If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?

QUESTION. . . .Are persistent contrails more or less visible than a possible injection of additional particulate or aerosol . . . commonly referred to as a Chemtrail . . .?


ANSWER. . . . We don't really know

visible persistent trails in the sky are about several factors including the exhaust's exit temperature, exhaust's and ambient Relative Humidity, ambient particulate nuclei and those supplied by the combustion products, fuel contaminates and additives, CO2, NOx, Sulfur, soot, H20 and metal particulates from the engines, the updrafts and downdrafts not to mention the effect of the wing and control surface vortices . . . and what about the exhausts' probability to persist or form cirrus cloud banks . . .?

How can you tell if someone has not added something to the fuel or injected something into the atmosphere through some systematic (pre or post exhaust) process and if they did what effect would it have on visibility or persistence. . . and how would you ever know what the substances were or the concentrations used . . .?

Visibility is fleeting whether for a few seconds or several hours . . . the injected materials (intentional or not) will no longer be visible from the ground . . .

1) IMO Most persistent Trails (Persistent Contrails) are 99.99% water vapor . . . which is a powerful greenhouse gas by the way and are the product of the newer high efficiency jet engines and generally higher cruising altitudes that have increased in number and frequency on long haul flights which have increased over the last two decades . . . they are more likely to form in suboptimal air and at higher ambient temperatures than the exhaust from the lower efficiency engines . . .

2) Secondly, there is research which tested the visual appearance and measurement of Sulfur compounds when added to the fuel at different ppms (concentrations) . . . why this research was done I am not really sure . . .

3) My paranoid suspicion is there was a reason for the research . . . "can we add higher concentrations of Sulfur to jet fuel and will it be noticed?"

Last Edited by George B on 04/09/2013 12:26 PM

how bout this scenerio is they lay a upper level of chems to accentuate the sun then lay a lower level of chems to trap the upper creates? just thinking out loud.

Interesting suggestion . . . If both layers are above the tropopause it might work to a certain extent . . .

Someone said that gibs knows things. I don't understand what he meant though.

Last Edited by WindyMind on 04/09/2013 10:34 PM

August 19, 2012
“Chemtrails are not real, they are just contrails”….GREENPEACE???
[link to thenextbigblog.wordpress.com]

Interesting reading. . . .

More Interesting reading. . . .

The Painful Truth About "CHEMTRAILS"

By
Jerry E. Smith

[link to www.jerryesmith.com]

This appeared in the May/June 2009 print issue of Sovereign Mind Magazine and on that publication’s website at [link to www.sovereignmindmagazine.com]

NASA Brief. . . .on future war technology

[link to www.stopthecrime.net]

After seeing corroborating evidence from different sources over several years and testimony from people/scientists/climatologists over 'specific' areas of the U.S. with unusually high concentrations of chemicals found in soil/water, I began to 'slowly' climb aboard the 'conspiracy' boat.

Some testimony from prior military as well as 'watching the skies (a plethora of chemtrails over the city as opposed to the complete absence of it at the farm in the mountains) certainly gave rise to the 'spock-brow'.

Whenever the government engages in subjects/general population being "tested", it is generally NOT for our own good.

"Some testimony from prior military" could you give an example of the military testimony?

so please make all pictures about what you see in the sky,send sem to your government and ask them what this is.Send them so much of your pics to bring their server down.

And the only logical source for these chemicals are the trails in the sky?!

George B's Chemtrail Threads stats . . .

1) I have initiated 18 Threads on GLP about the Chemtrail Conspiracy

2) The first one was started 12 June 2010 and the last one at this date was 28 Feb 2013 . . . the first is hot-linked below . . .

3) Of the 18 Threads I have started and maintained there has been 13,552 Posts made on them and over 273,000 views have been tabulated . . . as well as 5,427 Votes . . .


Thread: Chemtrail Poll . . . do you think chemtrails are real? See the Results NOW!

Chemtrail Poll . . . do you think chemtrails are real? See the Results NOW!
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As a Chemtrail believer . . . the single thing that describes me best is . . .?
Page 1, 2 George B 55 577
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Thread: As a Chemtrail believer  . . . the single thing that describes me best is . . .?

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As a chemtrail debunker. . . the single thing that describes me best is . . .?
Page 1, 2 George B 36 460
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Thread: As a chemtrail debunker. . . the single thing that describes me best is . . .?

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If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?
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Thread: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?

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How were you introduced to the concept of the Chemtrail conspiracy?
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Thread: How were you introduced to the concept of the Chemtrail conspiracy?

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What can civil aviation do to help save the planet?
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12:13 PM 01/07/13
9:43 AM, Not a Poll
Thread: What can civil aviation do to help save the planet?

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With Only Nine Aircraft . . . . I Can Change The Climate . . . CHEMTRAILS?
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6:38 AM 08/15/12
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Thread: With Only Nine Aircraft . . . . I Can Change The Climate . . . CHEMTRAILS?

