The World is only 7000 years old

I do not care whether the sun and universe is aged based on the earth. My argument is based on the speed of light (c). If we can prove that a star is x distance away from us, then the light takes: x/c = time. This gives us the time which has been found to be millions of years. If we can see these stars, then surely millions and billions of years have passed for us to see them? Logically, the earth would be roughly the same age as other planets which have been discovered too?


If that is all you have and you hang all your world views on it, while all else shows a young universe/earth then you are grasping at straws. If everything else agrees with the Bible (and it does) then the stars were stretched out as the Bible says:

He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heaven by his understanding. Jer.51:15

This could have happened at creation. Just like we can't see creation we can't see the stars stretch out, neither can you show a big bang. Yet it is possible the Creator stretched them out and with that the light.

All else shows young earth and universe, canceling out your starlight theory. The redshift doppler shows they are all moving away from earth meaning they started here, meaning the light is constant but the stars travel is not.
[link to www.answersingenesis.org]

I do not care whether the sun and universe is aged based on the earth. My argument is based on the speed of light (c). If we can prove that a star is x distance away from us, then the light takes: x/c = time. This gives us the time which has been found to be millions of years. If we can see these stars, then surely millions and billions of years have passed for us to see them? Logically, the earth would be roughly the same age as other planets which have been discovered too?


If that is all you have and you hang all your world views on it, while all else shows a young universe/earth then you are grasping at straws. If everything else agrees with the Bible (and it does) then the stars were stretched out as the Bible says:

He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heaven by his understanding. Jer.51:15

This could have happened at creation. Just like we can't see creation we can't see the stars stretch out, neither can you show a big bang. Yet it is possible the Creator stretched them out and with that the light.

All else shows young earth and universe, canceling out your starlight theory. The redshift doppler shows they are all moving away from earth meaning they started here, meaning the light is constant but the stars travel is not.
[link to www.answersingenesis.org]


I dont hang all my hopes on this speed of light theory. I dont agree with you that 'All else shows young earth and universe' because Shevar's posts seem to contradict it significantly.

Yes, you can just say - The creator did it and thats it, he can do anything. (even pass light-speed? or 'strech light' as you call it)

There is no argument for that 'but the creator did it' aproach.

I just have what I see in front of me, and I see a very old place, with geological landscapes which look like they took a long time to become where they are.

I see the stars which are at different ages, some red dwarfs, some supernova, some like our Sun.

I see science finding results which show ages of about 4billion years.

I see fossils in the ground.

I see evolutionary traits in animals in plants which seem to compliment 'survival of the fittest' theories.

I see a book, written by people and compiled selectively by other people a few years later.

I beleive what seems to be the most prominent.....

if it's only 7000 years old then pigs can fly, and humans can breathe in space.

Sure, the earth is billions of years old, and soon, 12 foot tall aliens will be landing on earth, to tell you they are extraterrestrials.
Whatever it takes to prove there is no God.
If one is blind, then they cannot see. Words do not create light for the blind, only the Spirit can do that.
If one is adamantly against the truth, no amount of light will illuminate them.
In an absolute, there is no way one can prove the age of the earth, one way or another. I can't prove it is 6983 years old, but I can't prove without an absolute doubt, that the earth is 20 billion years old either. It is what somebody takes faith in.
It is simply a choice of the mind.
When you die, you will go where you choose to follow.



So what you're saying is: Nothing can be absolutely proven.



According to some of the oldest writings known to men, there were people who thought just as you pretend to.

The earth split open, water gushed out and all of them were killed horribly.

There's a lesson there for you personally.

You might think you're convinciing, but from my vantage point you're losing ground with each passing moment.

You might think you're convinciing, but from my vantage point you're losing ground with each passing moment.



'Vantage Point' hmmm, where is that then? In never-never land?

Sure, the earth is billions of years old, and soon, 12 foot tall aliens will be landing on earth, to tell you they are extraterrestrials.
Whatever it takes to prove there is no God.
If one is blind, then they cannot see. Words do not create light for the blind, only the Spirit can do that.
If one is adamantly against the truth, no amount of light will illuminate them.
In an absolute, there is no way one can prove the age of the earth, one way or another. I can't prove it is 6983 years old, but I can't prove without an absolute doubt, that the earth is 20 billion years old either. It is what somebody takes faith in.
It is simply a choice of the mind.
When you die, you will go where you choose to follow.



So what you're saying is: Nothing can be absolutely proven.



According to some of the oldest writings known to men, there were people who thought just as you pretend to.

The earth split open, water gushed out and all of them were killed horribly.

There's a lesson there for you personally.


If this is meant to scare me, I can assure you it didn't work. I believe the flood happened, but not on such a grand scale, plus the Ark is nonsense (unless they kept DNA somehow with lost ancient knowledge). I believe it happened and I believe it killed a lot of people. But innocent people died too, believers died too.

When was the last time you heard of unexplainable things happening to 'bad' people? Probably this flood was the last time.

