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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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There is a good explanation here:

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Whoops. Lost your quote.

What's a nexus point? Good to see you back.
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There is a good explanation here:

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I hesitate to answer these kinds of questions because of their implications. But I will do so anyway. Perhaps we are more ready than we were before.

[snips]

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Chaol,

a quick note to say thank you so much for your reply!
While reading it, the other day, my mind was already spinning with thoughts and more questions... things got clearer in my understanding... then I got swept away during waking time and didn't have time to gather my thoughts.

Ironically, it was a movie set, creating illusion within the illusion...

I couldn't delay further giving you thanks for the great insights. I am a little behind on the thread now, will catch up asap.

And, yes, we are ready!

hf
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btw, there may be an other nexus point Oct 17, 18, 19.

I'm not sure about this one. Could just be a weak but long one, several, or a long and strong one.

Anything could happen :)
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Hmm? Imagine the possibilities!
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Mysterious massive 'explosion' on the nexus point? Must be a coincidence.

Thread: Multi agencies searching for an explosion that has been felt in all NW La..E Texas & S Ar.


@6853315: Anything felt in Texas?
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Yes. Dallas.
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I come bearing gifts, don't know if anyone else has ever found this or seen it, or if Choal is even involved but interesting nonetheless.

[link to ecsys.weebly.com]
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I come bearing gifts, don't know if anyone else has ever found this or seen it, or if Choal is even involved but interesting nonetheless.

[link to ecsys.weebly.com]
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If you browse the threads, you might find that in the author's sig.hf
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I come bearing gifts, don't know if anyone else has ever found this or seen it, or if Choal is even involved but interesting nonetheless.

[link to ecsys.weebly.com]
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See CatCarel. Very nice job she did.
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I come bearing gifts, don't know if anyone else has ever found this or seen it, or if Choal is even involved but interesting nonetheless.

[link to ecsys.weebly.com]
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See CatCarel. Very nice job she did.
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hf

Neuronics thread and February-May of this one will be up within the next day.
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Mysterious massive 'explosion' on the nexus point? Must be a coincidence.

Thread: Multi agencies searching for an explosion that has been felt in all NW La..E Texas & S Ar.


@6853315: Anything felt in Texas?
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Yes. Dallas.
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damned
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There's me keeping an eye on the Return of the Gods every day, after my last reply there, and here you all are carrying the party on over here!

Good to see you back Chaol, and thanks!
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[link to www.wafb.com]

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Nothing is irrelevant.
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Cast your vote for the big erection!

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Cast your vote for the big erection!

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
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...big erection?
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Haha! Erection, sure, exactly.
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Cast your vote for the big erection!

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
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...big erection?
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"r"s are so difficurt to pronounce!

(edit: I mean "rl"s)

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Cast your vote for the big erection!

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
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...big erection?
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"r"s are so difficurt to pronounce!

(edit: I mean "rl"s)
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Terr me about it!
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There's me keeping an eye on the Return of the Gods every day, after my last reply there, and here you all are carrying the party on over here!

Good to see you back Chaol, and thanks!
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Add Chaol's threads to favorites
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Who are we? Who am I?

Throughout the years, my world have interacted with yours on various levels.

In this period, 2001-2013*, as my world and yours more closely combine physically, there are a few things I'd like to share.

We inspired people like da Vinci, Newton, Einstein and millions more unknowns. The Egyptians built their largest pyramid because of us. We influenced nomads to learn the basics of language and science. Ever watched Star Trek or played a video game?

We've even pretended to be 'flying saucers' even though such things are ridiculous to us. (All in good spirits, though.)

And we've done it all without interacting directly with Earth. Most of us don't even know about Earth. (No need to get into how now. Call it kosmosis, or dream world influence, or kitchen utensils.)

Recently, however, we've taken a more active role. Or, should I say that I took it upon myself to find out more about this-thing-that-we-influence.

I first arrived many years ago, in the womb. Since then, I've been doing some influencing of my own in every area from business to design to sports to biology and more. I've made friends along the way and invited another from my own world. It's not an important role. Not many people know about your world.

As your world and my world are "uniting" (for lack of a better expression) there will be more and more correlation between the two. (Along with countless other worlds, but that's an other story all together.) So, lately I've been a bit more active.

Some of us call it the Singularity, Great Shift, Rapture, and lots of other names that we make up when our mind wanders (or, shall I say, when ours minds seek to interpret one-another's thoughts).

From your side you'll experience things that you haven't before, or had just a taste of in your "physical" world.

