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HOW CAN A PERSON KNOW IF THEY WERE EVER A VICTIM OF MKULTRA OR MONARCH PROGRAMMING?

 
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If you have PTSD with no reason.

If you have lapses of memory.

Frequent mental fog.

Obsession with certain phrases people say.

Strangers say odd phrases to you for no reason.

Feeling drugged for no reason.

Being followed.

Seeing the same stranger at differnt places several times.

Phone messages with no caller ID.

Phone messages that are gargled and unintelligable.

Knowing some knowledge you were never taught in school and unsure how you know it.

Feeling an instant knowing re other people for no reason.

Waking up feeling drugged rather than rested.

Strangers recommending conferences, books, etc out of the blue for no reason.

Want more?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1375001


I came into this one to troll because I thought it was bs but holy shit man...I have had almost every one of these experiences multiple times.

NOW I AM FREAKED OUT.

How do I get their programming out of my head?

FUCK FUCK FUCK. I knew it but did not want to admit it.vrwc
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In my soul
you are engraved

In a while
I fight my cage

on the wall
and on my skin

I feel fire
so deep within

with this sorrow
I start to cry

I've lost all
I made you die

forget me not
didn't you say?

it sounded easy
in a strange way

forgetting
is what I crave

denying
that I'm your slave

a heart beats
and it withers

a heart bleeds
oh, disaster

in the end
I need you still

and in time
I hope you will

forget me not
in a second

'cause on you
I must depend

even if
you've gone away

I am here
left astray.
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FORGET ME NOT

Forget Me Not

Can't stop the pain,
It hurts me still,
I can't believe it-I've had my fill.

Recall my laugh,
And the sweet wine,
We drank together-one last time.

Forget my eyes,
Don't think of my hair,
It doesn't matter-we've nothing to share.

Forget the tears,
The whole damn lot,
But whatever you do-forget me not.
 Quoting: miss ronni


Now thats wierd! did you know that off by heart?
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FORGET ME NOT

Forget Me Not

Can't stop the pain,
It hurts me still,
I can't believe it-I've had my fill.

Recall my laugh,
And the sweet wine,
We drank together-one last time.

Forget my eyes,
Don't think of my hair,
It doesn't matter-we've nothing to share.

Forget the tears,
The whole damn lot,
But whatever you do-forget me not.
 Quoting: miss ronni


Now thats wierd! did you know that off by heart?
 Quoting: sway


Yea, I got a few of them memorized.

I also wrote a song about 6 months ago. Which I've never done before, but out of nowhere the words were just in my head one day.
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FORGET ME NOT

Forget Me Not

Can't stop the pain,
It hurts me still,
I can't believe it-I've had my fill.

Recall my laugh,
And the sweet wine,
We drank together-one last time.

Forget my eyes,
Don't think of my hair,
It doesn't matter-we've nothing to share.

Forget the tears,
The whole damn lot,
But whatever you do-forget me not.
 Quoting: miss ronni


Now thats wierd! did you know that off by heart?
 Quoting: sway


Yea, I got a few of them memorized.

I also wrote a song about 6 months ago. Which I've never done before, but out of nowhere the words were just in my head one day.
 Quoting: miss ronni



Not gonna say too much, but we are bound by the same my friend, stay mindful <3
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FORGET ME NOT

Forget Me Not

Can't stop the pain,
It hurts me still,
I can't believe it-I've had my fill.

Recall my laugh,
And the sweet wine,
We drank together-one last time.

Forget my eyes,
Don't think of my hair,
It doesn't matter-we've nothing to share.

Forget the tears,
The whole damn lot,
But whatever you do-forget me not.
 Quoting: miss ronni


Now thats wierd! did you know that off by heart?
 Quoting: sway


Yea, I got a few of them memorized.

I also wrote a song about 6 months ago. Which I've never done before, but out of nowhere the words were just in my head one day.
 Quoting: miss ronni



Not gonna say too much, but we are bound by the same my friend, stay mindful <3
 Quoting: sway


hf
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here's a good site i found. im still reading it now
[link to lucianarchy.proboards.com]
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i cant for the life of me get the scarecrows song if i only had a brain out of my head! This stuff is scary guys. I'm in therapy right now for dissociative identity disorder and my therapist is a lightworker who has all kinda of weird crytsals and even a glass coaster covered in monarch butterflies hiding
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Probably nothing, but who else here remembers in elementary school, every dang year, the routine of hatching the crysalis into a monarch butterfly in the classroom?

