Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav

Macedonia:Greek From Since the days of King Karanus

The ancient-Macedonians are Greek ancestors on an equilibrium with Spartans and Athenians. Hellenic-peoples, groups tribes and Kingdoms were many in ancient times, more than 230 of them that we know about. For a South-Slav to want to contest these findings takes nerve - gall - front - bottle. It takes a brave Slav to stand-up in front of a world audiance to proclaim himself Macedonian. It takes a braver Slav to proclaim Alexander the Great his ancestor. It takes nerve, gall and alot of front to pluck-up the courage to do these things in front of a world audiance. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs do these things under the influence of Makedonism, a Slavist based doctrine which teaches young Slavic-children to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs.

The ancient-Hellenic peoples...>230 known - groups tribes and Kingdoms measured their Greekness on the basis of descent - blood - speech. Peoples of the same speech and of the same genus, sharing common descent, collective historical-memory and subscribing to common beliefs - ways - traditions.

Makedonism - This Slavist-based Ideology Indoctrinates young Slavic children to contest the ancient-Macedonians Greek-Hellenic Identity. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are 3 generations into Makedonism, they are now fully immersed into the belief they are real Macedonians and Greeks are brainwashed to say they are Macedonians in order to cheat them from their true history and heritage in the Greek (Haemus) peninsula, which they equate to Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

Greeks have done well thus far to defend-protect their National-history - heritage and cultural-inheritence from FYRoM's perverse and corrupt distortions of ancient-Greek history...they took something good like the classics and Rubbished them, converted them into something Vulgar!

Greeks live next to primitive brainwashed South-Slavs Indoctrinated on Makedonism. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have been bred for purpose to hate all things Greek. They hate the Greek peoples with a passion and they hate Hellenism. They hate the West for creating Greeks in the first place...they blame the West for creating Greece and populating it with African-Ethiopians, Turks, Albanians, Vlachs and Gipsys, this is how they see the modern Greek population.

Greeks have done well thus far to keep it to themselves. Greeks bottled their anger...but this small and insignificant, recently established Slavic statelet has taken us to the brink. Greeks cannot listen to their silliness anymore.

It should be made Crystal Clear to the Slavs of FYRoM: Macedonians are Greek and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia, the ancient-Kingdom. They cannot possibly use this name to describe themselves ethnically and racially - culturally or linguistically. Everybody knows FYRoM needs a name but they cant have the Macedonian-name for the most obvious of reasons...Macedonians already exist, they are Greeks from since the days of King Karanus.

Three questions, if answerable, end the name dispute between FYRoM and Greece in an instant, at a stroke.

Question 1: FYRoM's natural Slavic-name...What is it ?
Question 2: Which Slavic tribe is FYRoM's progenitor ?
Question 3: Why Macedonia, for their ethnic-racial name ?

Everybody knows FYRoM needs a name to Identify with, but they can't have the Macedonian-name for the most obvious of reasons...Macedonians already exist, they are Greeks from since the days of King Karanus

Purely on ethical moral grounds…It is wrong to covet your neighbours name. FYRoM’s adoption of an ancient-archaic, Greek-Hellenic, regional-tribal name for country-name, nationality, language and ethnicity is an abuse of the self-determination right enshrined in the UN charter of human rights.

The Macedonian-name belongs in the Greek domain whilst Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage. This statement is true, even in the absence of Greeks from the modern human population pool.

Very insulting, having to protect ones national-history - heritage - cultural-inheritence from the Slavs of FYRoM who have become learned, specializing in the arts of deception. By denying the Greek-Hellenic Identity of the ancient-Macedonians, they are in-fact, commiting the demographic eradication of a continuous, proven, verifiable Greek presence in Macedonia from since the days of King Karanus. Macedonians are Greek…Greeks have always lived on Macedonian soil, who got the front, the gall, or the bottle to Rubbish This!

Only Slavdom can save them now…the West has largely given-up on them, keeping them at arms length, at a distance, until the Slavonic peoples of FYRoM learn the truth about Macedonians and their ethnic-racial distance from them.

Hellenes: Under this name, the Greeks developed a language and a culture so unique - it became the dominant culture of the Haemus peninsula...the primordial homeland of the Greek-Hellenic peoples. Other cultures in close proximity to Greeks, succumbed to Hellenism through choice and free-will and not through subjugation. Hellenism became synonymous with enlightenment. Hellenes: Under this name did the Greeks reach the azimuth of their being.

Southern-Greeks developed - refined a language and a culture so dominant and resiliant...peoples in close proximity to them were enchanted to associate with Hellenism. Southern-Greeks refined a way of life which diffused around them, a structure and sophistication that dispersed across the Hellenic-world, from Crete in the South, to Macedonia in the North - and from Iberia in the West, to Cyprus in the East.

