Here's what a brown dwarf would do to the solar system on a 3600 year orbit...

No, you're talking millions of years, at which point the orbit would be so highly elliptical that it is quite possible "Nibiru" would be ejected by its interactions with the planets on the first orbit.

No one's in the room talking to me. Glad you mentioned it though. I'm going to chill in the voice chat if anyone has any further questions for me for the night.

Dr. Astro is it possible that all the planets are closer to the sun due to the slowing of the sun due to the fluffy cloud we supposedly have run into?

sorrydr.astro..I am banned from chat for some reason..canu pm a mod for me..idont have an upgraded account

Phen's got a thread about VC after dark right above, just post up there.

Well I know Rirchard Kowalski, who leads the UofA NEO detecting facility on Mt. Lemmon near Tucson. When we were getting a bunch of NEOs I asked him about this web site and some of the things that were being claimed. He knew nothing about it.

I'm not saying your full of it but why would professional astronomers from ASU know about some amateur like Astro Nut?

Doesn't history tell you something about disrupted orbits? Extreme ice ages, etc...... Your observation of astronomy is limited, a few hundred years of paper trails at best.

Be weary of comes our way

I am thinking you have lost track of subject. I was say that Nubiru could revolve around not around our sun, but around a partner of our sun. This planet makes extreamly close passes to our sun, even swinging around it(so I geuss it revolves around both!(hypotheticly)).

you say this is impluasable.

I am saying that that with enough speed, planet could maintain escape velocity after swing past sun and continue to other sun, regaining its speed, and then repeating the cycle.

You say planet would most likely shoot out of solar system all together.

I am saying solar system could be locked in a precise pattern, so that when planet escapes suns gravity, it is picked back up by partner sun, regains speed, and then returns again in 3600 years(six is perfect number, 3600 is six six hundreds, seems kinda cool huh?). In order for this to happen, system must be in precise pattern, like animals are in pattern with Earth.

You are saying such patterns do not happen in space. Then you are saying that such patterns as precise as tidal locks are somewhat common. you are contradicting yourself, and now saying I am not making sense.

What is I am missing?

Hello Mr. Astro.

Love your work mate.

Could you please run a simulation that shows "Planet X" in parallel with the other orbits, rather than tangential to it.

Thanks

Thanks!!!

I'm saying a planet outside its object's hill sphere is not going to re-join it, period. If it's traveling above solar escape velocity, it's not going to come back to the sun and most likely the main body it had previously orbited will be ejected as well.

And again, they do not say they discovered a brown dwarf in the asteroid belt you idiots. They said they discovered a brown dwarf, the discovery of 33,000 asteroids in the main belt is completely separate.

there has been talk of the sun rising in the west at one time ,maybe many times .maybe the sun slowing and the planets sling shotting past the sun but staying in the solar system is where this theory came from...?

I'm not sure what point you are trying for. A Jupiter sized object going through the solar system every 3600 years would have ejected most of the planets long ago. You only need a trivial understanding of gravity to know that.

I'm not sure what your point is.

disreguard last blert...

WHy should a planet that leaves the hill sphere of the sun not join back up? Said object revolves around two stars, always maintains velocity to escape hill sphere of each, yet while escaping one, it is thrown into the other.

Why is this impossible as you make it to be?

Dude: You stake every argument on "known" laws and properties of physics, orbital periods, orbital distances and other models that have only been in existence for what, 50 years or less. Maybe 100? Every thought in your head is based on a sliver of knowledge developed over a sliver of time. That's all you've got. Nothing else. The universe is hundreds of billions of years old, and yet you think you have figured out the answers based on a body of knowledge that is the equivalent of a flyspeck on the windshield of time.

I can't decide if you are more arrogant than naive, or simply both. Regardless, it is pointless for anyone to attempt to reason with someone who thinks that the lion's share of answers to the mysteries of the universe have been discovered during the 20th century. Galileo would have had a helluva time with you. The world would be flat in your mind until the "known" laws of physics proved otherwise.

We don't know shit, and every day professional physicists and astronomers are realizing this - especially in these times. If they can admit it, you might consider doing the same.

Had an absolute ball reading this thread. The passion runs deep in the for and against.
I guess we will find out who's right and wrong in the coming months/years, but you know what?...WHO GIVES A SHIT??? REALLY???....Just remember to breath in and out and everything will sort itself out..:)...

Have a nice day.

