Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav

For the last 3-4 Millenniums, the place where modern Hellas is situated displays a continuous presence of peoples that have always shared a common Hellenic collective-consciousness, with common collective-memories, common-traditions, common-language and common-religion...traites and attributes which ultimately connect them back, in backwards-compatible fashion to previous generations of Greeks stretching all the way back to the Mycaenean proto-Greeks. Macedonians were integral to this, important part of this, they Identified with this collective - Greeks to the core. FYRoM has No right to rubbish this! Under what rights, conventions, protocols do the [ex-Yugo] Slavs from FYRoM have, to cast them differently. Macedonia has always been a Greek inhabited region...I mean ofcourse, the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon - not the Roman administered region where FYRoM is right now.

By virtue of the fact, FYRoM sits on Roman administered lands called Macedonia II Salutaris during their rule, only entitles them to Identify themselves regionally by that name. It must be stressed though...the region called Macedonia today is not what Macedonia was in ancient-times, the area was extended and enlarged to incorporate Paeonia and Dardania, this is where FYRoM is situated right now.

It is true, the peoples living in FYRoM today are Macedonians in the regional sense because they live in geographic-Macedonia, they are not alone though, Greeks Bulgars and Albanians live there too - much like Germans, French and Spanish live in Europe and call themselves by that name. Nobody can seriously object to them calling themselves Macedonians, like nobody can object to Germans French and Spanish calling themselves Europeans...the Identity is geographic, and the term is used by more than one country.

Macedonians have always been Greek and they have always live there...in the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon - Nobody has the right to underestimate the worlds collective intelligence on matters Macedonian. FYRoM must stop the Silliness and return the Macedonian back in the Greek domain where it belongs. Ancient-Macedonian Identity belongs to Greek heritage whilst the modern version can be used in it's regional connotation today to describe Greeks, Slavs and to a lesser degree, Albanians.

The [ex-Yugo] Slavs from FYRoM do not respect themselves enough to Identify after their own parent-ethnicity. They rubbish Slavdom when they do that. They ridicule the Slavic race when they use the Macedonian-name to Identify with - an ancient and archaic, regional-tribal name which is much older than their ancestors settlement of the area. FYRoM's rejection of their Slavic ethnogenic beginnings is a major embarrassment to Slavdom. To have a recently established Slavic country like FYRoM tell the world they are "ethnic-Macedonians," the modern descendants of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity must be very humiliating for Slavdom...to hear Slavic speaking peoples not being able to differentiate themselves from the original
Hellenic speaking Macedonians. To have Slavic-speaking peoples disrespect Slavdom is one thing, but to have them disrespect the international academic community is quite another - it has cast FYRoM as the distorter of ancient-European history and cast them also the usurper of Greek names, symbols, history and heritage.

FYRoM alienated a whole nation of Hellenes against them, a global population exceeding some 20 Million peoples both at home and abroad...the Greeks focus on FYRoM's anti-Hellenic jibes and act accordingly - Slavdom is focused on FYRoM now, like a lazer beam, uneasy at the way the peoples there reluctantly use their Slavic heritage.

Slavic-Macedonians and Greek-Macedonians form two distinct, quite different people-groups. The parent-ethnicity is obvious and clearly discernible - Slavic on the one side and Hellenic on the other side. A distinction can be made on the basis of this differentiation.

Another distinction can be made on the basis of linguistic-nomenclature - the Slavs of FYRoM use Makedonci, Makedonski, Makedonija, to describe themselves, their language and their country, whilst the Hellenes of Greece use the nomenclature Makethones, Ellinika, Ellada.

We know that Slavic-Macedonians self-Identify as Makedonci inside their own country-Makedonija, using their own Makedonski-language. We know that Greek-Macedonians self-Identify as Makethones inside their own country-Ellada using their own Ellinika-language.

Two distinctions can be made using (i) parent-ethnicity, and (ii) linguistic-nomenclature to differentiate FYRoM's Slavic-Macedonians from Greeces Hellenic-Macedonians - to end the long-running, 21 year-old, name-dispute between FYRoM and Greece.

Ofcourse, there is no real incentive for FYRoM to do that, to compromise, in order to end the dispute...as far as they are concerned, they are 90% where they want to be - Macedonian-speaking Macedonians, from the Republic of Macedonia, this is how they see themselves.