I mean, every year in elementary school, this was as regular a feature as drawing Santa Clause for xmas was.

Early 1960's. Never thought much about it until reading this thread.


Anyone?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 728979


I vouch for this happening in England too at infants school,1995-1998.

Why do I keep ending up on this site even though there is blatantly something weird going on?
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i cant for the life of me get the scarecrows song if i only had a brain out of my head! This stuff is scary guys. I'm in therapy right now for dissociative identity disorder and my therapist is a lightworker who has all kinda of weird crytsals and even a glass coaster covered in monarch butterflies hiding
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I think I'd get a new therapist.
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yea easier said than done though, I've been in therapy for a while now and she's one of the only people in my city who specialize in DID/MPD. Did anybody check out that link? There's just about everything you'd wanna know on there.


anyone else have strange dreams? I've currently got the Mr. Sandman song stuck in my head...creepy.
Here's a good test used clinically to measure dissociation...you can probably get a better idea of any symptoms too

[link to counsellingresource.com]

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no it would be a small tattoo, small dots, a uniform mark of any kind, small scars in the shape of lines, circles or dots, not a birth mark.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1342056


Disturbing things have been happening to me my whole life.

I've been trying desperately every day for years to figure out what is causing all of this to no avail.

Now I'm 45 years old and these bad things happening to me are escalating in frequency rapidly and I cannot find help.
Way too many things to list here.

I read all the symptoms given here, and I have most every one mentioned.

When I read this particular post, a chill went up my spine, because I have a perfectly round dot that's 3mm in diameter that is clearly a tattoo on my left wrist that I have no idea where it came from. It has been there my whole life.

I need your help, please!


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If you have PTSD with no reason.

If you have lapses of memory.

Frequent mental fog.

Obsession with certain phrases people say.

Strangers say odd phrases to you for no reason.

Feeling drugged for no reason.

Being followed.

Seeing the same stranger at differnt places several times.

Phone messages with no caller ID.

Phone messages that are gargled and unintelligable.

Knowing some knowledge you were never taught in school and unsure how you know it.

Feeling an instant knowing re other people for no reason.

Waking up feeling drugged rather than rested.

Strangers recommending conferences, books, etc out of the blue for no reason.

Want more?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1375001


I came into this one to troll because I thought it was bs but holy shit man...I have had almost every one of these experiences multiple times.

NOW I AM FREAKED OUT.

How do I get their programming out of my head?

FUCK FUCK FUCK. I knew it but did not want to admit it.vrwc
 Quoting: Last of the Keebler Elves 1411909


How about people that say they know you....but you can't remember them to save your life.....
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How about people that say they know you....but you can't remember them to save your life.....
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I've been getting this my whole life, and the other way around. I'll see some "strangers" who I KNOW I don't know, but something deep inside tells me I do know them, and very well at that.
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Here are all of the symptoms and indicators mentioned in this thread and whether I have them or not:

1. If you have PTSD. YES

2. If you have lapses of memory. YES

3. Frequent mental fog. YES

4. Obsession with certain phrases people say. YES

5. Strangers say odd phrases to you for no reason. YES

6. Feeling drugged for no reason. YES

7. Being followed. YES

8. Seeing the same stranger at differnt places several times. NO

9. Phone messages with no caller ID. YES

10. Phone messages that are gargled and unintelligible. YES

11. Knowing some knowledge you were never taught in school and unsure how you know it. YES

12. Feeling an instant knowing re other people for no reason. YES

13. Waking up feeling drugged rather than rested. YES

14. Strangers recommending conferences, books, etc out of the blue for no reason. YES

15. Blacking out YES

16. Missing time YES

17. Needle marks NO

18. Missing years from your childhood YES

19. Have a hard time remembering anything YES

20. Waking up feeling more tired then when you go to sleep YES

21. Feeling drugged all the time YES

22. Allergies (from the constant drugging) NO

23. Speech impediments YES

24. Memories of being on military operations NO

25. Very high IQ YES

26. Insomnia YES

27. Parent(s) in the military / medical profession YES

28. Do you have any small tattoos or marks that you have had your whole life, dont know where they came from, not birth marks. symbols, tattoos, ect. YES

