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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 394958 United States 03/18/2008 03:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Tobacco might not be so bad, but the added chemicals in cigarettes and filters are deadly and highly addictive. And I'm a smoker. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 349426Right. I try and smoke tobacco with less additives. Another thing to think about is, the cig. paper. If you think about it you're smoking paper, which can't be good. |
LifesReflections* User ID: 391695 United States 03/18/2008 03:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yea, tell that to my Mother who died in 1994 at the age of 54 with..... lung cancer.... Success, like happiness, cannot be pursued. It must ensue. And it only does so as the unintended side effect of one's personal dedication to a cause greater than oneself.Victor Frank ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- Let Go and Let God... Live your life in such a way that when your feet hit the floor in the morning, Satan shudders & says... 'Oh crap....she's awake!!' |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 260371 United States 03/18/2008 03:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Generations of people in my family have smoked till their deaths. Not one of them has ever died of cancer or any of the so-called tobacco related illnesses. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 332664They die from old age. But that's a family secret! same here. |
PACNWguy User ID: 366950 United States 03/18/2008 03:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The problem is how it makes you and your surroundings look and smell. Then there is: The digging in the trash for a butt at 3am like some kind of starving rodent. Having to stop on road trips and stand outside in a fucking blizzard just to take a couple of drags. Scrubbing your fingers with steel wool and comet to get rid of nicotine stains. Taking your $200 slacks to the cleaners and asking them if they can fix a burn hole in the crotch. Taking your car in to see if they can fix a burn hole in the leather seat under your crotch. Swerving in traffic and risking your life and other's while your crotch is fucking on fire.... It might be healthy but its not worth it. OBAMA - THE FASTEST FAILED PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY "I inherated and I am Great!" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 394750 United Kingdom 03/18/2008 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Tobacco might not be so bad, but the added chemicals in cigarettes and filters are deadly and highly addictive. And I'm a smoker. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 394958Right. I try and smoke tobacco with less additives. Another thing to think about is, the cig. paper. If you think about it you're smoking paper, which can't be good. Smoke a wood pipe. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 332664 United States 03/18/2008 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Very thin and refined paper, but paper nonetheless. The tobacco would be more harmful in any case. Tobacco might not be so bad, but the added chemicals in cigarettes and filters are deadly and highly addictive. And I'm a smoker. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 394958Right. I try and smoke tobacco with less additives. Another thing to think about is, the cig. paper. If you think about it you're smoking paper, which can't be good. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 332664 United States 03/18/2008 03:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sounds more like drunkards than smokers. What clumsy(rich) people you must know. The problem is how it makes you and your surroundings look and smell. Quoting: PACNWguyThen there is: The digging in the trash for a butt at 3am like some kind of starving rodent. Having to stop on road trips and stand outside in a fucking blizzard just to take a couple of drags. Scrubbing your fingers with steel wool and comet to get rid of nicotine stains. Taking your $200 slacks to the cleaners and asking them if they can fix a burn hole in the crotch. Taking your car in to see if they can fix a burn hole in the leather seat under your crotch. Swerving in traffic and risking your life and other's while your crotch is fucking on fire.... It might be healthy but its not worth it. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 394972 United Kingdom 03/18/2008 03:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | -- Ask any smoker if he gets a lot of colds a year. They'll answer not that many. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 394958Dead people don't get colds either. If smoking prevents you from getting colds, it means the normal physiology of your body has been interfered with; it doesn't mean it's a good thing or that you are healthy. I woulf rather get colds and let the body's natural immune system fight the virus, than to coat my lungs with tar. . |
