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I am the real John Lear...ask me a question

 
CasualObserver

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Hi John,
Do you think this is real or CGI?
This video was shot in New Mexico and shows a UFO landing at an air force base. Towards the end, you will see a USAF insignia on the craft.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11754919


That is realy well done! [I'd be proud of it.] Masking is superb. The insignia and flashing light is the only element that doesnt sit right with me. Seems it is not an aircraft that is required to comply with international standards?

Regards the USAF insignia, I am trying to recall 'on what' and exactly 'where' (physically)it can be used. As a logo there are rules for placement. I wonder if they are followed in this instance?

:( I've become such a skeptic these days....
 Quoting: BadHairDay


My first impression is to say fake / CGI.

However a long time friend that was in the Air Force told me
about seeing craft being tested at Wright Pat that would rise above the buildings, hover, and then descend.

He said people would stop on the highway to watch it.

He was in the AF back in the late 80s. 1dunno1

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BTW, John, is there any possible way I could get your phone number? I can give you an email. I had wanted to ask you about a particular experience I had. Hit me up if you feel like it.
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BTW, John, is there any possible way I could get your phone number? I can give you an email. I had wanted to ask you about a particular experience I had. Hit me up if you feel like it.
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Shoot me your email:

[email protected]
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Hey John, does Jax want to interview me ? I hate to keep asking you , maybe I should just let it go ?
When you die you will find out that John Lear was right .....Hoss
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John ,what in the hell does the Navy need with this weapon for ?Don't they have something way beyond this:ie orbiting weapons platforms?
[link to www.navsea.navy.mil]

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When you die you will find out that John Lear was right .....Hoss
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Hey HOSS, I reckon it's a bit like the movie/series StarGate.

The enemy has all these amazing beam weapons etc, but good old mechanical bullets end up saving the day many a time as they are impervious to electronic interference. (at least on the show!)

The rail gun can be loaded with a number of different billets (not bullets) that will yield differt distance, kinetic energy, dispersent field, heat, penetrating ability etc. Plus the electromagnetic properties of both the projectile and the 'wave' produced by the gun itself.

BTW, where they were testing it, folks all up and down the coast reported large booms etc, so it aint a stealth weapon of any sort!! LOL.

Oh, another thing. Just cos they're testing it here on earth doesnt mean it cant be used in space! (eventaully)
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John ,what in the hell does the Navy need with this weapon for ?Don't they have something way beyond this:ie orbiting weapons platforms?
[link to www.navsea.navy.mil]
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Of course but the satelites are secret. They have to have a weapon that is public they can attribute the kill to.

You know like hitting the World Trade Center with an Arab?
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John ,what in the hell does the Navy need with this weapon for ?Don't they have something way beyond this:ie orbiting weapons platforms?
[link to www.navsea.navy.mil]
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Of course but the satelites are secret. They have to have a weapon that is public they can attribute the kill to.

You know like hitting the World Trade Center with an Arab?
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exacly.
"a foundation built on lies is always bound to crumble and those who aren't humble shall tumble to the earth"
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John

It took me about three days to grin an' scratch my head through your thread. I have had a great trip. Thanks for the fun and info. Wish I would have known about your whereabouts when I was camping around Vegas last month. Your thread has been way more fun than Circus Circus.

I have a bunch of things I would like to bounce off of you, but the one below is the most interesting to me. In fact it's sort of been on my "meat sack's" mind for about 40 years.

Perhaps your biggest hoax of all is not on your hoax list; I am talking about your belief (like Mr. Baldin's) that there is coincidence or fate, or chance, or maybe even free will, that everything in our individual lives is already written, planned, filmed. I am not arguing with this idea, just trying to comprehend the implications of the idea. What is the difference, for example, between saying "I did not have a choice" and "I could not have done otherwise." No difference it seems according to you. When we burn our fingers on a match and say, "ouch." This seems like an autonomic response, like ducking when a ball is throw at your head. But, it seems to me, you are implying that all of our decisions in life, like stealing, cheating, lying, etc. are sort of like burning your finger on a match and saying "ouch". You cannot escape saying "ouch" any more than you can escape the exact circumstances of your own death or the weaknesses of your own humanity. Seems to me this is like saying you could not have done otherwise in anything you decide to do, there really was no free will, that free will is also an illusion. If life is an illusion so is free will, chance and coincidence.

So, we are forced to return to our prison on Earth until we learn integrity and how to live without greed, envy and hatred. And to show love. From what you say, it seems like we are sorta like under the influence of Shaver's dero and the deck is stacked against us. Seems like the Contradiction Blues. To reach the higher realms like some old Gnostic, which I think you really are, we have to make some sort of decision to change and at that fateful moment when we make that decision, aren't we using free will? If not, do we really deserve to advance to the higher realms of being?