29. Are susceptible to hypnotism YES

30. See subliminal messages in movies, books and pc YES

31. You probably have a very good grasp of quantum physics/mechanics YES

32. You will consider yourself to be very spiritual YES

33. You may hear things as if a frequency is being beamed directly into your head ie: a program on the radio where people are engaged in a conversation that seems personal and when you look at the radio it isn't on YES


So if this were to be "scored", I have 29 out of 33 indicators.

This explains a lot to me, but it still does not help me.
I've been trying to figure this out for many years, so if anyone can direct me to someone I can trust to help me, please do.

Thanks
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yea easier said than done though, I've been in therapy for a while now and she's one of the only people in my city who specialize in DID/MPD. Did anybody check out that link? There's just about everything you'd wanna know on there.


anyone else have strange dreams? I've currently got the Mr. Sandman song stuck in my head...creepy.
Here's a good test used clinically to measure dissociation...you can probably get a better idea of any symptoms too

[link to counsellingresource.com]

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Thanks for posting. I'll check it out.
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Your advatar says it all, OP.
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??? I just like butterflies because they're beautiful. I've always loved them.
 Quoting: miss ronni


Playing dumb OP?

It couldn't be because you read about Monarch on the internet and now you're role playing as a survivor to get attention?

Because that would make you a pretty scummy person
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Here are all of the symptoms and indicators mentioned in this thread and whether I have them or not:

1. If you have PTSD. YES

2. If you have lapses of memory. YES

3. Frequent mental fog. YES

4. Obsession with certain phrases people say. YES

5. Strangers say odd phrases to you for no reason. YES

6. Feeling drugged for no reason. YES

7. Being followed. YES

8. Seeing the same stranger at differnt places several times. NO

9. Phone messages with no caller ID. YES

10. Phone messages that are gargled and unintelligible. YES

11. Knowing some knowledge you were never taught in school and unsure how you know it. YES

12. Feeling an instant knowing re other people for no reason. YES

13. Waking up feeling drugged rather than rested. YES

14. Strangers recommending conferences, books, etc out of the blue for no reason. YES

15. Blacking out YES

16. Missing time YES

17. Needle marks NO

18. Missing years from your childhood YES

19. Have a hard time remembering anything YES

20. Waking up feeling more tired then when you go to sleep YES

21. Feeling drugged all the time YES

22. Allergies (from the constant drugging) NO

23. Speech impediments YES

24. Memories of being on military operations NO

25. Very high IQ YES

26. Insomnia YES

27. Parent(s) in the military / medical profession YES

28. Do you have any small tattoos or marks that you have had your whole life, dont know where they came from, not birth marks. symbols, tattoos, ect. YES

29. Are susceptible to hypnotism YES

30. See subliminal messages in movies, books and pc YES

31. You probably have a very good grasp of quantum physics/mechanics YES

32. You will consider yourself to be very spiritual YES

33. You may hear things as if a frequency is being beamed directly into your head ie: a program on the radio where people are engaged in a conversation that seems personal and when you look at the radio it isn't on YES


So if this were to be "scored", I have 29 out of 33 indicators.

This explains a lot to me, but it still does not help me.
I've been trying to figure this out for many years, so if anyone can direct me to someone I can trust to help me, please do.

Thanks
 Quoting: redhawk


Seriously, I've been to countless doctors in many different areas of practice and they all find very unusual things going on, but none of them can explain it.

A lot of these symptoms I not only have, but I have at major degrees.

Please, if anyone knows where I can get help, please tell me.

Thank you.

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no it would be a small tattoo, small dots, a uniform mark of any kind, small scars in the shape of lines, circles or dots, not a birth mark.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1342056


Disturbing things have been happening to me my whole life.

I've been trying desperately every day for years to figure out what is causing all of this to no avail.

Now I'm 45 years old and these bad things happening to me are escalating in frequency rapidly and I cannot find help.
Way too many things to list here.

I read all the symptoms given here, and I have most every one mentioned.