Agent Tray User ID: 333357 Canada 03/18/2008 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, you thought it was the tar that caused cancer... Think again. Cigarette companies will have you believing anything just as long as you continue to buy their products. The fact is, although insoluble tars are a contributing factor to the lung cancer danger present in today's cigarettes, the real danger is radioactivity. According to U.S. Surgeon General C. Everette Koop (on national television, 1990) radioactivity, not tar, accounts for at least 90% of all smoking related lung cancer. Tobacco crops grown in the United States are fertilized by law with phosphates rich in radium 226. In addition, many soils have a natural radium 226 content. Radium 226 breaks down into two long lived 'daughter' elements -- lead 210 and polonium 210. These radioactive particles become airborne, and attach themselves to the fine hairs on tobacco leaves. Studies have shown that lead 210 and polonium 210 deposits accumulate in the bodies of people exposed to cigarette smoke. Data collected in the late 1970's shows that smokers have three times as much of these elements in their lower lungs as non smokers. Smokers also show a greater accumulation of lead 210 and polonium 210 in their skeletons,though no studies have been conducted to link these deposits with bone cancer. Polonium 210 is the only component of cigarette smoke which has produced tumors by itself in inhalation experiments with animals. When a smoker inhales tobacco smoke, the lungs react by forming irritated areas in the bronchi. All smoke produces this effect. However, although these irritated spots are referred to as 'pre-cancerous' lesions, they are a perfectly natural defense system and usually go away with no adverse effects. Insoluble tars in tobacco smoke can slow this healing process by adhering to lesions and causing additional irritation. In addition, tobacco smoke causes the bronchi to constrict for long periods of time, which obstructs the lung's ability to clear itself of these residues. Polonium 210 and lead 210 in tobacco smoke show a tendency to accumulate at lesions in specific spots, called bifurcations, in the bronchi. When smoking is continued for an extended period of time, deposits of radioactivity turn into radioactive 'hot spots' and remain at bifurcations for years. Polonium 210 emits highly localized alpha radiation which has been shown to cause cancer. Since the polonium 210 has a half life of 21.5 years (Due to the presence of lead 210), it can put an ex-smoker at risk for years after he or she quits. Experiments measuring the level of polonium 210 in victims of lung cancer found that the level of 'hot spot' activity was virtually the same in smokers and ex-smokers even though the ex-smokers had quit five years prior to death. Over half of the radioactive materials emitted by a burning cigarette are released into the air, where they can be inhaled by non-smokers. In addition to lead 210 and polonium 210 it has been proven that tobacco smoke can cause airborne radioactive particles to collect in the lungs of both smokers and non-smokers exposed to second hand smoke. Original studies conducted on uranium miners which showed an increased risk of lung cancer due to exposure to radon in smokers have been re-run to evaluate the radioactive lung cancer risk from indoor air radon. It turns out that tobacco smoke works as a kind of 'magnet' for airborne radioactive particles, causing them to deposit in your lungs instead of on furniture. (Smoking indoors increases lung cancer risks greatly.) It has been estimated that the total accumulated alpha radiation exposure of a pack-a-day indoor smoker is 38 to 97 rad by age 60. (Two packs a day yields up to 143 rad, and non-smokers receive no more than 17 rad.) An exposure of 1 rad per year yields a 1% risk of lung cancer (at the lowest estimate.) Don't smoke. Or if you do, smoke lightly, outdoors, and engage frequently in activities which will clear your lungs. Imported India tobacco has less than half the radiation content of that grown in the U.S. Kicking the nicotine habit is not easy, and nobody has the right to expect it of you. Often physical addictions are reinforced by emotional and psychological needs. Filling or coming to terms with those needs can give you the inspiration and added freedom to succeed. Most of all, inform yourself, even if the information is disturbing. You are a lot less likely to be taken in by tobacco advertising once you know the facts. Nicotine, the active ingredient in tobacco smoke, has long been known to be highly addictive. In fact, doctors and pharmacologists are not in consensus as to which is more addictive -- nicotine, or heroin. Physical addiction occurs when a chemical becomes essential for the body or metabolism to function. In other words, a substance is said to be physically addictive if extended use results in a build up of tolerance in the body to the extent that discontinuing use of the substance results in negative side effects. Called "withdrawal symptoms," these consequences can include anxiety, stress, trauma, depression and physical conditions such as shakes or nausea. It is to avoid these consequences that an addict will keep using his or her substance. In addition to being addictive, nicotine is also a toxin (i.e. lethal if ingested in sufficient quantities.) Nicotine has been shown to have a negative effect on the heart and circulatory systems, causing a constriction