Abortion is not a right and it is not a form of birth control, sorry.

Making the victim pay is better? lol

That want to save babies.

The baby shouldn’t have to pay.

Why should the morning after pill be OK and not an abortion in the first weeks?

It's basically the same thing

it's not a child before at least 6-8 weeks, and that's being very generous with the definition

I have looked and looked and yet it still eludes me. Does anyone know where the abortion section of the constitution is? I found the part that talks about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the key word there being life.

Listen, I don't care what women do with their bodies. An abortion is not about just their body.

Here's how it works;

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it and they decided on an abortion. She has one.

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it, she wants an abortion and he does not. She has one.

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it, she wants to keep it and he does not. She keeps it, raises it and now he pays child support for the rest of his life (18 years).

Where is the choice for the man? If she goes to a clinic with the man, he has no say and no ability to voice his opinion. Whereas she will be asked if anyone is pressuring her or supporting her.

In cases of rape, incest and the mothers health (long and short term) the ability to receive an abortion should be allowed. In every other situation it comes down to personal responsibility. There are condoms, birth control pills, vasectomies for the older guys, tubes getting tied for the older women or the women who already have like 8 kids.

Abortion removes personal responsibility and it is not a form of birth control.

By banning abortion in most cases no woman has lost the ability to control her body. Simply she (and the man) have been told to act like adults and take responsibility for their actions. She still has control over her body. A few examples;

A man and woman want to have sex, he has no condom and she is not on the pill = no sex.

A man and woman want to have sex, he has a condom and she is not on the pill = they either have sex or she says no.

A man and woman want to have sex, she is on the pill and he has no condom = they either have sex or she says no.

Am I missing the part where the guy gets to decide whether sex occurs or not. Men have no power to decide if sex occurs. That's called rape and it's a crime.

sex is a pro-creative act that has pleasuring benefits. It is not a recreational sport nor is it a weapon. It certainly is not there for men and women to do what they will with no regard for consequences.

I would argue that everyone is pro choice. We ALL have the choice to have unprotected sex. However, we are not all pro consequence or pro personal responsibility. Some argue that you should be allowed to do what you want and if unintended consequences happen then you should simply be allowed to pretend they didn't. Others argue that you should be held accountable for your actions. It's that simple.

It is a child at conception.

You can't guarantee this.

It's not a baby before at least 8 weeks.

Also lol they care more about unborn babies than living people.

Neither should the victim.

Where is the choice for the baby?

Nope it's not.

It's 2 cells fused together, a sperm and an ovum.

If a lump of cells must be protected and kept alive then circumcision should be forbidden too. There's more living cells in a foreskin than in a weeks-old fetus

Blah blah blah

The moral police are all always high and mighty until they need one.

I have looked and looked and yet it still eludes me. Does anyone know where the abortion section of the constitution is? I found the part that talks about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the key word there being life.

Listen, I don't care what women do with their bodies. An abortion is not about just their body.

Here's how it works;

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it and they decided on an abortion. She has one.

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it, she wants an abortion and he does not. She has one.

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it, she wants to keep it and he does not. She keeps it, raises it and now he pays child support for the rest of his life (18 years).

Where is the choice for the man? If she goes to a clinic with the man, he has no say and no ability to voice his opinion. Whereas she will be asked if anyone is pressuring her or supporting her.

In cases of rape, incest and the mothers health (long and short term) the ability to receive an abortion should be allowed. In every other situation it comes down to personal responsibility. There are condoms, birth control pills, vasectomies for the older guys, tubes getting tied for the older women or the women who already have like 8 kids.

Abortion removes personal responsibility and it is not a form of birth control.

By banning abortion in most cases no woman has lost the ability to control her body. Simply she (and the man) have been told to act like adults and take responsibility for their actions. She still has control over her body. A few examples;

A man and woman want to have sex, he has no condom and she is not on the pill = no sex.

A man and woman want to have sex, he has a condom and she is not on the pill = they either have sex or she says no.

A man and woman want to have sex, she is on the pill and he has no condom = they either have sex or she says no.

Am I missing the part where the guy gets to decide whether sex occurs or not. Men have no power to decide if sex occurs. That's called rape and it's a crime.

sex is a pro-creative act that has pleasuring benefits. It is not a recreational sport nor is it a weapon. It certainly is not there for men and women to do what they will with no regard for consequences.

I would argue that everyone is pro choice. We ALL have the choice to have unprotected sex. However, we are not all pro consequence or pro personal responsibility. Some argue that you should be allowed to do what you want and if unintended consequences happen then you should simply be allowed to pretend they didn't. Others argue that you should be held accountable for your actions. It's that simple.

There is no choice, its a fucking murder plane and simple. Its just that those who benefit or want to do that don't want to be looked down upon, much like homosexuality. The sin they all embrace will be their certain death in the end, no matter what anyone thinks or feels.

But you can walk in and pay your four hundred dollars and kill your baby in the name of what ever ya like, but when you leave, remember they are parting out your child to the highest bidder for thousands, and robbing your child of life for their adrenochrome and thirst to serve!! Which implicates you in their worship of Moloch!

Taking a piece of skin off is not like snuffing out a life. And it is a life at conception.

99 years in prison!!! In Europe one gets 15 or 20 years for a murder.
If not stopped, this law risks to put USA on same level as Stalin's regime or worse.

I am against abortions! I walkedon marches for life!!!

But at the same time, i am very much against the modern day inquisition lead by fanatic religious, for presumed crimes of moral character. You think they will stop atabortiobs? Next they will hit the gays!

Skin is alive doofus. It can even be grown in a culture.

You have to be consistant. If you consider a bunch of cells as "life" or "a child" then it's the case for any bunch of cells.

The only way you could claim a 1-day old fetus is a child is through dogma. Not a single fact can back this up.

There is no choice, its a fucking murder plane and simple. Its just that those who benefit or want to do that don't want to be looked down upon, much like homosexuality. The sin they all embrace will be their certain death in the end, no matter what anyone thinks or feels.

But you can walk in and pay your four hundred dollars and kill your baby in the name of what ever ya like, but when you leave, remember they are parting out your child to the highest bidder for thousands, and robbing your child of life for their adrenochrome and thirst to serve!! Which implicates you in their worship of Moloch!

what bothers me most is in the case of rape.
imagine, being attacked and sexually assaulted, and then having the offspring of that attacker inside of you.

abortion should never be used as a form of birth control, but, forcing a raped woman to keep a baby is even more horrible.

just my 2 cents

Those cells are making a full human right at conception. That is a fact. The process should not be stopped.