You're suggesting a free return trajectory, but such trajectories have to be very, very carefully engineered and deliberately steered, and even then it's not always doable two-ways. Apollo's free return trajectory was a one-way return once, that's it. If you can construct a stable free-return trajectory between a brown dwarf and the sun that works two-ways indefinitely despite the perturbing effects of the planets and place the brown dwarf outside the inner solar system I would be highly, highly impressed.

You're wrong Astro.



Here's a picture...

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Oh and here is the original source AGAIN and AGAIN.

source: [link to www.nasa.gov]

Care to explain then how an



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Secondly, your original reason for supporting the computer model was based upon what you claimed was orbital mechanics, when it is really celestial mechanics. It's alright though, you must of been asleep in class!



Source: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

While orbital mechanics is described as;



Source: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

You clearly don't know wtf you're talking about.

You remind me of this guy...



Last Edited by Children of the Atom on 08/15/2012 11:24 PM

You keep forcing Dr. Astro to do your reading for you. Please stop.

Wise discovered about 100 Brown Dwarfs 9-40 light years away. The specific Y-Dwarf WISE 1828+2650 described in the article is 27 light years away.

It was located during one of "Two complete scans of the more distant universe, in two infrared bands"

Please read articles to make sure they support your point before you post.

Last Edited by Poriwoggu on 08/15/2012 11:36 PM

And you know this how? Based on your current understanding of gravity, I assume? Well, what if your understanding is wrong? For Chrissakes, why is it so hard for homo sapiens to admit that they don't know everything about everything?

Hey Astro, Look at that WALL! Look into that corner. What is in that corner? A corner? The mind is creating Pyramids, Cubes, rectangles,and various other sacred shapes out of thin air, and pure concentrated conscious thought, into that corner. Geometrical patterns expanding, and subtracting at dematerialized speeds the human eye can not measure with sight...? Does this corner's inverted geometrical diagram continue on opposite the dimension we see as solid? Into a dimension "they" see as transparent? What is really in that corner! The answer, Nothingnesssss

What is in "their" corner? The answer, Somethingnesssss

No my point is, based upon what data is this model confirming that this is how the actual orbit / perturbing of the planets orbits would occur.

It's much older than that, but whatever, your entire angle of attack is irrelevant. Orbital period is a direct function of the semi-major axis, I'm sorry but that's just a fact.

Not only is that ad hominem, but it's simply wrong. I never said that nor do I think it.

Scientists like me knew the world was round since eratosthenes not only determined that, but also measured its circumference using empirical observation. It was the uneducated idiots who continued to think it was flat.

Sorry, I know I'm right about this. You would be there yelling at Eratosthenes that he can't know the world is round. He did.

Last Edited by Astromut on 08/15/2012 11:28 PM

No sir, that was not your point at all, you sat there like an idiot thinking that WISE found a brown dwarf in the asteroid belt. You thought you "had me" with a screenshot of the website and the sentence you were misreading highlighted. Before that you were asking for confirmation that the model works, which I already supplied.

You claim that the moon is locked in Tidal lock. Can you show me the math and simulation as to where two objects identical to Earth and moon would evolve in such a way? I am geussing no. And I cannot prove the argument I am making is true, but as you said, with the rite math, it could be done. That is what I wanted to hear.

And If I'm not mistaken, I have read about people theorizing the idea of a continuous free return trajectory to utilize as a tractor beam type thing, shooting space rock around our earth and moon, in order to keep moon from flying away.

Argument on this subject ENDED!!!

LMFAO! You are such an idiot. I want to frame this quote from you on my wall. They did not claim to discover an ultra-cold star or brown dwarf in the main belt between mars and jupiter. They said they found 33,000 asteroids there, completely separate from the ultra-cold brown dwarf (which was light years away).

As far as I know, no such discoveries have been made. But isn't believing just because you are told just as foolish as believing what has not beentold?

That's a natural consequence of gravity between the moon and earth.
time to tidal lock ~ (w*a^6*I*Q)/(3G*mp^k2*R^5)
w = initial spin rate
a = semi-major axis of the satellite
I ~ 0.4*ms*R^2 moment of inertia of satellite
Q = dissipation function of satellite
G = gravitational constant
mp = mass of planet
ms = mass of satellite
k2 = tidal Love number of the satellite
R = radius of the satellite

Show me your free-return trajectory between the sun deep within the inner solar system and a brown dwarf in an elliptical orbit outside the inner solar system that is stable. Go on, show me.