In the past few years my partner and I have created entire sub-worlds within your world to create things you could never imagine. We've also introduced the idea that a planetary body can carry an electrical discharge (our apologies for creating the TU24 hysteria, but sometimes it's the only way to get people to notice), gotten Obama elected (again, our apologies.. it'll make more sense later), and countless other things we wouldn't want to discuss over a proper meal.

The second act of Ecsys might look like a confusing mound of gibberish but it has actually been carefully planned for over 20 years as a way to introduce the third stage of Ecsys.

In the second act we've prepped entire populations for disruption. (Radioactivity is conscious, wouldn't you know. So is electromagnetism.) We also approached a little-known Russian astronomer named Leonid Elenin and showed him something that has been there for hundreds of thousands of years. (We liked his familiar-sounding name, I guess.)

Why is Elenin important? It represents our world, X. It is not X per se but close enough physically that there's no practical difference.

We are master disruptors. We are what you'd mistakenly call Gods, or "Elohim" in your old tongues. Planet X in your conspiracy theories. The symbol of the cross (or swastika if you're of Buddha), the lotus pose, et cetera. Near-countless.

But, again, most of us have never even heard of (or cared about) Earth. It's a small glimmer in a vast sea of reflections.

We call ourselves simply X. We are the four corners of the Earth (which, ironically, we told you about). We are of the 1, 2, 3, 5. We are of the dream world, but to us we simply are beings free of physical time and space.

More accurately, we do not dream of time and space like you do.

To us, you are in the dream world.

And by meeting us, essentially that which dreams of you, once again you are waking up as we did a few hundred years ago. You will see that our world (your world) has been there all along.

Some of you will crash right into us, some of you will pass right through us, and yet some will never know that we existed.

2 years into Ecsys' introduction, and now it is time for Act III.

Are you ready for our anniversary?

*Note: the dates aren't significant. They're just things we've made up that eventually become your reality. It could have easily been 502-640.
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I KNOW you, and I know your world. It didnt really hit me until a few minutes ago! Your kids always know when I arrive, they know me very well...my dreams are a portal to your world, I have been there many times...and I am always loved when I come, the love u guys give to me is unprecedented...tell them all that I never forget, and I love you ALL very dearly!
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Who are we? Who am I?

Throughout the years, my world have interacted with yours on various levels.

In this period, 2001-2013*, as my world and yours more closely combine physically, there are a few things I'd like to share.

We inspired people like da Vinci, Newton, Einstein and millions more unknowns. The Egyptians built their largest pyramid because of us. We influenced nomads to learn the basics of language and science. Ever watched Star Trek or played a video game?

We've even pretended to be 'flying saucers' even though such things are ridiculous to us. (All in good spirits, though.)

And we've done it all without interacting directly with Earth. Most of us don't even know about Earth. (No need to get into how now. Call it kosmosis, or dream world influence, or kitchen utensils.)

Recently, however, we've taken a more active role. Or, should I say that I took it upon myself to find out more about this-thing-that-we-influence.

I first arrived many years ago, in the womb. Since then, I've been doing some influencing of my own in every area from business to design to sports to biology and more. I've made friends along the way and invited another from my own world. It's not an important role. Not many people know about your world.

As your world and my world are "uniting" (for lack of a better expression) there will be more and more correlation between the two. (Along with countless other worlds, but that's an other story all together.) So, lately I've been a bit more active.

Some of us call it the Singularity, Great Shift, Rapture, and lots of other names that we make up when our mind wanders (or, shall I say, when ours minds seek to interpret one-another's thoughts).

From your side you'll experience things that you haven't before, or had just a taste of in your "physical" world.

In the past few years my partner and I have created entire sub-worlds within your world to create things you could never imagine. We've also introduced the idea that a planetary body can carry an electrical discharge (our apologies for creating the TU24 hysteria, but sometimes it's the only way to get people to notice), gotten Obama elected (again, our apologies.. it'll make more sense later), and countless other things we wouldn't want to discuss over a proper meal.

The second act of Ecsys might look like a confusing mound of gibberish but it has actually been carefully planned for over 20 years as a way to introduce the third stage of Ecsys.

In the second act we've prepped entire populations for disruption. (Radioactivity is conscious, wouldn't you know. So is electromagnetism.) We also approached a little-known Russian astronomer named Leonid Elenin and showed him something that has been there for hundreds of thousands of years. (We liked his familiar-sounding name, I guess.)

Why is Elenin important? It represents our world, X. It is not X per se but close enough physically that there's no practical difference.