in veins and arteries which may lead to a stroke or heart attack. In fact, nicotine is so poisonous that smokers who ignore their doctor's advice and continue to smoke while using dermal nicotine patches have managed to overdose and die of heart seizure. Many people think smoking marijuana is just as harmful as smoking tobacco, but this is not true. Those who hold that marijuana is equivalent to tobacco are misinformed. Due to the efforts of various federal agencies to discourage use of marijuana in the 1970's the government, in a fit of "reefer madness," conducted several biased studies designed to return results that would equate marijuana smoking with tobacco smoking, or worse. For example the Berkeley carcinogenic tar studies of the late 1970's concluded that "marijuana is one-and-a-half times as carcinogenic as tobacco." This finding was based solely on the tar content of cannabis leaves compared to that of tobacco, and did not take radioactivity into consideration. (Cannabis tars do not contain radioactive materials.) In addition, it was not considered that: 1) Most marijuana smokers smoke the bud, not the leaf, of the plant. The bud contains only 33% as much tar as tobacco. 2) Marijuana smokers do not smoke anywhere near as much as tobacco smokers, due to the psychoactive effects of cannabis. 3) Not one case of lung cancer has ever been successfully linked to marijuana use. 4) Cannabis, unlike tobacco, does not cause any narrowing of the small air passageways in the lungs. In fact, marijuana has been shown to be an expectorant and actually dilates the air channels it comes in contact with. This is why many asthma sufferers look to marijuana to provide relief. Doctors have postulated that marijuana may, in this respect, be more effective than all of the prescription drugs on the market. Studies even show that due to marijuana's ability to clear the lungs of smog, pollutants, and cigarette smoke, it may actually reduce your risk of emphysema, bronchitis, and lung cancer. Smokers of cannabis have been shown to outlive non- smokers in some areas by up to two years. Medium to heavy tobacco smokers will live seven to ten years longer if they also smoke marijuana. Cannabis is also radically different from tobacco in that it does not contain nicotine and is not addictive. The psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, THC, has been accused of causing brain and genetic damage, but these studies have all been disproven. In fact, the DEA's own Administrative Law Judge Francis Young has declared that "marijuana in its natural form is far safer than many foods we commonly consume." The disturbing thing about all of this information is that the majority of Americans are as yet unaware of the radioactive risk in cigarettes. In fact, many professionals: doctors, scientists and health administrators, either have never heard of polonium 210 or consider it to be just another scare story. Why is this information so hard to come by? When the studies were first released in the late 70's, many magazines were unable to print articles because their main advertisers, cigarette companies, threatened to pull support if they published the facts. Although network news did pick up the story, virtually nothing came out in print. Those who heard were hard pressed to produce collaborating evidence, and were eventually convinced it was nothing to worry about. The power of the cigarette industry to suppress information goes far beyond magazines, however. A well financed tobacco lobby has been very active in the United States Congress for decades procuring subsidies and fighting laws and proposed research which could hurt the American tobacco industry. Tobacco interests practically own Senate and House seats, as many campaign contributions come from cigarette profits. Tobacco pay- offs also go to fund organizations such as the Partnership For A Drug Free America, which adopt a harsh anti-drug agenda yet seem to omit alcohol and tobacco (claiming they are harmless.) As an example, a 1984 law which was intended to require tobacco companies to release to the public a list of additives used in the manufacture of cigarettes was watered down to the extent that the list is now released only to the Department of Health and Human Services on the condition that it not be shown to anyone else. Companies have been known in the past to add chemicals to cigarettes for flavor, and, many assert, for their addictive properties. In Britain such chemicals have included acetone and turpentine, as well as an assortment of known carcinogens. Tobacco companies argue that revealing their 'secret ingredients' would hurt their competitiveness. In fact, when Canada passed legislation forcing additive lists to be released, one large company reformulated its recipe for its Canadian distribution; another took its product out of Canada entirely. Tobacco companies do not have the right to poison the public. Don't trust them. Get the information you need to make your own decisions, and restore government to the people. Another destructive aspect of the Drug War is the unreasonable measures taken as a result of "reefer madness." Because of the long standing anti-pot-smoking paranoia begun in the 1930's, many law enforcement agencies have taken it