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I HAD SOME KIND OF PROPHETIC DREAM ABOUT THE TWO WITNESSES!!? I WAS TOLD TO COME HERE AND POST, PLEASE READ!

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Wow.. To be built up then smashed down.


Naturaly.

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not quite naturally.
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Love now. Dont judge.
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you see, this is the only thing that is known for sure. yet the small amount of which is known about that FACT is what confuses and causes doubt.
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Which words are you refering to?
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The one where you quote me for one reason or another.

It doesn't make a difference.

You who continues to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil isn't really in a position to say to another "Few will pass, I'm sorry" And then talk about pride being someone's undoing.

You're blissfully unaware that you are in the exact same position as her, as are 99% of people on this planet.

You don't even know what you are supposed to be passing for starters. Takes abit more than littering the word love across a few sentences chap. What's that saying, Faith without works is dead.

Words that please only serve to make people feel better, and generally are words of selfishness and vanity, which draw the like minded to you. Like attracts like. That law will not be broken.

Life isn't about going some place it's about changing who and what you are. Being perfect like how your father is in heaven is the goal. The father is a Spirit, so obviously to be one with him you must use yours for once.

As it stands you're merely human being ruled by a soul. Dog's are merely dogs ruled by a soul also.



Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Yet people are sitting here waiting for the witnesses? for what exactly? To please you? Doing their father's will isn't pleasing you people seriously.

What labour, people haven't even tried to renew themselves, they expect the two witnesses to do it for them.


Romans 1:25
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Again most again are sitting here waiting for two men, the creature and like you the love from the creature..


Luke 6:22
Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

Matthew 5:11
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

When your words are heard and believed by many, it means you are the many and are cursed. No true person one with their Father is going to be accepted in the world. Jesus wasn't, the prophets weren't and nether will the witnesses. Why is it that people can't grasp this obvious and simple thing? That people who speak against the Earth and those that dwell within are not going to be liked.

Jeremiah 20:14
Cursed be the day wherein I was born: let not the day wherein my mother bare me be blessed.


Jezza had the right idea, he hated this existence, he understood that to be born in the flesh is a curse.

All this suffering around the world and all you can do is say all you need is love everybody. Pathetic. The majority of parents love their children, love obviously doesn't breed love.


What you need is the love of the Father if you want to be where he is. Otherwise love life and the love of humanity, and just be that.

Things won't change very much, quite like how things haven't changed outside of technology for 3000 years.

Click onto the fact that people were saying the same things 100, 1000, 3000 years ago and have got nowhere. To be blunt you ain't passing shit.
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Which words are you refering to?



The one where you quote me for one reason or another.

It doesn't make a difference.

You who continues to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil isn't really in a position to say to another "Few will pass, I'm sorry" And then talk about pride being someone's undoing.

You're blissfully unaware that you are in the exact same position as her, as are 99% of people on this planet.

You don't even know what you are supposed to be passing for starters. Takes abit more than littering the word love across a few sentences chap. What's that saying, Faith without works is dead.

Words that please only serve to make people feel better, and generally are words of selfishness and vanity, which draw the like minded to you. Like attracts like. That law will not be broken.

Life isn't about going some place it's about changing who and what you are. Being perfect like how your father is in heaven is the goal. The father is a Spirit, so obviously to be one with him you must use yours for once.

As it stands you're merely human being ruled by a soul. Dog's are merely dogs ruled by a soul also.



Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Yet people are sitting here waiting for the witnesses? for what exactly? To please you? Doing their father's will isn't pleasing you people seriously.

What labour, people haven't even tried to renew themselves, they expect the two witnesses to do it for them.


Romans 1:25
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Again most again are sitting here waiting for two men, the creature and like you the love from the creature..


Luke 6:22
Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

Matthew 5:11
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

When your words are heard and believed by many, it means you are the many and are cursed. No true person one with their Father is going to be accepted in the world. Jesus wasn't, the prophets weren't and nether will the witnesses. Why is it that people can't grasp this obvious and simple thing? That people who speak against the Earth and those that dwell within are not going to be liked.

Jeremiah 20:14
Cursed be the day wherein I was born: let not the day wherein my mother bare me be blessed.


Jezza had the right idea, he hated this existence, he understood that to be born in the flesh is a curse.

All this suffering around the world and all you can do is say all you need is love everybody. Pathetic. The majority of parents love their children, love obviously doesn't breed love.


What you need is the love of the Father if you want to be where he is. Otherwise love life and the love of humanity, and just be that.