It took the Southern-Greeks, to develop - refine - diffuse and disperse a culture and a way of life across the ancient-Hellenic world...but it took the Northern-Greeks to spread - export that language, that knowledge and that culture to the far reaches of the then known ancient-world.
Macedonians: The least developed and the least refined Greeks...Northerners, Northern mountain-Greeks, hillbillies to the more refined - sophisticated Southern-Greeks. It was the Macedonians that spread Hellenism Eastwards, as far as the Hindu-Kush and Northwards, as far as what is now Tajikistan.

Wherever the ancient-Macedonians went...they left their mark. In every city they visited - built or renamed, they left us calling-cards, carved deep into the foundations, the bedrock and cornerstones there, as if they knew, that one day, far-off into the distant future, some southern Slavic-peoples from FYRoM would attempt to adopt their name in order to usurp their legacy.

Hellenes: Macedonians are one of these! Whatever the Macedonians did, they did for Hellenism...not for Slavdom! Even though Southern-Greeks considered themselves more refined and more sophisticated than their Northern-Greek compatriots...calling them names, like "barbarians" or "hillbillies," this was normal banter between Greeks, no-way would they have called them "Slavs" or "Slavic," on the basis, the Slavic tribes where nowhere to be seen in the Greek (Haemus) peninsula during antiquity. The Slavic tribes were recorded as having entered the Greco-Roman Empire (Byzantium) during the top-end of the 6th Century AD, almost a Millennium after the death of Alexander the Great.

Hellenes: Macedonians are one of these...just one the 230 ancient-Greek, groups - tribes and Kingdoms that we know about, through the teachings of accredited - reputable historian-scholars and academics alike who staked their whole professional carears on the dissemination of Graeco-Roman and classicist history.

Hellenes: Macedonians are one of these!
Macedonians: FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not one of these! They are Southern-Slavs from Serbian - Bulgarian stock.

It began: 770 - 740 BC. It was one of the earliest and most illustrious of European-Kingdoms...the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon.

Karanus, the son of Temenus, who was the King of Argos, takes his followers north to aid the King of Orestae who is at war with the Eordaei. The Orestae occupy a location in north-central Greece, north-west of Mount-Olympus. The King of Orestae promises Karanus half of his territory if successful in their joint-effort to defeat the Eordaei.

Karanus is successful, and the King keeps his promise. Karanus, as agreed, takes possession of half the territory, founding the beginnings of one of Europes earliest and most illustrious Kingdoms, the Kingdom of Macedon. Karanus rules for thirty years before dying of old age. He is succeeded by his son Koinos who reigns for just twelve years and is succeeded by his son Tyrimmas, who reigns for twenty-eight years.

Perdiccas establishes a capital at Aegae, east of both the former Orestae and the Eordaei, close to the northern-most point of the Aegean-Sea. The region then, was in a fertile plain in Lower-Macedon which was irrigated by the rivers Axius and Haliacmon. It wasn't until under the rule of Alexander I, did the Kingdom of Macedon expand rapidly that by the 4th Century BC, it occupied an area both in size and in shape mirroring that of the modern-Greek province of Macedonia.

The Greatest Kings of Macedonia: (i) Phillip II and (ii) his son Alexander III known as Alexander the Great.

At 395 AD, the area we know as Greece becomes the central focal-segment of the Eastern-Roman Empire. It remains that way until the Byzantine Empire's fall and final conquest in 1453, by the forces of the eastern-asiatic, oriental Ottoman Empire. It took the Greeks until 1821 to finally rid themselves of the Turk, and until 1912 - 1913 to regain Macedonia back, by conquest, fighting both Turkics and Slavics to place Macedonia back into Greek hands.

Greeks lost Macedonia through conquest at various intervals during the past...but Greeks have always regained Macedonia back, by conquest. Macedonia is now back in Greek hands once more where it shall stay, for ever and a day!

nick do you know where the ancestors of your ancestors originally came from?

If you say Proto-Slavs...I gonna Scream!

:)) just found this and it surely makes a lot of sense and well proven. the original european culture was black!

[link to realhistoryww.com]

Nick,ask your cousin,Jimmy, who he likes in this afternoon's SEC Championship,Alabama or Georgia.

From since the forming of the "Peoples Republic," FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have been in transition to developing a unique ethnicity of their own, centered around a geographic-term which is used in the Greek (Haemus) peninsula by more than one country. Macedonian-Slavs, as they are known, are an ethnic-group which inhabit the geographical-region of Macedonia in south-eastern Europe. Sufficiently seperated from the main Serbo-Bulgarian core, the Slavs of FYRoM have now developed ethnic-Macedonian feelings and Macedonian national-pride.

They speak a Satem-Slavonic language which they call Macedonian-language and associate with Orthodox-Christendom, which they express through the so called Macedonian Orthodox Church. FYRoM's neighbours see them as South-Slavic peoples, descendants of those Slavic-tribes and Bulgar-tribes that settled the Greek (Haemus) peninsula at the top-end of the 6th Century AD. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs call themselves ethnic-Macedonians, on the basis, they do not like the Macedonian-Slav label.