We are master disruptors. We are what you'd mistakenly call Gods, or "Elohim" in your old tongues. Planet X in your conspiracy theories. The symbol of the cross (or swastika if you're of Buddha), the lotus pose, et cetera. Near-countless.

But, again, most of us have never even heard of (or cared about) Earth. It's a small glimmer in a vast sea of reflections.

We call ourselves simply X. We are the four corners of the Earth (which, ironically, we told you about). We are of the 1, 2, 3, 5. We are of the dream world, but to us we simply are beings free of physical time and space.

More accurately, we do not dream of time and space like you do.

To us, you are in the dream world.

And by meeting us, essentially that which dreams of you, once again you are waking up as we did a few hundred years ago. You will see that our world (your world) has been there all along.

Some of you will crash right into us, some of you will pass right through us, and yet some will never know that we existed.

2 years into Ecsys' introduction, and now it is time for Act III.

Are you ready for our anniversary?

*Note: the dates aren't significant. They're just things we've made up that eventually become your reality. It could have easily been 502-640.
 Quoting: Chaol

I KNOW you, and I know your world. It didnt really hit me until a few minutes ago! Your kids always know when I arrive, they know me very well...my dreams are a portal to your world, I have been there many times...and I am always loved when I come, the love u guys give to me is unprecedented...tell them all that I never forget, and I love you ALL very dearly!
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I am going to sleep right now cuz I got into my cups a bit early this evening...when my eyes close, I will go to your world. I quiver with anticipation as always...meet me on the beach with the weird trees and the kids running all over the place and the cute little rat-like creatures that talk!
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btw, there may be an other nexus point Oct 17, 18, 19.

I'm not sure about this one. Could just be a weak but long one, several, or a long and strong one.

Anything could happen :)
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Hmm? Imagine the possibilities!
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Yes, today was a nexus point. It was subtle but many caught it!!!!
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Hi Choal,

A sensory deprivation tank is a sound proof and completely dark tank. It is filled with salt and water heated to the temperature of your body. There is enough salt to float so that your ears are under water, greatly decreasing hearing. When introducing meditation to silence thought then there is nothing being perceived. If it worked perfectly what would the implications of this be?

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Hi. Thanks for your patience regarding this. (I've been thinking of a more advanced application that I can easily illustrate in English, per your last line.)

But for sensory deprivation, I would say that it is not possible to deprive the senses. As I mentioned before there is one 'sense' that is interpreted in various ways such as thought, dreams, and what is called five senses of taste, touch, hearing, etc.

If you 'deprive' one of these interpretations your total sense is not affected. That is to say, you are still perceiving at the same level. However, if you decrease your 'hearing sense' then you will increase an other interpretation.

(It is not that it increases. It is more that you pay more attention to the other interpretations.)

It is the same thing when you drift into sleepyland. If you decrease a certain kind of thinking ('alert thought', for example) you will probably become more aware of your dream sense (your dream interpretation of your reality).

However, you were dreaming all along. You just did not interpret your relationships that way so much. (i.e., you weren't really paying attention to it)

So if your sensory deprivation chamber worked perfectly then you would just become more aware of one of your other interpretations of reality. Perhaps you'd pay more attention to your dreams, for example.

Can a symbol change? Let's say I had a symbol that represented automated income, could it change into something like a symbol that represents a golden era of happiness for all? Does this mean that I logically view a golden era as the most relative and logical way to achieve some sort of automated income. Or maybe because my goals have changed and I have little use for money that it is allowing me to continue on my path.
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The symbol does not change. An interpretation of the symbol's relationship with other symbols changes.

Really, there is no symbol. None of these symbols (from which you perceive the relationships) actually exist. A symbol only has value in relation to other symbols. So we're not perceiving of the symbol itself but the relationships between them. (What I call the geometry of relationships.)

But for your example, the "golden era of happiness for all" symbol would be quite difficult to represent. You would be representing it from your current perspective. However, you may not be aware of how your other perspectives see it. Thus, it is not likely that you are interpreting your symbol as having changed into it. It is more likely that you are not paying attention to how it is working in your perspective.

Not that you did, but if you created a "golden era of happiness for all" symbol it may turn into the "parade of monkeys from hell" 10 logical steps down the road. In fact, I'm guessing it would because then your total perspective would respond to your passive declaration of, "I know what happiness means for everyone."

Really, there is no need to concern yourself with anyone else in the sense that you see a separation. (This is why, oftentimes, when we help someone else it evolves that our help makes them worse off. Because at the time, in these cases, we had not realized the separation between us and them is an illusion. The less you realize that you and an other person is the same thing the more conflict you would experience.)