The adjective "Macedonian" is applicable to the peoples of more than one country...it is a geographic-term which nowadays describes Greeks, Slavs and Albanians. The problem arises when the Slavs of FYRoM attempt to convert an otherwise regional-geographic Identity into an ethnic-racial one. There is no such thing as an ethnic-Macedonian, such ethnicity does not exist except in the minds of some brainwashed South-Slavs from FYRoM who were cruelly indoctrinated into that belief.

The original Macedonians were a Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples...their name is older, much older than FYRoM's Slavic ancestors arrival to the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon - a time continuum spanning a Millennium from the death of Alexander the Great.

FYRoM wants a Greek-name to self-Identify with, and to self-determine with. FYRoM even disputes the names Greek-Hellenic credentials, contrary to the massive stockpile of accumulated evidence - FYRoM insists, it is just Macedonian and unique only to them, because only they are Macedonian speaking Macedonians from the Republic of Macedonia.

There is no chance FYRoM could usurp the Macedonian-name for their new Slavic-country, nationality, language and ethnicity - the Greeks wont let them, on the basis, it is one their ancestral regional-tribal names. European-names are important to Europeans...more important to the people-groups that originated them in the first place. Macedonia is a Greek-name, it describes the native Hellenic-peoples that originated the name in the first place. Macedonia has always been Greek and Greeks have always lived there...who got bottle to Rubbish This!

Macedonians have always been Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples from since the days of King Karanus. Greeks by speech and by genus, and by all the other ways that make one Greek...but what is it that makes people Greek ?

Culture and language are potent Identity factors but they are not the only ones. When people-groups share these things and more, the defining element is usually encapsulated in the name of the language. Peoples of the same speech and same genus are far more likely to Identify with the original creators of their ethno-linguistic name than say, peoples who differ from them on that basis.

Genes and haplogroups are potent Identity factors but not the only ones. When people-groups share these things, you can see it, it shows in their morphology, but their blood and Dna might not reflect faithfully their ethnic-pride or national-feelings, those things are passed-down from the ancestors - or learned!

When dominant-cultures assimilate other cultures, blood and Dna get absorbed also. When the ancient-Greeks Hellenized neighbouring cultures, they absorbed Thracians, Illyrians and Kelts into their collective, the assimilation process ensured that the host culture and language dominated.

Greeks are Greek on the basis of their speech and genus - this is the way the Byzantine Emperors Identified with their imperial collective...born on Greek soil from Greek-speaking parents. It was frowned upon, to marry outside the conventions of the ecclesiastical system of the empire, so Greeks married other Greeks - fourth generation fully assimilated ones included.

FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs are not Macedonians on the basis of their speech or genus...these things make them Slavic. To be the Macedonians they want to be -
they must Hellenize and waite for the assimilation process to kick-in, usually on the 4th generation. After four generations, when the peoples there are walking and talking like Greeks, who would want to contest their Greekness!

La Gioconda or..

Logic (from the Greek λογική, logikē)[1] refers to both the study of modes of reasoning (which are valid, and which are fallacious)[2][3] and the use of valid reasoning. In the latter sense, logic is used in most intellectual activities
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Greek

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IPA: [lɔʝiˈci]

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λογική (logikí) f, uncountable
1.logic

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[show ▼] declension of λογική







[edit] Derived terms
λογικεύω (logikévo, “to think/behave reasonably”)
λογικά (logiká, “logically”)
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Monad (from Greek μονάς monas, "unit" from μόνος monos, "alone"),[1] according to the Pythagoreans, was a term for Divinity or the first being, or the totality of all beings,[citation needed] Monad being the source or the One meaning without division. [link to en.wikipedia.org]

so ligic isthe same as mo-nas ..a female...a La Joconde [link to en.wikipedia.org]

and of course the hellenic greeks came up with that one

Monad (philosophy) = f-emale (philosophy)

all just one....

' You almost expect to hear: "she was a fine philosopher -- for a woman" when hearing about ancient female prodigies. After all, our predecessors' opportunities, especially if they were "respectable" women, were nearly non-existent. ' [link to ancienthistory.about.com]

Because the Macedonian-name originated under Hellenic skies, and because it was created by Greek-speaking peoples using a Centum Indo-European, Hellenic-language - those things make it Greek, those facts make it an ancestral place-name unique to the Greeks, a people-name and place-name applicable only to Greek-Hellenic-peoples...creators and originators of the name in the first place.

