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20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!

 
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
Just woken up here, haven't read the thread so don't know if this has been posted..


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Re: Lawrence Methuen Andover gas explosions. This was posted on the Columbia website today.

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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
Every site is different, you couldn't just get your hands on some documents and figure everything out.

You would need an expert in PLC logic and an expert in a particular type of control system for a particular type of utility to really do something like this, that could be the same person if they worked in that particular sector.

You would really need a state level actor to pull an attack off, unless it was an insider who worked on the systems.
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easy. just look for an employee with a pet goat.
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A pet goat that walks funny and has a hollow look in his eyes...

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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
If it's an attack or an accident doesn't matter...IT HAPPENED!

That means any house/structure with a gas line can go BOOM at any time, without warning!

And that includes MY HOUSE!

It's not "supposed to" happen...but it did.

This is freakin' me out a little!
 Quoting: Mental Case


this is one part of the reason it will not be all over the news. lots of people would feel the way you do

we were just talking about gas lines here in our area last evening. some said NO, not now, not ever.
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
If it's an attack or an accident doesn't matter...IT HAPPENED!

That means any house/structure with a gas line can go BOOM at any time, without warning!

And that includes MY HOUSE!

It's not "supposed to" happen...but it did.

This is freakin' me out a little!
 Quoting: Mental Case


^^This

Now know exactly the reason why I will not use it. To think one minute all's ok and next minute you aren't. No warning?
Scary!!
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
If it's an attack or an accident doesn't matter...IT HAPPENED!

That means any house/structure with a gas line can go BOOM at any time, without warning!

And that includes MY HOUSE!

It's not "supposed to" happen...but it did.

This is freakin' me out a little!
 Quoting: Mental Case


Well consider this... 35,000 people are killed in the US each year in car accidents, while maybe a couple dozen are killed by gas explosions.

Shit... I don't think I helped you feel any better, did I?
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This is a real possibility.


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Lets just hope it stops here and no other communities are hit by this type of attack.

We all need to be very prepared for the worst case scenario's in our communities and keep the panic down to minimum.

Local Sheriffs and LEO's need to also get organized with trusted community members for plans of action ASAP! If you leave your community out it will destroy your plans and cause more problems and possibly overwhelm your community.

American citizen's be a part of the solution not the problem.

Prayer for all involved for safety and quick returns to their homes!!

yoda
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They are using the storm as a cover for a test. This was a blatant cyber attack from Russia China or Iran. I call that an act of war & I hope this is truthfully investigated and not forgotten. We are in a cyber war, who knows what we have done. I don't give a shit as long as we win!
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drevil
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they're just testing how much bullshit they can shove down our throats.
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
Just woken up here, haven't read the thread so don't know if this has been posted..


Possible cause?

Burke_Metro
Re: Lawrence Methuen Andover gas explosions. This was posted on the Columbia website today.

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good find.
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
If it's an attack or an accident doesn't matter...IT HAPPENED!

That means any house/structure with a gas line can go BOOM at any time, without warning!

And that includes MY HOUSE!

It's not "supposed to" happen...but it did.

This is freakin' me out a little!
 Quoting: Mental Case


Well consider this... 35,000 people are killed in the US each year in car accidents, while maybe a couple dozen are killed by gas explosions.

Shit... I don't think I helped you feel any better, did I?

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body counts aren't useful to determine Homeland Security.
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
There is an Imam in Boston who is in charge of the whole operation in the US. He is over 8 other prominent Imams who are calling the shots of terrorism cells.

Be aware, be prepared.
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what is his name and the names of the 8 others?
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
If it's an attack or an accident doesn't matter...IT HAPPENED!

That means any house/structure with a gas line can go BOOM at any time, without warning!

And that includes MY HOUSE!

It's not "supposed to" happen...but it did.

This is freakin' me out a little!
 Quoting: Mental Case


Well consider this... 35,000 people are killed in the US each year in car accidents, while maybe a couple dozen are killed by gas explosions.

Shit... I don't think I helped you feel any better, did I?

 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Have you local Gas company do a check on your system and have them explain how this won't happen to your home.

Get information and understanding of your home systems. Screw the fear...fix the problem, not to be rude to you..I also have gas and will be ding a check up tomorrow.
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
'There are so many fires, you can't see the sky': Multiple injuries as more than 70 homes EXPLODE near Boston after 'gas main meltdown' - and thousands of residents are told to 'get out now!'

