Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

You're used to things taking a while to 'manifest'.

I would even say that you want things to take a while. It's normal when that's all you know.

We even carry this over to the dream world. Things manifest in a few seconds in dream-time when they don't need to.

It's comfortable, I suppose.

Just be open to experience. Eventually you'll learn to go with the flow.

Something similar to the architect in the Matrix [link to thepopulist.net]

Wow! What was it like to interact with them then?

Aha! So, because of this I'm probably interfering with my Genius.

I wonder if my Genius for awareness the subconscious is not real would nudge this out of being a value in my perspective? That would be nice.

No comment on that one =)

Yes and no.

No because you are your Genius.

Yes because there's a shorter path to your destination.

Interaction is consciousness. Interacting with your symbol is how you bring your desire into your reality.

The reason I believe Logic is best kept simple and extrodinarily random is that it helps your genius align to the reality you are trying to create.

All assumptions about time disobey ecsys prime, which states all happens with the least amount of energy.

So my thoughts on how to have successful genius:

A. Create space, possibility, and a strong random Logic tied to some interaction based on your own actions.

B. Interact with symbol as defined by your logic and let symbol interact with other things by its mere existence (need not spend time thinking about the other interactions)

C. Because our perspective changes once we reach a new perspective, it is best to redefine your map by adjusting your symbol because it should have new value to you now.

D. "Seeing the next step when cast before you by your genius" must conform to ecsys prime, so must be what is easiest and uses the least energy. So perhaps coincidences are involved, and we need only create a map, notice a coincidence, and then create a new map once we have changed perspective by moving one step along the path.

if it is so easy why is it a "trick"?

Chaol your thoughts please.

I just busted up laughing, alone in my home, when some thoughts connected into understanding.

I've been reading along and just want to say thanks to every one involved in this thread -- and lurking, too ;)

It's so funny and strange and awesome!

:D

I just busted up laughing, alone in my home, when some thoughts connected into understanding.

I've been reading along and just want to say thanks to every one involved in this thread -- and lurking, too ;)

It's so funny and strange and awesome!

:D

Perhaps not much difference between one kind of representation and an other kind.



Yep. That'd be a fairly accurate analogy.



Yep.



Yes! You got it!

(Although take out parenthesized last phrase.)



A few languages, but English (or whatever natural language comes naturally to you) has great influence over how we use our brains and how we think, what we think about, etc.



It is good for the job but now that there are things to consider (less relative to what English & c. can describe) we need different ways of conceptualizing it.



More important than the number of colors is how useful each color is.

It could be, for example, that 4 colors is much more useful than 4 billion colors. Especially if those 4 colors can be used in a seemingly endless variety of ways.



Or, the "basic elements" from which all other elements arise.



They are the same.

Each thing or relationship in our perspective is a temporary symbol. (Temporary because our perspective does not hang on to it.)



It is already there because the physical representation of the thing is the symbol itself.

If you represented your own spaceship as 10-layer stack of mango wood, for example, the symbol would be your spaceship.

There would be no need for the spaceship of your fantasy (that you could climb into) to exist because it exists all ready.

The point is to make one symbol relative to an other symbol. (That is why we create symbols.. to form a logical pathway.)



The hat is the head, as far as it needs to exist (all things considered).

The Law of 5/2 (Energy Perspective) implies that no energy is wasted.

The 'future' spaceship is "contained" in the wooden spaceship.

Some may call it a holographic universe, but it's really just saving energy when there's no need for it to exist in all perspectives as the same thing.

It is ready just when it needs to be.



Yes, because one thing must be relative to an other thing in order to exist.

We know each thing from something else.

(The thing is not as real as the relationship, you could say.)



Or, "pretending" that the hole is there everywhere else.

Some would say, acting as if. (Which may also create the necessary field relationships.)



One thing, a seemingly infinite expression when it cannot be contained in any one perception.

It is recursive in this way because there is actually only one thing.

But it needs to be two in order to exist.

One thing cannot exist without being relative to something else.



Yep.



Again, the planets, Earth, galaxies, neighbors in the universe do not need to exist until you perceive them.

Planets do not exist but in the imagination. When you look at one through a telescope then a new kind of relationship is made. But there is no atmosphere in this perception, and it need not exist until you go there and interact with it.

The Law of Energy Perspective is symbol (5) without possibility (2) which comes alive only through interaction (3).

