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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Busiris was the location of the temple of the dead. It was also called Djedu. the book of the dead refers to the djed which is symbolic of the spine as Osiris was reembodied. You will find many symbols that represent the brain such as the eye of Horus (HOTH), and many famous artworks.
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Busiris was the location of the temple of the dead. It was also called Djedu. the book of the dead refers to the djed which is symbolic of the spine as Osiris was reembodied. You will find many symbols that represent the brain such as the eye of Horus (HOTH), and many famous artworks.
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Thanks....I'm interested in what you have found too!
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I just re-read this from Chaol's website:


"Many of us in my world use both abstract and mechanical devices to free ourselves from our physical bodies. Your world calls it brain uploading or substrate-independent mind but haven't figured out how to do it because the science is different. Life in our "altagraph" is not the same for each person, similar to how people in your world can lead a different online life."

[link to gumpylife.blogspot.com]





I thought Chaol was lucid dreaming to be here....now I'm thinking he was using one of the devices he mentions above.


And what does he mean by "altagraph"? And life in his world is not the same for each person....very interesting.
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Okay.....I tried to post this twice and GLP won't let me post the link......or the way I tried to disguise it!!!!!!!




3 days of server problems at GLP! redface



I expect it to straighten out....but if it doesn't, I'll be at (l)u? (n)! a (t) i? (c)........... <(o)ut>(p)o(s)t!!!!! (((((((((dot&com)))))))



just the letters....none of the symbols...and the thread will be, "Chaol's World"


(If this post doesn't work, I'll put the link in neuronicons!!!!!)




WHOOPS! I can't start a thread there, I can only post. Hopefully, someone else will start one there, if we can't get into GLP for a few days.


Edit: That other site (link is above) has had server problems today too! I dunno! 1dunno1

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Bump.

Can you feel home getting closer?
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Bump.

Can you feel home getting closer?
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I feel something pivotal is about to happen.

What do you mean by "home?" 4D?

Btw, thanks for posting. For some reason, it calms me.
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Bump.

Can you feel home getting closer?
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I feel something pivotal is about to happen.

What do you mean by "home?" 4D?

Btw, thanks for posting. For some reason, it calms me.
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Chaol is already in our home. We are getting close to being able to cross the bridge.
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Bump.

Can you feel home getting closer?
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I feel something pivotal is about to happen.

What do you mean by "home?" 4D?

Btw, thanks for posting. For some reason, it calms me.
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Chaol is already in our home. We are getting close to being able to cross the bridge.
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I thought our home is before Chaol's world.

Anyway.....
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Anybody think we got the bridge wide enough....so lots of folks will get through it?

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If anyone has had success in making something "not relevant", I would love to hear about it. I'm still thinking about this, myself.

As he says, ignoring it isn't the answer. I already know this, it doesn't work!
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Yes, definitely! It happens all the time and what is key is non-resistance. Thing is, I can hardly remember the things I have now made non-relevant!
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Do you remember HOW you made them non-relevant?
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I remember how I make things non-relevant....just let go.
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I just wanted to make a post so that I have a record of my progress/process with Neuronics and Genius Models. I've seen a constant development of my perceptual mapping over the last month using Genius Models that build on each other every step of the way through to my final desired perception.

The awesome job is still my final goal, and so far I've used progressive successful Genius Modeling to accomplish the successive steps of: Application, Application Acceptance, Invitation to Test for the Position, Successful Testing, Invitation to Interview, and finally--Successful Interview.

Now I'm just waiting on completion of B.Sun.Th.K.Ong-O.Z.J(dge) and have multiple Genius Models for 'up to' B.Sun.Th.K.Ong-O.Z.J(dge) and after B.sun.Th.K.Ong-O.Z.J(dge).

I'm getting there.

