Why does Jesus refer to Himself as the "son of man" and not the "son of God"?

Remember that around 320-330 AD, it was first the Roman Emperor Constantine who knew that he could not destroy Christianity – thus he decided to embrace it to merge it as an official “Roman version” of Christianity. , The doctrine of reincarnation was all but removed from official Roman-Christianity by 600 AD. But many Christens still secretly upheld those beliefs. Who do think the Cathari were other than those who upheld the earliest forms of Christianity, until their deaths.



Some of the early fathers of the church removed reincarnation in the Bible. There is a huge amount of evidence to supporting this. The church later added the notion of an eternal hell to keep control over the people. This was never accepted by the earliest of Christian scholars either. The Dead Sea Scrolls also verify the Essenes belief in re-incarnation.


The Inquisition against the Cathari alone went on for over 50 years of the 13th century! Pope Innocent III was a raving mad-man who was considered the anti-Christ by many at the time, who knew very well how corrupt the Church of Rome had become. There were many crusades. Now here’s an interesting truth: If you want to know at what stage the early church changed the meaning of “Satan” from “deceiver” (which derives from the Egyptian Ha-Satan) to an evil devil, it was just after Pope Innocent III finished waging his war against what he called “heretics”.

[Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 20:[3] Son of man, speak to the ancients of Israel, and say to them: Thus saith the Lord God: Are you come to inquire of me? As I live, I will not answer you, saith the Lord God. [4] If thou judgest them, if thou judgest, son of man, declare to them the abominations of their fathers.

[Isaias (Isaiah) 59:[1] Behold the hand of the Lord is not shortened that it cannot save, neither is his ear heavy that it cannot hear. [2] But your iniquities have divided between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you that he should not hear. [3] For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity: your lips have spoken lies, and your tongue uttereth iniquity. [4] There is none that calleth upon justice, neither is there any one that judgeth truly: but they trust in a mere nothing, and speak vanities: they have conceived labour, and brought forth iniquity.


[Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 20:[24] Because they had not done my judgments, and had cast off my statutes, and had violated my sabbaths, and their eyes had been after the idols of their fathers. [25] Therefore I also gave them statutes that were not good, and judgments, in which they shall not live.


[26] And I polluted them in their own gifts, when they offered all that opened the womb, for their offences: and they shall know that I am the Lord.

[27] Wherefore speak to the house of Israel, O son of man, and say to them: Thus saith the Lord God: Moreover in this also your fathers blasphemed me, when they had despised and contemned me;

[28] And I had brought them into the land, for which I lifted up my hand to give it them: they saw every high hill, and every shady tree, and there they sacrificed their victims: and there they presented the provocation of their offerings, and there they set their sweet odours, and poured forth their libations. [29] And I said to them: What meaneth the high place to which you go? and the name thereof was called High-place even to this day. [30] Wherefore say to the house of Israel: Thus saith the Lord God: Verily, you are defiled in the way of your fathers, and you commit fornication with their abominations.


[31] And you defile yourselves with all your: idols unto this day, in the offering of your gifts, when you make your children pass through the fire: and shall I answer you, O house of Israel? As I live, saith the Lord God, I will not answer you. [32] Neither shall the thought of your mind come to pass, by which you say: We will be as the Gentiles, and as the families of the earth, to worship stocks and stones.

[33] As I live, saith the Lord God, I will reign over you with a strong hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out. [34] And I will bring you out from the people, and I will gather you out of the countries, in which you are scattered, I will reign over you with a strong hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out. [35] And I will bring you into the wilderness of people, and there will I plead with you face to face.


[36] As I pleaded against your fathers in the desert of the land of Egypt; even so will I judge you, saith the Lord God. [37] And I will make you subject to my sceptre, and will bring you into the bands of the covenant. [38] And I will pick out from among you the transgressors, and the wicked, and will bring them out of the land where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and you shall know that I am the Lord. [39] And as for you, O house of Israel: thus saith the Lord God: Walk ye every one after your idols, and serve them. But if in this also you hear me not, but defile my holy name any more with your gifts, and with your idols;



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John 6: [43] Jesus therefore answered, and said to them: Murmur not among yourselves. [44] No man can come to me, except the Father, who hath sent me, draw him; and I will raise him up in the last day. [45] It is written in the prophets: And they shall all be taught of God. Every one that hath heard of the Father, and hath learned, cometh to me.