Things won't change very much, quite like how things haven't changed outside of technology for 3000 years.

Click onto the fact that people were saying the same things 100, 1000, 3000 years ago and have got nowhere. To be blunt you ain't passing shit.
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Perhaps the main problem here is that i dont have knowledge of scripture to rebuke, confirm, converse or confront a christian.

That leaves me wiiiide open.

I guess you would have read the entire thread and followed my ID changes highlighted by my 'witness' counterpart? My 'signature'? You must have.

So you would know.

I'm not sure if your quotes are praising me or other.

I was fortunate to have 'passed' in 1997. Did I ascend?
You tell me.

The love I'm talking about is not something that comes easily. Its a lot of work, a lot of forgiveness and a lot of surrender.

I would certainly like to hear of your own experience in spirit with love. How you found God, How it happened.

Maybe you could explain what I AM means to you and how you realized this?

I dont want to fight with religion of any kind and I dont want to see any more blood spilt in Christs name.

If you can guarantee that all holy war will end in the next month. I will do all that i can as well.
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387617...

I just read your last post's.
They offered some clarity to your percpective.

Its all very real.

:)
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My question of why I had been shown these powerful visions. My question about who these Two Witnesses are, and why they are so important, and why I was chosen to come to this site and post about my dream.

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I have never before had any dreams like the one that inspired this thread. I have had a recurring dream recently though that is quite disturbing. I do not know what to make of it, nor do I feel comfortable sharing it at this time. Maybe soon.

-----
I am in the cloud tops, floating far above the Earth. There are these 7 containers, gold, very beautiful and ornate. God touches each one of them in order and they are sealed up. Then they drop through the clouds, one by one, as if the cloud no longer supports their weight.

Everytime I have this recurring dream I wake up screaming and I do not know why. It is very disturbing.
 Quoting: Rual G. 387919


Rual,

YHWH must have found something in you He deems worth to reveal some of His sacred things. Do not be frightened. YHWH is giving you clues to his personallity and He does this in this message and only those who receive dreams or assignements through dreams of Abba YHWH know.

You are save as long as you seek YHWH out and you seek Them who serve Him out. YHWH is going to start a work not equaled in history, not even in the Exodus out of Egypt. Many claim to be of those "Two" but not many will understand the message and will perish because they keep fast to their own prefferances, forgetting that the immeasurable love of Abba YHWH is warning them through his Messengers, or Prophets. The next time this dream occurs you have to wake up and immediately ask in the following manner:

Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth who goes by the name YAH, In the name of him who you have sent to us in your love and mercy, Yahoshua I would like to lay this before you in the hope you will hear me and answer me. Please Abba, I know that it pains you how mankind wandered away from you. I myself before did not call on you, but in the light of all that happened I like to converce with you through the Highpriest Yahoshua. Please receive this call and make me understand what I just saw in this dream, and when you deem it fit for me please guide me, guide my steps to you. Ameyn [sealing]

Ameyn, Again I would ask you to speak to YHWH through Yahoshua. The things happening to you are not to be taken down to the level this thread has become.

If a King took you appart from all the crowds and told you something, would you not automatically understand that this is confidential information since he did not share it with all the world?
Or when a King takes a very precious thing out of his chambers and lend it to you would you not automatically understand that will have to guard it?

In this case you are meant to pass it on, only a few who will adhere and understand that what is happening to you.

Do not take this, what I relayed to you, the wrong way. But my opinion in this respect is that you first ask YHWH [likenth to the plea I written above] ask him to explain rather than to go out into this world where the wisdom to give you insight is tainted and gone.

Shalom and may YHWH guide you and lead you to his house.
3 lies will be tried 1 truth will prevail.
The truth is simple, honest and easy to understand.
This truth is as a rock, it never yields!
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hope you havent gone to sleep yet 373342


I haven't.There is something I want you all to know. In 2000, I published a book online. It is print on demand, available thru any online store, The Stone of Israel and the Two Witnesses...is the title. I am not telling you this to try and sell anything, I have made no money. But, it is everywhere available in every country via internet.


Thankyou M. How do I read this?


go to google, yahoo any site and type in the title "The Stone of Israel and the Two Witnesses," SEE WHAT COMES UP



I see your passion now yet havent read your thoughts.

Why did you think I was the other witness?
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Something in the way you wrote
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If anybody is interested, look up the final prophet by Bobby Rich. It summarizes CHARACTERISTICS OF ONE OF THE LAST OROPHETS WITH ALMOST 100% accuracy.
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Because you speak the words of man and not of the Father. That is why.