The greater geographical-region of Macedonia straddles over more than one country. It is divided between Bulgaria 9%, Greece 51%, FYRoM 39% and Albania 1%. The region is inhabited by a variety of peoples which includes Albanians, Bulgarians, Greeks, Macedonian-Slavs, Turks, Vlachs, Serbs and Roma-Gypsies.

Whether FYRoM's Macedonian-Slavs constitute a unique and distinct ethnic-group is controversial. Bulgaria and Greece see them as a subset, Bulgarian in the main, but with Serbian influences. Their origins are equally controversial.
They have Slavic-heritage for sure, but the peoples there insist they derive from local, autochthonous elements that cross-fertilized with the incoming proto-Bulgar tribes and Slavic-tribes during the migration period. Most historians date the arrival of FYRoM's Macedonian-Slavs to the 6th centuries AD.

FYRoM's Macedonian-Slavs had no political-representation or national-Identity of their own until the 20th Century AD. The peoples there were always ruled-over, governed by various empires, initially the Byzantine-Empire, then the Bulgarian, then the Serbian, and then, the Ottoman Empire. Medieval sources traditionally describe them as Bulgarians, a definition which survived well into the period of Ottoman-rule, attested to in Ottoman-Turk archives, which was the last ruling entity to govern the region. Ethnographers, historians and travellers described them as Bulgarians also, for example: Evliya Celebi in his Book of Travels. 19th Century ethnographers also Identified them as Bulgarians in official Census-reports and population-statistics santioned by the league of Nations.

The key events which culminated in the formation of a unique and distinctive Macedonian-Identity amongst FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs occured during the first half of the 20th Century, in the aftermath of the Balkan Wars 1912-1913. The territory we know today as FYRoM, came under the direct rule of Serbia...later the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. The place was termed "South-Serbia" or "Vardar-Banovina." A programme of "Serbianization" was implemented during the 1920s - 1930s, during which the locals there were forcibly assimilated into the Serbian-culture, only the Serbian- language was permitted and taught in schools and FYRoM's Bulgarian sounding names had them altered, modified into the Serbian form: (i) Stankov became Stankovic, (ii) Atanasov became Atanackovic, (iii) Bogdan became Bogdanovic.

After WWII, Josip Broz Tito, the Communist dictator of Yugoslavia decided to abandon the policy of Serbianization, it had failed and led to strong resentment of Belgrade. He separated Vardar-Banovina from Serbia proper, converting a province into a fully fledged Republic which he Christened the Socialist Republic of Macedonia in 1946 making it the 6th Socialist Republic of a now Federal-Yugoslavian state. Tito also promoted the concept of a separate Macedonian- Nation, in order to sever binding ties to Bulgaria. 1946 onwards...FYRoM's Macedonian-Slavs start to develop ethnic-feelings - national-pride and collective historical-memories centered around the Macedonian-name. In Slavist Scools, they were taught to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs.

When this much is known about about a peoples and their country...can Slavdom really afford to continue in keeping FYRoM wallowing in it's own nostagia. With Slavic history being distorted, blended-in to make it native to the Greek (Haemus) peninsula, Greeks are being erased - eradicated in order to accomodate Slavist-based pseudo-history, scripting FYRoM an ethno-genesis story so crude and so crass it de-Hellenizes Macedonians in order to make them Slavic.

Dammit, he was Mongolian!

[link to www.flickr.com] A picture can paint a thousand words...so picture this: Where Macedonia is situated in this ancient-map of Hellas. It is important for you to retain a mental image of the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon in order to be able to distinguish it from FYRoM, when you have read the complete article.

[link to euroheritage.net] FYRoM wanting to name itself Macedonia is neither justified nor even factually-correct. The earliest recorded name of the place is actually Paeonia in it's southern parts and Dardania in it's northern parts.

The next alteration to the name occured during latin-Roman rule, when the Romans incorporated Paeonia and Dardania into a new administrative district they renamed Macedonia II Salutaris. The original authentic ancient-Kingdom of Macedon they kept Greek and distinct by naming it Macedonia-Prima, meaning first and foremost Macedonia.
The next alteration to the name occured during Greco-Roman rule, under the Byzantine (Eastern-Roman) Empire. Here, the Greek-speaking Empire shifts the Macedonin-name to Thrace and renames the place where FYRoM is situated, to Bulgaria. [link to en.wikipedia.org] To understand the politics behind these decisions, where geographic place-names change, one needs to have an admiring appreciation of the Byzantines geo-political strategic mind-set. Their capacity to play politics with place-names and geography were evidently light-years ahead of their time. As one can see in the Map of Themes of Byzantium...FYRoM becomes Bulgaria in name, and Macedonia gets shifted to Thrace, to where Bulgaria is situated right now.

The next alteration came under the Serbian Empire when the place where FYRoM is situated alters it's shape size. [link to en.wikipedia.org] here we get Velbazhd Despotate in the Eastern-part and Prilep Lordship for the Western-part.

