HOW CAN A PERSON KNOW IF THEY WERE EVER A VICTIM OF MKULTRA OR MONARCH PROGRAMMING?

If you have PTSD with no reason.

If you have lapses of memory.

Frequent mental fog.

Obsession with certain phrases people say.

Strangers say odd phrases to you for no reason.

Feeling drugged for no reason.

Being followed.

Seeing the same stranger at differnt places several times.

Phone messages with no caller ID.

Phone messages that are gargled and unintelligable.

Knowing some knowledge you were never taught in school and unsure how you know it.

Feeling an instant knowing re other people for no reason.

Waking up feeling drugged rather than rested.

Strangers recommending conferences, books, etc out of the blue for no reason.

Want more?

I would like more info please.

Using a butterfly symbol for yourself.

Yes, if you have more. Please and thank you so much.

We are all meat.

+1. Haha.

Your advatar says it all, OP.

anyone born in the USA, Canada, or UK

Have you ever woken up, surrounded by police and holding a severed panda bear head in one hand and a bloody Rolodex in the other?

Have you ever had the urge to wear your underwear on the outside while voting Republican on American Idol?

Have you ever urinated on someone who you could have sworn just a moment ago was actually a fish?

Have you ever drank so much that you purple?

Do you have strange lapses of memory where you remember going to summer camp but your friends remember you committing a major crime and being taken away by the FBI?

Can you immediately answer the question, "What is my mission?" but you've never heard of Clifford T Underberger and you certainly don't know why you're going to staple a rabbit to his left leg?

If you can answer yes to any of these questions, you might be the subject of a mind control experiment.

Yea, go ahead and make jokes about it. You are not the one with so many unanswered questions.

The butter fly thing is a common mind control image. The victims tend to identify with them. The hard part is finding the other abuse members. For what ever reason most recall little to nothing. The memories are hidden in open view along side normal memories. Keep in mind that many MKULTRA victims got good grades in school WHILE they were being programed. They programed me when I was younger but all I remember is being shown lots of slides and asked questions about what fruit when where. The program I am in is run by people from another reality so they leave little to no paper work. Finding other members of the team is next to impossible. What where we programmed for? I have no idea... but it seemed harmless enough at the time. It felt a lot like Fallout 3, where a person lives and dies inside a vault.

Yep, I chuckled too. That was my first thought.

OP, You're not alone. I ask myself this often.

I'm pretty sure I know I was at the very least recruited. When I get close to finding some real answers, I emotionally start to wind up, pulse up, adrenaline up. I literally picture a circular (cinder block like) wall in my mind. I always stop, and have not gone inside it. I remember going to a certain place thats name is banned on here.

Me too. I don't think I was a victim of MK. Maybe you are not either. BUT I find it interesting that you are posing this question about MK and using the butterfly as your advatar.

Sometimes, a butterfly is just a butterfly but in the case of MK Ultra victims, it is something else. They used the butterfly to signify the "new birth" of your "new self" or alter. Read up on it. Maybe in your instance, this may be a clue.

Dude, you're scaring me.
Yeah, give out some more.

WHEN U WERE ASKED TO TRY...FLOURIDE in 5th grade..then taken for a hearing test...the van seemed old and grey....and had a single loop antenna.

this was only the begining...

You better Stop trying to question these things. You have been warned. Keep it up and it will be back to the cage for more training.

<iframe width="425" height="349" src=" [link to www.youtube.com] frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

School is practically a blur for me, but I do remember having many hearing tests done in elementary school. But was always told that my hearing was fine. But hearing test continued anyway.

GO. FUCK. YOURSELF.

OP,
Focus on the NOW.

Although my paranoia makes me think you are a psyop, I wish you the best of luck.

I have to question these things because I need answers! I'm sick of not knowing what's real. And I'm sure there are others on here who feel the same way, so please stop being a smartass.

I would love to focus on the NOW, but I feel trapped!

For more info

He may be a smartass (hell, i'm a smart ass too) but he has a point. If this DID happen to you, be careful how deep you delve. Even if it didn't happen to you, still be careful. You gotta follow your heart and all that shit but keep in mind that there ARE people out there that just love to fuck with people like you. Fair warning hon. This coming from the fucked with, not the fuckees :)

BTW, anyone know offhand if a spiral/vortex is related?

What about your first memories being in a body cast hanging out with a clown with beartraps for feet.

It's the comunication that hurts the most.

They dance at the Jefferson Memorial saying "this is what democracy looks like."