Leonel Rondon, 18, has been identified as the 18-year-old man killed in Lawrence on Thursday
Up to 70 fires are being reported in Lawrence, Andover and North Andover
Officials said problems with the natural gas system caused multiple explosions
Methuen Police Chief said there are so many fires 'you can't even see the sky'
Police are urging residents to leave their homes if they smell gas and said residents with Columbia Gas service should evacuate immediately
At least one home has been demolished, according to local media outlets
State police said that the power company would be shutting off power to all of Lawrence, North Andover and Andover 'to assist in the gas situation'
All the fires in Andover have been extinguished, where a total of 35 fires were reported

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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
Well consider this... 35,000 people are killed in the US each year in car accidents,

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Yeah, I hear ya.

I wouldn't even be bothered if one accident took out one house with a gas explosion.

But to think of high pressure just going down the line popping homes & buildings like popcorn...

It's a tad bit disconcerting!
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
If it's an attack or an accident doesn't matter...IT HAPPENED!

That means any house/structure with a gas line can go BOOM at any time, without warning!

And that includes MY HOUSE!

It's not "supposed to" happen...but it did.

This is freakin' me out a little!
 Quoting: Mental Case


No thanks, I'll stick with my propane system.

I have installed my system and am fully confident in my work.

Gas is only as safe as you make it.
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
If it's an attack or an accident doesn't matter...IT HAPPENED!

That means any house/structure with a gas line can go BOOM at any time, without warning!

And that includes MY HOUSE!

It's not "supposed to" happen...but it did.

This is freakin' me out a little!
 Quoting: Mental Case


I don't know much about natural gas, but I do know about propane (and propane accessories). Can you install a pressure regulator on the gas line coming into the house?
I see a lot of them on propane fueled houses.
If so, I would do this right away.
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
Well consider this... 35,000 people are killed in the US each year in car accidents,

-------

Yeah, I hear ya.

I wouldn't even be bothered if one accident took out one house with a gas explosion.

But to think of high pressure just going down the line popping homes & buildings like popcorn...

It's a tad bit disconcerting!
 Quoting: Mental Case


Yeah, if even half of those fatal accidents occurred at the same time on the same highway, it would be a lot more terrifying, wouldn’t it? The way we feel about things can’t be explained by cold logic.
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
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Per local news

Off ramps on 495 from exit 41 thru 45 are closed
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93 (north and south bound) exit 45 off ramp to River Road closed

Shit show of traffic!
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Its total gridlock.

Reported on the news and in local MA forums. Nothing is moving....
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This is why you don't live in a city.
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Precisely.
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
So what they are saying now is that the entire system overpressurised forcing gas into homes. 100 plus incidences and 60 plus fires. My question is why do don’t any alarms go off why didn’t any of the fail safes work? There not saying how anything about how it happened except that the fbi and the ntsb are investigating. There are no hotel rooms available anywhere near here it’s crazy
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That is impossible, red top valves and galvanized gas pipe in homes hold more pressure then the lines running in the ground under the street.

I guess the water heaters and things with open jets could have blow torched causing fire in homes.
 Quoting: MaxwellSmart007


Not all points. Example: furnaces. They turn off and on automatically. To do this they have to be easy to turn. These could have weaker areas that would leak.
 Quoting: confused_but_not_idiot


Every NG gas appliance has a control valve/regulator that is designed to work at around 7" to 9" of water column working pressure, or around 1/3rd PSI. If the piping system were introduced to 10 psi, it would blow the diaphragms/control valves of every gas appliance.

Once that happened, the 10 psi flow of gas would be blowing into the structure from every gas appliance, unabated.

Last Edited by TheGasMan II on 09/13/2018 11:59 PM
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
A guy over at ZH was saying this happened about 10 years ago not far away from today's disaster.

Apparently some knucklehead hooked up a high pressure feed line to the low pressure residential lines. The high pressure blew out all the pressure regulators at the homes and mayhem ensued.

Not as bad as today but the same thing.

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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
If it's an attack or an accident doesn't matter...IT HAPPENED!

That means any house/structure with a gas line can go BOOM at any time, without warning!

And that includes MY HOUSE!

It's not "supposed to" happen...but it did.

This is freakin' me out a little!
 Quoting: Mental Case


I don't know much about natural gas, but I do know about propane (and propane accessories). Can you install a pressure regulator on the gas line coming into the house?
I see a lot of them on propane fueled houses.
If so, I would do this right away.
 Quoting: GrizzlyBear


Propane is a different animal but a close cousin. Most propane homes use an integral or twin stage regulator with two built in diaphragms at the tank. If one fails the other catches it.