A real authentic-Macedonian is a Greek-speaking Hellenic person from Macedonia, the real Macedonia...the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon located in Northern-Greece.

Real Macedonians are the Greeks that have been there for generations on Long-Stay basis, who can trace and validate their ancestral presence there through Church records or other such demographic-census statistics - or it can be Greeks who only recently arived there from elsewhere, Short-Stay Greeks who made Macedonia their home through chance or circumstance.

The principle determining factor which ultimately determines
real authentic-Macedonian from fake-Macedonian is the parent-ethnicity...the Hellenic factor.

Macedonia(n) - This term is applicable only to Greeks...Greeks who live in the historic region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece.

What do the [ex-Yugo] Slavs from FYRoM have to do with real Macedonia ?

Macedonia:Propaganda Doesn't Lie - Just Distorts The Truth

Propaganda doesn't lie - it just distorts the truth. FYRoM doesn't lie, it just doesn't tell the whole truth, instead, it uses half-truths and other such propaganda-tools...this is how the Makedonists in FYRoM sell their Ideological agenda to the general public there, in that country.

In FYRoM, the new generation are completely sold on the Idea they are Macedonians and Alexander the Great is their hero, their legitimate ancestor. The Greeks protest at their Silliness but after 21 years, more and more Slavic children there are being lured into the Makedonist dream wonderland of FYRoM's ruling elite. On their will and on their command, this new Slavic statelet has taken on the facade of pre-Roman classical-antiquity, where the practice of erecting gigantic statues of ancient-Greek hero's next neo-classical style buildings has made Skopje, the capital city, take on the appearance of a Theme-Park, similar to the looks of that Casino style architecture associated with Las Vagas.

FYRoM's propaganda against Greece and Hellenism doesn't lie - it just distorts the truth. All references to the ancient-Macedonians Greek-Hellenic Identity are simply erased, and the term Hellenic is forbidden to appear anywhere near the term Macedonian for fear of association between the two...this is how FYRoM Rubishes Hellenism.

It is not a lie to call Alexander the Great the Macedonian-King of Macedon rather than the Greek-King of Macedon, it's just a gross distortion of the whole truth...a half-truth! This is how FYRoM's revisionist pseudo-historians get away with luring young Slavic children, pupils and students into Makedonism - a Slavist based expansionist Ideology which sets out to make Macedonians out of Serbian and Bulgarian South-Slavs, the intention ofcourse, is to one-day, lay claims to Northern-Greek Macedonian-territory.

Tell a Slavic child he is Macedonian...tell him, Greeks occupy Aegean-Macedonia - now tell that child Alexander the Great is Macedonian and Greeks try to steal his legacy by bribing the international academic community, a world body of knowledge that includes classicist-historian scholars and other such academically minded peoples, peoples who staked their whole professional carears on the dissemination of Graeco-Roman history.

Propaganda doesn't lie - it just distorts the truth. FYRoM's
anti-Hellenic propaganda has been noticed at the highest echelons of diplomatic office...precisely the reason why the country is being shunned, kept at arms length, at a distance until the peoples there learn the whole truth about Macedonians.

Macedonians have always been Greek...a regional historical people-group of ethnic-Greek stock - can FYRoM's anti-Hellenic propaganda really Rubbish This!

Young people in FYRoM are discouraged from learning key and vital areas of information about themselves, that traditionally, historically, culturally, linguistically, ethnically and racially they have always been Slavic, a South-Slavic people-group of Serbian and Bulgarian stock. Their parent-ethnicity always being Slavic, something primordial and God-given, something which should never be changed or altered, something to be cherished, defended and protected.

The reason for the discouragement is because it interferes with Makedonism, a Slavist based doctrine which teaches young Slavic children to see themselves as Macedonian in the first instance and Slavic only as a consequence. The Slavic tribes entered the history books as relative latecomers, arriving in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula at the top-end of the 6th Century AD. Makedonists downplay FYRoM's Slavic affiliation to that of linguistic level only.

