Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul

Going to bump this again there is so much more on these pages besides lawful money it is important to read it all!!

When is this thread going to go away?

Never because it is awesome!

You all are a bunch slaves.

this thread is now years old. is there anyone here, perhaps a member, that has tried this? I work for one of the alphabet agencies and would love to know if this is legit.

thanks

U are welcome to read the thread, yes demand lawful money per 12 USC 411.

PIN THIS

OR:

You could totally rethink the functions of a money system; split the functions and provide them by a plethora of means:

Link heavy thread with much philosophy about how to accomplish the above:

Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments

This entire thread is about seeing through the smoke and outright deception of how the politicians get "consent".

The demand for lawful money is a big step for most people and after they do it, they will hopefully take further steps like the thread liked above is about.

I personally have gotten rid of government, no IDs, no legal person, and through trial and education learned about trusts and other means to conduct lawful commerce and business free of the entanglements of federal reserve fiat currency.

This government is OUT OF ORDER and each one of us must do something to help correct that.

The force is strong with this one:
[link to reason.com]

To clarify and focus in a little more to the article above, another states this:

"Levenstam is a little bit off here. It's true that the 16th Amendment "granted Congress no new power to tax." Rather, it's main purpose was to disambiguate the two income tax ruled upon in the 1880 Springer case (which were rolled up into one income tax), and to cause a subtle, but extremely important distinction between taxes on income derived from property vs. taxes on income derived from the legal tender privilege Congress conferred on unredeemable U.S. Notes and privately-issued national bank notes during and after the Civil War.

Also, we should clarify where Levenstam states that "the 16th Amendment reclassified an income tax on tangible property as an indirect tax." It's true that 16th Amendment assured that both forms of income taxes are indirect taxes not subject to the Direct Tax Clauses, but the tax is not "on tangible property," but on the *INCOME* DERIVED *FROM* tangible property (where "tangible property" means land, labor and capital)."

Excellent thank your for the addition to the thread.

The civil war was a most significant event, reading supreme case rulings from before and after is like a reading the diary of a multiple personality disorder mental patient.

The warnings of early paper money, legal tender and lawful money cases are also very relevant.

The bankers have always been the real danger to the Republic and the people. That is why the word "redeemed" is used in 12 USC 411, there are very few concepts of law more powerful than redemption.

SO IF THIS IS THE CASE WHY IS WESLEY SNIPES IN JAIL??

Because he endorsed and used FRNs then refused to pay the owners of the FED bank their use fee, that's why. And he is out now.

CHECK THIS OUT!

"As persons, slaves were proper subjects of a capitation tax, which is described in the Constitution as a direct tax; as property they were, by the laws of some, if not most of the States, classed as real property, descendible to heirs."
From 75 U.S. 533
19 L.Ed. 482
8 Wall. 533
VEAZIE BANK
v.
FENNO.
December Term, 1869

"As PERSONS, slaves..."
Now read state and federal statues, nearly all are written to apply to a "person".

Are you a person?? Better read this thread again if you do not know how exactly you became one.

Why didn't Rn Paul ever talk about this? He wanted the Fed gone and this would have been a simple message for him to relay to the people.

Why did he says this?

[link to www.youtube.com]

Yet notice this chart and specifically down near the bottom of it. Codes XAU, XAG, XPD, and XPT

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

WTF??

Last Edited by Deplorable Jknoph on 07/29/2013 08:42 AM

I have only finished 10 pages of this thread so far so I'm not up to date on everything. Does this work for state income tax and the SS tax? Also, can the county charge me a property tax if I pay for my house in Lawful Money?

One more question to go along with my post above this one. This thread has been going on for 2 1/2 years, so how many of the posters on this board are currently doing this and not paying the income tax?

I have read all 94 pages now and could we not just redeem our checks for US coinage, such as nickels, quarters etc.? They are not FRN's after all...

Yes, you could. You could also demand redemption on all deposits and write personal checks for everything. You could also get Postal money orders for bills and such.

If you missed it, there is a US treasury note on ever currently issued FRN above the 2 "dollar" denomination. The demand is what matters, your record (copies of all checks/deposits) and then just go about your affairs.

EXACTLY! Make sure you keep proof of that/those transaction(s)!

Last Edited by Deplorable Jknoph on 08/03/2013 01:47 AM

Thanks for the responses!! Does anyone know when the bank is doing their accounting for the amount of actual money that they can lend out for loans and for their fractional reserve lending, do they not include the coins they have in their possession? For example, they have a million dollars in deposits and cash on hand, they also have a million dollars in quarters, nickels and dimes. Which makes a total of 2 million dollars. Do they know and record the fact they can only lend against the 1 million in FRN's and not the coins?

Look up "fractional reserve lending" and fractional reserve banking. With 1 million (in actual notes or just deposits) they can loan 9 million out in "new currency). All debt, of course.

I know all about fractional reserve lending, but what I'm wanting to know is if they actually purposely leave out their coinage on hand because THEY understand the fact that coins cannot be added to the portion of the books that can be loaned out. I have a good friend that is the bank manager at Chase and he knows nothing of fractional reserve lending. I wonder if the accountant at his bank does to?

There must be some sort of book keeping that separates coin from all other forms of debt (paper or electronic).

Current code for Federal reserve agents have special rules for the handling and accounting for "lawful money" so at some level the difference is known.

I know for a fact that banks will switch an interest bearing checking or savings account to non-interest bearing account status after lawful money demand is made.

When setting up new accounts, I have my trustee request the accounts be for deposits and withdrawals of lawful money and tell the bank employee the accounts not be interest bearing, to date, there has been no issues with opening new accounts this way, nor demanding lawful money on the signature card.

I know all about fractional reserve lending, but what I'm wanting to know is if they actually purposely leave out their coinage on hand because THEY understand the fact that coins cannot be added to the portion of the books that can be loaned out. I have a good friend that is the bank manager at Chase and he knows nothing of fractional reserve lending. I wonder if the accountant at his bank does to?

There must be some sort of book keeping that separates coin from all other forms of debt (paper or electronic).

Current code for Federal reserve agents have special rules for the handling and accounting for "lawful money" so at some level the difference is known.

I know for a fact that banks will switch an interest bearing checking or savings account to non-interest bearing account status after lawful money demand is made.

When setting up new accounts, I have my trustee request the accounts be for deposits and withdrawals of lawful money and tell the bank employee the accounts not be interest bearing, to date, there has been no issues with opening new accounts this way, nor demanding lawful money on the signature card.


Thanks... that was the answer I was looking for. I will ask my friend at Chase if he can verify your info. I hope he can. I spoke to a trader friend of mine just today about this topic and I am sending him all the DD I have done on lawful money. He has had IRS issues in the past and he is looking forward to the info.