The next alteration comes under Ottoman-Turk rule, when the the place becomes Kosovo Vilayet in the North and Monastir Vilayet in the South [link to en.wikipedia.org]

The next alteration comes when the Greeks regain Macedonia through conquest, 1912 - 1913 Balkan Wars, regaining Macedonia, placing it back into Greek-hands.

[link to www.lonelyplanet.com] Contemporary-Greece

[link to www.flickr.com] Ancient-Greece

Macedonia included...right!

At some stage, our Slavic brothers in Skopje shall have to acknowledge that the ancient-Macedonians were a Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples...and when they have done that, they will have no choice but to recognize todays-Greeks as the sole and legal modern representatives of their legacy. The longer our Slavic brothers delay, the longer they shall stay shunted-up a siding, kept at arms length, at a distance from the rest of the European family.

The point at which our Western-Partners and European-Cousins suddenly realized, that FYRoM was not a serious partner for peace - integration and cooperation, was when they erected gigantic-statues of ancient-Greek hero's in central Skopje. This action meant more to FYRoM than settlement of the name dispute with Greece. The West went out on a limb for FYRoM...some went as far as to sidelined Greece in order to show support for FYRoM's right to self-determine in the way they saw fit.

FYRoM not only sees fit, they see it as being wholly right and proper to use an ancient and archaic, Greek-Hellenic, regional-tribal name for their self-Identity and for their self-determination right. The South-Slavs there want to describe themselves as Macedonians in the ethnic-racial sense and in the cultural-linguistic sense, at the expense and exclusion of the Greeks.

The Slavs of FYRoM dismiss the long-held view, the established view, that the ancient-Macedonians were a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples. As far as they are concerned, the ancient-Macedonians were just Macedonians, a distinct-peoples, seperate from Greeks. They proclaim themselves Macedonians - descendents of the ancient-ones...that is why they have erected gigantic statues of Alexander the Great and his father King Phillip of Macedon at the center of Skopje, a place neither of them visited or set-foot.

The Greeks stare at their Western-Partners and European-Cousins...face to face - eyeball to eyeball in distgust of their treatment of Greek concerns when it came to the recognition of FYRoM as Macedonia. The Greeks told them from day-one, FYRoM is not a serious partner for peace - intergration and cooperation in Europe. The only thing FYRoM is interested-in is how to make Greece look bad, how to belittle Hellenism, and how to ridicule and humiliate modern-Greeks.

FYRoM's historians took something good like the classics and Rubbished them...converted them into something Vulgar!
For 21 years now, Greece has had to endure the Silliness of FYRoM...a newly established Slavic statelet at the center of the Balkans. From since they first stepped foot onto the world-stage in November 1991, they have been telling us how Alexander the Great was not a Greek-King but a Czar, the first Czar of the Slavs, that is why they honour his statue in Skopje, a place he never visited.

For Greeks it is obvious...FYRoM exists just to Rubbish Hellenism. A country created by Slavists with expansionist Ideas. It was on their will, that a Macedonian-language appeared in the autumn of 1944. On their will, did a Peoples Republic of Macedonia appear in 1945. On their will did the Socialist Republic of Macedonia appear in 1946. A country and a peoples primed for purpose: to take Macedonia away from the Greeks, by hook or by crook.

Our Western-Partners and European-Cousions bow their heads in shame now, at the way they allowed themselves to be duped by FYRoM's sponsors - backers - supporters. As far as they are concerned...FYRoM stays shoved-up a siding until it resolves the long running name dispute with Greece.

I have been working on my family tree, and my grandmother used to always say we were related to Alaxender the Great, turns out we are and I have been able to trace my lineage all the way back to Julius Ceasar in the same line. It's been very interesting, to say the least. I'm not into reading all of these 187 pages, but I do have birthplaces and dates so if you're interested I can look it up, maybe it will help in the debate:-)

[link to www.historyofmacedonia.org] The best examples of FYRoM's Slavist-revisionist nonsense are there in that link.
Donski - Stefov - Gandeto - Belchevsky - Tentov - Ilyov and many more are there...FYRoM's best are all represented. Are they not ashamed of that link which blatantly falsifies ancient historical events the Slavic-peoples played no part in. It is just a shameful attempt by the Slavs of Fyrom to convert themselves into something they cannot possibly be, and that is Macedonians. Learned peoples know Macedonians to be Greeks, in speech and genus.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs confuse the Macedonian-name with Slavdom and Macedonian-Identity with the Slavic-race, when in actual fact, the Macedonian-name was born from Hellenism.
This confusion is restricted only to them. Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples created the name and never stopped using it for self-Identity. It is only right and proper that the name should stay inside the Greek realm, it belongs in the Greek domain whilst Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek-heritage.

[link to www.historyofmacedonia.org] FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs nurture Macedonian-Identity 24/7 - 365 days a year and are not ashamed to admit it! Shameless, right!