So it may be that you view but you are seeing a 'golden era of happiness for all' and are missing how it logically applies to your intention.

Also, "logical right now" and "logical" are a bit different. This one is a bit tricky because we tend to think we know what would logically come next.

You'll notice that I normally append 'all things considered' when I mention 'the next logical step'. Because a more total perspective must be considered.

So something may happen to you that does not make sense. We can say that this is completely logical, all things (in your perspective) considered, but perhaps not logical for a few values in your perspective.

For example, George may wonder why he got hurt when he asked his best friend for help. "It doesn't make sense", he may exclaim. "I did everything I could. I tried to see how I could best help my friend and I asked nicely. But he just got upset and me and said I was treating him like a baby."

But George is forgetting that there are more values in the geometry of relationships than what is most on his mind at this moment. He is also not considering that both he and his friend are his interpretations.

When he desires to help his friend, does he realize that he wants to help himself? Does he believe his motives to be self-less. It may seem a noble thing, to help someone else, but it may actually work against him if he does not consider that his friend is him. All of what he knows and feels about his friend exist entirely within his own perception.

Also, of course, there may be a lot of things he is ignoring in his own perspective. Perhaps it was not easy to help his friend. He had to jump through hoops to position himself to help his friend. He was actually working against the natural course of things, which creates further conflict.

He then sees nature putting him back into place (putting himself again in the path of least resistance) as a kind of punishment or conflict in his reality.

He focuses on help but ignores the more valuable Relationship. Instead of interacting with him he communicates to himself about how he can best help him. He seeks to be the hero (further resisting himself as his friend) if only for a short time. Again, all the while ignoring the value of the relationships and also basic interaction.

So, again, something may be logical in a more expansive way but may not make sense to you if you are ignoring certain relationships. (Your relationship with more things.)

There is different kind of logic, of course. Each perspective is a logic.

If you have a symbol that represents 'automated income' you should probably further define that that is and what it means. (Automated how, and income of what?)

You may get exactly what you wanted but it may not make sense to you because you did not realize that there are different kinds of perspective. Perhaps you'd win a lifetime supply of peanuts or every Monday at 6pm your neighbor visits you (automated income).

Or perhaps it would become 'a golden era of happiness for all of what I am', depending on your interpretation.

So basically you would do well to define 'automated income' for more than your current perspective. Find out exactly what you mean. If you need multiple representations that's fine. At least you will have then focused your perspective on it.

If it appeared that your symbol changed into 'golden era of happiness for all' perhaps it is because that is how your your more expansive perspective interpreted it.

It's not about goals at all. It is only about relationships. So it is possible that your relationships with money [I'm not sure if this is how you defined 'income', though] had changed. As your relationships change so would your reality.

Would the golden era of happiness for all have to include some sort of automated income for it to become relative and the symbol to change. Or does automated income have to become irrelevant for it to become relative.

I guess I am just a little confused on how symbols transform.

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Something is relative through its relationships with you.

If you are a classical pirate searching for buried treasure, for example, you would begin by creating relationships with what you perceive to be the reality of the buried treasure.

You begin to 'perceive' the buried treasure is in a dark cavern with a waterfall with bats perched above it, for example, in a daydream. (The pirate begins to see it in his current perspective. You current perspective, of course, would include your thoughts, dreams, senses, etc.)

He can then develop a relationship with waterfalls and bats in order to bring the reality of the buried treasure nearer.

Think 'six degrees of separation'. You want to meet Kevin Bacon so you start by meeting the person that is closest to you in order to get there. Each logical step is a degree of separation.

You would not start out by finding buried treasure. That would probably not work. You need to uncover the logical path to it. You find it, in a way, through peripheral perspective.

Is there only one symbol needed initially, or should we always be trying to transform that symbol until the symbol is the representation? In the case of the table to spaceship, at first the symbol for the space ship is the table, but after the table drawer is opened and the science paper is found, does following the path of least resistance mean that the spaceship is now symbolized in the paper.

I believe this is where most people are stuck in ecsys. Perhaps you can elaborate on the path of least resistance and relativity.

Following a symbol I made a few months ago has led me to take a year off of Dental school. I am enjoying the ride but I would really like to take my understanding of ecsys to greater levels.
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When using symbols be sure to begin with a new symbol that has little value to your current perspective. (If you use a plain table then the table all ready has a value associated with it in your perspective, and would thus cloud your experience.) Usually this is accomplished by creating a new thing.

