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If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat

 
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Got some ketone test strips today, seems I am already in ketosis. been 20g carbs, 75g protien and making it up to 2000 calories with fat and maybe the odd whisky. Been easy so far....
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fry 120g chicken meat and 200g sliced mushrooms in 25g butter till chicken cooked and mushrooms soft, sprinkle with 5g curry powder, cook a minute or two while stirring then stir in 50g double cream, this is an amazing dish and can be improvized in so many ways

very filling 400g of chicken and mushroom curry

Carbs 3.6g
Protein 31.5g
Fat 48g
Calories 570

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Nice recipe, TS.

And congrats on finding this thread. It has slowed down a lot compared to when it first started, but a lot of us are still checking in from time to time. Best of luck to you. Not that hard of a diet to follow, and I am sure you will be impressed by the benefits.
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Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
Well, for your information,
I GAINED 25 pounds on low carb eating.

I am now on an Orish type diet,
80-100 grams carbs, 15% fat,
50-70 grams protein,
good physical work out every day,
and I am loosing weight hand over fist.
So far, in 5 weeks, 15 pounds off.

Fuck low carb.
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Is that you S'gan? You are an effin' head case. OK?
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Nice recipe, TS.

And congrats on finding this thread. It has slowed down a lot compared to when it first started, but a lot of us are still checking in from time to time. Best of luck to you. Not that hard of a diet to follow, and I am sure you will be impressed by the benefits.
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Its a megathread, only read about a quarter of it so far, but got sidetracked looking at info in links etc.

I won't know how i'm doing till monday because im going to be strict about weighing once a week - but I think its going well.

I made a spreadsheet to do all the calculations - seems to work ok, hoping to get a collection of a selection of 'days' that I like, then use them in rotation so i dont have to keep figuring the numbers out.

oh and those ketostix things that I keep peeing on are going lovely and purple too, so I must be doing something right.

Currently being monitored for high (ish) blood pressure, next check up is a week on wednesday, hope this has made a positive improvement because i realy dont want to be medicated for it.
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first week, down 7.6lbs, BP down from 160/110 to 145/100, BMI down by 2 points and body fat down by 2%.

A week ago I was obese, now im merely overweight LOL

loving it.....
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first week, down 7.6lbs, BP down from 160/110 to 145/100, BMI down by 2 points and body fat down by 2%.

A week ago I was obese, now im merely overweight LOL

loving it.....
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Congratulations :)

I'm back on this diet too. Just after one day, I feel my pants are a tiny bit looser. Love it!
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I'm starting to think to return to a vegetarian diet again, because of spiritual reasons. Probably won't (yet) skip on fish, and might just eat some chicken sometimes...

Are there any guidelines/ideas to do a low carb diet without meat and not falling into the trap of potatoes, grains, meat, dairy, fruit... I'm mainly thinking of eggs, cheese, nuts, vegetables... Main problem in my mind is diner; can imagine eating some kind of salad with fatty cheese, fish, oil/mayonaise on top or veggies with sauce/oil...

Struggling to form an idea in my head how to make a diverse diet that's still low carb/high fat ánd gives me enough calories to stay healthy and avoid hibernation mode... Ideas?
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I'm starting to think to return to a vegetarian diet again, because of spiritual reasons. Probably won't (yet) skip on fish, and might just eat some chicken sometimes...

Are there any guidelines/ideas to do a low carb diet without meat and not falling into the trap of potatoes, grains, meat, dairy, fruit... I'm mainly thinking of eggs, cheese, nuts, vegetables... Main problem in my mind is diner; can imagine eating some kind of salad with fatty cheese, fish, oil/mayonaise on top or veggies with sauce/oil...

Struggling to form an idea in my head how to make a diverse diet that's still low carb/high fat ánd gives me enough calories to stay healthy and avoid hibernation mode... Ideas?
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spiritual reasons?
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Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
Most people that are Fat and that have sugar related illness drink POP. DON"T DRINK FUCKING POP.DON"T DRINK FUCKING POP. The shit will kill you. Its killing everybody. Quit drinking the stuff and loss weight instantly. Start WALKING. WALKING WALKING. People are fucking LAZY fat slobs who don't even care about themselves. Why should we care about you either. Fat Lazy Slobs.
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I'm starting to think to return to a vegetarian diet again, because of spiritual reasons. Probably won't (yet) skip on fish, and might just eat some chicken sometimes...

