Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

@ Jesse [MM] and Marshwiggle


I'm catching up from page 175, my mind spinning again in excitement, so much still to read! Past 2 a.m. here, will try to meet all of you in the dreamworld, and hopefully be up to date by tomorrow evening.



Jesse, I don't know if this applies to your questions, Chaol will be of greater help, just quickly sharing my understanding. The Genius symbol acts as a placeholder, in other words it "is" your intended experience, under another form. You are already experiencing it "somewhere out there", but you want to make it relevant to your current perspective, where it appears that you are not [yet] experiencing it.

Once you have created the symbol with the attached value, and assigned a space so it can form relationships with your current values, and perform rules so it can have a logical expression, you now have the "condensed" version of your intended experience already existing in your current reality.

It is not a matter of wishing it into existence, or focusing on it (in order to not create resistance to it). It's simply a matter of bridging something that is already "overthere", into "here", until it becomes naturally relevant (the next logical step). Then, the placeholder is replaced by the "actual thing". Two faces of the same medal, they are the same thing in essence.

Rather than "bringing things into existance", or "creating" something, you are simply moving them from one world to the other (your current world/perspective).

I hope my late nite/sleepy brain reasoning will make sense...

Choal is a charlatan. You who follow him were heading in the right direction until you started to follow his lead.

I am still here to answer all of your questions. I am a recognized emissary from X.

If you are what you say you are, then you should be able to forsee the future.. My question is, on dec 21st, will the ascension occur or will some other worldy event occur? please tell me your insight Chaol as I am sure you know the answer already.

I have a question. Why does Chaol always show up around the 9th of September and then leave around mid-November? He has done this three years in a row. What is up with this?

University holidays

Are you sure?

I understand where you're coming from. What I am looking to grasp is how is it that I come to properly define my initial intent for the symbol. Most of the time, it seems what we want and what we intend are out of synch. It's been (for me) that when considering my symbol for a genius, I find myself not really being clearly aware of what I want. As I see it, what I intend on experiencing is so vague because I am not really provided a frame of reference for what I intend. I've come to the conclusion that representing what I'd imagined was a desired experience comes tainted by my lack of focus.

I suppose (you're right) it's the whole "what's next is what takes the least amount of energy to come next" thing. The symbol (and associated experience) would likely evolve further as my "true" intent becomes more logical.

Taken to the extreme it is impossible to define because it is impossible to (directly) perceive.

The secret is to be more clear about how it affects those things you have a relationship with.

Hope this helps.

@ Jesse [MM] and Marshwiggle


I'm catching up from page 175, my mind spinning again in excitement, so much still to read! Past 2 a.m. here, will try to meet all of you in the dreamworld, and hopefully be up to date by tomorrow evening.



Jesse, I don't know if this applies to your questions, Chaol will be of greater help, just quickly sharing my understanding. The Genius symbol acts as a placeholder, in other words it "is" your intended experience, under another form. You are already experiencing it "somewhere out there", but you want to make it relevant to your current perspective, where it appears that you are not [yet] experiencing it.

Once you have created the symbol with the attached value, and assigned a space so it can form relationships with your current values, and perform rules so it can have a logical expression, you now have the "condensed" version of your intended experience already existing in your current reality.

It is not a matter of wishing it into existence, or focusing on it (in order to not create resistance to it). It's simply a matter of bridging something that is already "overthere", into "here", until it becomes naturally relevant (the next logical step). Then, the placeholder is replaced by the "actual thing". Two faces of the same medal, they are the same thing in essence.

Rather than "bringing things into existance", or "creating" something, you are simply moving them from one world to the other (your current world/perspective).

I hope my late nite/sleepy brain reasoning will make sense...

you came from now.

I'd think so, if it is logical in a useful way.

Dear Choad,

You speak in vague generalizations, mixed with obscure statements that create the illusion of specifics. You have become very adept at being an excellent charlatan.

I am not a victim. Charlatans love victims because they are vulnerable. They have secrets, that you make them believe you already know about. It makes you seem meta-human in their eyes. My life has been rather pleasant and any perceived injustices have been made peace with.

Also, I actually have been ignoring this threads for months. I stop in and try to make the vulnerable think. You tell these people how to perceive their reality. That isn't salvation, that is entrapment into your cult.

People...listen to those who explore reality, but avoid those who tell the Tao of exploring it.

This guy is a Choad. He is a message board Charlie Manson before the killing spree.

Free your mind, don't let Choad boy program it.

Possibilities are inherent throughout a perspective. Indeed, every perspective is a possibility.

When I say that it 'split' the worlds I mean to say that it was a tremendous bifurcation of perspective, affecting all past/present/future.

My world is a large part of your world all ready. We are your dream world.

So you could say that the revelation created what we call the dream world. (Although, more accurately, it was a more physical expression of its creation. As it existed all ready.)

That seems to be quite difficult. I've never heard of such. But it would be much easier to create the library anew. This wouldn't be the same thing, of course.

Some of you may, in your dreams, experience reading (or writing) something that you have never read or wrote before.

"No perception" in the way none of this "really exists"? Or "no perception" as in there is something to be perceived yet remains outside of our capability to directly perceive it? Or no perception like we experience memory, generating experience through imagination but where nothing is technically being perceived except a projection? Or "no perception" as in we cannot form memories to carry over information from one frame to next (each frame no longer relevant to the next)?

I really liked the idea. It was fun. Then I began learning the fundamentals. As I began, the idea was exciting and I felt enlightenment.

However,

Reading the language of ecsys and neuronics, the constitution example doesn't fit the teachings. It goes on to explain what positive and negative symbols are, yet provides a correct how it's written example that is false. Showing flawed understanding by the supposed teacher.