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What makes people who believe in the Chemtrail conspiracy tick. . ?. .
Page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 George B 140 3,128
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10:38 PM, Votes 106
Thread: What makes people who believe in the Chemtrail conspiracy tick. . ?. .


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CHEMTRAILs are what???
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Thread: CHEMTRAILs are what???

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The single best Evidence CHEMTRAILs Exist . . .
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Thread: The single best Evidence CHEMTRAILs Exist  . . .  

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Debunkers!!! . . . CHEMTRAILs don't exist . . . Because. . . .
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6:50 PM 12/09/11
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Thread: Debunkers!!! . . .  CHEMTRAILs don't exist . . . Because. . . .

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Your number one REASON CHEMTRAILs EXIST. . . (1 out of 12 choices)
Page 1, 2 George B 36 1,625
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9:33 AM, Votes 85
Thread: Your number one REASON CHEMTRAILs EXIST. . . (1 out of 12 choices)

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I'm a Chemtrail Debunker/Detractor . . . I would agree CHEMTRAILs exist if . . . Poll
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Thread:  I'm a Chemtrail Debunker/Detractor  . . . I would agree CHEMTRAILs exist if . . . Poll

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New Chemtrail Poll: Do you believe in Chemtrails?
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Thread: New Chemtrail Poll: Do you believe in Chemtrails?

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Says Chemtrail Death Dumps . . . Former FBI Chief, Ted L. Gunderson, makes a statement regarding the chemtrail George B 14 905
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Thread: Says Chemtrail Death Dumps . . . Former FBI Chief, Ted L. Gunderson, makes a statement regarding the chemtrail

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Chemtrail Trial Over . . . Vote Now!
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Thread: CHEMTRAIL TRIAL OVER . . . VOTE NOW!

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Chemtrails on Trial . . . Now!. . . You are the Judge & Jury . . . Advocate v.s. Opponent!!!
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Thread: Chemtrails on Trial . . . Now!. . . You are the Judge & Jury . . . Advocate v.s. Opponent!!!

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Newest Chemtrail Poll (NOW): Choose the (best) reason for Chemtrails? . . . see results as they happen! . . . see results of last poll!!!
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1:02 PM 07/22/10
8:59 PM, Votes 115
Thread: Newest Chemtrail Poll (NOW): Choose the (best) reason for Chemtrails? . . . see results as they happen! . . . see results of last poll!!!

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Chemtrail Poll . . . do you think chemtrails are real? See the Results NOW!
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1:22 PM 01/13/11
10:55 AM, Votes 564
Thread: Chemtrail Poll . . . do you think chemtrails are real? See the Results NOW!

Bottom-line my friends. . . .after several intense years of study and debate on top of direct and personal communication with one of the top atmospheric scientists in the world these are my conclusions:

1) The concept of Chemtrails as it is normally understood IMO is a misconception. . . .

2) The persistent trails many see on a regular basis are just persistent contrails from high flying jet aircraft . . . They are produced mostly at altitudes over 30,000 feet and in atmospheric conditions someone on the ground cannot even imagine . . .

3) The reason they (persistent contrails) are now so much more noticeable is because there are so many more now than ever before. . . they were there before but they were relatively rare in comparison to today and no one pointed it out to people saying look TPTB are doing something in secret. . . .once something is seen it cannot be unseen . . . once an idea has been planted it cannot be removed . . .

4) If anyone would like the details of my logical and scientific journey just ask . . . :144:

You might start looking into the phenomenon whereby chemtrail believers will not even entertain explanations for what they are seeing other than that they are "chemtrails".

. . . once something is seen it cannot be unseen . . . once an idea has been planted it cannot be removed . . . once trust of the authorities has been lost it takes ten times the effort, the evidence and the time to repair that trust . . .

Last Edited by George B on 05/07/2013 05:46 PM

The following are also reasons why people have a problem with abandoning the Chemtrail concept . . .


These observations and questions (many redundant) are sometimes counterintuitive and are very difficult to explain to people and IMO are one of the reason the chemtrail conspiracy persists. . .

1) Smoke is seen at ground level and it appears to eventually dissipate but can linger in haze for hours. . . . but generally the higher smokes goes the quicker it dissipates. . . while persistent contrails won't form at ground level but will as you get to higher altitudes. . . .
2) Fog can form at ground level and remain for hours or seemingly for days. . . but contrails seemingly  won't .  . . 
3) Clouds can form in a cloudless clear sky but seemingly won't dissipated  for hours . . .  they are commonly persistent . . . If air is a fluid and molecules go from higher concentration to lower concentration why do clouds appear to visibly adhere together  . . . is there a bond . . . ?
4) Except for aerodynamic vortices persistent contrails usually won't form except where the air is thin enough (higher altitudes) but clouds will. . . ?
5) Why do persistent contrails form when clouds will not?  Why do persistent contrails not form when clouds will ?
6) Why is it the higher an Aircraft flies the greater the chance they will form a persistent contrail where and when clouds may not?
7) Why do contrails appear unbroken for miles and then decide to simply end  . . . and begin again  . . .?
8) Why does one aircraft leave a persistent trail and one does't  . . . though they appear to be flying at the same altitudes . . . ?
9) Why do persistent trails appear to form patterns in the sky?
10) Why is it when I see persistent trails it usually (storms) rains later or if it looked like rain the rain goes away ?E
11) After persistent trails why does my and/or my family's allergies or respiratory problems increase . . . ?
12) Why do I get depressed or anxious when there are persistent trails in the sky . . . .?  