[link to www.historyofmacedonia.org] FYRoM not only covets the name - Macedonia, for self-Identity and for self-determination purposes...it also covets Greek-Macedonian territory according to the link above! Shameless, right!

FYRoM's Slavist-orientated revisionists littered the Internet with pseudo-historical nonsense...evidenced in the links above. Most of it has been torn down - removed, on the basis it was crude and very crass, and because of the embarrassment it has caused Slavdom. These links remain however, they serve as reminders and Icons, evidence of their endeavours to Rubbish Hellenism and humiliate Greeks.

[link to historyofmacedonia.org] The overwhelming evidence of FYRoM's psudo-historical nonsense is all here, in this link: damning-evidence of their attempts to make themselves Macedonians when the world knows them as South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock.

The Kingdom of ancient-Macedon is in Northern-Greece. The Greeks there self-Identify as Macedonians on regional-basis and Hellenes on National-basis. Now, imagine the confusion in this absurd scenario: A Northern-Greek meets a FYRoM ex-Yugoslav and decides to follow tradional custom and protocol. After formal introduction, greetings and firm hand-shake, the Greek asks "from whence do you hail," the FYRoM ex-Yugoslav replies predictably, "Macedonian from Macedonia," the Greeks rightly asks, "how come," and the reply comes back...because this is the name I use for self-Identify and for self-determination purposes.

The name dispute between FYRoM and Greece is complex and not just about a name. It has to tackle the complexities of having two ethnically - racially different people-groups wanting to use the Macedonian-name for self-Identity...the Greeks on regional-basis, whilst the Slavs of FYRoM intend on using it on ethnic-racial basis and on liguistic basis.

At this juncture, Western freedoms and human-rights favour the FYRoM position on the basis...new-country's - newly-emergent and recently established countries have absolute sovereignty in chosing freely a name of their choice without outside foreign interference. FYRoM opted to use the Macedonian-name for their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity when historian-scholars and academics alike know the Macedonian-name to belong in the Greek realm, in the Greek domain, whilst Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage.

After 21 years - the name dispute has remained unresolved with FYRoM insisting that the Slavs there are Macedonians, with links and connections to Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. The Greeks squirm at their antics but hold back their anger knowing they hold the academic and moral high-ground. In FYRoM, the world has witnessed a country and a peoples so manipulated they know not, who they are and from whence they hail from, unlike the Greeks, who's ways customs traditions and protocols have been studied for generations, learned peoples know that a Hellene to another Hellene self-determines after his primordial group collective tribal-Identity...exalts his ancestral place of origin. A Macedonian to a Corinthian is a Macedonian but to a NoN-Greek he is a Hellene.

A Hellenic custom from since ancient-times: The tradition amongst Greeks has always been to ask, "from whence do you hail" - after a formal greeting. A Hellene to another Hellene would respond by forwarding his region and tribal place of origin, for example: a Northern-Greek would respond "from Macedonia" whilst a Southern-Greek would respond from "Sparta," both responses though, would expect a reciprocal reply, this custom continues even today amongst the modern-Greeks. From the Southernmost Greeks to the Northernmost Greeks, and from the Westernmost Greeks to the Easternmost Greeks. From Crete to Macedonia and from the Ionian Islands to the Island of Cyprus, Greeks greet each other in traditional custom, something they have been doing from since Milleniums.

Slavic children of the future shall one day look back at this in shame of their forebears...todays FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs. They shall hang their heads in shame of their forebears attempts to convert their ethnic and racial status from Slavic to Hellenic. In the future, all history books in the Slavic countries shall refer to Macedonians as Greek speaking Hellenic peoples.

Imagine the feeling of being ashamed of your ancestors!

It's very difficult to imagine FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs being Macedonians. It's even harder to imagine them being related to the Macedonians of old. The ancient-Macedonians were a Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples whereas the peoples of FYRoM are Slavonic...but some of them deny it. See here:
[link to www.historyofmacedonia.org] item 7 clearly states that they consider the Slav term, a racial slur.

Ask ten people in FYRoM to describe themselves and their origins and you get ten different versions of their ethno-genesis story. Some of them are proud of their Slavic-heritage: [link to www.makedonija.info] They trace their ethnicity to the Slavs and their faith to the Byzantine Empire that brought them into the Eastern Orthodox Church...whilst here, in this link:
[link to www.historyofmacedonia.org] they deny their Slavic-Identity by telling us, they consider the Slav term to be a racial slur.

Some of them proudly proclaim themselves Slavs whilst others deny their Slavic heritage...the confusion over Identity is confounded by a fringe-sect in their number who see themselves as direct descendents of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. See here:
[link to www.antickimakedonci.com.mk]
The Association of Ancient Macedonians Bogdanci

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs dont know whether they are coming or going...some of them say they are Slavs, some of them deny it, and some of them throw a wobbler by claiming direct descent from Alexander the Great.

Greek live next to wierdo's...right!