I will further try and learn the mechanics and report my findings.

It's important I note the theory and basis of thinking in a quicker language is potentially ground breaking and what interests me.

As from as percept..ing different realities, literally, has yet to be proven. I think this is yet another gross exaggeration of the truth. If everything was how I perceived the relationship then I would have full control and be alone. However I am not alone. We are all here fixed on this perception which is perceived exactly how all of us on earth have effected it over its history.

If I kill your brother, you're relationship hasn't changed till you find out. In your reality your perception stays the same until you find out what I did. Thus your perception lagging behind this reality that I just took control of. Without your perception knowing.

So we aren't really untrained beings with control of our perception to relationships. We are a result of cause and effect making perceived choices that eventually manifest into our world because we percieved the physical steps needed to take, to produce a wanted physical product.

I guess I'll play the skeptic on this one.

Just a bit of mho. All love. I will post my thoughts as I go. Please inform me if I'm not grasping. Discussion welcome.

Hi. 1) it has all ready; 2) you are; 3) it does at every moment and at every angle. But sometimes those 'angles' align and you get a big 'split'

When one relates only with what one knows the value of the relationships diminish.

The more we learn to relate with what is not "us" the more valuable those relationships become.

When you introduce new perspectives into your experience you are able to see your experience more clearly than if you had not. (Although some of us may not accept the new perspective and conflicts arise.)

You'd be perceiving an inferential experience?

I think that that inference is made by our intent and is subject to the logic in the system by which we perceive. We are basically choosing what we experience at all times. It's just that on the most basic level we (as we currently can perceive our sense of self) do not exist. Am I off?

Many of us will interpret the new physicality as being alien in origin.

The possibility of "alien" life on Earth (visiting, living, etc.) is a logical narrative.

It's just a way for us to make sense of it.

Most of what we see "out there" is ourselves.

The rest is still ourselves but less relevant.

Flowing rivers on Triton, inhabitable Earths just a short distance away, expanded UFO sightings and experiences... all part of the narrative.

Isn't it fun to see it unfold before your eyes?

Perhaps. But there is no real or true perspective.

It is an illusion for which there is no observer.

Again, a discussion for an other time and when we're off of the basics.

Did you perceive yourself?

Yes and no.

Yes in that you perceive something (or at least it seems like it).

No in that you do not really.

We don't need to perceive of something directly to seem like we exist.

That is the beauty of it all.

"Nothing" has changed yet "nothing" remains the same.[/u]

@ Jesse [MM] and Marshwiggle


I understand where you're coming from. What I am looking to grasp is how is it that I come to properly define my initial intent for the symbol. Most of the time, it seems what we want and what we intend are out of synch. It's been (for me) that when considering my symbol for a genius, I find myself not really being clearly aware of what I want. As I see it, what I intend on experiencing is so vague because I am not really provided a frame of reference for what I intend. I've come to the conclusion that representing what I'd imagined was a desired experience comes tainted by my lack of focus.

I suppose (you're right) it's the whole "what's next is what takes the least amount of energy to come next" thing. The symbol (and associated experience) would likely evolve further as my "true" intent becomes more logical.

I LOVE this reply! I think I understand it.

Jesse, I don't know if this helps, but I notice you said the following:

"I am not really provided a frame of reference for what I intend."

You used the word provided. Are you expecting the frame of reference to come from somewhere besides yourself? I am having a hard time seeing how you don't feel you know your true intent. To me, I set my true intent. I am not having any trouble with that part. The only part I have trouble with is understanding how I already do this naturally.

It's a bit amusing to consider that I don't understand the own language I have illustrated.

Anyways, Ec is not meant to be used at this time.

As I mention in the post above (for something else) the basics are there and have been covered at length but the practical applications are not really discussed.

The enterprising mind will figure it out for one self.

If it makes you more comfortable to think it's just a random hoax that actually sits fine with me. It just means you weren't meant to discover it for your self.

I can point the way but you have to get there with your own two feet.

Some its all claims. My problem is this is an escape tactic.
Our perspective, this reality, isn't changing. And the longer you twits keep avoiding it. the worse it will get.

Trying to percieve a different environment, and using the law of attraction and manifestation is one thing. Inventing a new reality cause youre bored or want to escape..not part of this deal.

You are a talker ill give ya soon that

Ok I'm back with my kiddy gloves on to discuss Chaol's comings and goings. I think I assumed you were all paying more attention.

Chaol comes and goes on prominent Nexi. By now we all know that nexi represent spaces for possibility. What creates these spaces? Based on what we have learned so far, the relationship (geometry) between two or more representations creates the space for possibility, the same way binaural tones work. So what are the major representations that are always associated with Chaol's comings and goings? Seems they always sun-related, with expressions on planet earth, physically, socially, etc.

Feel free to add any other relationships (patterns) that you feel are pertinent.

Wow. Hadn't seen that or maybe don't remember it. Anyway, thanks again.

I'm still thinking about the first one you posted where he says truth is beyond perception. Why do I accept that statement? Yet, I know the mind fills in the blanks.

But then somewhere, Chaol says the only way to expand your perspective is to see something you've never seen before. I just don't know how that is possible. The mind will always come up with an answer.

There are studies of anthropologists who report on tribes who can't see things like a ship (because it isn't in their framework) or a lady who left the Amazon jungle for the first time. She saw a man riding a donkey and it scared her because she had never seen a half human and half animal before.

For myself, I have found "spaces" I call voids. There are no symbols, nothing, but there is some texture or some awareness of a sort. It might be a feeling of deep peace or awareness of presence. What is Chaol's definition of Truth? Anybody know?