upon themselves to censor and limit the marijuana culture through whatever channels they can find. This includes the banning of various forms of drug "paraphernalia" (pipes, clips, rolling papers, etc.) Water pipes, or "bongs," are quite often the target of such efforts. Claiming that water pipes are constructed to allow marijuana smokers to inhale "dangerous" marijuana smoke deeper into their lungs, many states and towns have passed laws controlling the sale, manufacture, and possession of these items for "health" reasons. The sad fact is, water pipes have been shown to be extremely effective in removing harmful materials from smoke before it reaches the lungs. They also cool the smoke and prevent injury and irritation to lung passages. In effect, laws against water pipes hurt all smokers, cannabis and tobacco, by preventing the development of safer forms of consumption. Produced as a public service by the University of Massachusetts at Amherst Cannabis Reform Coalition Researched and written by Brian S. Julin [link to www.erowid.org] How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world? |
LifesReflections* User ID: 391695 United States 03/18/2008 03:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yea, tell that to my Mother who died in 1994 at the age of 54 with..... lung cancer.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 394958And the half a century (plus/minus) of her breathing in Diesel, car, and Factory fumes, did not play a part?? Just sayin. Well when you see them cough up huge amounts of blood, gasp for air, and die a most horrid death, then the Doctors tell you it is the cigarette, ok, perhaps not the tobacco per se, but,,,, SHE IS STILL DEAD FROM SMOKING... Success, like happiness, cannot be pursued. It must ensue. And it only does so as the unintended side effect of one's personal dedication to a cause greater than oneself.Victor Frank ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- Let Go and Let God... Live your life in such a way that when your feet hit the floor in the morning, Satan shudders & says... 'Oh crap....she's awake!!' |
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Agent Tray User ID: 333357 Canada 03/18/2008 03:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it wasnt the powers that be that wrote that and oh so sorry to offend by not putting in original thought.. i will go off now.. to offend other lame threads with pertinent info. How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world? |
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shyla User ID: 360119 United States 03/18/2008 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No matter what you do, you're still going to die. I don't care what kind of health you are in, if you watch what you eat, exercise daily, and never touch alcohol, drugs, or cigarettes you will still die. I am here to enjoy myself while I am alive. I smoke and I happen to believe the smell of smoke isn't nearly as bad as the pollution the chemical plant within a block from me emits. I believe the OP is onto something. Think back to the time of our grandparents and before. Many of them smoked and ate farm raised foods like eggs and bacon everyday. You just didn't hear of them dying from those lifestyles. So maybe it's not those things killing us persay. I do believe those things aren't that good for us but then again neither is walking down certain streets after dark. When you're time is up it's up. Would you rather be in perfect shape and health only to die of a heart attack at 25? It happens all the time. If that happened to me I'd be pissed I didn't live every day to the fullest and eat,smoke, and drink what I wanted to. Besides, who wants to live forever in a world as fucked up as this anyway? "Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely" -John Emerich Edward Dalberg-Acton “I was never really insane except upon occasions when my heart was touched.” -Edgar Allan Poe |
OP (OP) User ID: 394958 United States 03/18/2008 03:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it wasnt the powers that be that wrote that Quoting: Agent Trayand oh so sorry to offend by not putting in original thought.. i will go off now.. to offend other lame threads with pertinent info. Yeah it was. Vested interests. The world ain't what you think it is. Money, money, money. Look up who's behind Anti-smoking. Big Pharma. Lot of money in Quit smoking products ! Guess you can't handle the points I'm makin? |
Globalstar User ID: 390936 United States 03/18/2008 03:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then how come smokers can't run for shit. All of my friends smoke. Anytime they come to my apartment which is only on the 3 rd floor they are all out of wind by the time the get to my door. I on the other hand have no problems what so ever. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 201927I guess you hang around whith some pretty weak smokers then.. lol cus I smoke and run 3 miles almost every day on my treadmill. I also walk faster than anyone in any group I am in.. always being told to slow down. Never had any issues with stairs and I am in my late 30s |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 394958 United States 03/18/2008 03:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then how come smokers can't run for shit. All of my friends smoke. Anytime they come to my apartment which is only on the 3 rd floor they are all out of wind by the time the get to my door. I on the other hand have no problems what so ever. