2009 and determine that again. But again, I think you should Dr. Astro, you would learn something and it would change your paradigm. give it a shot.

If you don't want to, maybe some others here would do that? Any takers? Go figure when Jupiter was supposed to be seen from the southern hemisphere that year.