All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages. At first the infant,
Mewling and puking in the nurse's arms.
And then the whining school-boy, with his satchel
And shining morning face, creeping like snail
Unwillingly to school. And then the lover,
Sighing like furnace, with a woeful ballad
Made to his mistress' eyebrow. Then a soldier,
Full of strange oaths and bearded like the pard,
Jealous in honour, sudden and quick in quarrel,
Seeking the bubble reputation
Even in the cannon's mouth. And then the justice,
In fair round belly with good capon lined,
With eyes severe and beard of formal cut,
Full of wise saws and modern instances;
And so he plays his part. The sixth age shifts
Into the lean and slipper'd pantaloon,
With spectacles on nose and pouch on side,
His youthful hose, well saved, a world too wide
For his shrunk shank; and his big manly voice,
Turning again toward childish treble, pipes
And whistles in his sound. Last scene of all,
That ends this strange eventful history,
Is second childishness and mere oblivion,
Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything.

And then we gotta do it all over again until we learn to do it right. But, Somebody has to teach us don't they?
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John

And then we gotta do it all over again until we learn to do it right. But, Somebody has to teach us don't they?
 Quoting: campinginamerica 4930012



You have a very firm grasp of what I have posted.

Welcome to reality.

Oh, BTB, having 'freewill' is kind of like living in a 'free country' and 'all men are created equal'.

All three of these cushy human ideals and many more like them come with a usually unstated qualification which is:

<drum roll> "Within obvious limits that are occasionally not so obvious."
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Hi John,

I want to say thank you for all the information you've shared over the years. I've recently finished watching your Camelot interview for the second time and really got a wealth of resources from it.

Have you been reading Clark McClelland's chapters on his site? I've had a look at the previews of them and it seems to be mind-blowing stuff. You said in the Camelot interview he is the real deal. Please comment.

(I haven't read this whole thread so if you've already been asked this question can someone tell me what page it's on)
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Hi John,

I want to say thank you for all the information you've shared over the years. I've recently finished watching your Camelot interview for the second time and really got a wealth of resources from it.

Have you been reading Clark McClelland's chapters on his site? I've had a look at the previews of them and it seems to be mind-blowing stuff. You said in the Camelot interview he is the real deal. Please comment.

(I haven't read this whole thread so if you've already been asked this question can someone tell me what page it's on)
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Yes, Clark knows a lot of stuff.

Having been so close to the program he must know
that the Apollo missions were faked. But he also knows
that to talk about THAT would be his death warrant.
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Hi John,

Haven't been here in awhile because I was banned...don't know why, but I'm posting from a different place anyway.

Just checking in to say hello. I'm glad you're still posting and I hope you are well.

Also, glad to see you still have the same pic in your signature. ;-)


I'm going to try and catch up on your posts from the last month or so.

Take care,

Michael
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Just watched the latest video of bob dean, he says there are two main factions of aliens competing right now for the planet, one somewhat malevolent,the other benevolent.Both of these have had subgroups go against the grain. He says a third party showed up not to long ago and told both sides to chill out,this third party being alot higher spiritually.The other two parties are still allowed to manipulate to a point,but have been reigned in so we can develop spiritually.What is your take on this
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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Mr. Lear,

Good evening. Has your interest been captured or otherwise excited by the solar flare story hitting the mainstream media tonight? Any idea if there are any not-so obvious connections or possible sleight-of-hand maneuvering away from something we shouldnt be paying attention to?

Like Lake Vostok... which leads me to ask, and sorry if you've dealt with this too much already, but what sort of anomaly or energetic singularity might exist down there that they are so keen on keeping quiet?

Thank you as always.
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Oh, BTB, having 'freewill' is kind of like living in a 'free country' and 'all men are created equal'.

All three of these cushy human ideals and many more like them come with a usually unstated qualification which is:

<drum roll> "Within obvious limits that are occasionally not so obvious."



[link to www.effective-mind-control.com]

[link to atheism.about.com]

The above two websites fairly show the disagreement between free will and determinism.

Seems to me that you are implying that the world we are born into here on planet earth is basically telling us an ET lie from the beginning to the end of our life , which makes the deterministic camp easy to pitch your tent in. Determinism fits with conspiracy theorists quite well and would also explain your position on the subject.

It also seems that everything affecting us for good and bad is subliminal operating through genetic left overs.

Seems like, only when we can can see through the veil of the 3d world and cast off the security blanket of swallowed lies can we start to live in a world where it might be possible to exercise free will.

Personally, I think this can only happen through some kind of system designed to nurture the free will possibility, or someone has to intercede on our behalf.