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 201927Let me see..............Cause mabbe you're USED to running up 3 flights o stair, and they aren't ?! Ever try that same test on non-smokers, or should I say "Pollution inhalers." :) |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 394958 United States 03/18/2008 03:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree with you OP, but I doubt they put the same ingredients in their smokes back then as we do these days. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 335844It would be interesting to see a health study of those who buy smokes and those who roll their own with known tobacco. Yeah, very good point ! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 394463 United Kingdom 03/18/2008 04:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP thats like Exxon Mobil saying OILs really bad for your car. The fag companys would love it to be healthy for you, and back it up with scientific evidence. Then they could advertise them and even stop priting "SMOKING KILLS YOU" in big bold print on their fag packs!!! STFU with your BULLSHIT. |
Globalstar User ID: 390936 United States 03/18/2008 04:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What I cant understand is that if smoking is so "bad" why is it still legal. We ban drugs like cocaine, heroin, PCP, weed.. and the like.. yet tobacco which they say is so "dangerous" is still legal. Why do you think that is.. if in fact, smoking is so "deadly" Don't be fooled.. this whole anti smoking craze is nothing more then a new world agenda litmus test for how much people are willing to have their personal autonomy taken away. |
OP (OP) User ID: 394958 United States 03/18/2008 04:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no argument possible to justify the dangers of commercial brands, they are carcinogenic and have unnecessary additives. Those who show pride in smoking will go out of their way and get the most natural stuff on the market. So if you are trying to defend regular brands, its like telling people fluoride toothpaste has benefits. The problem is that humanity is a bunch of losers with no self-awareness of what they put in their mouths. If you want to save yourself from cancer, then try reading a book about how cigarettes are made. Opinions and experience are influenced by societal bullshit and people that are trapped in denial, you must educate yourself or shut the fuck up. Quoting: edgar celadus 284955My choice, huh ? 1. Don't smoke commercial brands. (Smoke loose organic tobacco.) 2. Read my original post, this time mabbe with a fukin OPEN MIND ??! Lol.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 244644 United Kingdom 03/18/2008 04:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What I cant understand is that if smoking is so "bad" why is it still legal. Quoting: GlobalstarWe ban drugs like cocaine, heroin, PCP, weed.. and the like.. yet tobacco which they say is so "dangerous" is still legal. Why do you think that is.. if in fact, smoking is so "deadly" Don't be fooled.. this whole anti smoking craze is nothing more then a new world agenda litmus test for how much people are willing to have their personal autonomy taken away. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that. It's so blatantly obvious. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 394958 United States 03/18/2008 04:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's what Sir Raleigh believed in the 1600's anyway. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 326961Whats even more interesting is thats what an entire civilization, Native American Indians, still believe to this day, and have believed for 4000 years. Actually other civilizations believe this also. Indigenous tribes, etc. |
Mr Puff Puff Pappy User ID: 362179 United States 03/18/2008 04:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My dad died at the age of 89 (smoker) My Mother died at 90 (smoker) My Uncle died when he was 87 (heavy smoker) My 3 aunts, 85, 91, 87 (all smokers) All died of old age with the exception of my dad which died due to cancer that was dormant and became active due to a surgical intervention that addressed something else... poisons from lead based inks he used all his life in the print industry. I once heard a statistic on Buenos Aires for example. Standing in downtown Buenos Aires and breathing that air for an hour was the equivalent to smoking (3) three packs of cigarettes in an hour. Due to vehicle emissions (a lot of buses and taxis). The added chemicals may to harm, but I know for a fact that tobacco is harmless compared to working close to industrial emissions. I fully agree with the OP. Sure, smoking may seem nasty to many. But hey, what about alcohol? I find that much more offensive since my smoking a pack a day won't induce me to nearly pass out at the wheel possibly killing someone as alcohol abuse would. Burnt clothing? Sure, it happens, be more careful. Burnt car seats? Yep, don't smoke in your car, simple. |