Are there any guidelines/ideas to do a low carb diet without meat and not falling into the trap of potatoes, grains, meat, dairy, fruit... I'm mainly thinking of eggs, cheese, nuts, vegetables... Main problem in my mind is diner; can imagine eating some kind of salad with fatty cheese, fish, oil/mayonaise on top or veggies with sauce/oil...

Struggling to form an idea in my head how to make a diverse diet that's still low carb/high fat ánd gives me enough calories to stay healthy and avoid hibernation mode... Ideas?
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Don't know if thie www.earthclinic.com has been added in this thread, too many pages to check, but it is excellent.

The trick is to juice raw fruits/vegs, if you are able to - you will lose much weight on that alone.

Cut out the sugar and breads - there is an Ezekiel bread in Health Store that is made by biblical receipe, expensive but wonderful to eat.

ACV (Apple Cider Vinegar - Braggs, Organic) takes hunger away - amazed how much this works, couple of tablespoons in the morning with it, non fluro water.

The Earthclinic site is truly a gem of a place for all kind of information re diet and what TPTB's propaganda is doing to people.

Lots of salads in summer and winter soups are low in cost and high in benefits.

All the best
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Most people that are Fat and that have sugar related illness drink POP. DON"T DRINK FUCKING POP.DON"T DRINK FUCKING POP. The shit will kill you. Its killing everybody. Quit drinking the stuff and loss weight instantly. Start WALKING. WALKING WALKING. People are fucking LAZY fat slobs who don't even care about themselves. Why should we care about you either. Fat Lazy Slobs.
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Your narcissism and anger will kill you before soda does!
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One can easily do this on a raw foods diet of mainly greens, nuts and seeds. Add some green sprouts to that.

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Actually though.. I tried the extreme low carb way, which is under 20g every 4 hrs or so. This will keep you in ketosis.

Everytime I do it though I get low back pain!

So I include some berries or sprouted legumes in the salad sometimes.

I figure that maybe it's depleting too much liver stores and instead gets them from the kidneys? Who knows.. but yea the liver stores fructose.

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I'd lost 4.5 kilos (9.9 pounds) by going low calorie and walking on treadmill for 60 mins every day for two weeks.

Now my weight has gone back up again. I used to always lose weight by goihng low carb, but I've developed an intolerance to eggs now and I relied on them so heavily on low carb.

I want to go back to low carb to keep losing weight, but what do I have for breakfast if I can't eat eggs???
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An eggless breakfast I enjoy is fixing myself a bowl of sausage gravy. I use a nice medium hot breakfast sausage w sage and fry it up till crumbly. I only drain some of the fat if it is really fatty. Then I add heavy cream generously and simmer until the cream reduces into a nice thick sausage gravy. This is yummy and satisfying in a bowl and since you are leaving off the biscuits and the flour thickeners you will find the gravy remarkably light and sitting easy on the stomach. Only problem is that you need to eat it all in one sitting because gravy separates on reheating.

If scorpion still comes around I would appreciate a comment on a concern I am having. I'm approaching two years eating like this and I am not wanting to loose any more weight but cant seem to stabilize. I had half a coke last night and woke up stiff tired and moody. Every time I cheat a little I can feel my body react negatively to grains or sugar. This is very real and not in my head. I know I need to be eating more fat and protein but working outside in the heat I just have lost my appetite and cannot finish a normal size portion.

I want to eat this way for life because of the energy and youthfulness it gives me, but with no food cravings anymore and my low appetite I'm turning into a bag of bones. I know you have done this diet for many years, did you or your wife hit a point where you lost interest in food or had to adapt some things to stop loosing?
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What's the best alcohol to drink while on this diet?
Liquor? If so, what kind.
How much can be taken without stalling fat loss?
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How can you speed up weight loss on this plan?
1. Increase fat ratio?
2. Lower carbs?
3. Lower protein?
4. Reduce calories?
5. Exercise?
6. Other...