That should be obvious.

*sigh* it never ends does it?



It remains the game it has always been until the end.
At the time of the miracle that no being can deny it will be too late to make a change of heart.

Love now. Dont judge.

see what im saying? it never ends. one post has insightful wisdom, the next has the same wisdom yet contradicts the preceding post.

lame game to be playing at the moment. dont know what to say about the future
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I tjink 092 thinks he is speaking with me at the post just before you posted this., NOT!
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My question of why I had been shown these powerful visions. My question about who these Two Witnesses are, and why they are so important, and why I was chosen to come to this site and post about my dream.

----
I have never before had any dreams like the one that inspired this thread. I have had a recurring dream recently though that is quite disturbing. I do not know what to make of it, nor do I feel comfortable sharing it at this time. Maybe soon.

-----
I am in the cloud tops, floating far above the Earth. There are these 7 containers, gold, very beautiful and ornate. God touches each one of them in order and they are sealed up. Then they drop through the clouds, one by one, as if the cloud no longer supports their weight.

Everytime I have this recurring dream I wake up screaming and I do not know why. It is very disturbing.
 Quoting: Rual G. 387919



Rual,

YHWH must have found something in you He deems worth to reveal some of His sacred things. Do not be frightened. YHWH is giving you clues to his personallity and He does this in this message and only those who receive dreams or assignements through dreams of Abba YHWH know.

You are save as long as you seek YHWH out and you seek Them who serve Him out. YHWH is going to start a work not equaled in history, not even in the Exodus out of Egypt. Many claim to be of those "Two" but not many will understand the message and will perish because they keep fast to their own prefferances, forgetting that the immeasurable love of Abba YHWH is warning them through his Messengers, or Prophets. The next time this dream occurs you have to wake up and immediately ask in the following manner:

Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth who goes by the name YAH, In the name of him who you have sent to us in your love and mercy, Yahoshua I would like to lay this before you in the hope you will hear me and answer me. Please Abba, I know that it pains you how mankind wandered away from you. I myself before did not call on you, but in the light of all that happened I like to converce with you through the Highpriest Yahoshua. Please receive this call and make me understand what I just saw in this dream, and when you deem it fit for me please guide me, guide my steps to you. Ameyn [sealing]

Ameyn, Again I would ask you to speak to YHWH through Yahoshua. The things happening to you are not to be taken down to the level this thread has become.

If a King took you appart from all the crowds and told you something, would you not automatically understand that this is confidential information since he did not share it with all the world?
Or when a King takes a very precious thing out of his chambers and lend it to you would you not automatically understand that will have to guard it?

In this case you are meant to pass it on, only a few who will adhere and understand that what is happening to you.

Do not take this, what I relayed to you, the wrong way. But my opinion in this respect is that you first ask YHWH [likenth to the plea I written above] ask him to explain rather than to go out into this world where the wisdom to give you insight is tainted and gone.

Shalom and may YHWH guide you and lead you to his house.
3 lies will be tried 1 truth will prevail.
The truth is simple, honest and easy to understand.
This truth is as a rock, it never yields!
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If anybody is interested, look up the final prophet by Bobby Rich. It summarizes CHARACTERISTICS OF ONE OF THE LAST OROPHETS WITH ALMOST 100% accuracy.
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"OROPHETS"???? 100% accuracy
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If anybody is interested, look up the final prophet by Bobby Rich. It summarizes CHARACTERISTICS OF ONE OF THE LAST OROPHETS WITH ALMOST 100% accuracy.


"OROPHETS"???? 100% accuracy
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sorry prophets...just woke up
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My question of why I had been shown these powerful visions. My question about who these Two Witnesses are, and why they are so important, and why I was chosen to come to this site and post about my dream.

----
I have never before had any dreams like the one that inspired this thread. I have had a recurring dream recently though that is quite disturbing. I do not know what to make of it, nor do I feel comfortable sharing it at this time. Maybe soon.

-----
I am in the cloud tops, floating far above the Earth. There are these 7 containers, gold, very beautiful and ornate. God touches each one of them in order and they are sealed up. Then they drop through the clouds, one by one, as if the cloud no longer supports their weight.

Everytime I have this recurring dream I wake up screaming and I do not know why. It is very disturbing.



Rual,

YHWH must have found something in you He deems worth to reveal some of His sacred things. Do not be frightened. YHWH is giving you clues to his personallity and He does this in this message and only those who receive dreams or assignements through dreams of Abba YHWH know.

