20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!! | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 68841401 Ireland 09/13/2018 11:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Possible cause? Burke_Metro Re: Lawrence Methuen Andover gas explosions. This was posted on the Columbia website today. [link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19367385 United States 09/13/2018 11:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Every site is different, you couldn't just get your hands on some documents and figure everything out. Quoting: R. Wordsworth You would need an expert in PLC logic and an expert in a particular type of control system for a particular type of utility to really do something like this, that could be the same person if they worked in that particular sector. You would really need a state level actor to pull an attack off, unless it was an insider who worked on the systems. easy. just look for an employee with a pet goat. A pet goat that walks funny and has a hollow look in his eyes... :jay: |
beeches User ID: 74276477 United States 09/13/2018 11:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If it's an attack or an accident doesn't matter...IT HAPPENED! Quoting: Mental Case That means any house/structure with a gas line can go BOOM at any time, without warning! And that includes MY HOUSE! It's not "supposed to" happen...but it did. This is freakin' me out a little! this is one part of the reason it will not be all over the news. lots of people would feel the way you do we were just talking about gas lines here in our area last evening. some said NO, not now, not ever. Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
KTee User ID: 74458587 United States 09/13/2018 11:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If it's an attack or an accident doesn't matter...IT HAPPENED! Quoting: Mental Case That means any house/structure with a gas line can go BOOM at any time, without warning! And that includes MY HOUSE! It's not "supposed to" happen...but it did. This is freakin' me out a little! ^^This Now know exactly the reason why I will not use it. To think one minute all's ok and next minute you aren't. No warning? Scary!! Act, and you shall have dinner; wait, and you shall BE dinner. -Gowron, Klingon proverb, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19367385 United States 09/13/2018 11:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If it's an attack or an accident doesn't matter...IT HAPPENED! Quoting: Mental Case That means any house/structure with a gas line can go BOOM at any time, without warning! And that includes MY HOUSE! It's not "supposed to" happen...but it did. This is freakin' me out a little! Well consider this... 35,000 people are killed in the US each year in car accidents, while maybe a couple dozen are killed by gas explosions. Shit... I don't think I helped you feel any better, did I? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76809044 United States 09/13/2018 11:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lets just hope it stops here and no other communities are hit by this type of attack. We all need to be very prepared for the worst case scenario's in our communities and keep the panic down to minimum. Local Sheriffs and LEO's need to also get organized with trusted community members for plans of action ASAP! If you leave your community out it will destroy your plans and cause more problems and possibly overwhelm your community. American citizen's be a part of the solution not the problem. Prayer for all involved for safety and quick returns to their homes!! They are using the storm as a cover for a test. This was a blatant cyber attack from Russia China or Iran. I call that an act of war & I hope this is truthfully investigated and not forgotten. We are in a cyber war, who knows what we have done. I don't give a shit as long as we win! they're just testing how much bullshit they can shove down our throats. |
MissCleo User ID: 76541118 United States 09/13/2018 11:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just woken up here, haven't read the thread so don't know if this has been posted.. Quoting: Tess. Possible cause? Burke_Metro Re: Lawrence Methuen Andover gas explosions. This was posted on the Columbia website today. [link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)] good find. |
MissCleo User ID: 76541118 United States 09/13/2018 11:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If it's an attack or an accident doesn't matter...IT HAPPENED! Quoting: Mental Case That means any house/structure with a gas line can go BOOM at any time, without warning! And that includes MY HOUSE! It's not "supposed to" happen...but it did. This is freakin' me out a little! Well consider this... 35,000 people are killed in the US each year in car accidents, while maybe a couple dozen are killed by gas explosions. Shit... I don't think I helped you feel any better, did I? body counts aren't useful to determine Homeland Security. |
1330 User ID: 76228962 United States 09/13/2018 11:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Oak Tree User ID: 75083753 United States 09/13/2018 11:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If it's an attack or an accident doesn't matter...IT HAPPENED! Quoting: Mental Case That means any house/structure with a gas line can go BOOM at any time, without warning! And that includes MY HOUSE! It's not "supposed to" happen...but it did. This is freakin' me out a little! Well consider this... 35,000 people are killed in the US each year in car accidents, while maybe a couple dozen are killed by gas explosions. Shit... I don't think I helped you feel any better, did I? Have you local Gas company do a check on your system and have them explain how this won't happen to your home. Get information and understanding of your home systems. Screw the fear...fix the problem, not to be rude to you..I also have gas and will be ding a check up tomorrow. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 68841401 Ireland 09/13/2018 11:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Leonel Rondon, 18, has been identified as the 18-year-old man killed in Lawrence on Thursday Up to 70 fires are being reported in Lawrence, Andover and North Andover Officials said problems with the natural gas system caused multiple explosions Methuen Police Chief said there are so many fires 'you can't even see the sky' Police are urging residents to leave their homes if they smell gas and said residents with Columbia Gas service should evacuate immediately At least one home has been demolished, according to local media outlets State police said that the power company would be shutting off power to all of Lawrence, North Andover and Andover 'to assist in the gas situation' All the fires in Andover have been extinguished, where a total of 35 fires were reported [link to www.dailymail.co.uk (secure)] |