Thanks Sc0rp10n!
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atkins will set you free I have been doing it for a year . I am thin and staying thin .

280 to 215 , it works
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What's the best alcohol to drink while on this diet?
Liquor? If so, what kind.
How much can be taken without stalling fat loss?
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Any liquor consumption will stall you for a day or two. Your body will be burning alcohol, not fat, as long as there is alcohol in your system.

I stick with vodka on the rocks for the fewest carbs and no sugar when I do drink. Occasionally I'll get a rum/diet coke. One drink goes a long way when in ketosis, BTW.
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If scorpion still comes around I would appreciate a comment on a concern I am having. I'm approaching two years eating like this and I am not wanting to loose any more weight but cant seem to stabilize. I had half a coke last night and woke up stiff tired and moody. Every time I cheat a little I can feel my body react negatively to grains or sugar. This is very real and not in my head. I know I need to be eating more fat and protein but working outside in the heat I just have lost my appetite and cannot finish a normal size portion.

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I am not Scorpion, but I figured I would respond. I have been on the diet since mid-december 2010. My weight has stabilized, after initially losing about 15lbs. I gained back about 4 and have been steady now for quite a while.

I think the most important thing is eating a large and very fatty breakfast. From the time I eat breakfast in the morning, till I really feel like eating lunch, is 7-8 hours.

After a fatty breakfast, lunch should be a moderate meal, but does not need to be so heavy on the fat. A hamburger with the bun is ok. Or tacos in flour or corn tortillas is ok. Even a 1/2 order of fries is ok. Dinner should be light and almost snacky. This is the meal when I eat celery with cream cheese, nuts, cold cuts or cold cut meats, slices of cheese, olives, sliced tomatoes with mayo, etc.

I think you need to keep fairly close to the ratios. In other words, make sure you are eating enough calories to support your target weight, as calculated from the Optimal site.I sometimes go for several days where I never really feel very hungry, but I go ahead and eat anyhow, because I need the energy for my highly physical work.

Some days, when I don't feel that hungry at lunch time, I drink a pint of half and half and eat a small bag of pork rinds. Gives my about 900 calories for about $5 and doesn't make me feel all overloaded and bloated.

We are eating for sustenance, not for entertainment.
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How can you speed up weight loss on this plan?
1. Increase fat ratio?
2. Lower carbs?
3. Lower protein?
4. Reduce calories?
5. Exercise?
6. Other...

Thanks Sc0rp10n!
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Why We Get Fat And What To Do About It
By Gary Taubes

[link to www.amazon.com]

This book explains how this diet works!
(high fat / low carb / moderate protein)

Read some of the overwhelmingly positive reviews.
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What's the best alcohol to drink while on this diet?
Liquor? If so, what kind.
How much can be taken without stalling fat loss?
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Hi,

The best alcohols are whisky, vodka, gin, rum, etc. Brandy is next but most brandies contain some carbs, but still pretty low.

I find that all alcohol stalls weight loss :( While I was trying to lose weight I was pretty much tee-total.

There seems to be a very interesting post-alcohol weight gain that can kick in one day after you have been drinking. I find that in most cases the morning after you have been drinking there is a weight loss. This lulls you into a sense of security since alcohol produces hunger for quite a period after drinking, so you tend to over eat the day after drinking. This can produce a HUGE weight gain that kicks in the following morning after the weight drop. The weight drop could be 1-2 pounds, but the subsequent weight gain can be a pretty scary 4-6 pounds. This can take about a week to come off again.

Now, I am usually careful the day after drinking and stick to about 1500 calories of mainly fatty food. This seems to prevent the big rise that seems to follow the alcohol binge.

Hope that helps.
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Thanks for the earlier post about the sausage gravy :)

I'm thinking I'm going to go Atkins again. My only issue was last time I went Atkins and was walking an hour on the treadmill every day, I felt so washed out and weak I just couldn't do it.

I want to go low carb but still do an hour on the treadmill every day. I've been told if I want to exercise, I need some carbs. Can anyone clear that up for me?