There are many theories Ideas and conjectures surrounding FYRoM's ethno-genesis story - the native indigenous Macedonian theory is the least convincing, on the basis, Macedonians entered the history books as Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples. If the peoples of FYRoM were truly native and indigenous, they would have spoken the Hellenic language first and Slavic only after Slavicisation. As if it wasn't confusing enough, Makedonists in FYRoM teach the young people there to see themselves as Macedonians and to see Greeks as the enemy.

Young people in FYRoM are thoroughly convinced that Greece is occupying 52% of their territory...Makedonist propaganda
teaches young Slavic children to view Greece as an occupying power, keeping 52% of their Macedonian territory under occupation. Greek-Macedonia is where the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon is situated - FYRoM's Makedonists have eyes for this region, they call it Aegean-Macedonia.

There is so much they dont know about Macedonia it is insulting to those who do know - FYRoM's Makedonists underestimated the worlds collective intelligence on matters Macedonian...churning out young Slavic people with the potential to embarrass Slavdom each and every time they open their mouths.

For those who know about Macedonia, it's history, it's heritage, it's peoples ethno-linguistic cultural-Identity, know that what FYRoM is doing is wrong. Those who know about Macedonia know the place to have been an ancient-Greek Kingdom - the place which produced King Phillip II who begat Alexander the Great, who exported Hellenism, the Greek-Hellenic language, knowledge and culture to the farthest reaches of the then known ancient-world. With knowledge like this, it is easy to see why FYRoM is in the wrong. FYRoM vies and contests with Greece the Macedonians Greek-Hellenic credentials, in a very crude and crass way.
For those who know about Macedonia, from it's earliest beginnings, know that what FYRoM is doing. Wrong, on the basis, there is no chance it can succeed through revisionism, to alter the historical-narrative which scripts the ancient-Macedonians into the history books as a regional historical people-group of ethnic-Greek stock. For those who know about Macedonia, know, that FYRoM is using pseudo-historical propaganda to strip the Macedonians from their Greek-Hellenic ancestral base...something nigh-on impossible to do, except in FYRoM. Only in FYRoM, do the schools, colleges and universities there portray Macedonians
being something different to Greeks.

It is insulting to Greeks, to have a neighbour-country contest one of Hellenisms ancient and archaic, regional-tribal peoples-name and place-name. European-names are important to Europeans...they are more important to the people-groups that originated them in the first place.

It is disrespectful...not just to the Greeks, but to the International academic community, to have a country like FYRoM disregard their teachings on the subject of, and on matters Macedonian.

It is Ignorant Arrogant and Abrasive for FYRoM to reject in it's entirety, the mainstream historical-narrative in order to promote their version of ancient-European history. The International academic-world have rejected FYRoM's revisionism as being Ideoligically-inspired, politically-orientated, pseudo-historical Indoctrination.

It is annoying to have FYRoM contest a name long established
in the Greek world. Clearly, there has been a gross under estimation of the worlds collective intelligence on the subject of Macedonia.

FYRoM thought it had all the answers when the Makedonists there attempted to eject the ancient-Macedonians from Hellenism and the Greek-world. The historical-propaganda narratives that once littered the internet were crude but effective, they were well presented and alot of time, effort and energy must have gone into them, but after 22 years of Rubbishing the Greeks and Hellenism...where is FYRoM today!

For those who know about Macedonia, know, that FYRoM is playing with the West - fundamentally, an anti-Western place
where the peoples still habour anti-Western sentiments.

FYRoM Does NOT Deserve NATO Membership - Stewart Rowles: All I see is a country using NATO to get to the Golden Goose of the EU. What benefits are there for NATO when the majority of the FYROM’s Slav population detests NATO for kicking the fellow Slavic Serbs out and bringing the ethnic Albanians power in neighboring Kosovo?

[link to archive.atlantic-community.org] The Tide is Turning Against FYRoM - more and more people in top positions are seeing the country for what it is...an anti-Western place not fit for NATO or EU membership.

Gotcha Geek !!!

Greetings from Alexander Macedonian

The name "Macedonia" originally refered to the historic region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece. This place has been connected geographically and culturally to the Hellenic-world for millenniums. Geographical-Macedonia is different, it includes FYRoM which has a 38% stake, Bulgaria, which has 9% stake and Albania, which has a miniscule 1% stake. 48% of greater-Macedonian territory is outside of Greece but the Greeks dont mind, because none of that territory was ever a part of the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon. Greece holds 52% of geographical-Macedonia, it constitutes the area covered by the original Kingdom, exactly as described by Strabo, the ancient-geographer.

