Why our hospitals are close to total failure/modern day patients/ obamacare

YOu make no sense

how much have you been drinking? today?

This is a great post

you just don't understand it

Chinese are on the same road, just heard "YUM!" brand (KFC and Pizza Hut) opens a new store in China EVERY 12 HOURS.

Fast food crap will soon be killing the Chinese too.

My husband is a doc, I agree with all you've said, but I don't think it will take the system 10 years to crash. Less than 5.

agree

The real point has always been to take the capability to compete with the liberal party money machine.

Doctors have by and large been opponents to liberalism simply because nature isnt liberal, its conservative.
Doctors and other small business people used to be able to somewhat mount an opposition to big union labor/lawyer/oligarch money used to lie to the public.
Now, with mainstreet dying, and medicine being destroyed by massive overregulation and reimbursement decreases, and mandated de facto information collection to use in developing political dossiers, there really nobody with the free time and permission to access the MSM to inform what's left of intelligent citizens.

This is the endgame, and there may be problems in corrupting the upcoming vote for the liberals, and since they cannot lose power and authority, they have to step up and go for broke by establishing irreversable suppression of all and any oppositions.

Its going to get really, really bad and quite soon.
Be aware of crazy massive voter fraud coming up this year.
Every effort will be made to insert a vote vampire libertarian spoiler in any race not a shoe-in for a liberal.
Every effort will be made to make you think that the general election is just the second primary, and to wait for a perfect candidate to arrive from the heavens and not vote til he lends you money or blows you.

Everything will be done to disenfranchise the producer class to benefit the overseer and dual citizen classes.
You heard it here first, folks,so watch and see.

Nurses & doctors do kill patients and probably more often than you can imagine. Medical mistakes are high up the list of what kills Americans.

"The drip got fucked up and infused to fast."

WTF??? And they allowed the nurse to push the blame onto a family member of another patient when she was the only one with hands on the drip?

There is only one person to blame for that death and that is the nurse. If she doesn't have the presence of mind to handle critical procedures because of verbal interruptions than she can't handle the job. No one to blame except her! Hope the family of the dead patient sued but unfortunately they probably never knew the real cause.

I've known several nurses and it always seemed they blamed things on others - their supervisors, other nurses, the doctors, patients. Get real. That nurse killed that patient and not the family member of the other patient.

Unbelievable that anyone would blame anyone other than her!

No it is unreasonable to allow health care professionals to be interrupted constantly and not expect errors. They need to concentrate. It was the fault of the family member. You don't fucking distract and intimidate a nurse when she is messing with a fentanyl drip. I had three different patients that needed heparin drips starting simultaneously, obviously I was rushing as well because we were so short staffed, and a visitor nearly caused me to mess it up by getting in my face during about some stupid shit.

When I was a floor nurse ; med surg ;step down ICU


I was asked to take care of 7 and 8 patients for a 12 hour period.

Many were very sick patients;

ivs, giving blood, on blood pressure drips, just back from surgery
doing through DTS

You try to operate in that kind of madness.

You are obviously NOT a nurse nor ever have been.


7 and 8 patients ; how can a human being keep track of all that

family would come in a fu** around all the time


If a nurse could clone herself a few times


Your an idiot and have NO idea what goes on

I'm a year from my BSN and I have decided that I am going to be a mob doc. Cash payment, high-adrenaline work, and no questions.

Fuck tryin to put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

You have to really want to do it

from what I hear out there; most hospitals have NOT changed in these last 10 years and gotten worse.

They ask you to take care of too many patients; and most of the patients are much much sicker than in previous times.

The idiots on here who put nurses down ; just think they are going around and checking on blood pressures all night and day.

HELL NO!!!

they discharge these patients from the ICU s much earlier than in previous years for more revenue....


It is NOT unreasonable for a medical /surgical floor nurse to have 7 and 8 patients in some of the big hospitals.

And ...they are sick sick sick

I remember one Christmas season I worked I was giving blood on 4 of my patients at the same time..... had a few come back from

orthopedic surgery at the same time .....

Had one who was nuts and the psych ward didn't want him

he was a '''runner''' and biter

They threw an IV in him and sent him to the med surg unit....

he was found at 3 in the morning singing Christmas carols at the big tree down the street ; nude....

Nursing is NOT for the faint of heart

NOT NOT NOT

and anyone on here who can say the nurse should of done this and that

Has NO idea what a nurse does

They need to go and shadow a nurse for a shift and see for themselves

get an education


Few nurses get any support from upper management ; either


There are some good hospitals but they are few

few few few

Just remember that the lawyer that sues you takes days to months on one case, takes time off on weekends and holidays, can demand an ex parte suspension of procedings, it rarely procedes for more than a few hours at a time, the lawyer picks and chooses whether he wants to bother taking the case and the judges are advocates for the attorney. In the end one sides lawyer or the other sides lawyer loses and then simply goes home to write up their bill.