If you think about ET and their abilities, seems like they do operate in a hive mentality as has been said, in a world even more deterministic as ours and perhaps this is because they lack emotions. This would be the reason why it is so important to show love. I don't think they can. Do you?
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McClelland....

Having been so close to the program he must know
that the Apollo missions were faked. But he also knows
that to talk about THAT would be his death warrant.
 Quoting: johnlear


He goes several steps further though, which in my opinion discredits him or at least indicates his info is skewed :

[link to www.stargate-chronicles.com]

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Hello John,

Do you have any idea what these objects are around the sun?

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Hiya John. I was digging around for more info on this mothership crap, as I wanted to see what you were supposedly flying on. LOL.

During the course of my digging, I found some black project stuff on a Boeing project called "Mother Ship". It also goes by the name of Super X-70 or Buzzard.

Buzzard is high altitude, and in the same group that Aurora apparently belongs to. (apparently using methane as propellent)

The patented drawings, from Boeing, show a very large aircraft that looks remarkably similar to the cute little Space Ship One done by Burt Rutan and his team.

Being a conspiracy nut, it got me thinking that could the SSO have been designed/inspired to conseal testing of the Boeing project? Plausable deniability? Coincidentally, they were born the same time, and flight tested the same time.

Coincidence or plausible do you think?

PS - I do dig any and all things Rutan. Only from the outside, I know nothing of the organisation, or the man.
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McClelland....

Having been so close to the program he must know
that the Apollo missions were faked. But he also knows
that to talk about THAT would be his death warrant.
 Quoting: johnlear


He goes several steps further though, which in my opinion discredits him or at least indicates his info is skewed :

[link to www.stargate-chronicles.com]
 Quoting: JoinTheFun



Whoops.

Clark may have done what he said he did but there should be a lot of 'weird things that happened' at the Cape.

Clark didn't have to be told that the moon landing were fake to realize that there were plenty of 'fishy' things going on.

That he is not sharing any of those 'fishy' things with us makes me wonder.
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Seems to me that you are implying that the world we are born into here on planet earth is basically telling us an ET lie from the beginning to the end of our life , which makes the deterministic camp easy to pitch your tent in. Determinism fits with conspiracy theorists quite well and would also explain your position on the subject.

It also seems that everything affecting us for good and bad is subliminal operating through genetic left overs.

Seems like, only when we can can see through the veil of the 3d world and cast off the security blanket of swallowed lies can we start to live in a world where it might be possible to exercise free will.

Personally, I think this can only happen through some kind of system designed to nurture the free will possibility, or someone has to intercede on our behalf.

If you think about ET and their abilities, seems like they do operate in a hive mentality as has been said, in a world even more deterministic as ours and perhaps this is because they lack emotions. This would be the reason why it is so important to show love. I don't think they can. Do you?
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Would love to respond but this (the above) is way above my pay grade.

I stick to living with integrity; and without envy, hate and greed, not trying to figure how that may play into or out off an alien plot.
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Hiya John. I was digging around for more info on this mothership crap, as I wanted to see what you were supposedly flying on. LOL.

During the course of my digging, I found some black project stuff on a Boeing project called "Mother Ship". It also goes by the name of Super X-70 or Buzzard.

Buzzard is high altitude, and in the same group that Aurora apparently belongs to. (apparently using methane as propellent)

The patented drawings, from Boeing, show a very large aircraft that looks remarkably similar to the cute little Space Ship One done by Burt Rutan and his team.

Being a conspiracy nut, it got me thinking that could the SSO have been designed/inspired to conseal testing of the Boeing project? Plausable deniability? Coincidentally, they were born the same time, and flight tested the same time.

Coincidence or plausible do you think?

PS - I do dig any and all things Rutan. Only from the outside, I know nothing of the organisation, or the man.
 Quoting: BadHairDay


Unlikely you will find anything, past, present or future Boeing or anybody else that is real. I remember someting about Buzzard but can't remember what. Maybe you can post the photo.
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Just watched the latest video of bob dean, he says there are two main factions of aliens competing right now for the planet, one somewhat malevolent,the other benevolent.Both of these have had subgroups go against the grain. He says a third party showed up not to long ago and told both sides to chill out,this third party being alot higher spiritually.The other two parties are still allowed to manipulate to a point,but have been reigned in so we can develop spiritually.What is your take on this
 Quoting: shadasonic



There is nothing, nobody, no alien or subgroup that can effect, affect or influence or keep us in any way from developing spiritually.

It doesn't matter whether or not good aliens, bad aliens, or middle class aliens are in control.