G.Dua
Or.En.B.K
Or.B.Sun
O.Z.J(dge)
B.Sun.Th.K.Ong-O.Z.J(dge)

YEAHHHHHH Buddy!!!!!
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Don't make me put a Genius on you....to get you back here to tell us what happened, heh! j/k or am I??????
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Seth: "Now there is a point within each of you, at this moment, in this room
at this time, that is a connection with all of reality that you can ever know
and this point is a point of feeling. Not of words, not of concepts, not of
trial and error, but the point of existence within you that is now present and
of which you are all aware. The point from which you run from morning until
evening. The point of reality within you that you try to escape because you are
afraid of reality and unwilling to accept the responsibilities of it and so you
form pseudo-realities.
>
> Now, this point is within you at this moment and each moment and it is a point
of feeling and awareness. Consciousness poised between exquisite points of
imbalance. A knowledge that sings above non-existence. A joy beyond all concept
and its threshold is your own feeling. You must learn, therefore, to accept the
feeling of any moment. To cut down the barriers, not between yourselves and
others, so much as the barriers that you have set up against yourselves. To
recognize within yourself the power that exists within you at any given moment
of your time, and do not look away from it. To examine one instant of your
feelings clearly, to some extent, is to realize what truth is and the truth is
emotional." ESP Session, Mar. 2 `71
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I found this and it kinda goes with that ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



The Early Sessions, Book 7, Session 309




"Other psychological structures beside your own have their being in realities you will find difficult to comprehend, even though they may be connected with your own, and you unknowingly, may be part of them. What you may term the reality of possibilities is an example. There are many yous in that system, and each you is related psychologically to a personality structure. The you that you know is a part of this. In this system, all the other yous seem to exist in a probable reality."

"To any of them, the others would seem to exist in a probable universe. Yet all of you are psychologically connected. This is literally endless. All of you did not have the same parents, for example, and these are portions of probable situations existing in your own parents' separate lives, as you think of their lives."

"In two probable realities, your mother, for example, did not have children. You do not exist in these. In some she married but not the man you know as your father. A psychological connection exits between the first son in that reality, and yourself."

"In some probable systems, you and your mother would both exist, do both exist, but as complete strangers, you see. Now these psychological connections are valid and not merely symbolically so. This self that you know has also set up and initiated probable realities of its own. I mean this literally, you see. I want to make this clear."

"Emotional charged feeling immediately set up what you may think of a tangent. It is expressed in some reality system. This is the inner nature of action. Those inner thoughts or desires, impulses not made physically real in your terms, will be made real within other systems."



I have no idea why I'm reading the Seth material instead of the rest of Chaol's threads, but I'll get back to it.
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VERY interesting...

[link to 67.55.50.201]
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Emerald Tablets offers the same thing (but a different path) as the Lilly organization:

[link to crystalinks.com]



"Now ye assemble, my children,
waiting to hear the Secret of Secrets
which shall give ye power to unfold the God-man,
give ye the way to Eternal life.

Plainly shall I speak of the Unveiled Mysteries.
No dark sayings shall I give unto thee.
Open thine ears now, my children.
Hear and obey the words that I give.
First I shall speak of the fetters of darkness
which bind ye in chains to the sphere of the Earth.
Darkness and light are both of one nature,
different only in seeming,
for each arose from the source of all.
Darkness is disorder.
Light is Order.

Darkness transmuted is light of the Light.
This, my children, your purpose in being;
transmutation of darkness to light.
Hear ye now of the mystery of nature,
the relations of life to the Earth where it dwells.
Know ye, ye are threefold in nature,
physical, astral and mental in one.
Three are the qualities of each of the natures;
nine in all, as above, so below.

In the physical are these channels,
the blood which moves in vortical motion,
reacting on the heart to continue its beating.
Magnetism which moves through the nerve paths,
carrier of energies to all cells and tissues.
Akasa which flows through channels,
subtle yet physical, completing the channels.
Each of the three attuned with each other,
each affecting the life of the body.

Form they the skeletal framework through
which the subtle ether flows.
In their mastery lies the Secret of Life in the body.
Relinquished only by will of the adept,
when his purpose in living is done.
Three are the natures of the Astral,
mediator is between above and below;
not of the physical, not of the Spiritual,
but able to move above and below.