In my experience, it seems the 'bad' people dont get any worse treatment throughout their life than the devote belivers who do everything 'right'

I want to do what is best for the Species of Humans that are my family. I want to be a moral person who cares for others, but I don't need a reward like eternal life to be good. I think it is the end when my brain dies. But I am not sad, I am happy becasue I saw this life and was conscious of myself. I was and I am.

"Carbon dating is a human creation and therefore flawed"

And the bible was written by humans ....

You might think you're convinciing, but from my vantage point you're losing ground with each passing moment.



'Vantage Point' hmmm, where is that then? In never-never land?

You are the one under strong delusion

There is no argument for that 'but the creator did it' aproach.

I just have what I see in front of me, and I see a very old place, with geological landscapes which look like they took a long time to become where they are.

but they didn't. There is evidence already presented of a global cataclysmic flood that caused the damage
(No, this does not prove that the flood did it)

I see the stars which are at different ages, some red dwarfs, some supernova, some like our Sun.

All dated by the age of tghe earth
No, dated by other methods too. Distance, speed of light, size, movement.

I see science finding results which show ages of about 4billion years.

proof? haven't seen it. The textbook says so. National Geographic says so. the Jesuits says so.
But the results are the same anyway whoever says it!

I see fossils in the ground.

Could on;ly happen in a flood
Fossils? I dont understand. So there were dinosaurs walking around before the flood? why didnt Noah save them?

I see evolutionary traits in animals in plants which seem to compliment 'survival of the fittest' theories.

there are none, just fantasy religion that springs from paganism. Were there evoloution how did bees and plants arrive at seperate time periods?
Fantasy religion? look at your own religion first before classing others as fantasy. Plus, there are lots of examples, look at the Galapagos islands for starters.

Natural selection preserves a strong genome, it in no way causes evolution.
Evolution happens over a very long time, trying to monitor it in our time-scales is fruitless.

I see a book, written by people and compiled selectively by other people a few years later.

You don't even know what you are talking about. The scriptures existed before the RCC. The early first century patriarchs letters prove that as well as the dead sea scrolls.
I understand the basic fact that the Gospels were written by men. Then they were selected by men to be part of the Bible, bits were left out, some were classed as heresy and what remains is classed as the word of God. Also, this 'word of God' has been allowed to be changed over time and revised, compacted etc. Ever heard of Chinese whispers?

I beleive what seems to be the most prominent.....

Ths majority are always wrong. There is no voting on science, we need evidence to determine science.
i dont understand this.

Clearly another debate that is the product of public education.

I just enjoy how they use computers which operate on the principals that have established an earth that is billions of years old.

lol too funny, but please you flat worlders really make my day!

I'm sometimes stunned how people can think the world/universe is only 7000 years old....

The scientific proof is everywhere. Fossils? Geology? Carbon Dating?

Just looking through a telescope proves that the whole universe is billions of years old. Light takes millions of years to reach us from most stars. If the universe is 7000 years old, How can we see the stars?

Clearly another debate that is the product of public education.

I just enjoy how they use computers which operate on the principals that have established an earth that is billions of years old.

lol too funny, but please you flat worlders really make my day!

The thing striking me as most alarming in all of this is your incessant propensity to lie. Don't you possess a conscience?

It is when I consider the reality that individuals like you are at large, that they educate children, that they create broadcast material... any doubts about the validity of reports about a great Satan vanish.

Suck my dick, OP.

Two floods described in the bible.

The first after the Earth became formless and void, destroyed after the previous kingdoms of the s.a.tan.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Go to the Hebrew and find out the more sure meaning but only for those who want to know and can have the fortitude to be open to better understanding from above. It won't make any difference if you know everything perfectly or not but is a blessing for those who can better understand what the creator of all things has done to put the s.a.tan in his place. Now the choice is open to follow after good or evil and soon the choosing will be over.

If you already know everything, you have what satisfies you.

[link to yourarmstoisrael.org]

Sure, the earth is billions of years old, and soon, 12 foot tall aliens will be landing on earth, to tell you they are extraterrestrials.
Whatever it takes to prove there is no God.
If one is blind, then they cannot see. Words do not create light for the blind, only the Spirit can do that.
If one is adamantly against the truth, no amount of light will illuminate them.
In an absolute, there is no way one can prove the age of the earth, one way or another. I can't prove it is 6983 years old, but I can't prove without an absolute doubt, that the earth is 20 billion years old either. It is what somebody takes faith in.
It is simply a choice of the mind.
When you die, you will go where you choose to follow.



So what you're saying is: Nothing can be absolutely proven.



According to some of the oldest writings known to men, there were people who thought just as you pretend to.

The earth split open, water gushed out and all of them were killed horribly.

There's a lesson there for you personally.


If this is meant to scare me, I can assure you it didn't work. I believe the flood happened, but not on such a grand scale, plus the Ark is nonsense (unless they kept DNA somehow with lost ancient knowledge). I believe it happened and I believe it killed a lot of people. But innocent people died too, believers died too.

When was the last time you heard of unexplainable things happening to 'bad' people? Probably this flood was the last time.