Rule of Thumb: Macedonians are the Greeks that still live in the historic-region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece. Greeks boast the closest possible connections to the ancient-Macedonians on the basis of fraternal-ties, geographic-ties, cultural-linguistic ties and historic-ties.
Other-peoples claiming them for their ancestors is a travesty of the long held view established in the mainstream historical narrative and an insult to the Greek-Hellenic peoples. FYRoM's claim to their legacy is nothing short of opportunism...the opportunity presented itself and the Slavs there, took it. They want to legitimize the use of the Macedonian-name for their new Slavic-country, nationality, language and ethnicity on the basis, they have rights which are enshrined in the UN charter to self-Identify and self determine after a name of their choice.

Calling themselves and their country after a Greek-Hellenic name is both problematic and confusing, not least to the children of that country. Self-Identifying as Macedonians and self-determining as a Nation of Macedonians is wrong on the basis...a Nation of Macedonians peopled by NoN-Greeks, has never existed in history verity. FYRoM's Sickness is symptomatic of delusion...the Slavonic-peoples there display collective memory loss. They profess to have no memory of Slavic heritage, but can remember being related to the Macedonians of old.

Rule of Thumb: If it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck...it's a duck alright! Ducks are ducks, they all quack to the same hymn. I like this analogy because one can use it as a rule of thumb.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs walk like Slavs and talk like Slavs, so that makes them Slavic.

Contemporary Macedonians are both Slavic speaking and Greek speaking, one needs to draw a line is drawn under this statement of fact.

Ancient-Macedonians though, were Greek speakers, intergral and intrinsic to the Hellenic-tribes from anitquity who went on to form the the Greek-Hellenic Collective of peoples we have all learned so much about through the mainstream historical record. Their modern representative are todays Greeks...only Greeks can boast the closest possible connections to them.

They refer to their own language as Macedonian-language, but
as we can see [link to www.krysstal.com] the Cyrillic alphabet was devised in the middle-ages by two
Greek Byzantine monks Cyril - Methodius. Cyrillic, along with Glagolitic was the first script that was used for the original Old-Church Slavonic-language. Glagolitic expired, only Cyrillic survives today, so it is historically inaccurate to refer to FYRoM's Slavonic-language as Macedonian, on the basis...the ancient-Macedonian language that was spoken by Alexander the Great and the Macedonians from antiquity was Hellenic and Centum, not Slavonic and Satem. Slavonic languages belong to the Satem group of Indo-European languages. FYRoM's language is most similar to Bulgarian, like Afrikaans is most similar to Dutch-language.
If we applied the Afrikaans example to FYRoM's language, it would make it simply Slav-language.

It is historically incorrect to name a Slavonic language Macedonian...by a factor of almost a Millennium. The Greeks see it as offensive and a major insult, that a Slavonic-peoples had the gall, the front and the nerve to name their Satem-Slavic Serbo-Bulgarian language to Macedonian-language in order to claim cultural and linguistic affiliations to Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

From the top-end of the 6th Century AD till the middle of the 7th Century AD, the Slavic tribes – Brsiaks, Strumians, Dragovits, Smolians, Rinhins and Velegezits settled the territories of the Eastern-Roman Empire...curiously, none of them self-Identified or self-determined as Macedonians, which begs the question: When exactly, did the Slavs first start to use the Macedonian-name for self-Identity and for self-determination purposes.

The name terms “Macedonia” and “Macedonians” have been in use in the Greek-Hellenic world for millenniums, the Slavs however, had to learn to use these terms for geographic place-name and for regional-Identity, traceable from since 1870, when the Russian Czar pressured the Ottoman-Turks to permit the re-establishment (1878) of the Exarchist Bulgarian Church.

At this juncture, from since the last decades of 19th Century AD, up to the lead-up of the Balkan Wars, we hear the Slavonic-peoples use the Macedonia(n) term soley to denote regional-Identity. It was not until 2nd August 1944 at the first-session of ASNOM, that constitutive decisions were made to establish a Macedonian-language, followed by a Macedonian state as a federal unit within the framework of a Yugoslav federation.

From since the creation of the Peoples Republic of Macedonia, housed inside the confines of a federal Yugoslavia, which become a Socialist Republic in 1946, did the Slavs of the region start to develop instilled ethnic-feelings, collective-memories and National-pride centered around the Macedonian name term.

As we have seen...the Slavs of FYRoM never used the Macedonian-name for self-Identity before the establishment of the Bulgarian Exarchate. They started to use it in the regional-geographic context during the lead-up to the Balkan Wars and only during the Communist years 1945 -1946 did they decide to convert an ancient and archaic, Greek-Hellenic, regional-tribal name into an ethnic-racial name applicable to Slavs.