FYRoM, being recognized as the "Republic of Macedonia" is appropriating the Macedonian-name in it's entirety, at the expense and exclusions of its neighbours. A geographic-term which straddles over more than one country cannot be assumed
or usurped exclusively by one of them. There is no country called "The Republic of Scandinavia" just as there is no country called "The Republic of Silesia" why should the rules change accomodate FYRoM.

Macedonia - Scandinavia - Silesia are modern examples of geographic-terms straddling over more than one country...common-sense dictates that those names cannot be assumed, usurped or appropraited exclusively by one of them.

FYRoM holds 38% of geographic-Macedonian territory, which is not the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon but rather Paeonia and Dardania. There is nothing Macedonian in FYRoM - not the land, not the peoples, why should they covet a name which does not belong to them unless it is for sinister reasons and motives.

There are young Slavic children in FYRoM who see Greece as an occupying power holding 52% of Macedonian territory they believe belongs to them...brainwashed by the Makedonists, Indoctrinated on their Ideology which teaches young Slavic children to see themselves as Macedonians and to see Greeks as the enemy.

Greeks despair but we No give-up - we shall continue to defend Hellenism and protect our cultural-heritage...Come Hell or High Water!

So Hell and High Water you shall have.

Greek-speaking peoples created the Macedonian name. It was spawned from Hellenism...from peoples using a Centum Indo-European, Hellenic-language. It originated under Hellenic skies, in the ancient-Greek world.

FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs are neither Greek-speakers nor Hellenic-peoples - we know they are Slavic speakers, we know they use a Satem Indo-European Slavic-language, we know it was spawned from Slavdom and we know it was created under Communist-Slavist skies during WWII 1944 wartime Yugoslavia.

We know, that Communists Serbianized the Bulgarian-language and renamed it Macedonian-language. We know that Communists converted a province into a republic and renamed it the "Peoples Republic of Macedonia" in 1945.

We know, that Communists sent-in Slavic fighters to fight in Greece, to aid Greek-Communists topple the legitimate Royalist government there. We know they lost, and we know it left a bitter legacy in Greece, and amongst the many Greek citizens of Slavic heritage who showed their disloyalty to Greece fighting for the Communists. Their departure was confounded by the fact they faced serious criminal charges of treason and crimes against the state, had they stayed.

The Macedonian name belongs to Hellenism and the Greek-world...Greeks fought hard to keep Macedonia Greek, in the face of strong Communist-Slavic attempts to tear it away from the Greeks.

The Macedonian-name belongs in the Greek domain and Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage...It does not belong to South-Slavs in any Way Shape or Form.

You shall die and go to hell if you don't change your ways!

FYRoM's Slavist-orientated Makedonist-propaganda against Hellenism does't lie - it just distorts the truth...for example: Alexander the Great was not the Greek-King of Macedon but rather, the Macedonian-King of Macedon, this is not a lie directly, just a distortion, a half-truth, a propaganda technique much used in FYRoM to seperate the Macedonians away from the rest of the Greeks in order the Slavs there, could claim Alexander the Great for their ancestor.

[link to www.historyofmacedonia.org] FYRoM propaganda site still littering the internet with fanciful imaginative pseudo-historical revisionism. A fine example of Propaganda Techniques used by the Slavs of FYRoM to promulgate the Idea, the ancient-Macedonians were not Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples but rather something closer and akin to the Slavic race!

[link to www.historyofmacedonia.org] Very well presented and meticulously put together...how could a Slavic child reading this not be seduced, duped into Maledonism, deceived into the belief that the ancient-Macedonians were not Greeks but just Macedonians, just like the Slavic peoples of FYRoM.

[link to www.historyofmacedonia.org] The time, the money, the energy and the sheer amount of effort that went into this presentation demonstrates the seriousness of their approach towards brainwashing their young people and Indoctrinating the masses. This is exactly the kind of material evidence the Greeks hold-up as being anti-Hellenic, Slavist-orientated Makedonist-propaganda prevalent in FYRoM....testament to their beliefs that the West created Greece and the Greeks to cheat the Slavic race from it's true history and real heritage in the Balkans, which they contend is Macedonian.