[46] Not that any man hath seen the Father; but he who is of God, he hath seen the Father. [47] Amen, amen I say unto you: He that believeth in me, hath everlasting life. [48] I am the bread of life. [49] Your fathers did eat manna in the desert, and are dead. [50] This is the bread which cometh down from heaven; that if any man eat of it, he may not die.

[51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven. [52] If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh, for the life of the world. [53] The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat? [54] Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. [55] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.

[56] For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. [57] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him. [58] As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me. [59] This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever.


Luke 24: [25] Then he said to them: O foolish, and slow of heart to believe in all things which the prophets have spoken.

[26] Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and so to enter into his glory? [27] And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded to them in all the scriptures, the things that were concerning him. [28] And they drew nigh to the town, whither they were going: and he made as though he would go farther. [29] But they constrained him; saying: Stay with us, because it is towards evening, and the day is now far spent. And he went in with them. [30] And it came to pass, whilst he was at table with them, he took bread, and blessed, and brake, and gave to them.

[31] And their eyes were opened, and they knew him: and he vanished out of their sight.


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John 8: [24] Therefore I said to you, that you shall die in your sins. For if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sin.

Man means Adam in hebrew . "Son of man" means "Son of Adam" .

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If they didn't know anything else, the Romans knew how to kill people.

And God is mankind. God is a human construct - something we have created in our own collective minds.

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Prove it!

I believe it was a mistranslation. Why would it say the Word was with God if it was God? That would surely be a given.

damn bible twisting everything!

he is the Sun of Man! The light, the fire. etc...

God is triune in nature. Also, it speaks about how Jesus was there since the beginning.

No He is one, not three.

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD. Deuteronomy 6:4

And I know Yeshua was there from the beginning but I believe He was separate from God. It makes no sense for God to be talking to himself through the Bible. This is the only logical explanation.

Here David is talking to Yeshua and makes the distinction.

<> The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. Psalm 110:1

To say/believe otherwise is Idolatry.

well, humans are triune in nature and we talk about our other parts as separate as well as one simultaneously. for example, we have a physical body, a soul (mind/will/emotions) and a spirit. all separate parts of one person.

That's really reaching Salt. When the Bible speaks of a soul, it just means a living being. Not all of us have a Spirit inside of us, only those who were born-again and have the Holy Spirit residing in them.

in idolatry the beleiver knows more about his/her god/godess then they know about themselves!

Not at all reaching. OP was explaining the meaning of words.

Was I speaking to you? Are you her body-guard or something? Why do you always have to butt in? Yes, it was reaching.

well, that is totally incorrect. when the bible speaks of the soul, it speaks of our own will and emotions. our mind.

the spirit is separate from the soul. as the flesh is separate from the spirit and the soul. all can work together and against the other.

No it is not. Can you prove that with with the Bible?

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Genesis 2:7

Touchy today, aren't we?

If you post it, you are speaking to everyone.

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yes i can. start with this link:

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No, you are just highly annoying when you do that and no I was speaking to Salt, see the way I was quoting her reply's. I believe Salt can speak for herself and does not need you speaking for her.

Why not summarize it for me? I don't have the patience to read all that? Anyway, I just did with the verse I posted.

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Genesis 2:7

Let's take a poll: who else reading this thread thinks my posts on this thread are annoying?

um, no. if you want the answer to your question, read it for yourself. i have already answered it a few times for you. not willing to go any further unless you meet me at least half way.

Don't put words in my mouth. I did not say that. I said that it was annoying the way you speak for others and butt in. You are very defensive, maybe you have a thing for her.

That is a cop-out. I don't want somebody's commentary of the word, I want the word of God itself explicitly saying otherwise and I know for a fact that it does not. I posted the word of God saying otherwise, a soul is not a spirit, it is a living being. Are you saying everyone has a Spirit in them? If that would be so, why does the word not say that? Where would the room be for the Holy Spirit? Why would Yeshua say he is sending us a helper if we already had one. What kind of Spirit does everyone have? A good one, a bad one? That is not biblical. Only some have THE Spirit, the Holy Spirit and of course people can become possessed of evil spirits.

not a cop out. i have carefully selected a word study on the difference between the soul and the spirit according to scripture in the Hebrew and the Greek.

you are unwilling to read it.

if you continue to harass, i will be forced to remove you from the thread.