Without interaction with the representation, it exists only as a possibility (i.e., does not exist).



You got it! I'm impressed :)



Yes. And that is what Einstein had been working on for many years.

Perhaps one day we'll find the scribbles.



In Ec, there is no right or wrong. There is only perspective.

If you think cats are evil then you'd map it out as such.

You can say "cat" in English but does the person to whom you are speaking really know how you feel?

When you exercise the expression in Ec the person may know that you're talking about something 'feline' and 'evil' for example. They'd usually use their own perspective about what it is.

That's the beauty of Ec. By communicating in it you form a tremendous amount of relationships and, thus, more things become relative. (Thus, expansion of what you'd call intelligence and lots of other fun stuff.)

However, it may be hard to conceptualize how a word in Ec can have both standard definitions and a more nebulous definition.

But actually, in English you do it all the time in a somewhat different way. (Ever pick up on social queues? Maybe a friend's "yes" has a deeper meaning, for example.)

Hope this helps :)

hey all, we have been interacting for quite a while, but i guess this is my first post.

i´ve been thinking about the use of "advanced genius", and wondering what is a mental symbol (an image in my imagination, a sound, a thought) trying to figure out how the physical genius map "evolved" to something more subtle.
So the last couple of days my thought was on reverse engineering reality so i can perceive my own genius and how it is already building my reality.

funny enough chaol decided to mention exactly that, today in a post, so im coming forward and asking us all, could this be productive, by now many have pratice on creating their own genius maps.
does anyone have thoughts or would like to exemplify pieces of their current reality that they can perceive as created by a similar process to the one we are learning here and how it probably evolved to a mental process.

love you all, be safe chaol!

I just busted up laughing, alone in my home, when some thoughts connected into understanding.

I've been reading along and just want to say thanks to every one involved in this thread -- and lurking, too ;)

It's so funny and strange and awesome!

:D

Another lurker here just wanting to express my gratitude to all of you for the thought provoking conversations. Thanks Chaol for everything. Safe travels.

Feeling the same way! ;)

From this, the world will find out that the anti-establishment and the establishment are one and the same. The virus and the antidote to divide and conquer.*

When we find out where he is born, to whom, why he is in Hawaii (and what is in Hawaii; and what a car accident has to do with his personality), Indonesia with Sukarno, and several other countries (and why his mother is living in several countries, why she is married to a general in Suharto's army, what languages she speaks and why, whom she works for, and why), who supports him financially as he is growing up, and why, and what he is doing now, and why.

To promote one entertaining story to obscure an other, far more interesting, one is the name of the game. There are no grand conspiracies other than the nature of physicality to hide something that cannot be physically-represented. But the thought of a human conspiracy certainly keeps one from thinking about the nature of reality.

The actors and the stage begin to be revealed in their entirety in this unveiling. A story thousands of years in the making (and telling), encompassing pretty much everything you can read (or can't) in your history books.

What is your world composed of when what you knew so well becomes a mystery?

Truth is, indeed, stranger than fiction.

Then you see what you have been doing all along, and the reality that you create for yourself.

Everything exists now. (There is no past, present, or future, that you can experience save for your perspective.)

Obviously, what you perceive is illusion.

This illusion has a narrative.

In 2012, you see the narrative for what it is.

And this particular illusion breaks down.

The end of the world, indeed. (The end of this particular physical illusion, and the start of an other.)


*As I previously mentioned, this division is what creates physicality. The tension between 'good' and 'evil' is as old as time because it is what creates time.

Never has the 'big picture' not been discussed, except in response to an other's query.

If it is thought that there is focus on some other detail that is not entirely significant, perhaps the point is missed.

This "missing the mark" is important enough to warrant an entire catalogue in the realm of the psyche with the classical definition of "sin".

Someone of us unfortunately will, indeed, find ourselves in a type of "hell" for missing the point regardless of how important we think these unimportant (that is to say, lacking significant interaction with other things) details are.

I'm reminded of how much energy is wasted (perhaps billions, in terms of your hours) thinking about "republican" or "democrat" when in the big picture, if there ever was one, such distinctions are not only irrelevant they do not exist.

We are certainly welcome to waste this energy but it does not mean that we will experience something different from what our previous wastefulness has resulted in, for lack of better terms.

However, here it is amusing that some of us are uncomfortable without more detail in these posts while some others are uncomfortable with more detail.