Greeks cannot permit a NoN-Greek peoples to adopt for usurpation...one of our regional-tribal names, we are to proud a peoples to relinquish the Macedonian-name just to appease political expediancy. Those politicians who shat on Greece from a great height ultimately paid the price for their poor judgement. It took historian scholars of the classics to show them the grave error they were commiting to historical verity.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not the Macedonians they think they are or want to be...at some stage, they must learn to respect who they really are, and from whence they really come from.

no bodies + just text and or "ruins" = no proof he/they really existed.the lies are way bigger than you think when you question where are all the general population burial sites and all their personal artifacts that are also missing from all the so called "flourishing" past civilizations...smells of a large setup, just as Hollywood does with sets,props,and scripts and then the story becomes alive to the consumer..the key word is -FLOURISHING- civilizations that so called vanished...yeah right they disappeared,they never existed in the flesh to begin with..histories were written from the sets and props,proved by the Lack of enough physical evidence to prove flourishing...only the rulers and rich were preserved><bullshit story to make you forget the general populations whereabouts.their hundreds of millions of daily personal artifacts from the millions whom would supposed to have lived and died during their so called time frames..

Bucephalus

"There is nothing impossible to him who will try"

Fucking A-lex



If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.


Joseph Goebbels

Interesting to note isn't it...that before 1944 there was No Macedonian-language, and before 1945 there was No country called Macedonia. Both country and language merely contemporary-constructs developed during the latter years of WWII in communist-ruled Yugoslavia. The ruling Slavist elite there felt it necessary to bring two things into the fore which never-ever existed before in historical verity.

We know Macedonia existed ofcourse, as an ancient-Greek Kingdom, not as a seperate country to Hellas or even as a standalone self-contained entity. The Kingdom of Macedon existed as a Hellenic-Kingdom, populated by Greek speaking Hellenic peoples. The Macedonians were Hellenisms Northern-most Greeks who stood ready to defend and protect the Hellenic world from babarian attacks - incursions - invasions.

For a small Slavic statelet like FYRoM, to have the nerve, the gall, the front and the bottle to proclaim themselves Macedonians, the modern desendents of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity smacks of delusions of granduer...or quite simply - Indoctrination.

The Slavs of FYRoM are distanced from Macedonians at the ethnic-racial level, at the geographic level, at the linguistic level and at every-single scholarly-discipline known to [academia] man and science.

That mass-brainwashing can Indoctrinate the peoples of a small Slavic statelet like FYRoM, is testament to the power and control of the ruling-elite there. It is forbidden in FYRoM to insert the term Hellenic next to the Macedonian term.

At some stage, FYRoM shall teach what the rest of the world already teaches about ancient-European history...that Macedonians were a Greek-speaking Hellenic peoples and that Slav-Macedonians can only ever apply that name to themselves
in the regional-geographic context.

Geek the nick ;

statelet of your mind is widely known as pseudo historic bullshit.

Keep on stirring it's your great soup ;






"Is it not worthy of tears that, when the number of worlds is infinite, we have not yet become lords of a single one?"

"Remember, conquer your fear and I promise you you will conquer death."

Alexander III of Macedon

SLAVA !!!

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

This is FYRoM Revisionism - Pseudo-history at it's best.
[link to www.historyofmacedonia.org] FYRoM anti-Hellenic - anti-Western - anti-Mainstream propaganda-site.

Donski - Boshevski - Tentov - Belchevski - Stefov - Gandeto - Ilyov - Grezlovski - Stephou...

FYRoM's best are all there, in that psuedo-historical link.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs get to be Macedonians on the twin alters of Revisionism and Pseudo-history...FYRoM's Macedonian-Identity rests on these two morally and ethically inept guiding principles.

Without Revisionism and Pseudo-history FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs remain Slavic...from Serbian and Bulgarian heritage.

Only a harderned propagandist or a severley brainwashed Individual could confuse ancient-European Mainstream history with pseudo-history...and hold, that FYRoM's version of history is the right one.

Peace to all Slav brothers who continue support the Greek positions in the long running name dispute fiasco with FYRoM.

MIR...to all Slav brothers who see todays Greeks as the sole and legal cultural-custodians of the ancient-Hellenic legacy.

For a long time, the Slavic tribes resisted to adopt Christianity in a language they could not understand. They witnessed the Roman-Catholic Church hold the liturgy in Latin, they also witnessed the Greek-Orthodox Church hold the liturgy in the Greek-language. The delay earned them a reputation for being amongst the last of the Europeans to adopt Christianity.

The (Byzantine) Eastern-Romans realized that the Slavs had to be taught the Christian-Orthodox religion in their own root language. The baptism of the Slavic tribes was initiated under the Patriarch Photios. When Rastislav, King of Great-Moravia placed a request for teachers that could minister to the Moravians in their own Slavic-language...the Byzantine-Emperor Michael III sent him two brothers, Constantine and Methodius.

The brothers were learned in many different languages, they could speak the Slavonic vernacular with ease. The brothers created the Glagolitic alphabet then translated the holy-scriptures and the liturgy into Slavonic. The Slavic-dialect the brothers learned became the basis of Old-Church Slavonic, or Old-Bulgarian which evolved to become the common liturgical language that is still in use in the Slav-Orthodox Churches of today.