Mental Case User ID: 76934468 United Arab Emirates 09/13/2018 11:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well consider this... 35,000 people are killed in the US each year in car accidents, ------- Yeah, I hear ya. I wouldn't even be bothered if one accident took out one house with a gas explosion. But to think of high pressure just going down the line popping homes & buildings like popcorn... It's a tad bit disconcerting! If I am going to be damned...I am going to be damned for who I really am! |
TheGasMan II User ID: 71648857 United States 09/13/2018 11:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If it's an attack or an accident doesn't matter...IT HAPPENED! Quoting: Mental Case That means any house/structure with a gas line can go BOOM at any time, without warning! And that includes MY HOUSE! It's not "supposed to" happen...but it did. This is freakin' me out a little! No thanks, I'll stick with my propane system. I have installed my system and am fully confident in my work. Gas is only as safe as you make it. "Every new child born brings the message that God is not yet discouraged of man." - Tagore "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle. :TGMtank: |
GrizzlyBear User ID: 76873340 United States 09/13/2018 11:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If it's an attack or an accident doesn't matter...IT HAPPENED! Quoting: Mental Case That means any house/structure with a gas line can go BOOM at any time, without warning! And that includes MY HOUSE! It's not "supposed to" happen...but it did. This is freakin' me out a little! I don't know much about natural gas, but I do know about propane (and propane accessories). Can you install a pressure regulator on the gas line coming into the house? I see a lot of them on propane fueled houses. If so, I would do this right away. Rule#4 Double Tap. |
Arkansassy User ID: 76716753 United States 09/13/2018 11:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well consider this... 35,000 people are killed in the US each year in car accidents, Quoting: Mental Case ------- Yeah, I hear ya. I wouldn't even be bothered if one accident took out one house with a gas explosion. But to think of high pressure just going down the line popping homes & buildings like popcorn... It's a tad bit disconcerting! Yeah, if even half of those fatal accidents occurred at the same time on the same highway, it would be a lot more terrifying, wouldn’t it? The way we feel about things can’t be explained by cold logic. IDGAF |
Simple27 User ID: 76580724 United States 09/13/2018 11:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Lily o' the Valley User ID: 73019550 United States 09/13/2018 11:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 93 (north and south bound) exit 45 off ramp to River Road closed Shit show of traffic! Its total gridlock. Reported on the news and in local MA forums. Nothing is moving.... This is why you don't live in a city. Precisely. *** Good deeds bring rewards, bad actions bring troubles. That is a law of the universe. *** |
TheGasMan II User ID: 71648857 United States 09/13/2018 11:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what they are saying now is that the entire system overpressurised forcing gas into homes. 100 plus incidences and 60 plus fires. My question is why do don’t any alarms go off why didn’t any of the fail safes work? There not saying how anything about how it happened except that the fbi and the ntsb are investigating. There are no hotel rooms available anywhere near here it’s crazy Quoting: seorsa6 That is impossible, red top valves and galvanized gas pipe in homes hold more pressure then the lines running in the ground under the street. I guess the water heaters and things with open jets could have blow torched causing fire in homes. Not all points. Example: furnaces. They turn off and on automatically. To do this they have to be easy to turn. These could have weaker areas that would leak. Every NG gas appliance has a control valve/regulator that is designed to work at around 7" to 9" of water column working pressure, or around 1/3rd PSI. If the piping system were introduced to 10 psi, it would blow the diaphragms/control valves of every gas appliance. Once that happened, the 10 psi flow of gas would be blowing into the structure from every gas appliance, unabated. Last Edited by TheGasMan II on 09/13/2018 11:59 PM "Every new child born brings the message that God is not yet discouraged of man." - Tagore "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle. :TGMtank: |
VegasRick User ID: 76899951 United States 09/13/2018 11:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A guy over at ZH was saying this happened about 10 years ago not far away from today's disaster. Apparently some knucklehead hooked up a high pressure feed line to the low pressure residential lines. The high pressure blew out all the pressure regulators at the homes and mayhem ensued. Not as bad as today but the same thing. |
TheGasMan II User ID: 71648857 United States 09/13/2018 11:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If it's an attack or an accident doesn't matter...IT HAPPENED! Quoting: Mental Case That means any house/structure with a gas line can go BOOM at any time, without warning! And that includes MY HOUSE! It's not "supposed to" happen...but it did. This is freakin' me out a little! I don't know much about natural gas, but I do know about propane (and propane accessories). Can you install a pressure regulator on the gas line coming into the house? I see a lot of them on propane fueled houses. If so, I would do this right away. Propane is a different animal but a close cousin. Most propane homes use an integral or twin stage regulator with two built in diaphragms at the tank. If one fails the other catches it. Some utilize a 2 regulator system. One at the tank and one at the point of entry into the structure. In this case, both have two diaphragms. Different houses need different pressures with propane, depending on total BTU rating. Good thing about a propane system is that it is independent. They are not susceptible to outside failures like NG can be. Last Edited by TheGasMan II on 09/14/2018 12:03 AM "Every new child born brings the message that God is not yet discouraged of man." - Tagore "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle. :TGMtank: |