In my experience, it seems the 'bad' people dont get any worse treatment throughout their life than the devote belivers who do everything 'right'

I want to do what is best for the Species of Humans that are my family. I want to be a moral person who cares for others, but I don't need a reward like eternal life to be good. I think it is the end when my brain dies. But I am not sad, I am happy becasue I saw this life and was conscious of myself. I was and I am.


I doubt you'll feel the same way when you're about to die.
The one thing they don't tell you and the one thing always forgotten is that regardless of whether or not you'll be back... death is the most awful thing one can ever experience.

You say my comments do not scare you. That's fine. Similar comments did not scare people in Noah's time, but you can rest assured that when they heard the Earth's crust ripping, when it all wouldn't stop, and when they saw the sky end -- in a matter of moments -- they experienced the kind of fear not often repeated.

It's a kind of fear so potent -- it is risidual. It survives without the memory of death because death itself is not retained in the ethereal engram.

If I were you I would pray that my aloof and irreverent denials, my determined and deliberate opposition, my wicked suppression of truth -- does not result in a very sudden and very present reminder of a past trauma, because there aren't many effective ways to describe what I mean.

Global Flood?
That would be about 5x the amount of ocean than now, which leads to 5x the amount in the atmosphere, you would drown when you inhaled.
Where did all that water go?

I have not come across evidence of Global flood at the same time on the planet, global flooding took place, but not all at the same time.

Im still looking into this.....I will post some vids and info I came across awhile back but have misplaced them.
Peace......:)

Two floods described in the bible.

The first after the Earth became formless and void, destroyed after the previous kingdoms of the s.a.tan.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Go to the Hebrew and find out the more sure meaning but only for those who want to know and can have the fortitude to be open to better understanding from above. It won't make any difference if you know everything perfectly or not but is a blessing for those who can better understand what the creator of all things has done to put the s.a.tan in his place. Now the choice is open to follow after good or evil and soon the choosing will be over.

If you already know everything, you have what satisfies you.

[link to yourarmstoisrael.org]


So genesis doesn't depict the creation of this reality but instead depict the resurection of human mankind?

Also Lucifer wasn't around prior to adam and eve eating the apple.

The striking me as most alarming in all of this is your incessant propensity to lie. Don't you possess a concscience?

It is when I consider the reality that individuas like you are at large, that they educate children, that they create broadcast material... any doubts about the validity of reorts about a great Satan vanish.

Sure, the earth is billions of years old, and soon, 12 foot tall aliens will be landing on earth, to tell you they are extraterrestrials.
Whatever it takes to prove there is no God.
If one is blind, then they cannot see. Words do not create light for the blind, only the Spirit can do that.
If one is adamantly against the truth, no amount of light will illuminate them.
In an absolute, there is no way one can prove the age of the earth, one way or another. I can't prove it is 6983 years old, but I can't prove without an absolute doubt, that the earth is 20 billion years old either. It is what somebody takes faith in.
It is simply a choice of the mind.
When you die, you will go where you choose to follow.



So what you're saying is: Nothing can be absolutely proven.



According to some of the oldest writings known to men, there were people who thought just as you pretend to.

The earth split open, water gushed out and all of them were killed horribly.

There's a lesson there for you personally.


If this is meant to scare me, I can assure you it didn't work. I believe the flood happened, but not on such a grand scale, plus the Ark is nonsense (unless they kept DNA somehow with lost ancient knowledge). I believe it happened and I believe it killed a lot of people. But innocent people died too, believers died too.

When was the last time you heard of unexplainable things happening to 'bad' people? Probably this flood was the last time.

In my experience, it seems the 'bad' people dont get any worse treatment throughout their life than the devote belivers who do everything 'right'

I want to do what is best for the Species of Humans that are my family. I want to be a moral person who cares for others, but I don't need a reward like eternal life to be good. I think it is the end when my brain dies. But I am not sad, I am happy becasue I saw this life and was conscious of myself. I was and I am.


I doubt you'll feel the same way when you're about to die.
The one thing they don't tell you and the one thing always forgotten is that regardless of whether or not you'll be back... death is the most awful thing one can ever experience.

You say my comments do not scare you. That's fine. Similar comments did not scare people in Noah's time, but you can rest assured that when they heard the Earth's crust ripping, when it all wouldn't stop, and when they saw the sky end -- in a matter of moments -- they experienced the kind of fear not often repeated.

It's a kind of fear so potent -- it is risidual. It survives without the memory of death because death itself is not retained in the ethereal engram.

If I were you I would pray that my aloof and irreverent denials, my determined and deliberate opposition, my wicked suppression of truth -- does not result in a very sudden and very present reminder of a past trauma, because there aren't many effective ways to describe what I mean.


Please do not tell me how I will feel before I die. I think I would be inhuman if I did not feel human emotions. Yes I feel fear of dying, but no fear of Hell, or excitement of Heaven. I accept that it is the end when I die, for all things.

If you can call me all those things, Wicked, aloof and opposed then what are you? Yes I am standing by my beliefs, I am looking at the facts laid out before me and I am choosing the most acceptable to me. I am trying to explain how my thinking works to you all. And I think I am right.