Some utilize a 2 regulator system. One at the tank and one at the point of entry into the structure. In this case, both have two diaphragms.

Different houses need different pressures with propane, depending on total BTU rating.

Good thing about a propane system is that it is independent. They are not susceptible to outside failures like NG can be.

Last Edited by TheGasMan II on 09/14/2018 12:03 AM
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
A guy over at ZH was saying this happened about 10 years ago not far away from today's disaster.

Apparently some knucklehead hooked up a high pressure feed line to the low pressure residential lines. The high pressure blew out all the pressure regulators at the homes and mayhem ensued.

Not as bad as today but the same thing.

5a
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So you are saying "Affirmative Action" event...?

C'mon I need a better cover story than that?
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
A guy over at ZH was saying this happened about 10 years ago not far away from today's disaster.

Apparently some knucklehead hooked up a high pressure feed line to the low pressure residential lines. The high pressure blew out all the pressure regulators at the homes and mayhem ensued.

Not as bad as today but the same thing.

5a
 Quoting: VegasRick


So you are saying "Affirmative Action" event...?

C'mon I need a better cover story than that?
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would divert the narrative for whats coming in hurricain

inclusivly in 2 or 3 days that area gonna be touched by the huricain
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
Active gas leak in a sewer in Lawrence.
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
A guy over at ZH was saying this happened about 10 years ago not far away from today's disaster.

Apparently some knucklehead hooked up a high pressure feed line to the low pressure residential lines. The high pressure blew out all the pressure regulators at the homes and mayhem ensued.

Not as bad as today but the same thing.

5a
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
So what they are saying now is that the entire system overpressurised forcing gas into homes. 100 plus incidences and 60 plus fires. My question is why do don’t any alarms go off why didn’t any of the fail safes work? There not saying how anything about how it happened except that the fbi and the ntsb are investigating. There are no hotel rooms available anywhere near here it’s crazy
 Quoting: seorsa6


That is impossible, red top valves and galvanized gas pipe in homes hold more pressure then the lines running in the ground under the street.

I guess the water heaters and things with open jets could have blow torched causing fire in homes.
 Quoting: MaxwellSmart007


Not all points. Example: furnaces. They turn off and on automatically. To do this they have to be easy to turn. These could have weaker areas that would leak.
 Quoting: confused_but_not_idiot


Every NG gas appliance has a control valve/regulator that is designed to work at around 7" to 9" of water column working pressure, or around 1/3rd PSI. If the piping system were introduced to 10 psi, it would blow the diaphragms/control valves of every gas appliance.

Once that happened, the 10 psi flow of gas would be blowing into the structure from every gas appliance, unabated.
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This didn't happen in the vacinity of Poncho's Taco Emporium did it?
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You just know they're already planning on making a movie about this. It's not everyday some idiot blows up 50 houses!
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
Just woken up here, haven't read the thread so don't know if this has been posted..


Possible cause?

Burke_Metro
Re: Lawrence Methuen Andover gas explosions. This was posted on the Columbia website today.

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If this is their idea of an upgrade remind me to stay in business class
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
Just woken up here, haven't read the thread so don't know if this has been posted..


Possible cause?

Burke_Metro
Re: Lawrence Methuen Andover gas explosions. This was posted on the Columbia website today.

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If this is their idea of an upgrade remind me to stay in business class
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
If it's an attack or an accident doesn't matter...IT HAPPENED!

That means any house/structure with a gas line can go BOOM at any time, without warning!

And that includes MY HOUSE!

It's not "supposed to" happen...but it did.

This is freakin' me out a little!
 Quoting: Mental Case


I don't know much about natural gas, but I do know about propane (and propane accessories). Can you install a pressure regulator on the gas line coming into the house?
I see a lot of them on propane fueled houses.
If so, I would do this right away.
 Quoting: GrizzlyBear


Propane is a different animal but a close cousin. Most propane homes use an integral or twin stage regulator with two built in diaphragms at the tank. If one fails the other catches it.

Some utilize a 2 regulator system. One at the tank and one at the point of entry into the structure. In this case, both have two diaphragms.

Different houses need different pressures with propane, depending on total BTU rating.

Good thing about a propane system is that it is independent. They are not susceptible to outside failures like NG can be.
 Quoting: TheGasMan II


Most 2 stage propane reg. systems are used when the tank is some distance from the house. It's for stability of pressure. The first is at the tank a high pressure regulator and another regulator next to the house to bring the high pressure gas down for use in the home.


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