Three are the natures of Mind,
carrier it of the Will of the Great One.
Arbitrator of Cause and Effect in thy life.
Thus is formed the threefold being,
directed from above by the power of four.

Above and beyond man's threefold nature
lies the realm of the Spiritual Self.
Four is it in qualities,
shining in each of the planes of existence,
but thirteen in one,
the mystical number.

Based on the qualities of man are the Brothers:
each shall direct the unfoldment of being,
each shall channels be of the Great One.

On Earth, man is in bondage,
bound by space and time to the earth plane.
Encircling each planet, a wave of vibration,
binds him to his plane of unfoldment.
Yet within man is the Key to releasement,
within man may freedom be found.

When ye have released the self from the body,
rise to the outermost bounds of your earth-plane.
Speak ye the word Dor-E-Lil-La.
Then for a time your Light will be lifted,
free may ye pass the barriers of space.

For a time of half of the sun (six hours),
free may ye pass the barriers of earth-plane,
see and know those who are beyond thee.
Yea, to the highest worlds may ye pass.
See your own possible heights of unfoldment,
know all earthly futures of Soul.

Bound are ye in your body,
but by the power ye may be free.
This is the Secret whereby bondage
shall be replaced by freedom for thee.
Calm let thy mind be.
At rest be thy body:
Conscious only of freedom from flesh.

Center thy being on the goal of thy longing.
Think over and over that thou wouldst be free.
Think of this word La-Um-I-L-Ganoover
and over in thy mind let it sound.
Drift with the sound to the place of thy longing.
Free from the bondage of flesh by thy will.

Hear ye while I give the greatest of secrets:
how ye may enter the Halls of Amenti,
enter the place of the immortals as I did,
stand before the Lords in their places.
Lie ye down in rest of thy body.

Calm thy mind so no thought disturbs thee.
Pure must ye be in mind and in purpose,
else only failure will come unto thee.

Vision Amenti as I have told in my Tablets.
Long with fullness of heart to be there.
Stand before the Lords in thy mind's eye.

Pronounce the words of power I give (mentally);
Mekut-El-Shab-El Hale-Sur-Ben-El-Zabrut Zin-Efrim-Quar-El.
Relax thy mind and thy body.
Then be sure your soul will be called.

Now give I the Key to Shambbalah,
the place where my Brothers live in the darkness:
Darkness but filled with Light of the Sun
Darkness of Earth, but Light of the Spirit,
guides for ye when my day is done.

Leave thou thy body as I have taught thee.
Pass to the barriers of the deep, hidden place.
Stand before the gates and their guardians.
Command thy entrance by these words:

I am the Light. In me is no darkness.
Free am I of the bondage of night.
Open thou the way of the Twelve and the One,
so I may pass to the realm of wisdom.

When they refuse thee, as surely they will,
command them to open by these words of power:
I am the Light. For me are no barriers.
Open, I command, by the Secret of Secrets
Edom-El-Ahim-Sabbert-Zur Adom.
Then if thy words have been Truth of the highest,
open for thee the barriers will fall.

Now, I leave thee, my children.
Down, yet up, to the Halls shall I go.
Win ye the way to me, my children.
Truly my brothers shall ye become.
Thus finish I my writings.

Keys let them be to those who come after.
But only to those who seek my wisdom,
for only for these am I the Key and the Way."
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New dream meet anyone? With a twist this time too. The main reason for my creation of this device is because we gain the ad- vantage of having a definite physical plane basis, and being a more stable link than a purely mental image.
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[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

New dream meet anyone? With a twist this time too. The main reason for my creation of this device is because we gain the ad- vantage of having a definite physical plane basis, and being a more stable link than a purely mental image.
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Count me in....and I'm headed over to the other thread! I like the idea of group events...one of the reasons being that when we put our minds together, I think we can come up with something that will really work....besides the obvious of being connected at some level.