Greeks despair but we No give-up - we shall fight FYRoM's anti-Hellenic, Slavist-orientated, Makedonist-propaganda with all the political and academic tools at our disposal!
We shall fight half-truths with truths and we shall fight distortios with facts...until the peoples of FYRoM learn the truth about Macedonia and Macedonians.

Macedonians have always been Greek - a regional historical people-group of ethnic-Greek stock...FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs are Not one of these!

I know for a fact he was gay

So are you ;

Wannabe Brave,not so great,Dutch van Duck

Before a nation becomes sovereign and independent, it's leaders should first check to see if the name they propose to use for self-determination is going to clash or conflict with neighbours peoples-name and place-names...this course of action would be viewed the most civilized thing to do. In FYRoM's case, the political leadership there took a different course of action, a confrontationist approach towards independence.

FYRoM knew full well and in advance, the reaction of it's neighbours to proclaiming their new Slavic statelet "The Republic of Macedonia," and still went ahead with that ill-judged, ill thought-out decision.

To think that they could get away with having themselves recognized as a NoN-Greek Macedonian country, a Macedonian Nation State peopled by South-Slavs, was only ever in the minds of some Capitalist-Slavists from the diaspora who formed close ties and relationships with some high powered Western political groupings with inteterests in energy supply routes being planned for the Balkans. It must be streesed, FYRoM's recognition as RoM back in 2004 was taken under this backdrop.

With Yugoslavia almost fully disintegrated, split and fragmented into 7 pieces, 6 of them Slavic-States, one of them not...the same fate awaited Greece. Tearing Macedonia away from Greece then joining it to the new RoM would have minimized Greek borders to Thessaly, with Eastern-Thrace becoming completely detached from Hellas proper - Picture the Map, the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula becomes the most divided, the most fractious and fragmented part of Europe, a mosaic of small, useless and unimportant statelets, some them protectorates, some of them not.

The vision above becomes the mother of all nightmares for the Christian-Orthodox countries of the Greek [Haemus] peninsula...with Turkey in-line to become the only beneficiary of such a nightmarish outcome. In this scenario and in the absence of stability in the Haemus - Ottoman Revivalists had visions to bring Turkey back into the Balkans, as the regions policing and stabilizing factor, a partner the West could do business with.

What a nightmare scenario eh! Greece survives all attempts at bringing it down to insignificant level and secures it's place and future in the Euro-Atlantic economic and security area. That Greece is to become an important player in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula is all but assured in the way the Greeks navigated their way out of the chaos and turmoil thrown and placed in front of them.

From since it was initially founded back in ancient times, Macedonian borders were neither stable nor fixed, they were always in flux, changing. The ancient-Kingdom of Macedon differed both in size and shape from the Roman administered Macedonia, and Medieval Macedonia differed from the Byzantine Theme-Macedonia which moved to Thrace. Ottoman Vilayet-Macedonia changed again until in 1913, the Greeks ejected the Turks from the region and returned Macedonia back to Greek hands. The geography of Greek Macedonia today resembles that of the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon during the rule of King Phillip II, it mirrors the descriptions of Strabo the ancient-geographer when he wrote his Book VII Fragments.

[link to penelope.uchicago.edu] If I have proven anything at all, it is this - it's not about the geography but about the name. The name went wherever the Greeks took it.

When the Byzantine-Greeks moved Macedonia to Thrace, they didn't move the turf of the original ancient-Kingdom there - they moved the name there instead...a decision proven to be light-years ahead of it's time because they showed us a fine example of proof of ownership! You know when a name is yours when you take it with you wherever you go. The New World in the Americas is full of people-names and place-names that were transplanted there from the Old-World.
Nobody confuses French-Names with Dutch-Names or mistakes Spanish-Names for German-Names or mixes English-Names with Portuguese-Names.

The Macedonian-name originated under Hellenic skies from Greek speaking peoples using a Centum Indo-European, Hellenic-language - No mistake, No confusion...just fact!

The peoples of FYRoM have been Slavic for 1,400 years and Macedonian for just 68 of them, from since 1945 - What does this tell You!

The peoples of FYRoM have been speaking Bulgarian for 1,400 years and Macedonian for just 69 of them, from since 1944 - What does this tell You!

