Here is exactly how "Obamacare" will affect me and my family starting next year.....

I really don't think a lot of companies would do this. Hell, if they wanted to screw their employees over and offer no coverage there was nothing preventing them from doing that before.

I really don't think a lot of companies would do this. Hell, if they wanted to screw their employees over and offer no coverage there was nothing preventing them from doing that before.

I posted a long time ago this is what companies were going to do.

The fine for AT&T would have amounted to $2,000 per employee, costing the company a grand total of $600 million a year. Maintaining benefits, meanwhile, will cost the firm some $4.6 billion.


So they can save 4 billion a year and tell employees to get their own coverage.

Just what did government Think companies were going to do??

Always the unintended consequences.......

Those are not unintended consequences; that is exactly what Obama wants...

I don't think this site is Republican at all.

What I do think is that folks who want 'freebies' or the government to take care of their every whim tend to vote Democrat.

Those with conservative/libertarian ideals such as myself tend to vote Republican and have 'quasi-Republican' views.

In other words, as bad as the Republican bullshit is - the Democrat view is so much fucking worse. Forget the 1 percent, they're all fucktards anyway and we can debate that.....

Would you rather identify with the 52 percent, or the 47 percent? Huh?

I'll take the 52 percent any day, regardless of its' imperfections.

I currently have health insurance with my company. It's a pretty good plan as health insurance plans go, I have heard of worse for sure.

My cost right now is $370 per month to cover myself and my entire family (split over two checks at $185 per check). The company-paid part of our insurance cost the company $15,500 per year, per employee (somewhat less for individuals only but not by much).

I am friends with the HR person as XYZ Corp (not the real name obviously) and this person told me that the company is seriously considering taking the $2000 per employee tax hit for not offering coverage, thereby forcing all of us into the government plan. In their words - "Yeah, this would suck and the coverage would not be nearly as good, but the company would save over $10,000 per employee."

My company has 86 employees. That's $860,000 per year the company would save by forcing us into Obamacare.

Many of us employees have talked about this and even considered walking off the job to at least demand most of the savings back in the form of an increase in pay (since it costs the company XX dollars to employ each of us already) but with the economy as bad as it is, it's risky. Mind you most of us are highly skilled and qualified and the company would take a huge productivity hit if we walked - but then again, saving $860,000 per year - maybe they could absorb it.

I firmly believe that Obamacare, and the current economic situation, are playing hand-in-hand intentionally.

Why did the Dems/Liberals pass Obamacare? To serve their constituents and give them freebies.

Why did the Reps/Conservatives pass Obamacare? To save their fat cat constituents money and pad their wallets.

We can't win with this shit.

Oh well, at least it'll be fun in the "end of days" when all these people are standing in judgement and have to justify themselves. That'll be fun.

another fucking idiot you people act as if it was illegal to not have insurance coverage until obama care company's could say fuck you and give all of their employee's 0 coverage and there has never been a fine. I do not understand why you people are so stupid when I know this has been explained several times in this thread.

I really don't think a lot of companies would do this. Hell, if they wanted to screw their employees over and offer no coverage there was nothing preventing them from doing that before.

ya, sure, only white christians have to pay, right?

Don't make yourself ridiculous.

I agree. The best thing I ever did was dump my insurance 4 years ago. The monthly was 650.00 (self employed). I found myself going to more and more drs. I was diagnosed w/ a thyroid condition, chronic fatigue, hypertension, high cholesterol, border line diabetic, menopausal, allergies. I was on 8 different meds. I am a nurse and had been raised on the medical model. One day I opened my insurance bill and found it was going up again. At that point I thankfully had a moment of clarity. Big pharma based medicine would leave me dependent on more and more drugs, managing only the symptoms of of my increasing ailments. Physically I felt like shit. Depressed, fatigued, aches and pain, weight gain (esp belly),constantly hungry, tired. Up until age 47 I'd been relatively healthy. The 3 years of increasing Dr visits found me increasingly sick. I went to a naturopath and had a completely different experience. Within 5 months I was big pharma drug free. I feel great now.. lots of energy,pain free and healthy. I have done my own research into alternative medicine and rather then finding it a weak add on to main stream health care, I have found it just the opposite. There are so many effective, easy natural CURES out there! I have since gotten catastrophic insurance only (very cheap) ,in case I get into a horrible crash or fall off a building. The last thing I'd want today is a main stream doc to treat me for any disease or illness... I would refuse even if they paid me. If you insist on standard care, I suggest you try to find an osteopath in your plan and take them as your primary doc. 'Obama Care', what a fucking joke, but so is what we currently have. Don't be fooled. The whole main stream health care system is first and foremost about profit. Healthy is not the goal.