Blunt Force Trauma User ID: 6851461 Canada 09/13/2018 11:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A guy over at ZH was saying this happened about 10 years ago not far away from today's disaster. Quoting: VegasRick Apparently some knucklehead hooked up a high pressure feed line to the low pressure residential lines. The high pressure blew out all the pressure regulators at the homes and mayhem ensued. Not as bad as today but the same thing. So you are saying "Affirmative Action" event...? C'mon I need a better cover story than that? . Where Blather Vs Godzilla -RETURNS- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "I'm here to Chew Bubble-Gum, and Kick-Some-Ass...And I just ran-out of Bubble-Gum..." [Paraphrase] From: "They Live"... |
Cosmo888 User ID: 76631497 Portugal 09/14/2018 12:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A guy over at ZH was saying this happened about 10 years ago not far away from today's disaster. Quoting: VegasRick Apparently some knucklehead hooked up a high pressure feed line to the low pressure residential lines. The high pressure blew out all the pressure regulators at the homes and mayhem ensued. Not as bad as today but the same thing. So you are saying "Affirmative Action" event...? C'mon I need a better cover story than that? . would divert the narrative for whats coming in hurricain inclusivly in 2 or 3 days that area gonna be touched by the huricain Miguel |
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Phillip J. Fry User ID: 75522937 United States 09/14/2018 12:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A guy over at ZH was saying this happened about 10 years ago not far away from today's disaster. Quoting: VegasRick Apparently some knucklehead hooked up a high pressure feed line to the low pressure residential lines. The high pressure blew out all the pressure regulators at the homes and mayhem ensued. Not as bad as today but the same thing. H1b visa workers? Sanctuary workers? . "Don't do anything that affects anything. Unless it turns out you were supposed to do it, in which case for the love of God. Don't not do it!" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76914655 United States 09/14/2018 12:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what they are saying now is that the entire system overpressurised forcing gas into homes. 100 plus incidences and 60 plus fires. My question is why do don’t any alarms go off why didn’t any of the fail safes work? There not saying how anything about how it happened except that the fbi and the ntsb are investigating. There are no hotel rooms available anywhere near here it’s crazy Quoting: seorsa6 That is impossible, red top valves and galvanized gas pipe in homes hold more pressure then the lines running in the ground under the street. I guess the water heaters and things with open jets could have blow torched causing fire in homes. Not all points. Example: furnaces. They turn off and on automatically. To do this they have to be easy to turn. These could have weaker areas that would leak. Every NG gas appliance has a control valve/regulator that is designed to work at around 7" to 9" of water column working pressure, or around 1/3rd PSI. If the piping system were introduced to 10 psi, it would blow the diaphragms/control valves of every gas appliance. Once that happened, the 10 psi flow of gas would be blowing into the structure from every gas appliance, unabated. Thank you GAS MAN, this is the right thread for you. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76764840 United States 09/14/2018 12:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just woken up here, haven't read the thread so don't know if this has been posted.. Quoting: Tess. Possible cause? Burke_Metro Re: Lawrence Methuen Andover gas explosions. This was posted on the Columbia website today. [link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)] If this is their idea of an upgrade remind me to stay in business class |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76532357 United States 09/14/2018 01:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just woken up here, haven't read the thread so don't know if this has been posted.. Quoting: Tess. Possible cause? Burke_Metro Re: Lawrence Methuen Andover gas explosions. This was posted on the Columbia website today. [link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)] If this is their idea of an upgrade remind me to stay in business class Another exercise before an attack, they always do that. |
Terrebonne User ID: 76867093 United States 09/14/2018 01:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If it's an attack or an accident doesn't matter...IT HAPPENED! Quoting: Mental Case That means any house/structure with a gas line can go BOOM at any time, without warning! And that includes MY HOUSE! It's not "supposed to" happen...but it did. This is freakin' me out a little! I don't know much about natural gas, but I do know about propane (and propane accessories). Can you install a pressure regulator on the gas line coming into the house? I see a lot of them on propane fueled houses. If so, I would do this right away. Propane is a different animal but a close cousin. Most propane homes use an integral or twin stage regulator with two built in diaphragms at the tank. If one fails the other catches it. Some utilize a 2 regulator system. One at the tank and one at the point of entry into the structure. In this case, both have two diaphragms. Different houses need different pressures with propane, depending on total BTU rating. Good thing about a propane system is that it is independent. They are not susceptible to outside failures like NG can be. Most 2 stage propane reg. systems are used when the tank is some distance from the house. It's for stability of pressure. The first is at the tank a high pressure regulator and another regulator next to the house to bring the high pressure gas down for use in the home. . INFJ; We are the protectors. |