(Surely, though, we do not know what lay beyond the borders of our experience. Do you think it is something we expect or something entirely unexpected? If unexpected, would we be willing to accept it or even be willing to incorporate it within our current experience? I haven't even begun to say anything about what fantastic things lay just beyond the ~current perspective because, really, it would be unacceptable to most. Many of us fluctuate between discreet feelings of fear and curiosity. How many of us are willing to give up what we seemingly have spent so much time in building? Very few. And that is why you find yourselves here, at what is essentially the end of the road before your previous steps vanish into nothingness, talking to me in hopes that you can continue walking along the same path. I'm relaying to you the 'fact' that the rhythm of the footsteps you're making will not carry over into what your reality is becoming. The mechanisms by which you think and do is what is imperative here when many of us are, instead, focused on the mark of the footsteps and what kind of shoes we're wearing, and how the knot is tied.)

There is little hope that anything significant will be done in the way of altering one's current path of experience while suffering the effects of a passive lethargy.

Whether we do or do not do, we will always be occupied with something. (It is the nature of reality.) But that does not make it relevant or meaningful.

We can spend our lives massaging the legs of members of our local ant colony and make a life of it, with drive and purpose that we ourselves invent, and argue with others about the finer points of lavender oil as compared with burgundy when applied to the exoskeleton if we so wanted.

But it does not mean that our actions and thoughts will be much-related to much else, or interact with the depth of our perspective.

Basically, I am saying that 99% of your thoughts are irrelevant to the expanded perspective. They are 99% relevant to a very, very small sliver of a perspective that has very little interaction with deeper perspectives. Apologies for being blunt (perhaps still confusing to some of us) but it is what is needed at this point.

(How many of us would drift off into tangents at this point is both expected and predictable. It is entirely what I am conveying here.)

It is only when we see what we haven't seen that our perspective is changed.

Hi.

I do not know what they should be. And what is relevant really depends on you.

But what would probably make a thoughts or actions more relative to an expanded perspective is if it was not dependent specifically on itself.

For example, the thought of "I am a marine biologist" is dependent on your thoughts about marine biology and your relation to it.

If you did not consider yourself a marine biologist then, most likely, you would not say or think such a thing.

(Of course. But that's the idea.)

When your perspective is more expanded then you care less about being "a marine biologist". It is only important to you when you import the concept into your experience. i.e., when you explore the life of a marine biologist.

Ask yourself what representations matter to you most in your life? What do you consider yourself? What do you think about? What labels do you find yourself thinking about.

And then you will see that the representations (which are illusions of something else) influence your experience and limit your perspective.

(It's a matter of how much your perspective interacts with other things. Your perspective will always be limited somehow.)

So in order to expand your perspective through thinking, get rid of your thoughts, rely on them less, and make them interact with what no longer matters to you.

Become what you do not care to become. (As you care about what is most relative to you, which actually binds you to the current perspective.)

Yes.

It's could be quite obvious when you think about it.

But your "mind" doesn't want to think about it.

Because that would mean the end of itself. And what self-preserving mechanisms would allow that to happen?

Better to not think that the solution is simple, it thinks. Busy itself with unimportant details, it does, in order to keep the appearance of progression towards the goal of "change".

This is the same mind that would, for example, create complicated obstacles to obfuscate a clear path towards a condition where that particular thinking is no longer required or relevant.

Basically, self-sabotage of meaningful progress and replacing it with the appearance of progress by attaching value to things that don't really deserve it.

All is as I, and Chaol 3, have mentioned.

Only a part of me is 'back' to post on this thread. (Other parts are posting on other threads that you cannot see or access, but that's an other story.)

You do the same thing when you dream. A part of you here, a part of you there. All doing something that has an effect on something else.

Before I walked among you. Lived as you did. Went to cafes and performances.

That was a few months ago.

Right now my 'existence' is on this thread. There is no need for me to exist in physical form in the world that this thread exists in.

Quite difficult to explain, and a load of crap for most of you, but it is what it is.

You're getting fragments of me, so to speak. Kind of like a ghost.

I am not really "back" but I am still posting because that is how I have set it up. Sometimes it is more difficult to see what I post than at other times depending on your perspective. (Again, difficult to explain in these words but with each thing there is a narrative. It doesn't matter what the narrative is, only that it bridges 'two' somewhat distant concepts. And sometimes that narrative is hard to believe or relate to. And so here we are.)