You are save as long as you seek YHWH out and you seek Them who serve Him out. YHWH is going to start a work not equaled in history, not even in the Exodus out of Egypt. Many claim to be of those "Two" but not many will understand the message and will perish because they keep fast to their own prefferances, forgetting that the immeasurable love of Abba YHWH is warning them through his Messengers, or Prophets. The next time this dream occurs you have to wake up and immediately ask in the following manner:

Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth who goes by the name YAH, In the name of him who you have sent to us in your love and mercy, Yahoshua I would like to lay this before you in the hope you will hear me and answer me. Please Abba, I know that it pains you how mankind wandered away from you. I myself before did not call on you, but in the light of all that happened I like to converce with you through the Highpriest Yahoshua. Please receive this call and make me understand what I just saw in this dream, and when you deem it fit for me please guide me, guide my steps to you. Ameyn [sealing]

Ameyn, Again I would ask you to speak to YHWH through Yahoshua. The things happening to you are not to be taken down to the level this thread has become.

If a King took you appart from all the crowds and told you something, would you not automatically understand that this is confidential information since he did not share it with all the world?
Or when a King takes a very precious thing out of his chambers and lend it to you would you not automatically understand that will have to guard it?

In this case you are meant to pass it on, only a few who will adhere and understand that what is happening to you.

Do not take this, what I relayed to you, the wrong way. But my opinion in this respect is that you first ask YHWH [likenth to the plea I written above] ask him to explain rather than to go out into this world where the wisdom to give you insight is tainted and gone.

Shalom and may YHWH guide you and lead you to his house.
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Your faith is admirable but I don't think Abba will ever return. They've had millions of dollars thrown at them to come back yet still can't overcome their personal differences.
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Nobody is righteous...not one. What is going on in this world today is making it difficult if not impossible for some of us who seek righteousness to live it properly. So, none of us has the right to judge his brother... not one of us. My point... that is one of the reasons the two witnesses come. They come to bring law and order to a sick and dying world. And... at this point not one of us is beyond hope. GOD is merciful and there will be one last shot at salvation.
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Nobody is righteous...not one. What is going on in this world today is making it difficult if not impossible for some of us who seek righteousness to live it properly. So, none of us has the right to judge his brother... not one of us. My point... that is one of the reasons the two witnesses come. They come to bring law and order to a sick and dying world. And... at this point not one of us is beyond hope. GOD is merciful and there will be one last shot at salvation.
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Judging - determining who will be going to "hell" and who won't be.

This is completely different from forming a personal opinion on what one believes to be "desirable" human behaviour and "undesirable" which is fundamental to the principle of free will.

Jews, Pharisees, dictators, royalty, "holy men", masons, popes, imams, and gurus have always had a problem with free will amongst non-Jews (see proponents ie Jesus). Free will puts them out of a job, you see.
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Wow.. To be built up then smashed down.
Any wonder why no one reveals who they are?

Rual.. You are not likely to have your witnesses expose themselves here unless your discernment is pure.

For others.. I 'can' say this. The amount of love and surrender that is required to ascend with the Earths rapture is far more than most comprehend.

Those that are ready know that they are.

The witnesses are a causal effect of creation and are innocent. They move with the flow of creation and react against all that is not creation.
They do not need to know who or what they are. They simply are. Naturaly.

God bless and God speed.

:)
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THE WITNESS IS ONE PERSON!!!!! I CAN PROOVE IT
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Perhaps the main problem here is that i dont have knowledge of scripture to rebuke, confirm, converse or confront a christian.

That leaves me wiiiide open.

I guess you would have read the entire thread and followed my ID changes highlighted by my 'witness' counterpart? My 'signature'? You must have.

So you would know.

I'm not sure if your quotes are praising me or other.

I was fortunate to have 'passed' in 1997. Did I ascend?
You tell me.

The love I'm talking about is not something that comes easily. Its a lot of work, a lot of forgiveness and a lot of surrender.

I would certainly like to hear of your own experience in spirit with love. How you found God, How it happened.

Maybe you could explain what I AM means to you and how you realized this?

I dont want to fight with religion of any kind and I dont want to see any more blood spilt in Christs name.

If you can guarantee that all holy war will end in the next month. I will do all that i can as well.
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I'm not a Christian, nether were the people who wrote the bible for that matter. If you assume everybody that has knowledge of the Biblical texts is a Christian then you're a bigger fool than I originally thought. My whole family,and my best friends are Christian I don't even bother with them.