If you are on GLP and done enough research, well doctors aren't exactly your best friend and there's a cure for everything.... so why don't you opt out of any insurance and just be healthy? I haven't had health insurance for 2 years now and eating healthy and taking vitamins... doctors are worthless and just wanna take your money for dumb stuff that is curable without them going in and messing it up more for you becoming dependent on their worthless prescriptions that keep you staying sick with the band-aid method. WAKE THE FUCK UP YOU DON'T NEED THEM OR THEIR INSURANCE. just saying. its really upsetting to me.

Are you f?*cking serious? What's that shit?

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Forget politics, its no point. It will not change by election, only by collapsing on itself.

Doesnt help talking to vegetables. People will have to suffer. Ive tried to talk sense into people but they dont listen. Im tired of it, i just chat about this here basically and a couple of close friends that have a vague idea of what goes on, noone else, everything else i do is im trying hard to convince my family to bind interest on their debt for 10 years.
So protect your own economy and take care of yourself the best you can, let the sheep go to slaughter. they deserve it, flock mentality will be a bad survival strategy in the years to come and many will probably die because of it, but if they havent figured things out by now, they kind of get what they deserve.

Just make sure you can take care of yourself and your family and forget the rest of the population.

I currently have health insurance with my company. It's a pretty good plan as health insurance plans go, I have heard of worse for sure.

My cost right now is $370 per month to cover myself and my entire family (split over two checks at $185 per check). The company-paid part of our insurance cost the company $15,500 per year, per employee (somewhat less for individuals only but not by much).

I am friends with the HR person as XYZ Corp (not the real name obviously) and this person told me that the company is seriously considering taking the $2000 per employee tax hit for not offering coverage, thereby forcing all of us into the government plan. In their words - "Yeah, this would suck and the coverage would not be nearly as good, but the company would save over $10,000 per employee."

My company has 86 employees. That's $860,000 per year the company would save by forcing us into Obamacare.

Many of us employees have talked about this and even considered walking off the job to at least demand most of the savings back in the form of an increase in pay (since it costs the company XX dollars to employ each of us already) but with the economy as bad as it is, it's risky. Mind you most of us are highly skilled and qualified and the company would take a huge productivity hit if we walked - but then again, saving $860,000 per year - maybe they could absorb it.

I firmly believe that Obamacare, and the current economic situation, are playing hand-in-hand intentionally.

Why did the Dems/Liberals pass Obamacare? To serve their constituents and give them freebies.

Why did the Reps/Conservatives pass Obamacare? To save their fat cat constituents money and pad their wallets.

We can't win with this shit.

Oh well, at least it'll be fun in the "end of days" when all these people are standing in judgement and have to justify themselves. That'll be fun.

NO, all companies will end up doing this to save money. My company can't afford insurance and neither can I. But now I will have to pay almost $700 a year in penalty. I'm still paying off medical bills that incurred a couple of years ago. Yes I am paying them. Noone else. I made a payment plan with the hospital to pay my own bills, not default and make society pay them. Obamacare will suck the little bit I have to put away into my savings for a rainy day. I paid my bills and am being punished. Obama care will hurt me.I really dislike him.

TY what I said like 10 times already in this post and I know a few others have too is null and void and fucking stupid. Shows how pathetic GLP is on the Obama hate bandwagon.

You realize if Romney wins TRINITY makes more money because he is in the higher bracket for tax breaks aka he is rich and budget plans from Romney and Ryan will BENEFIT HIM. ? I think to many people are to fucking stupid to realize why this site is republican.

another fucking idiot you people act as if it was illegal to not have insurance coverage until obama care company's could say fuck you and give all of their employee's 0 coverage and there has never been a fine. I do not understand why you people are so stupid when I know this has been explained several times in this thread.

Yes, you can opt out of medicare bullshit. Romney and smart people do it already.

Just what did government Think companies were going to do??

Always the unintended consequences.......