If you want to transform the table into something new in order to uncover the spaceship, that can work too. This is because you are re-interpreting what the table is. You are realizing the nature of perspective. That there is no time or space between the table and the spaceship, only your illusion of the separation.

At first the table is the table. Then you re-interpret what the table is, creating logical steps to your spaceship. You don't need to know what the 5th step will be or how it will make sense later. Your map need only include the next step, not the total steps.

(This is because if you are at 'Step 1' it is impossible for you to interpret 'Step 5' from the perspective of 'Step 4'. Your interpretation of Step 5 would then be from Step 1's perspective, and that would be useless because it would change by the time you got there.)

When you open the drawer you are already re-interpreting it as something else. You begin to see the table as the spaceship itself. You then de-anchor it from its tableness and see more of how it is connected with all things. Perhaps you'll just see that it's composed of wood and then observe the pieces of wood and think about how wood can be made into other things. Perhaps it is the shape. Perhaps if you bring it close to your nose and absorb the scent that it will smell like cookies and you will think about how the table is a giant cookie and there are cookies on your spaceship.

It's all about relationships and creating a logical path to an other perspective.

Any chance for some more advanced topics?
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Yes. It will be in my next post.

I hope the above has helped in some way. Thanks.
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Hi Choal,

A sensory deprivation tank is a sound proof and completely dark tank. It is filled with salt and water heated to the temperature of your body. There is enough salt to float so that your ears are under water, greatly decreasing hearing. When introducing meditation to silence thought then there is nothing being perceived. If it worked perfectly what would the implications of this be?

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Would the golden era of happiness for all have to include some sort of automated income for it to become relative and the symbol to change. Or does automated income have to become irrelevant for it to become relative.

I guess I am just a little confused on how symbols transform.

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Something is relative through its relationships with you.

If you are a classical pirate searching for buried treasure, for example, you would begin by creating relationships with what you perceive to be the reality of the buried treasure.

You begin to 'perceive' the buried treasure is in a dark cavern with a waterfall with bats perched above it, for example, in a daydream. (The pirate begins to see it in his current perspective. You current perspective, of course, would include your thoughts, dreams, senses, etc.)

He can then develop a relationship with waterfalls and bats in order to bring the reality of the buried treasure nearer.

Think 'six degrees of separation'. You want to meet Kevin Bacon so you start by meeting the person that is closest to you in order to get there. Each logical step is a degree of separation.

You would not start out by finding buried treasure. That would probably not work. You need to uncover the logical path to it. You find it, in a way, through peripheral perspective.

Is there only one symbol needed initially, or should we always be trying to transform that symbol until the symbol is the representation? In the case of the table to spaceship, at first the symbol for the space ship is the table, but after the table drawer is opened and the science paper is found, does following the path of least resistance mean that the spaceship is now symbolized in the paper.

I believe this is where most people are stuck in ecsys. Perhaps you can elaborate on the path of least resistance and relativity.

Following a symbol I made a few months ago has led me to take a year off of Dental school. I am enjoying the ride but I would really like to take my understanding of ecsys to greater levels.
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When using symbols be sure to begin with a new symbol that has little value to your current perspective. (If you use a plain table then the table all ready has a value associated with it in your perspective, and would thus cloud your experience.) Usually this is accomplished by creating a new thing.

If you want to transform the table into something new in order to uncover the spaceship, that can work too. This is because you are re-interpreting what the table is. You are realizing the nature of perspective. That there is no time or space between the table and the spaceship, only your illusion of the separation.

At first the table is the table. Then you re-interpret what the table is, creating logical steps to your spaceship. You don't need to know what the 5th step will be or how it will make sense later. Your map need only include the next step, not the total steps.

(This is because if you are at 'Step 1' it is impossible for you to interpret 'Step 5' from the perspective of 'Step 4'. Your interpretation of Step 5 would then be from Step 1's perspective, and that would be useless because it would change by the time you got there.)

When you open the drawer you are already re-interpreting it as something else. You begin to see the table as the spaceship itself. You then de-anchor it from its tableness and see more of how it is connected with all things. Perhaps you'll just see that it's composed of wood and then observe the pieces of wood and think about how wood can be made into other things. Perhaps it is the shape. Perhaps if you bring it close to your nose and absorb the scent that it will smell like cookies and you will think about how the table is a giant cookie and there are cookies on your spaceship.

It's all about relationships and creating a logical path to an other perspective.

