Sandy Hook: What gunman took Kaitlin Roig's cellphone?

Hmmm, I'm not sure that Roig was the teacher who called Vest. Vest's friend reported in 00098615 that the teacher who called Vest was in the "first classroom" and that the substitute teacher was in the "second classroom."

Well, check out 00252717.pdf in Book 5. According to that interview, there was also a substitute teacher in whatever room Pisani was in. So Vest may have been talking to a teacher who was at the other end of the north hallway.

Somewhere in the NPD audio that day is a transmission by an officer about "possible evidence behind the school." I think someone said that might be a black bag, but it's never mentioned in the audio; could also be the phone.


CFS 1200704559
BOOK 6
00001362

CSP Bukowski Statement
Explored woodline and area behind playground
nothing found until Rear gate of playground usually locked with chain. Chain was cut and there was a black pouch on ground. He states it looked suspicious. Pouch looked like a glove pouch usually issued to law enforcement. No explanation ever given

i missed something.. who is Vest? and what is his story?

Kaitlin M deBellis

Is the poster here who saw a class project on Ms. Roig's page showing several names of students?

Vest is a former custodian whom one of the teachers called during or soon after the shooting. Somebody posited earlier in the thread that Roig was the teacher who called him, but I think it may have been a different teacher.

in CFS 1200704597 / 00118939.pdf / p28


there is a iPhone in room 10


"On the desk was an iPhone in a pink case with an associated phone number of [XXX] .There was a brown purse adjacent to the east side of the desk that had driver's license #[XXX] in the name of Victoria L. Soto (d.o.b. [XXX])."


so my question why to redact "number of XXX"
and why not the name of the driver's licence.

what could take place there?

thanks

00098615 "the teacher in the first classroom" told him this. She told him there was a "substitute teacher in the second classroom" who was fumbling for keys.

Just noticed the significance of that second statement.

Sub in the 2nd classroom?

Something's really up here with these rooms.

From p3 of this thread:

Here are the documents pertaining to this Vest individual so far:

00098615-RoigTalkedAboutRousseauKey

In this document, a friend of Vest tells Newtown police that Vest spoke with Roig, and that Roig informed Vest she heard shots, and that a substitute teacher in the second classroom was "fumbling for a key in an emergency folder."

The second document is:

00098624-RoigTalksToFormerCustodianVestWhoFliesBack

Vest calls Newtown and tells them he's flying to Connecticut to see Roig; upon arrival, NPD tell him that since they've already received his statement via phone, they don't need to interview him.

There's a third document somewhere regarding "a male who claims to be XXXX's boyfriend and his flying back to see her; he's aware she's engaged, and she's aware he's coming." Will try to find.

Check out 00252717.pdf in Book 5. According to that interview, there was also a substitute teacher in whatever room Pisani was in.

I think Vest may have been talking to a teacher at the other end of the north hallway.

See my posts at the bottom of pg 21.

thanks i'm going to read this

please dont forget to refer which book pdf come from ;)

"....XXXXX [Vest] mentioned that he used to be a janitor at the Sandy Hook Elementary School. [Vest] also stated that the teacher in the first room was named xxxxxxx and that xxxxxxxxxxxxx. Vest told xxxxx that he spoke to xxxxxxxxxxx who told him that she heard gunshots. She also told them that there was a substitute teacher in the second classroom and that she was fumbling for a key in an emergency folder." (00098615)

"[Vest] did not believe that I was a law enforcement officer and was unwilling to share much information. [Vest] told me that he used to be a xxxxxxx at the Sandy Hook Elementary School....after speaking to [Vest] I confirmed that there was a teacher named xxxxxx at the Sandy Hook Elementary School...I also confirmed that xxxxxx was xxxxxxxxxxxxxx and that she was expecting a visit from him on xxxxxxxxxx." (00098624)

I was about to make joke about Roig & friends sharing a deep suspicion of law enforcement--until I realized that possibly there is an actual shared reason for that distrust. Roig yelled at cops that she didn't believe they were real; now a guy out of state presumes the guy calling him is a fake cop? Why would he presume that? Under what possible circumstances would this ex-employee of Sandy Hook School presume a fake cop would call him out of the blue? Under what possible circumstances, given the very heavy atmosphere in the days following Sandy Hook, would a citizen be instantly uncooperative and risk greatly offending a potentially powerful investigator in what was certainly the most serious criminal case in the nation at that time?

Aside from the fact that all other documents referring to first and second classrooms are talking about the front of the building, I don't see how Pisani's room would be called the second classroom:

[link to oi40.tinypic.com]

Even if they're talking about the exit near Pisani, which seems unlikely, Pisani's would be called the first, not the second (and even then it doesn't seem logical).

why not call him to ask him the blank part?

You first, mon ami, lol!

Maybe he'll be more cooperative with a Swiss caller ;)

"Miss Soto was found deceased in the room near the north wall
with a set of keys nearby."

[link to www.nytimes.com]

I still think Roig could have told Vest to call, on purpose, to spread the idea that Soto and/or Rousseau DID have access to keys. One of the first negative issues to hit the press was the concept that Rousseau "didn't have a key." However, if every room had an emergency folder, this becomes less scandalous.

I think there is still some question as to where the teachers in those first three classrooms were that day.

Aside from the fact that all other documents referring to first and second classrooms are talking about the front of the building, I don't see how Pisani's room would be called the second classroom:

[link to oi40.tinypic.com]

Even if they're talking about the exit near Pisani, which seems unlikely, Pisani's would be called the first, not the second (and even then it doesn't seem logical).