How can someone that picks and chooses when, where and how long he works on one case at a time for days and even years, usually arguing about a short or otherwise limited time frame after the fact comprehend what its like to take all comers without choice, having to make choices about the entire process while juggling a dozen different cases in real time with the varying dynamic complexity of needs and processes at the same time, where the only method of determining success is outwitting mother nature who has already deemed the patient dead or permanently damaged meat.


Its just not the same, and to top it off you have to try to convince 12 elementary school dropouts looking to stick it to the 'man' about fine points of science and reality and probablility when these same jurors have been officially deemed too ignorant to obtain a free state issued picture ID.

In truth the doctors and nurses should all take a month or two off from their stations and duties at the same time and see what fun happens in their absence.

And heavens....if one of your patients codes


all goes to hell and fast


You know what a code is??

A code is where you have to get to them ASAP and have

ABGs drawn , blood drawn, do compressions and use the code paddles

You have people come to help you who are from the CODE team but

it still consumes hours of your time

and what happens to the other 6 or 7 patients??

You have to organize and make sure they don't have problems

It is your responsibility


The idiots who produce these shows which show nurses flaunting around with big tits and so forth

gave nursing a bad name ; I would like to sue all of them

I was smart enough to get out of nursing.

I don't do that sh** now.

It was horrible. No help from the upper nursing management

I use to go home and cry

I would then go through my day(night) and rehash in my mind to make sure I didn't make a mistake.


It was NOT for me

I want to warn someone here

you have to really want to work in an environment where most of the '''team''' you work with will back stab you and give you little to no help and your patients are

sick sick sick

I had to take care of a vented patient once with 5 other patients on top of it....

Hell on earth


The hospitals in this country all need to be shut down and reorganized

a few at a time

get rid of the administration who sit around during the day and pick their noses and pull down big bucks

They need to make teams of nurses and doctors as the administrators who meet once or twice a week and discuss issues

I figured out a really good working Hospital plan

but no one cares

I would rather be a stocker at the local grocery store than go back to that nightmare. I don't have the personality. I was too afraid to make a mistake .....and having all that to deal with ....not a good set up

and Yes

nurses are treated like garbage...

There are some states that do have unions and it has improved for nurses

my state has tried 5 times to get a union and failed...

Nurses should call hospital security if anybody gets in their face. Anybody wanting special help for their relative should be handing out $100 bills for the favor.

Well security is getting cut because of the afa. That means we still have violent, confused, disorientated patients but no help when they are kicking the shit out of us.

And with the importance of press gainey in relation to hospital funding, we had better kiss ass even when they are giving us a gut punch because grandma was made to wait for something.

I lived with a nurse, it sounded like hell on earth, women backstabbing and making each other miserable for no apparent reason other than establishing a pecking order, with all manner of abuse from below and above for the generous wage of oh maybe 40 grand, unless you became a professional asshole and go over to managment and become their bitch.

I too am a healthcare provider. I can't feel too sorry for the Hospital systems. I believe they did most of this to themselves. They went right along with Obamacare. Come on, let's get realistic. How in the hell can any hospital justify charging 800.00 to 1200.00 dollars a day, on average, for just a room. Hell, I've thought many a time that if I had to stay in the hospital I'd rather stay at the Hyatt, pay my own nurse & get room service. The room would most assuredly be cleaner, the food better & I wouldn't have to wait for an hour to get a nurse to answer my call. It would be much quieter & I'd actually get some rest instead of listening to the loud cackling of several staff members discussing their personal lives!

Most Hospital staff today have no idea what the word "work" truly means. Sorry, but you've had it pretty easy. I've been around healthcare for over 35 years & patients haven't change much at all. We've always had those that there is just no helping them. You give them the info & realize that they have the right to make their own choices. End of story. When they have a stroke or a heart attack, believe me they do remember that they were informed & there is no one to blame but themselves. I've seen it time & time again.

Hospitals are just now being held accountable & having their reimbursement cut. Physicians have been dealing with this for years. I do agree the AMA is a piece of shit. AAPS (American Academy of Physicians & Surgeons)is fairly new & appears more in tune with reality.

There will always be sick people & their will always be those that are called to assist with caring for those sick people. Money or no money.

One more thing I'd like to add: I noted that many blame the physicians for the addiction of many people. Those of you who believe this premise need to investigate what addiction truly is. Addiction, like alcoholism is an illness. It's not caused by physicians with prescription pads. It's caused by a peculiar mental twist of those that can not control their use of alcohol or narcotics. It is an illness. It can be treated. AA & NA seem to be the best at treating this illness. It's like blaming McDonalds for everyone's obesity. No one is forcing you to buy that junk food.

Thanks for all of the advice, but you're preaching to the choir.

Some things you may not know about me: I am addicted to adrenaline rushes so med/surge is not for me. If I did choose to work in a big hospital, it would be big city ER, like Detroit or Chicago, with lots of trauma. That's why I'd rather be a "mob doctor".