Any chance for some more advanced topics?
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Yes. It will be in my next post.

I hope the above has helped in some way. Thanks.
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Hello Chaol,

Thank you for all you're doing to teach us. I'm only on page 4 of this thread and have looked through the ECSYS website some, so I have a lot to learn. However, in the post above, you broached on something I would like to ask you about. I hope you don't mind me jumping in with a question.

I am wondering about symbols we receive from our subconscious, either through dream-time or meditation. Are these more powerful to use as we create new perspectives?

One reason I ask is I had a powerful experience and shortly after that, I received a symbol. I drew the symbol. After studying the ECSYS website, I have decided to draw the symbol every day.

However, the symbol seems to me to be step 5. So, I'm thinking I need to think of a symbol for step 2. If so, I wonder why I received the symbol that to me, is step 5?

Thank you.

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Any chance for some more advanced topics?
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Though we are only at the beginning of what you may call the 2nd level of Ecsys, what we can do is apply what we have learned in new ways.

I believe you can use the following exercise for a more advanced illustration of Ecsys.

But first, a synopsis of the elements.

Symbol - a representation of anything else

Interaction - when a symbol (including yourself) relates with an other symbol

Possibility - the potential energy of a symbol (without interaction of any kind)

Logic - structure or order of any kind

(for your reference, see [link to ecsys.org] )

Expanded Perspective Exercise

As an exercise we will take one of the above elements (as it seems in our perspective) and remove the other elements that enable it to form your reality.

Let's say that I have a symbol; an old coin that my grandfather gave me. (A symbol can be anything. Everything that you can sense is a symbol. It need not have a special meaning.)

For us to expand our perspective in this exercise means that you are realizing how it is a value of your perspective, not a separate thing outside of who you are. We can do this exercise with one thing, move on to other things, and then eventually feel more at ease with expanding our perspective to include more of what we are (everything in it, and without it).

As we reconnect we first get an idea for how the other elements work with the symbol. This means identifying, from your perspective, how it Interacts, where its Possibilities converge, and what its Logic is.

We may realize that no one else interacts with it. However, keep in mind that interaction is about perspective rather than people. If it's kept in the closet then it is also interacting with the other items in the closet and its environment, because it has developed a relationship with those things. It also interacts with other similar coins because that may be how you value it, even if those coins are nowhere near its physical space. Farther, we keep it in the closet in a small plastic envelope (possibility and potential energy; or its "space" if that suits you better). For logic, every year around Christmas (when grandpa gave it to us) we take it out and polish it.

To expand your perspective, change the values of the elements. When you change the values you are not only changing your relationship with that thing but seeing how expansive your perspective really is.

Interaction - change its relationships with other things.

Possibility - change the space in which it rests. Take it out of its plastic envelope and find a new home for it.

Logic - Change or create a new structure for it.

The above exercise is actually quite simple. You take an element (any element of the 4), define the other 3 elements around it, and change the values of those elements.

If your chosen thing is of the logic element then edit its symbol, possibilities, and interaction. If it's of the potential energy (possibility) element then play around with its logic, interaction, and symbol. Et cetera.

By doing this exercise you are expanding your own interpretation of the elements. When you do it for one thing in your reality you are learning how to do it for all, as there is no real difference between the two.

Eventually, you may be comfortable enough to do this automatically throughout the day. For example, you may find that when you look at your sun and realize its elements you can actually become it.

Time and space will then be just references for you. You'll perceive less separation between you and 'anything else'. There will be much less limit to what you can perceive (and do) because you will have more conscious influence about your perspective.

Hope this helps. This is still 'basic' (though not very basic) but it may prove valuable to many of you, if done.

Let me know if something can be clarified.
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Hello Chaol,

Thank you for all you're doing to teach us. I'm only on page 4 of this thread and have looked through the ECSYS website some, so I have a lot to learn. However, in the post above, you broached on something I would like to ask you about. I hope you don't mind me jumping in with a question.

I am wondering about symbols we receive from our subconscious, either through dream-time or meditation. Are these more powerful to use as we create new perspectives?

One reason I ask is I had a powerful experience and shortly after that, I received a symbol. I drew the symbol. After studying the ECSYS website, I have decided to draw the symbol every day.

However, the symbol seems to me to be step 5. So, I'm thinking I need to think of a symbol for step 2. If so, I wonder why I received the symbol that to me, is step 5?

Thank you.
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You are everywhere surrounded by symbols. Without them, you would not be able to perceive anything. Some symbols have more 'potential energy' than others, and thus could be thought of as being powerful symbols.