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any luck with assigning values to your perceptions?
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any luck with assigning values to your perceptions?
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what do you mean?

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These are supposed to be WW2 monuments in Yugoslavia...but that's not what they look like to me. You be the judge.
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Anyone else completely amused by how ridiculous the reality being presented to us by the media is these days?
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have you seen the commercial on tv about chickenpox and shingles?
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REMEMBER:

Chaol told us to ask why we see lying in our perspective!
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I don't understand. You said that you can only interact with the representation of a Ferrari, never with the actual Ferrari, because the actual Ferrari doesn't exist. You also said that when you look at the moon (or something or SOMEONE else) you are just perceiving a value/relationship with the thing (or person)... I assumed that's because the person doesn't acutally exist. You also said that when you're in your living room, nothing exists outside your living room until you perceive it. That would mean that my husband and child don't really exist until they enter the living room where I can perceive them. In other words, other people don't actually exist. Am I getting this wrong? I'm totally confused now.
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To clarify!

It would mean that everything exists within your current perspective.

A "holographic universe", if you will.

The entire physical universe exists within your perception.

... you can say, because there is only perception.

Perception is real. Nothing exists outside of your perception.

Your husband is always in your perception. Every touch, smell, taste, thought, etc., entirely within your perception.

He exists as much as he could possibly exist and is as real as he could possibly be.

Everywhere you 'go', you bring your perception with you.

That is why nothing need exist outside of your perception.

It is not that your husband walks into the living room, but he is "walking into your perception". Or, better yet, you are changing your current perspective back to one with him in it.

Hope this helps a bit.
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First time I've seen Chaol use "holographic"...very helpful to me.

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Why do you choose to perceive this reality instead of the relatively enlightened reality where you come from?
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Greetings!

Perhaps the same reasoning behind a person who can afford to buy the biggest house but not doing so because it probably isn't in line with their values, desires, etc.

I don't think of it as a more enlightened reality. It's just different. I actually find this world more interesting. The possibilities are also more known to me than in some other places.

Also, the fifth element is the number 8 correct? The representation of infinity or that which cannot be perceived.Like a projection that will never have the ability to perceive the projector.
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The fifth element doesn't really exist. It is no number. If it was a number it would be 0.

Is there meaning attributed to the next set of numbers such as 13, 21, and so on?
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No meaning besides proportional value-within-value, to infinitum.

If you multiply a Fibonacci number by the first 3 values of Ecsys in sequence (123) you get an other, currently unknown, Fibonacci number series hiding inside of it.

For example the 33rd Fibonacci number (3,524,578) plus the 13th number (233) divided by 123 is the 23rd Fibonacci number (28,657). Within that there is an other hidden series, and so on.

The meaning of the Fibonacci series is not really in "13, 21, 34, 55" etc., but in these hidden values.

Is the golden ratio a part of our perspective or all possible perspectives? Meaning that the is a universal constant.
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The golden ratio represents a value that other perspectives interpret for themselves. Even within your perspective it is this way, and not called such.

Other than that I can only say that most perspectives that I know about do not use mathematics as we know it. I cannot begin to explain how this is possible using English.

Though...

We think we are measuring time when we are actually measuring the movements of a clock.

We think we are measuring space when we are actually measuring the yardstick.

And maths is the structure of our perception, not the ultimate reality.

Also, it seems with your vast perspective experiences you would be able to move into the next level of perception, why do you remain here?


Love your thought process btw
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That's the same thing I could ask all of you.

We're all capable of so much more, but there is value in each reality. And life can be interesting anywhere. Sometimes you can just decide to stay in the place most comfortable to you, not necessarily the most advanced.

Thanks.
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MATH POST, MATH POST!!!!!!

According to Chaol, math is the structure of our perception, not the ultimate reality!!!!! (I thought math is the ultimate reality!)

Edit: Look what I found:
Thread: I found a pattern in Fibonacci numbers....this is probably known already, but it not, here you go....