Also, I am an Army Healthcare Specialist, or to put it plainly, "MEDIC!!!" so, GSW's are my specialty. So now that I think about it, Chicago's not right for me for 2nd Amendment reasons.

There is no accountability, there is no allowance for Darwin to buff up the gene pool.

You can only increase the genetic load by punishing the healthy into ill health by forcing their earnings to benefit those who will not be responsible for themselves or the consequences of their choices to defer responsibility for their health to others and then expect perfection from others forced to administer in their place.

The medical field is nothing more than a profitable hunting ground for lawyers peddling the false premise of eternal life with proper medical care.
The hospital administrators are in one the deal.

Basically nobody is on the side of the providers, everyone expects to have their practitioner as their personal step-n-fetchit and reverse a lifetime of neglect and abuse during a comfortable and cheap overnight stay at some miracle hospital.

^ There's nothing comfortable or cheap about a hospital stay, I dunno where you're getting that from.

Idiot, I'm talking about peoples fantasies of what they want, clearly not reality.

So why arent hospitals cheap?

It may have something to do with that they have to pay hundreds of highly trained people to be there each and every day waiting offering the latest treatments available.
It may have to do with the fact the expensive and specialized supplies and machinery required have to be there and working in order before they are ever required.

How many of you give your work away for free before ever finding out if you will ever get paid?

Not to many I reckon.

Like I mentioned before, every single person on a commission based pay scale. For example, if you have a service route and are paid commission, you need to complete that route no matter what. If a customer on your route doesn't pay, you don't get paid.

If you are hourly and aren't being paid for hours you worked, you needed to file a grievance and take legal action.

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file a grievance?
WITH WHO?
The guvmint which mandated you have to treat anyone that shows up for free?

You have no apparent clue about the consequences of being forced to work for free for some and then making it up by charging others double, for themselves and their assigned freeloaders.

Well psychopath rule the world, these power hungry moral idiots will destroy
the whole humanity and themselves.
Are we gonna let them?
I don't think we have a slave mentality, it's a deception/manipulation of
the predatory race among us. Chemical lobotomy /w drugs is really distractive.

I don't think you have a clue about anything. With who? HR and payroll initially, and then the govt if you don't get a remedy.

From the perspective of a hospital employee, you are not working for free. The hospital pays you a wage, unless I am talking to a literal personification of a hospital corporation. Again, if you are paid for hours worked, you have a right to dispute your missing pay.

But I'm not, am I? I'm just talking with somebody spouting bullshit to make some vague point about how it's oh so unfair that we don't let those dirty hoi polloi die in the streets. Health care isn't like buying hardwood floors. If someone can't afford it, they still should receive it.

I wonder if some of you have even actually been broke before.

I feel for the healthcare workers and how hard it is, but I would like to say something about some things that I have observed in the hospitals and Dr offices.

When my daughter was in extreme pain, in the emergency room, it took hours for the nurses to get approval for tests, surgery etc. They would not give my child anything for pain, they did not care, The nurses and doctors, were right there in front of the window, eating snacks, food, laughing, on their phones and computers, in the freakin emergency room. Then, after 5 hours of her being in pain, this arrogant doctor, comes in, an engages my kid in conversation, insinuating that she could be pregnant. I am not stupid, and knew exactly what that ass was getting at. She was, 11 years old, and it ended up being what I told them I thought it was, appendicitis.

This post accurately describes what I have seen in the ER. Many times we get people in our office who need to be seen in the ER. They need radiological & laboratory services on a stat basis, something we don't do in our office. Many refuse to go because of their past experiences in the ER. They will literally suffer in pain at home while awaiting to get tests & results.

The only time I would go to the ER is major friggin trauma. 30 years ago, if this 11 year old had come into our ER, she would have been diagnosed & in the OR in less than an hour. So, why the delay today? Several factors are involved, but the main delay is caused by the need to "get approval" to make sure the bill will be paid. It use to be the Attending Physician making the assessment of the patient that made the sole decisions of care. That physician knew that it was not in the beat interest of the patient to delay treatment. Her appendix might rupture & threaten her life & full recovery.

Today, that Physician would be treated as a nuisance. All the paper pushers, both hospital & insurance, have to get involved. In my opinion, these unnecessary people are the one's increasing the cost & destroying simple, appropriate medical care. They do nothing but frustrate everyone involved & increase the likelihood that the proper medical treatment will be delayed & increase the suffering of the patient.

We don't admit to the hospital anymore because it takes up too much of our time. Our local hospital employs Hospitalists. It never ceases to amaze us that they have never once contacted us when one of our patients is at the ER or admitted to the hospital. That would make too much sense to contact us, the physicians who have been caring for this patient for the last 30 years. We know their past medical history & current medical history. We know their family. We know what makes the patient unique.

It's just down right sad. Most of these Hospitalists have names we can't even pronounce. In other words, they are not American physicians. Is this a problem? In my opinion it is. Many of our elderly patients would rather die than have to spend a night in any hospital. Sad, sad, sad.