How can I go low carb, stick to the treadmill and not have that completely washed out/all I can do is lie on the couch feeling? :)
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OK, very interesting holiday update and some musings on the western way of consuming carbs.

We have just been to Thailand for 19 days. I was amazed at what people eat over there and yet almost everyone is stick thin and even 'middle-age spread' seems to be rare. However, these are some of the observations I came away with:

1) The consumption of coconut is huge. This includes coconut milk, cream and oil. It is in the curries, the soups, the sweets, everything.

2) There is an almost total absence of wheat flour (or indeed corn). It was amazing to go to restaurants and NEVER be offered bread (except once when we went to a Spanish tapas place).

3) They consume a lot of rice - even the noodles are rice noodles, without any apparent ill effect.

4) They primarily use coconut palm sugar for sweetening. This is incredibly low GI at about 35.

5) They eat a lot of fat and protein - with fish, seafood, chicken, pork, beef, etc all eaten liberally.

6) They eat a lot of bread fruits/squashes which are low carb.

I would say that carbs probably account for more than 50-60% of calories consumed.

The 2 differentiating factors are the lack of wheat and corn and the liberal use of coconut.

I will address the coconut first. Coconut oil is primarily saturated so their saturated fat consumption is VERY high, especially when combined with high fatty meat consumption. The saturated fats in coconut are a bit different though. These are what are called Medium-Chain Fatty Acids as opposed to other saturated fats being Long-Chain Fatty Acids.

The fascinating property of MCFA fats is that they seem to induce a ketogenic state even in the presence of substantial amounts of carbs i.e. up to 100gm. They have been used in epileptic ketogenic diets to induce ketosis while livening up the diet of epileptic children a bit.

Now what is important about a ketogenic state? You can ONLY burn fats when you are ketogenic. In the presence of insulin and absence of ketones fat burning is suspended. The idea is that you are burning glucose for energy and the function of insulin is to shuffle that glucose to your cells. When the glucose is exhausted then you switch to fat as insulin levels drop. However, with the western way of eating and snacking on carbs this hardly ever happens except at night since people are eating carbs non-stop thus ensuring they never burn fat for energy and store it all.

OK - the second factor - wheat, corn and other cereals. I am beginning to believe that it is these cereals that are destroying our glucose metabolism and causing all the metabolic disorders such as diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, many cancers, kidney disease, fatty liver disease, Alzheimers, etc.

I am beginning to think that rice is different and doesn't have the same effect. This would explain why South East Asian countries have not had the obesity and metabolic syndrome issues but are now starting to. It interestingly differentiates India too where diabetes is soaring as they have increased their use of wheat and corn flours and reduced their ghee and coconut oil consumption in favour of crap vegetable oils.

The kicker though is that once the glucose metabolism is broken then consuming rice while still cause systemic damage since the ability to process carbs is ruined! At that point all carbs are a problem.

Right! Personal experience time:

I drank like a fish, ate huge quantities of the local soups and curries and even had rice and rice noodles. I even had some corn tortillas at a very nice Mexican restaurant in Hua Hin (give it a plug - it's called Margaritas - amazing!!!). So .... in 16 nights I had gained all of 4 pounds (weighing myself on our last morning in Pattaya), more than I would have expected to gain from the alcohol alone. And my carb consumption was 2-3 times (sometimes more) more than normal Furthermore, my drinking was mainly Rum and Diet Coke and Margarita's rather then Whisky!

By contrast last year in Portugal in 16 nights I gained about 9 pounds and ate my normal less than 20gm of carbs a day way. That was the alcohol difference.

So in some strange way I managed to gain less despite drinking more and eating more carbs.

Now, to make things even stranger. We had a 2 night stopover in Delhi and despite the fact I drank less and didn't eat any carbs I had gained another 5 pounds! But I had more vegetables and curries cooked in vegetable oil. Hmmm - go figure that one!

Anyway .... back home ... half the weight is gone already and I am now looking at ways to experiment with coconut in our diet, now I can use my blood sugar monitor again. It was nice being able to at least have some rice, even if in very small quantities, without any apparent ill effect.
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