People's words have a unique vibration like everything else in the universe. It doesn't matter what your ID is, I can tell who's writing what, and what they are feeling at the time, pretty much in the same way I can recognise a piece of music. Most people would be able to do that too if they didn't have so much internal noise going off. I know a girl who can see auras around the words of people on the net, she's better than me at that sort of thing.

No you haven't ascended, you're abit more emotionally balanced than most, but also it's partly an act, most human behaviour is. You shouldn't care so much on how you are perceived.. Besides, you're still here aren't you?

Forgiveness? What the point of forgiving people who haven't changed?, secondly you have to be offended or hurt first to forgive people in the first place, so understanding is better, then you'd never get offended or hurt at all. You won't need to forgive, which ultimately is one of those selfish feelings to make you feel better, it's not about the other person at all. If you truely understood you give the people you claim to forgive understanding. How can you when you have none?

Christ? You hate Christianity then you go and call Jesus Christ?

Nothing is Holy down here, nothing. As for War, well, there will always be war down here.

I AM. what it means to me? New age bollocks, that is what. Serves little to no purpose. A meme like thing that should of died off along time ago.

My experience with the Spirit.....I am one, I just happen to be in the flesh right now.


One of the witnesses helped me find God.

You however have surrendered to your feelings, your God. A few bad experiences here or there will chnage that sooner or later.
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ow what to say about the future


I tjink 092 thinks he is speaking with me at the post just before you posted this., NOT!
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Why would I waste time talking to someone with all the characteristics of a unstable stalker.
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Wow.. To be built up then smashed down.
Any wonder why no one reveals who they are?

Rual.. You are not likely to have your witnesses expose themselves here unless your discernment is pure.

For others.. I 'can' say this. The amount of love and surrender that is required to ascend with the Earths rapture is far more than most comprehend.

Those that are ready know that they are.

The witnesses are a causal effect of creation and are innocent. They move with the flow of creation and react against all that is not creation.
They do not need to know who or what they are. They simply are. Naturaly.

God bless and God speed.

:)
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OH THIS PERSON KNOWS YOU HAVE TO KNOW !!!!!LMAO BELIEVE ME THEY KNOW
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Nobody is righteous...not one. What is going on in this world today is making it difficult if not impossible for some of us who seek righteousness to live it properly. So, none of us has the right to judge his brother... not one of us. My point... that is one of the reasons the two witnesses come. They come to bring law and order to a sick and dying world. And... at this point not one of us is beyond hope. GOD is merciful and there will be one last shot at salvation.


Judging - determining who will be going to "hell" and who won't be.

This is completely different from forming a personal opinion on what one believes to be "desirable" human behaviour and "undesirable" which is fundamental to the principle of free will.

Jews, Pharisees, dictators, royalty, "holy men", masons, popes, imams, and gurus have always had a problem with free will amongst non-Jews (see proponents ie Jesus). Free will puts them out of a job, you see.
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Only GOD will judge.
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Strange assumption. If witnesses came to testify to that which was already expected of them, what would be the point of their witness? Prophets are always rejected by the ones who expect them, because they do not deliver what is expected of them.

The purpose of the witnesses is to reveal the nature of God, which has been distorted and compromised by those who manipulate this reality to their own ends.


Yes, it is a strange assumption, and certainly NOT mine. What "message" is to be imparted by the presence of the two witnesses, in your opinion?


I guess this question was originally intended for me, since you referenced my previous post. Sorry I forgot to use a handle. IMO, the message is to reveal the nature of God as Root, Provider, Sustainer, Source - the model on which we should base our own interaction with those with whom we share existence. The more powerful helping the less powerful, the knowledgeable offering understanding to the ignorant, the wealthy distributing wealth to those without. This is the nature of God as revealed to humanity through the first witness. This nature has not changed.

In contrast is the false notion of God (or the reality of a false God) as ruler, jury-judge-executioner, one who expects perfection and punishes all that fall short. A bi-polar God who is loving on the one hand, wrathful on the other. Who has eternity, but shows no patience for those whose lifespan measures no more than a breath of that God.

This is, and has been, the message. And a call to responsibility and empowerment as children of this Divine Root, to reveal God's kingdom on this material, dualistic plane.
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No takers?
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03/08/2008 11:54 AM
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Strange assumption. If witnesses came to testify to that which was already expected of them, what would be the point of their witness? Prophets are always rejected by the ones who expect them, because they do not deliver what is expected of them.