OK, I wasn't entirely sure if that map was accurate, since Pisani's name was written in. Plus the officer was reporting a telephone conversation he'd had with someone who'd talked to Vest who'd talked to the teacher, so this report is a 4th-hand account. It seems like mixing up classrooms 1 and 2 might be something that could happen fairly easily during the retelling of the story.

I just think it would be good to consider the possibility that Roig wasn't the teacher who called Vest.

On the other hand, Vest's deep suspicion of the cop does seem to line up with stories about Roig being terrified.

I've been thinking all day about the implications of a loose gunman still having Roig's phone in his possession and whether he might have threatened her friends and family.

Shoot, sorry, screwed up the quoting there.

you think you could find his number? i'm sure our canadian friend would like to do it ;)

I just don't get it...your fellow teachers and principal along with 20 kids in your school were killed and you don't stay to help comfort the traumatized kids; help parents reunite; find out if there or any injured or who died? As a witness, wouldn't she be kept around as well for questioning if there was a chance there were more shooters? This is a comment on a friend's page and there's a big, smiling picture of her on New Year's Eve out with her friends...a little over 2 weeks later--really traumatized! something is off! Wondering if she finished the school year with the kids "she protected" at Chalk Hill or quit right away to start her new org; anyone know?


We have been up to date via her fiancé and she is safely at her family's home thank God.... Beyond devastating.
December 14, 2012 at 2:49pm · 2

OK, I wasn't entirely sure if that map was accurate, since Pisani's name was written in. Plus the officer was reporting a telephone conversation he'd had with someone who'd talked to Vest who'd talked to the teacher, so this report is a 4th-hand account. It seems like mixing up classrooms 1 and 2 might be something that could happen fairly easily during the retelling of the story.

I just think it would be good to consider the possibility that Roig wasn't the teacher who called Vest.

On the other hand, Vest's deep suspicion of the cop does seem to line up with stories about Roig being terrified.

I've been thinking all day about the implications of a loose gunman still having Roig's phone in his possession and whether he might have threatened her friends and family.


I definitely agree with keeping options open. At some point, though, I have to choose which road to go down, and Roig (to my mind) just fits better here; she was also engaged, as one of the reports about this mentioned, adding another checked box on the "Roig" list.

In my mind, then, it seems Roig called Vest immediately after, or possibly even during the shooting. Why would she do this? Are they extremely close? They must be, if he's getting on a plane pronto. They mention in the report that Vest knows she's engaged and that she knows he's coming i.e. it's all copascetic--why wouldn't it be copascetic, unless he's an ex-boyfriend? My guess is that one of the redacted phrases mentions his status, and that's why cops keep confirming with him that Roig's engaged and that everyone's aware of this (not that it's any of their business).

So why, during or just after the event, are both Roig and this close friend--an ex employee of SHS--immediately getting together, and immediately suspicious that there might be "fake cops" after them?

It just occurred to me that if Roig told Vest about the gunshots, and about a teacher fumbling for keys, she could have also described a fake cop taking her phone.

Is this why Vest thinks the cop calling him might be fake? Has Roig described exactly that situation, and that's why he's on alert?

Yes, yes, this is what I've been thinking as well. Not sure if you saw what I posted yesterday....






I had been going to add to this idea that maybe Roig was actually on the phone with Vest when the fake cop took it from her, but then I started questioning whether Roig was the teacher who called Vest.

I think I read somewhere that Roig had left a voicemail with her fiance, so maybe she called Vest because she couldn't reach her fiance.

Thanks for re-quoting your post - I was holidayed from here yesterday and must have missed it during the banishment.

I can't think of anyone else in this story who has had her phone, and calls, described in such detail:

1. She takes picture of sunrise (ostensibly w/phone).
2. She and kids run into bathroom without her phone
3. She dashes for phone during lull and can't find it (a late-developing memory)
4. She leaves a message (with some phone) on her fiance's voicemail
5. She calls Vest--unknown if during or after event, but on 12/14 best we can tell
6. She borrows a phone at some point (anyone have this citation?)
7. She tells cops her phone was taken by a gunman
8. Her phone is pinged halfway to Rocky Glen
9. Her phone magically deactivates itself
10. Her sunrise picture is shown in the news (either that or a stock photo was posed as being hers)
11. There's no mention of her phone ever being found, so far
12. All the while, a perfectly good Blackberry was hanging out a few feet away

Forgot a few.

1. She takes picture of sunrise (ostensibly w/phone).
2. She and kids run into bathroom without her phone
3. She dashes for phone during lull and can't find it (a late-developing memory)
4. She leaves a message (with some phone) on her fiance's voicemail
5. She calls 911 somehow
6. She calls Vest--unknown if during or after event, but on 12/14 best we can tell
7. She borrows a phone at some point (anyone have this citation?)
8. She tells cops her phone was taken by a gunman
9. Her phone is pinged halfway to Rocky Glen
10. Her phone magically deactivates itself
11. Her sunrise picture is shown in the news (either that or a stock photo was posed as being hers)
12. There's no mention of her phone ever being found, so far
13. All the while, a perfectly good Blackberry was hanging out a few feet away
14. Courant runs story saying Roig called 911 from the Rm 12 landline
15. Courant retracts that point saying the call "did not come from Roig's room"
16. Report is released showing that the above call did indeed likely come from that room--but not from the landline, from...a cellphone.

Oy.

for point 8, i think there is misunderstanding.
maybe from the cop too.

a ping give a distance from a point = circle.
the phone could be anywhere on this circle.
( see red circle)

first ping
[link to i56.servimg.com]

second ping:
[link to i56.servimg.com]


if in the first ping the phone could be near Apex building... at the second ping it cant!