Not all symbols you perceive while dreaming or meditating are powerful, of course. Most aren't.

How do you know which ones are powerful symbols? Imagine that your symbols were like cities strewn across a continent. Some of these symbols will have more of this potential energy and will attract other symbols. It is the reason why cities like New York became very popular but Edison did not.

Symbols are only powerful through their relationships. So just look to see which ones form more relationships than others.

Most symbols cannot be drawn. What you experienced could have been an interpretation of something else, or even an other symbol that was not easily perceived.

Just remember that when you draw the symbol you are not capturing its essence but only drawing a reference. The symbol represents something you cannot draw.

A symbol (per the Genius) would be a unique symbol that you create. If you use a symbol that you perceived while dreaming it all ready has meaning attached to it, and likely would not work.

Come up with a unique symbol in this world, and work with it from there. Have an intention in mind but make no assumptions about it. Just see where it takes you. Often, it will take you on a particular route to your destination that you could not have imagined.

Hope this helps Some.
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Ah, okay. So in the case of looking at "what I really want" is it accurate that you are speaking in terms of the dissolution of lack, or, in the negative? As in, "what I really want" being "no bills" or "no walls"?

Let's say what I really want is a chocolate mint ice-cream cone. Should I look at this and make the choco mint ice-cream cone irrelevant? Or are you suggesting I look at the lack of the ice-cream cone (What I want being "not not having the ice-cream cone") and make that irrelevant?

Thanks for sticking through this, I realize how convoluted it is. Again, appreciate clarity!
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To add...

remember that a chocolate mint ice cream cone is an illusion. So when you, for example, 'wish' for it you are not really wishing for anything because there is no ice cream cone.

You have to wish around it. Meaning, you are bringing the perspective about that contains the ice cream cone relationships.

What does it mean to engage new ice cream cone perspectives? Well, think about what it means. Maybe someone else wants to have a bite.. who is it? You need napkins. What do they look like? It makes you thirsty. What's your drink? Darn, it fell on the carpet! What do you need to use to clean it up? It makes you feel happy and bloated afterwards. What is that like and when else have you felt that way?

The ice cream cone exists only in these relationships.

Perceive the relationships and the cone will begin to be experienced.

(The cone itself is irrelevant. However, the cone can become more relevant by perceiving its relationships. Don't think about the cone directly.)

Hope this helps :)
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Hello Chaol,

Thank you for all you're doing to teach us. I'm only on page 4 of this thread and have looked through the ECSYS website some, so I have a lot to learn. However, in the post above, you broached on something I would like to ask you about. I hope you don't mind me jumping in with a question.

I am wondering about symbols we receive from our subconscious, either through dream-time or meditation. Are these more powerful to use as we create new perspectives?

One reason I ask is I had a powerful experience and shortly after that, I received a symbol. I drew the symbol. After studying the ECSYS website, I have decided to draw the symbol every day.

However, the symbol seems to me to be step 5. So, I'm thinking I need to think of a symbol for step 2. If so, I wonder why I received the symbol that to me, is step 5?

Thank you.
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You are everywhere surrounded by symbols. Without them, you would not be able to perceive anything. Some symbols have more 'potential energy' than others, and thus could be thought of as being powerful symbols.

Not all symbols you perceive while dreaming or meditating are powerful, of course. Most aren't.

How do you know which ones are powerful symbols? Imagine that your symbols were like cities strewn across a continent. Some of these symbols will have more of this potential energy and will attract other symbols. It is the reason why cities like New York became very popular but Edison did not.

Symbols are only powerful through their relationships. So just look to see which ones form more relationships than others.

Most symbols cannot be drawn. What you experienced could have been an interpretation of something else, or even an other symbol that was not easily perceived.

Just remember that when you draw the symbol you are not capturing its essence but only drawing a reference. The symbol represents something you cannot draw.

A symbol (per the Genius) would be a unique symbol that you create. If you use a symbol that you perceived while dreaming it all ready has meaning attached to it, and likely would not work.

Come up with a unique symbol in this world, and work with it from there. Have an intention in mind but make no assumptions about it. Just see where it takes you. Often, it will take you on a particular route to your destination that you could not have imagined.

Hope this helps Some.
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sorry, double post.

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Hello Chaol,

Thank you for all you're doing to teach us. I'm only on page 4 of this thread and have looked through the ECSYS website some, so I have a lot to learn. However, in the post above, you broached on something I would like to ask you about. I hope you don't mind me jumping in with a question.