The Draguvites tribe and the Berzites tribe are FYRoM's closest Slavic relatives their ancestral-forebears, but they hardly get a mention in the history and heritage of this young, recently established Balkan country. From since the top-end of the 6th Century AD until now, many years have passed...for 1,332 of those years, the peoples of FYRoM were perfectly happy to affiliate with the Bulgarian ethnos. For 1,331 of those years, they spoke Bulgarian and unashamedly self-Identified the same. There is no mistake, no confusion and no doubt, the peoples of FYRoM are Slavic in all the ways that matter!

When FYRoM's Slavic ancestors first settled the Greco-Roman world, they did not come in as Macedonians...we know, they came in as Draguvites and Berzites along with the Sagudates and the Velegizites, the Zagorites and the Ezerites, and many more besides.

It took a long time for the Slavic tribes to form nations in their own right - the first such entity to do so was Bulgaria. In all their dealings with Slavs, the Medievil Byzantine Emperors always refered to them as Vulgari meaning Bulgarians.

The peoples of Macedonia have been Greek for >3 Milleniums
and Hellenic for the same - What does this tell You!

It tells me, Macedonians have always been Greek...Greeks from the get-go, and they are still here today the same - What does that tell You!

Who got bottle to stand next to a Greek in order to tell him - FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs have absolute right to name themselves Macedonian in the ethnic-racial sense, and in the cultural-linguistic sense, even though those Identity factors do not bode well with Slavs. Who got the front to stand next to a Greek to tell him - FYRoM has inalienable rights to name their country Macedonia and their nationality
ethnicity and language Macedonian, when it is known, there is Nothing Macedonian about them.

European Names are important to Europeans - more important to the native and indigenous people-groups that originated the name in the first place - What does this tell You!

FYRoM the country is Paeonia and Dardania whilst Macedonia, the ancient one, is Hellenic - This is a problem for them because FYRoM's so called Macedonians are Slavic whilst the ancient ones were Hellenic...this is a problem for them as well, because Hellenic-Macedonians are still around today, they can be found living in Macedon, the ancient-Kingdom situated in Northern-Greece. The name they covet for self-Identity and for self-determination purposes is the regiona-tribal name of a neighbouring peoples. Northern-Greeks have self-Identified and self-determined as Macedonians for more than 3 Milleniums whilst FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs from since 1945.

If it Walks like a Slav and Talks like a Slav, then it is, Slavic...how else should we describe them. FYRoM the country
is a synthesis of all the peoples that surround it. The milieu there, at various stages during the past adopted the Slavic way, the language, the culture and tradition - next to the Slavs proper, who just continued to be Slavs.

In the Balkans, we are all mixed...some more than others. So
this statement is true: The Macedonian-name belongs in the Greek domain whilst the Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage. Those who continue the Greek way have principle entitlement to the name and Identity. Those who continue to follow the Greek way are morally and ethically obliged to keep the name and the Identity Greek. Only those who Walk like Greeks and Talk like Greeks have principle claim to the Macedonian name and Identity.

If in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula we are all derived from the same stuff...a common gene-pool, then we owe it to the Greeks of old - the Macedonians of lore, to keep their name and their Identity Hellenic. Greeks try to do that - Slavs try to ruin that!

FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs Walk like Slavs and Talk like Slavs when the Macedonians they want to be, always Walked like Greeks and Talked like Greeks - this is a problem for them!

On the basis of their Slavic heritage, FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs automatically exclude themselves from the historical legacy of Macedon. The Kingdom of Macedon was an ancient-Greek Kingdom...only Greeks have principle claim to the historical legacy.

The antiquisation efforts undertaken by the Makedonists in FYRoM, to place them on an equilibrium with Greece over the cultural and hereditary rights to the ancient-Macedonian legacy, has proven to be a bit of an embarrassment for them the country the peoples there, and Slavdom - who's name they used in vain, when they proclaimed Alexander the Great - Aleksandar Veliki, the first Czar of the Slavs.

The general consensus amongst analysts and observers of the long running name dispute issue, is that many International political-representatives, historian-scholars, political-scientists and political-journalists have shown themselves to be more sympathetic towards the Greek positions...when before antiquisation, they supported FYRoM's right to use the Macedonian name for self-Identity and for self-determination purposes.

