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I hope, then, that everyone will see that the word "groan" has nothing to do with some special "prayer language."

Hey, you are twisting my words once again. Not gonna play that game, you are good at it.

no one claimed it did. Salt was maintaining that the Spirit only spoke in human language, ever, I was pointing out differently, and in fact the verse does state that He utters deep feeling sounds to God on our behalf when we pray in the Spirit. No one knows what language the Spirit speaks, it's a mystery

Oh, then this will be easy to resolve. So am I correct in saying that you do not believe that speaking in unknown tongues is supported by scripture?

Edit: too many "nots"

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please re phrase as you have a double negative

you won't find any scripture that says servants of God need to speak unknown languages/syllables in our prayers. there aren't any. there is not one jot or tittle within scripture that states that the Holy Spirit gives us unknown syllables in our prayers to speak within our private prayers or prayers over others.


so, really, don't bother because there are none.
i'm not playing a game. i'm trying to save you from dancing with devils another day or teaching others to do the same.

i do NOT play games when it comes to this kind of stuff
never. God holds us all accountable.

See above. I corrected it but not soon enough!

So am I correct in saying that you do not believe that speaking in unknown tongues is not supported by scripture

still unclear, but all I can do is read the bible and go from there. If one speaks in tongues, then someone must interpret so that the whole church is edified, what is the point of edifying oneself? Isnt that what Paul said?
Also tongues is the least gift, why desire it? Other gifts, preaching, teaching, are more desireable.

We also must try the spirits to see if they are of God or not.

I do not play games either. I said last night after 30 plus years of having this gift, do you not think I can speak to the authenticity of it?

And what do you use this gift for?

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i don't care if you and all of your ancestors spoke it for generations upon generations. if you can't support it with scripture then you are not doing God's work

show me the scriptural support
otherwise, i call BS

I pray to God, just me and Him.

Is that what Scripture says spiritual gifts are for?

Yes, it also mentions it can be used in church but should only be used when someone who has the gift of interpretation is there. I spend most of my time in the old testament, so really don't remember what all the new testament has to say. I don't go to church, so have never been around an interpreter.

oh this is interesting
the intercession of the Holy Spirit, taken from OT scriptures, before Christ died and was resurrected

lol....

my man, you are pulling this stuff right out of your hiney

drop the pride and take correction

Well, we can leave it at that, then. But I'm sad that you've chosen not to be part of a church.

That is not what I said! You heed your own advice. All you do is twist my words. There is nothing about it in the OT. Boy, you like to stir people up for your page count. You can count me out!

lol... whatever man
i would think that since you base your prayer life and believe that God REQUIRES this of you that you would at least have one or two scriptures worked to memory that you base your entire core belief structure on. especially since, as you said, you've been doing it for 30 years.

you give me and this thread nothing
you base your core beliefs on something you can't even direct us to scripturally in any way.

scary as hell.

i would strongly suggest you know more about what you are doing before you encourage other people to do it.

I cant see anything wrong with this, after all we are to go in our closets and pray alone. And I also don't see where the poster said it was in the OT. He said he reads mostly the OT.
However, God's Spirit rested on men in those days and yes holy men spoke as inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Word twister! You should be a politician because you are a master of turning words around. I never said God requires this of me, why do you twist my words. Thankfully, I don't require your approval for anything I do. So pat yourself on the back for beating down another christian Salt. Is that how you get your jolly's?

Ok, I may have mis spoke there. However it does not make it any less real and just because you do not have it I think it is unfair of you to condemn those of us that do. It is clearly biblical. Read Corinthians 13 and 14. It is right there. It is real. You said you had discernment, well that is a gift, so wth?

there are many gifts of the spirit
spiritual discernment is one of them of which i think i have, but also every Christian has on some level. some use it for ministry, some don't. i do.

jibberish, glossolalia, unknown ga-ga, mish-mash syllables is NOT SCRIPTURAL and it is not the spiritual gifts of speaking in tongues.

link your jibberjabber to scripture. do it. corinthians 1 and 14 says nothing about speaking in jibberish.

it does, however, clearly define "tongues" as
he language or dialect used by a particular people distinct from that of other nations

Paul does not mean "speak in the tongues of angels" as that we ACTUALLY have the ability to do this. he is being glib, in a sense, by saying that NO MATTER WHAT LANGUAGE WE SPEAK, if we don't do it with love we are just making noise.

noise... interesting segway. because that is exactly what pentacostal tongue babble is. LOVELESS NOISE!

in all fairness to the poster, and to Salt, this is an individual who had a spiritual experience that is between him and God. I have had several, none involve speaking in tongues, so I know they are real.
He is not going to a charismatic church and jumping around, barking like a dog and falling down unconscious on the floor. He's not trying to impress anyone with how holy he is.

what he has is between him and God. David worshiped by singing and playing instruments, as did the Hebrews. I cant do that, but I wouldn't say what they and God had was not real.

Who said I speak jibberish. You did. How would you know? I speak a language as I said yesterday, I do not know it, it is a miracle from God, as I don't recall hitting my head or anything. You keep trying to put words in my mouth. I speak in the tongues, get over yourself.

well, this is hopeless
go ahead and speak in your made up unknown jibberish language to talk to God. i did my best to help and you don't want it. there is no miracle happening to you. the only miracle that could happen is that God opens your eyes to the truth and you stop praying as the ancient pagans did with their vain babbling and many repetitive words and sounds.

i have fulfilled my part by trying to bring you solid correction and teaching and you aren't having it.

this reminds me of the story of the guy stranded in the middle of the ocean and asks God to help him and all these boats come by and ask him if he needs help and he keeps saying no because he is waiting for God to help him in some big fancy miraculous way.

you are the guy in the ocean, i am the girl in the boat.

God bless you, man. good night to you.

SALT I play guitar and sing very very well and also do art work on professional and fine art levels-- I fell blessed especially when people have given me standing ovations for performances over the years. I sometimes sing gospel I am most curious your thoughts on music and art as talents and best used in terms of a believer. I do play bars and nightclubs -but as I said before I am seeking and it has been a long road-I also like how you can stand your ground on your knowledge etc. - I guess I am asking how best to use my talents as I have ask God this many times -still don't know.

I wonder how many here attend churches where "Christian Rock" music is played? Personally I don't think there is such a creature and I'd walk out of there as fast as I would a Toronto Blessing experience. It's all jibberish and testing of the spirits time for me. And loveless noise.

But I understand a lot of churches go in for that sort of thing, don't see anything wrong with it, and oh yeah, their kid plays in the band, and that's why it's good.

whatever you do, in everything you do, do it all for the glory of God.