Chemtrails are not a religion, opinion, or a belief jack ass. No more than a rock, a river, or a rat. THEY EXIST.

Some interesting information . . . Anything changing since chemtrails became a concept???

The rise in the surface temperature of earth has been markedly slower over the last 15 years than in the 20 years before that. And that lull in warming has occurred even as greenhouse gases have accumulated in the atmosphere at a record pace.

Rarely do they mention that most of the warmest years in the historical record have occurred recently. Moreover, their claim depends on careful selection of the starting and ending points. The starting point is almost always 1998, a particularly warm year because of a strong El Niño weather pattern.

[link to www.nytimes.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]

Since 2009 I have been studying all sides of the Chemtrail issue and have published many, many Threads and Polls on this issue . . . I have always stated that what people are seeing is an increase in normal contrails that are very explainable based on technological advances in engine efficiencies and higher and more frequent high altitude flights . . . Please take the time to view the videos below . . .

The videos below were created to inform people of the fear and anger that the Chemtrail Conspiracy Movement has caused. Some people unfortunately have advocated violence. This IMO is unacceptable. The leadership of the movement need to tell their readers that they are seeing ordinary passenger and military aircraft making contrails.

Chemtrails Extremism II

[link to youtu.be]

[link to youtu.be]

POLL: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?

8) I see persistent trails in the skies . . . 68.9% (286)

10) Scientific papers, patents, symposia (mainstream) . . . 8.7% (36)

12) Other. . . please specify in this Thread. . . . 7.2% (30)

4) YouTube Videos about chemtrails . . . 6.5% (27)

7) There are websites I visit that talk about them . . . 2.2% (9)

5) Reading about different conspiracies they mentioned them . . 1.7% (7)

11) Papers, articles, symposia by other chemtrail believes . . . 1.7% (7)

2) I have dreams about them . . 1.2% (5)

6) My friends and/or family talk about them . . . 0.7% (3)

9) Rap songs or other entertainment including celebrities . . . 0.7% (3)

3) Documentaries about them on the History Channel . . . 0.5% (2)

1) TV news stories about them . . . 0% (0)

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Last Edited by George B on 12/30/2013 02:12 PM

op being gey beard did it for me

Not Contrails.
Not much violence you can do to a (relatively)unmarked military jet at +30,000feet, criss-crossin' the sky, 'haulin' ass' at flank speed.
Seen it-over Chicagoland, documented it-every time on GLP, diligent-watchin' the skies for the the next one.

Last Edited by uscrusader1 on 12/30/2013 02:45 PM

People have targeted pilots with lasers and have made threats to locate them and their families . . . that is enough to cause concern . . .

Chemtrails are FAKE.
Only morans believe this shit.

LoL!!! So I have a gray beard as well . . .

I think some rather nice and intelligent people do . . . atmospheric science is not that well known . . . it is rather complex IMO really . . .

you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?

8) I see persistent trails in the skies . . . 69.1% (289)

10) Scientific papers, patents, symposia (mainstream) . . . 8.6% (36)

12) Other. . . please specify in this Thread. . . . 7.2% (30)

4) YouTube Videos about chemtrails . . . 6.5% (27)

7) There are websites I visit that talk about them . . . 2.2% (9)

5) Reading about different conspiracies they mentioned them . . 1.7% (7)

11) Papers, articles, symposia by other chemtrail believes . . . 1.7% (7)

2) I have dreams about them . . 1.2% (5)

6) My friends and/or family talk about them . . . 0.7% (3)

9) Rap songs or other entertainment including celebrities . . . 0.7% (3)

3) Documentaries about them on the History Channel . . . 0.5% (2)

1) TV news stories about them . . . 0% (0)

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Food for thought...

See them all the time DC to the Blue Ridge. Christmas Eve/Day not a single one, and the weather was the same just before Christmas.

There were plenty of planes, esp. Christmas Eve, but they at most left a little contrail that dissipated as they were climbing altitude.

High altitude weather (wind speed and direction, Temperature, Relative Humidity, Dew Point, etc. at 30,000 feet plus where most persistent contrails form) is completely different than what you experience at ground level . . . so high level changes in humidity and temperatures are -40C and RH range from 2% to 70% without warning . . . during the Summer and Winter as well . . . usually in the temperate latitudes persistent contrails are more prevalent in the winter because humidity is higher in winter and temperatures are a bit colder. . .