The Greeks pride themselves in bringing the Slavonic-peoples into Orthodox-Christendom. The Greeks baptized - Christianized and civilized the Slavic-tribes into the faith and cultural-traditions of the Byzantine-Empire, an Imperial and cultural-legacy that binds Greek to Slav and Slavs to Greeks in fraternal-bondships.

MIR...to all Slav brothers!

Macedonians are the Greeks that stayed loyal to Hellenism, proud to have retained that Greek-language and that Hellenic-culture which binds them, in backwards-compatible fashion to the Macedonians of lore! Macedonians are the Greeks that still live in that historic-region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece...nobody has the right to Rubbish This! The blood and the Dna signature one carries today may not reflect faithfully ones current-Identity ethnic-pride or National feelings, cross-fertilization between the races spanning millennia has seen that. So this statement must be True:

The Macedonian-Name belongs in the Greek domain whilst Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek-heritage, even in the absence of Greeks from the modern-human population pool!

The peoples of the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula share much, we are all Byzantiums Children...Greeks - Slavs - Georgians - Rumanians - Armenians - Turks* and many others. Peace in the lands of Orthodox-Christendom! Learning about Greek-Orthodox Christendom, one automatically learns the history of Byzantium, Christendom in the Eastern-Roman Empire.

Greeks trace their heritage back to Byzantium along with a multitude of others. Through them...the Eastern-Romans, the Greeks connect to an older-heritage, the Hellenic one. From those children of Byzantium, only the Greeks can produce legitimate connections to the ancient-Hellenic legacy.

Blood and Dna No make Identity...education does that!

Some things were not meant to be changed. Some things were meant to stay the same...the way nature intended.

Macedonians have always been Greek...this is the natural order of things.

By changing the ethnic and racial composition of the Macedonians...from Centum Greek speaking Hellenic peoples to Satem Slavic speaking Slavonic peoples, is going against nature and the natural order of things. FYRoM paid a heavy price for attempting to do just that. Ultimately, it has served to reinforced the Greek-Hellenic Identity of the Macedonians.

FYRoM...a Slavic country, wanting to name itself after a Greek-Hellenic name is not natural, on the contrary, it is going against nature. Macedonians have always been Greek and Greek have always lived in the historic-region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece.

Some things were not meant to be changed. Some things were meant to stay the same...way nature intended.

Macedonians have been Greek speaking Hellenic peoples from since the days of King Karanus. There was never a break or an interlude in their development path. They started-off as Greeks and they are still here today as Greeks...living in the same place(s) their ancestors dwelt.

Macedonians have always been Greek and Greeks have always lived in the historic-region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece. Who can change or alter this? Some things you cannot alter because those things were never meant to be changed.

FYRoM's 21 year campaign to rewrite the demographic history and composition of the Greek [Haemus] peninsula has earned it a reputation, a bad-one...for being a shameless usurper of a history and a heritage the Slavic race had nothing to do with.

Yes FYRoM is a Slavic country peopled by South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock, whilst Macedonia is a Northern Greek region peopled by Greek speaking Hellenic peoples from
since the times of King Karanus 808 - 778 BC.

FYRoM dabbled and meddled in revisionism and pseudo-history in order to legitimize it's presence in a place of the world steeped in Greek history...but it did that in such a bad way, in a crude and crass way. FYRoM's Slavist-orientated revisionist mind-architects took something good like the classics and Rubbished them, converted them into something Vulgar.

Nobody takes FYRoM seriously anymore...the place is kept at arms length, not given a second look, kept at a distance until the people there learn the truth about Macedonians and their distance from them. There is no relatedness between FYRoM - it's peoples and the Macedonians of lore.

The closest modern-humans to the Macedonians of lore are the Greeks...only Greeks can prove legitimate connections to them and their legacy.

Some things cannot be changed, ask FYRoM, they tried to alter something which was never meant to be changed and paid the ultimate price for that Silliness...diplomatic and political isolation!

What does Macedonia mean in Greek?

In Macedonian it means Mother Land.

Macedonia(n)...when this term is used, it is used to describe Greeks, Northern-Greeks that live within the historic boundaries of the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon in Northern-Greece.

Todays Greeks are the closest modern-humans to the Macedonians of lore...demographers will attest to that.

FYRoM's diaspora in the USA and elswhere have done their peoples back home immense damage by financing - bankrolling
much of the pseudo-historical propaganda found littering the Internet.

Those who still cling on to the Idea that they are Macedonian on the basis of an acquired name and a hybrid Serbo-Bulgarian language are in the minority...after 21 years of the Macedonian name being tossed around, the peoples of this world have become learned and knowledgable
about Macedonia and Macedonians.

Macedonians have always been Greek and Greeks have always lived in the historic-region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-
Greece...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not one of these!

Some things cannot be changed!