We alone determine how we develop spiritually.
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Just watched the latest video of bob dean, he says there are two main factions of aliens competing right now for the planet, one somewhat malevolent,the other benevolent.Both of these have had subgroups go against the grain. He says a third party showed up not to long ago and told both sides to chill out,this third party being alot higher spiritually.The other two parties are still allowed to manipulate to a point,but have been reigned in so we can develop spiritually.What is your take on this
 Quoting: shadasonic



There is nothing, nobody, no alien or subgroup that can effect, affect or influence or keep us in any way from developing spiritually.

It doesn't matter whether or not good aliens, bad aliens, or middle class aliens are in control.

We alone determine how we develop spiritually.
 Quoting: johnlear


Thanks John!
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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Thank you for posting, John. It is fabulous thread and I have learned a great deal.

Would you be kind enough to post on the subject of suicide?
Given what I have read -- we choose to come to this planet and 'wear' our 'meat sacks' during our time here-- given this statement, re: choice, do we not have that same 'choice' to leave our bodies if we are unstatisfied with the way things are going? Should suicide be undertaken then, where does one go? The 'same place' as one who dies without conscience action?

Thank you very much for you kind reply.
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Thank you for posting, John. It is fabulous thread and I have learned a great deal.

Would you be kind enough to post on the subject of suicide?
Given what I have read -- we choose to come to this planet and 'wear' our 'meat sacks' during our time here-- given this statement, re: choice, do we not have that same 'choice' to leave our bodies if we are unstatisfied with the way things are going? Should suicide be undertaken then, where does one go? The 'same place' as one who dies without conscience action?

Thank you very much for you kind reply.
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Are you seriously asking this man if suicide is a viable option ?
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Thank you for posting, John. It is fabulous thread and I have learned a great deal.

Would you be kind enough to post on the subject of suicide?
Given what I have read -- we choose to come to this planet and 'wear' our 'meat sacks' during our time here-- given this statement, re: choice, do we not have that same 'choice' to leave our bodies if we are unstatisfied with the way things are going? Should suicide be undertaken then, where does one go? The 'same place' as one who dies without conscience action?

Thank you very much for you kind reply.
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I don't know a lot about a lot of things, but one thing I do know is you are not expected to give up ,its not part of the deal. You came "here" with a contract
so if you commit suicide you are breaching the contract.

To use another analogy, the is a big penalty for early withdrawl.
When you die you will find out that John Lear was right .....Hoss
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Hmmm....a big penalty for early withdrawl?

As in having to repeat this entire-as-we-know-it-to-be-world?

If believing that we choose our entry into this present day and 'the' gift of this world is free will...does it not seems plausable that we can also choose our exit? If the 'penalty' is simply a complete repeat of this life - for I do not suscribe to the biblical hell - then what true penalty is there, if one is resigned to repeat?

Who issues this penalty? Ones self, I guess and from what I can come up with, the repeat life blends itself into a new life and the only penalty would be an even more difficult next life than the one just left. Whether on earth or not. Whether one time line or not and with one's soul family,possible soul mate and possibly twin soul. So as far as I can see, taking one's life may be justified if this life's contract is not going as one perseves it should and decides to end it. Sometimes, enough is enough.

Thank you for reading this and sharing with me your thoughts.
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If any of you are still infected with the belief that any
Apollo Mission went to the moon please read any 2 of
the 5 books below and you will be cured:

Dark Moon Bennett/Percy

One Small Step Wisnewski

Moongate William L. Brian

NASA Mooned America Rene

We Never Went To the Moon Bill Kaysing


If you read all five you will be an authority
on the Apollo Mission hoax.
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Im trying to catch up on your posts. Pleas let me know if youve already posted anyhting regarding my question:

Richard C Hoagland's moon theories?

He says nasa is behind the fake moon landing theory in order to cover up what they found there...glass buildings and such
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Hmmm....a big penalty for early withdrawl?

As in having to repeat this entire-as-we-know-it-to-be-world?

If believing that we choose our entry into this present day and 'the' gift of this world is free will...does it not seems plausable that we can also choose our exit? If the 'penalty' is simply a complete repeat of this life - for I do not suscribe to the biblical hell - then what true penalty is there, if one is resigned to repeat?

Who issues this penalty? Ones self, I guess and from what I can come up with, the repeat life blends itself into a new life and the only penalty would be an even more difficult next life than the one just left. Whether on earth or not. Whether one time line or not and with one's soul family,possible soul mate and possibly twin soul. So as far as I can see, taking one's life may be justified if this life's contract is not going as one perseves it should and decides to end it. Sometimes, enough is enough.

Thank you for reading this and sharing with me your thoughts.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12189306


there are other places in the universe to reincarnate in , some better, some worse
If you breach the contract I don't see how you would rate a reward or upgrade.

In other words ,it will keep getting harder untill you learn not to give up and complete the contract.
When you die you will find out that John Lear was right .....Hoss





GLP