When I read this particular post, a chill went up my spine, because I have a perfectly round dot that's 3mm in diameter that is clearly a tattoo on my left wrist that I have no idea where it came from. It has been there my whole life.

Whoever the Anonymous person is that posted this information to look for these tattoos please email me here ASAP:

I need your help, please!

 Quoting: redhawk


Tony-

If you are serious about everything you have wrote so far I first would recommend you edit your email address out of this post.

Secondly, I would direct you to pick up a few books on the subject, mainly any written by Cathy O'Brien.

After you read this, I can direct you to an actual deprogrammer who is extremely adept at all these subjects and could help you. Keep in mind the success rate is not very high. My email is linked under my profile.

Cheers, and good luck.

-J
Animals are beasts but men are monsters...
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no it would be a small tattoo, small dots, a uniform mark of any kind, small scars in the shape of lines, circles or dots, not a birth mark.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1342056


Disturbing things have been happening to me my whole life.

I've been trying desperately every day for years to figure out what is causing all of this to no avail.

Now I'm 45 years old and these bad things happening to me are escalating in frequency rapidly and I cannot find help.
Way too many things to list here.

I read all the symptoms given here, and I have most every one mentioned.

When I read this particular post, a chill went up my spine, because I have a perfectly round dot that's 3mm in diameter that is clearly a tattoo on my left wrist that I have no idea where it came from. It has been there my whole life.

Whoever the Anonymous person is that posted this information to look for these tattoos please email me here ASAP:

I need your help, please!

 Quoting: redhawk


Tony-

If you are serious about everything you have wrote so far I first would recommend you edit your email address out of this post.

Secondly, I would direct you to pick up a few books on the subject, mainly any written by Cathy O'Brien.

After you read this, I can direct you to an actual deprogrammer who is extremely adept at all these subjects and could help you. Keep in mind the success rate is not very high. My email is linked under my profile.

Cheers, and good luck.

-J
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Done and I am contacting you. Thank you!
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I have had several odd incidents happen that have made me question as well. I remember once when I was in grade school and another time right after I graduated high school someone coming up to me and asking about a party I had been at the night before. I told them that I was not at a party I was at home but they kept insisting and even told me what I was wearing - it upset me to the point of tears because I kept insisting that I would know if I had been there-

another strange thing was after a surgery when I was a young teenager- when I woke up there was a nurse who sat down and held my hand and said that she was there to "finish the conversation" I had never seen her before and told her I did not remember any conversation and she just smiled and got up and left....

I have always wondered about these things..and other strange happenings
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no it would be a small tattoo, small dots, a uniform mark of any kind, small scars in the shape of lines, circles or dots, not a birth mark.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1342056


Disturbing things have been happening to me my whole life.

I've been trying desperately every day for years to figure out what is causing all of this to no avail.

Now I'm 45 years old and these bad things happening to me are escalating in frequency rapidly and I cannot find help.
Way too many things to list here.

I read all the symptoms given here, and I have most every one mentioned.

When I read this particular post, a chill went up my spine, because I have a perfectly round dot that's 3mm in diameter that is clearly a tattoo on my left wrist that I have no idea where it came from. It has been there my whole life.

Whoever the Anonymous person is that posted this information to look for these tattoos please email me here ASAP:

I need your help, please!

 Quoting: redhawk


Tony-

If you are serious about everything you have wrote so far I first would recommend you edit your email address out of this post.

Secondly, I would direct you to pick up a few books on the subject, mainly any written by Cathy O'Brien.

After you read this, I can direct you to an actual deprogrammer who is extremely adept at all these subjects and could help you. Keep in mind the success rate is not very high. My email is linked under my profile.

Cheers, and good luck.

-J
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I just sent you an email. Thanks
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One way to tell is...

If you are drawn to pysop forums like GLP.







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Hey Nosaj, I sent something your way as well. Any help is more than greatly appreciated, I feel like I'm very limited in help/resources right now.thanks
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Your advatar says it all, OP.
 Quoting: Doomamatrix


??? I just like butterflies because they're beautiful. I've always loved them.
 Quoting: miss ronni


Playing dumb OP?

It couldn't be because you read about Monarch on the internet and now you're role playing as a survivor to get attention?

Because that would make you a pretty scummy person
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