Things changed when the FYRoM government erected and put on display gigantic statues of Alexander the Great and his father King Phillip at the center of Skopje...sympathy and support for their cause faded and diminished at a stroke. Both of those characters were important powerful figures for Greeks and Hellenism. Their actions had numerous direct and indirect consequences for Greek culture language and traditions, in all of the eras and epochs during the rise of King Phillip until the death of his son Alexander the Great. There is a cultural-linguistic dimension which bonds all Greeks with their legacy - and FYRoM Rubbished that.

There is no valid reason for the Slavs of FYRoM to Idolize King Philip and Alexander the Great the way they do in Skopje, the reason they do it is to antagonize the Greeks, to watch Greeks squirm at their antics...the thrill they derive from watching Greeks get uptight is worth it for them because they know - only Greeks have legitimate claims to the historical legacy of ancient-Macedon.

FYRoM stands alone in the world...shoved-up a siidng, kept at a distance, at arms length, because what they have done to Hellenism has repulsed the EU, UN, USA, NATO and the International academic community - these bodies do not give FYRoM a second look anymore.

Since the Peoples Republic of Macedonia was the creation of the Communists, the regime in power during WWII wartime Yugoslavia, the Serbian Orthodox Church refused to recognized the MOC on the basis, the Church of FYRoM remains the only Orthodox Church ever, to have been be set-up by atheist Communists - to this day, it remains unrecognized in Orthodox Christendom.

Now the Bulgarians - on the one hand, Bulgaria recognized FYRoM as the Republic of Macedonia, but on the other hand, they do not see the peoples there being different to them, they see the peoples of FYRoM as Western-Bulgarians.

Now the Greeks - Greece never recognized FYRoM as Macedonia in the first place, from the very beginning, on the basis, Greeks see them as Bulgarians.

Now the Albanians - the fourth neighbor of FYRoM, they recognized FYRoM as Macedonia but see the peoples there as Bulgarians.

Each of FYRoM's neighbours see them as South-Slavs from ethnic-Bulgarian stock, so if their parent-ethnicity is Bulgarian, how can they be ethnic-Macedonians as well!

Ethnicity and it's application in todays modern and complicated world is a very difficult subject to discuss, suffice to say, if the measure of ethnicity was calculated in feelings...then the ancient-Macedonians were fanatic Greeks - wherever they went, they left us their calling-card carved deep into the stones of every city they visited, built or renamed proclaiming their Greekness, as if they knew, that sometime way-off into the future, some Southern Slavs from ethnic-Bulgarian stock would make an attempt, a preemptive strike at taking the Macedonian-name away from it's Hellenic ancestral base.

FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs are not the Macedonians they think they are, told they are, or want to be...on the basis, everybody lnows them as South-Slavs from ethnic-Bulgarian stock.

There are a many impediments which restrict the peoples of FYRoM claiming direct or partial descent from the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity, (i) geography, (ii) language, (iii) culture and traditions. On geography, the Vardar region of extended [Roman] Macedonia, on which FYRoM sits, in no way correlates with the geography of ancient-Kingdom. On language, the language spoken in FYRoM is more similar to Bulgarian than it is to the Hellenic Centum language thae was spoken by Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. On culture and traditions, well, they are Slavic whilst the culture and traditions of ancient-Macedonians were Hellenic. However, there are very few impediments and restrictions to equate FYRoM with Paeonia and Dardania - these lands were home to the ancient-peoples of the same name. The indigenous native inhabitants of FYRoM constituted Paeonians in the main. FYRoM's ancient history in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula correlates more with Paeonians and Dardanians than it does with ancient-Macedonians, who's name they covet.

[link to www.historyfiles.co.uk] The Greek connection to the ancient-Macedonians transend (i) geography, (ii) language, (iii) culture and traditions. There has been a continuous Greek presence in the historic region of ancient-Macedon from since the days of King Karanus.

[link to www.historyfiles.co.uk] Dardanians were the ancient-peoples of FYRoM.

[link to www.wildwinds.com] Paeonians were the ancient-peoples of FYRoM.

[link to www.historyfiles.co.uk] Macedonians were the ancient-peoples of Greece.

Why do the Slavs of FYRoM covet a name and Identity that is intrinsic to the Greeks and Hellenism, when they connect more to the Paeonian name and Identity and the Dardanian name and Identity...these are more fitting to them than the Macedonian name.