I am wondering about symbols we receive from our subconscious, either through dream-time or meditation. Are these more powerful to use as we create new perspectives?

One reason I ask is I had a powerful experience and shortly after that, I received a symbol. I drew the symbol. After studying the ECSYS website, I have decided to draw the symbol every day.

However, the symbol seems to me to be step 5. So, I'm thinking I need to think of a symbol for step 2. If so, I wonder why I received the symbol that to me, is step 5?

Thank you.
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You are everywhere surrounded by symbols. Without them, you would not be able to perceive anything. Some symbols have more 'potential energy' than others, and thus could be thought of as being powerful symbols.

Not all symbols you perceive while dreaming or meditating are powerful, of course. Most aren't.

How do you know which ones are powerful symbols? Imagine that your symbols were like cities strewn across a continent. Some of these symbols will have more of this potential energy and will attract other symbols. It is the reason why cities like New York became very popular but Edison did not.

Symbols are only powerful through their relationships. So just look to see which ones form more relationships than others.

Most symbols cannot be drawn. What you experienced could have been an interpretation of something else, or even an other symbol that was not easily perceived.

Just remember that when you draw the symbol you are not capturing its essence but only drawing a reference. The symbol represents something you cannot draw.

A symbol (per the Genius) would be a unique symbol that you create. If you use a symbol that you perceived while dreaming it all ready has meaning attached to it, and likely would not work.

Come up with a unique symbol in this world, and work with it from there. Have an intention in mind but make no assumptions about it. Just see where it takes you. Often, it will take you on a particular route to your destination that you could not have imagined.

Hope this helps Some.
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Okay, I'm a little lost but this does help. I have 3 questions.

1) By unique symbol, does this mean something unique that is already a symbol in the world? You say the symbol in the dream already has meaning around it. But the same can be said of any symbol. For example: taking photos of the car I want is a car that's already in the world. How is that unique?

2) Also, is it beneficial for those of us learning this, to share with each other so we are interacting to bring it into our world? I'm creating a blog with my symbols. If someone here wants to participate and do the same, we could make comments on each other's blog just to get us interacting with our symbols. I plan to do other things too, but this might be helpful.

3) What about the perception of higher states of conscientiousness? This isn't quite as tangible. Do you have any different recommendations for this? Additionally, I'll add that I'd like to by-pass the astral plane so not sure how to use a symbol.

Thank you

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Okay, I'm a little lost but this does help. I have 3 questions.

1) By unique symbol, does this mean something unique that is already a symbol in the world? You say the symbol in the dream already has meaning around it. But the same can be said of any symbol. For example: taking photos of the car I want is a car that's already in the world. How is that unique?

2) Also, is it beneficial for those of us learning this, to share with each other so we are interacting to bring it into our world? I'm creating a blog with my symbols. If someone here wants to participate and do the same, we could make comments on each other's blog just to get us interacting with our symbols. I plan to do other things too, but this might be helpful.

3) What about the perception of higher states of conscientiousness? This isn't quite as tangible. Do you have any different recommendations for this?

Thank you
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Hi.

1) Just make it something that you have not seen before. (A photo of a car is a different symbol than a car itself. One is a photo, one is a car. But make the new symbol something you don't think you've seen before. This doesn't mean it is free of meaning; as if it were you wouldn't be able to perceive it. But some symbols have more meaning attached than others, from your perspective.

2) It's a good idea. It would certainly allow your new symbols to interact in different ways.

3) I am unable to answer your question, as I do not know what a higher state of consciousness would be like. (I don't think there is such a thing.) But for an expanded awareness, do you not do this several times a day (at least upon waking or dreaming)? "Higher" is here, now.
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One thing you may want to prepare for, psychologically, is the possibility of having people from an other world make themselves known on Earth.

I do not know if it is by craft, teleportation, car, bus, or train. But it should be before the year is out.

"How far do I go?"
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For the curious...

the recent events in the skies and below ground are the 'logical steps' before this kind of contact (as noted in the quote above).

We are redefining what is above our heads and below our feet as we expand our perspective, and this is a part of that. We are growing in all directions. Some of us are even getting plump and juicy! lol

There are tremendous seas of lava now shifting below your feet (as I've pointed out in the Farpoint Station thread) and tremendous seas of 'space lava' shifting above your head, too.

These are representations of course. As we progress we will redefine what they are.

The lava under your feet will be reinterpreted as something else, as will the symbols above your head.

The 'return of the gods', indeed. That is to say, re-membering your expanded perspective.

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