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<<What happens when you die? Does your perspective end and a new one begin? Is it on the same "Earth"? Or do you experience a completely new perspective? I will ask this specific question since a person who posted awhile ago was too vague. Clearly there are dimensional or probability travelers like yourself. Lets just call you a perspective slider. Is it possible to physically travel to another reality through a wormhole or other spatial fold? Are there extraterrestrial beings in this reality? Meaning beings that evolved on other planets and travel here on ships. Are there extraterrestrial dimensional travelers visiting this reality? Meaning they evolved on another planet besides Earth in a parallel reality then discovered the technology to travel dimensionally.

Thanks!>>
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Hello!

"Death" is a drastic change of perspective. Nothing ever truly dies, as perspectives don't die.

When you "die" you just change perspective. Or, rather, "float" from one relative perspective to the next. You're doing it at each moment. But sometimes these shifts line up with other shifts and then it seems like the spirit is gone from the body.

If you mean me, I'm not sure. There's no one set experience of "death" so there's no one answer.

About wormholes or spatial folds, I know next to no thing. Such things aren't necessary to travel to other places. But when things haven't been invented "yet" then all manner of fantastical solutions are invented. Any point in your perspective can be highly relative to an other point seemingly far away.

What do you mean by extraterrestrial beings? Are clouds such beings? How about certain kinds of light? Air pressure? Other phenomenon? All these things are ignored while the search for extra-terrestrial life continues. It's all right under our noses. We're probably looking more for ourselves rather than beings from other worlds. This world is far, far from ready for such revelations. Better to discover the 99% of life on Earth that has not yet been.

"Planets" only matter when you come from planets. But visitors from other worlds similar to Earth don't really make it here that often, save for those from Earth and its relative worlds. The vast majority of "extra terrestrial beings" that visit are from Earth, technically-speaking. There are many, many Earths.

Some Earths are quite relative. You could be from an other yourself and not know it. Some Earths are not so relative to this one. All are linked.

Hope this helps a bit
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Why do you find this reality interesting?
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Good question!

Basically, I like the people. I've met some really nice people here. Not to say there aren't nice people in other places but I've got to live somewhere, I suppose.

Thanks.
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Interesting!
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Chaol doesn't talk about emotions much. I'm just now realizing I don't find posts about it.

Hmmmmmm, will write a note to look for that while I read his threads!
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Chaol doesn't talk about emotions much. I'm just now realizing I don't find posts about it.

Hmmmmmm, will write a note to look for that while I read his threads!
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Chaol doesn't talk about emotions much. I'm just now realizing I don't find posts about it.

Hmmmmmm, will write a note to look for that while I read his threads!
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What do you mean?


Here's something I found that Chaol said.....
Thread: Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality) (Page 3)


"Perceptions are feelings.

The most-relative parts of you may not feel these things because the less-relative parts already express these feelings.

They're still your perceptions, even if you don't agree with them.

You don't need to feel it, as other 'parts of you' are feeling it for you."

"We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
There is a series of books called, Right Use of Will...it's all about clearing emotions so your will is free......ACIM teaches the same thing but these books go into what happens to the energy when it's not released....and it's not a pretty sight, let me tell ya.

Remember Chaol saying we are making the crop circles? That's just a small hint about what happens to the energy. And, you have to read the books to find out more. I don't remember anything except it seems like dinosaurs were mentioned. (I read some of them years ago.)


Seth talks about it too:

"When the ego impedes such expression, then the emotions are translated into other actions, and can turn into impediments."

Anyway, this video is a reading of a small part of the first book:







Edit: Btw, I'm not saying I agree with everything in this series. And the books have to be read in order. Also, they are written to trigger our emotions. Many people throw the books away, etc:.

Here's the website:
[link to www.rightuseofwill.com]

Someone else talking about it:
[link to summerjoy.com]

Last Edited by ERE3 on 03/07/2013 09:34 AM
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