The purpose of the witnesses is to reveal the nature of God, which has been distorted and compromised by those who manipulate this reality to their own ends.


Yes, it is a strange assumption, and certainly NOT mine. What "message" is to be imparted by the presence of the two witnesses, in your opinion?


I guess this question was originally intended for me, since you referenced my previous post. Sorry I forgot to use a handle. IMO, the message is to reveal the nature of God as Root, Provider, Sustainer, Source - the model on which we should base our own interaction with those with whom we share existence. The more powerful helping the less powerful, the knowledgeable offering understanding to the ignorant, the wealthy distributing wealth to those without. This is the nature of God as revealed to humanity through the first witness. This nature has not changed.

In contrast is the false notion of God (or the reality of a false God) as ruler, jury-judge-executioner, one who expects perfection and punishes all that fall short. A bi-polar God who is loving on the one hand, wrathful on the other. Who has eternity, but shows no patience for those whose lifespan measures no more than a breath of that God.

This is, and has been, the message. And a call to responsibility and empowerment as children of this Divine Root, to reveal God's kingdom on this material, dualistic plane.


No takers?
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What on the question or the answer in this post?
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No takers?

What on the question or the answer in this post?
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On the discussion itself ... whatever.
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No takers?

What on the question or the answer in this post?


On the discussion itself ... whatever.
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It's a good question. ?If witnesses are needed you're not going guess or understand much of what they tell you. It does say in the Bible that they will be reviled afterall.
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No takers?

What on the question or the answer in this post?


On the discussion itself ... whatever.



It's a good question. ?If witnesses are needed you're not going guess or understand much of what they tell you. It does say in the Bible that they will be reviled afterall.
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Maybe, maybe not. Zechariah implies they will bring peace and light which will manifest itself in this reality. The Apocalypse of JOhn implies otherwise, yet veiled in its violent message (literal interpretation) is a hopeful one.
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ow what to say about the future


I tjink 092 thinks he is speaking with me at the post just before you posted this., NOT!



Why would I waste time talking to someone with all the characteristics of a unstable stalker.
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You are not 092
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ow what to say about the future


I tjink 092 thinks he is speaking with me at the post just before you posted this., NOT!



Why would I waste time talking to someone with all the characteristics of a unstable stalker.
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This whole site is utter nonsense and Rual's dream is just an illusion he created..It has served no constructive purpose. Bicker. bicker .bicker... that's all anyone on here is doing.
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What is the message of the two witnesses?
It is about something you know nothing about.
It is about the seven thunders.
It is about the seven vials.
It is about what was revealed to Moses in the burning bush.
It is about what was revealed to Daniel.
It is about what was revealed to John.
It is about what was revealed to Ezekiel.
It is about the only sign that the generation of jesus day would receive.
It is about the only sign that THIS generation will receive.
It is about what science is spending untold billions to conquer.
It is about what ALL of you want to know to determine YOUR response.

IT IS ABOUT TIME.
All kinds of time.
The creation of it.
The end of it.
Signs of it.
Prolonging it.
Where YOU stand in it.
When time will be no more.
When the HOUR is.
When the DAY is.
When the SEASON is.
Attempts by many to proclaim it.
Attempts by many to fulfill it.
Attempts by many to be GUARDIAN of it.
Attempts by many to be witnesses of it.

In the final analysis, it is about the great I AM.
It is about His Kingdom.
It is about Heaven.
It is about the mysteries of time.
It is about forever.
It is about NOW.
It is about the PROMISES of time.
It is about the PUNISHMENTS of time.
It is about stating that it is THE TIME.
It is the warnings of the angels of Revelation.
Warning of the HOUR of God's Judgement.
Telling us of the approach small black cloud.
Telling us of the silence in Heaven of the space of a half hour.
Telling us that ALL of Heaven will be poured out and contained in that small black cloud.
The pouring out of the seven vials in timely procession.
The sounding of the Seven Thunders (proclamations) showing the very nature of time.
And, finally, the setting up of the Kindom of NO TIME.
Endless eternities.
Endless joy.
Endless fellowship with the God who CREATED time.

This is the message of the Two Witnesses.
Don't you think it's........about time?
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With that excellent summary, I will make my final exit...as I am satisfied!!!
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This whole site is utter nonsense and Rual's dream is just an illusion he created..It has served no constructive purpose. Bicker. bicker .bicker... that's all anyone on here is doing.
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ruals post shed a lot of light on the topic, though.





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