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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1010412 United States 11/07/2012 03:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's funny how short sighted people are. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503 Companies aren't going to pay this bill. They will just lower the hours of employees under the limit so they are exempt from Obama's slacker tax. We will become a part time nation which will probably be the death blow to our economy. 30 hours a week max as an employee. If you want 40 hours a week you'll have to juggle two jobs. It's gonna be hilarious. As a business owner I am definitely going underground. All my employees are going to 30 hours. Screw it. I'll dissolve my company before I pay that commie shit. And most business owners I know feel the same. But I thought Obama would lose your wrong again biyatchs. Uh Oh! Look like moveon.org has brought out the "big guns" in the intelligence sector.... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1439059 United States 11/07/2012 03:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Go for it. I want to blame Obama for this mess. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24425839 I am so upset that he won. DRATS!!!!!!! Blame the cheap employers. Why blame the guy who is trying to provide affordable healthcare for you and your family. Get a clue. Actually, I think YOU need to get a clue. You are clearly a sheep and uninformed. It was NEVER Obama's intent to provide affordable healthcare to anyone! That is evident by the law itself and the regulations that are being implemented to carry out the law. Did you read the bill? If you had you would never have made this statement. It will take this country from its knees and put it face down in the mud. We are likely over. This healthcare bill is all about the gov't taking over that huge chunk of the economy and controlling the populace all in one piece of crap legislation. It is all about HUGE government and new taxes, one of which will destroy our struggling real estate market. That said, the healthcare issue is only one of many. What about the NDAA? What about Solyndra and others like it? What about Benghazi? What about his failure to even attempt a solution at job creation? What about his failure to cut spending? What about his refusal to offer a reasonable budget that even ONE legilator could accept? What about a deficit of $ 1million back to back to back? What about.....and the list goes on. Sorry, as much as I wanted to, this is not a President I can get behind. "Forward" he says----but to where? I, too, am a business owner. I am a female. I come from abject poverty and I got my education the old fashioned way, I WORKED AND PAID FOR IT--it took me 25 years to pay for it because I got and PAID for a student loan. I invested in and started my own business over 20 years ago. As a small business owner, I am facing a HUGE increase in taxes and the cost of my overhead is increasing, however my income has changed very little. There may come a time when I just move Forward, close my doors and go for whatever the govt will give me--food stamps, welfare, phone, section 8 housing, etc. But, alas, my mother (yes, I was raised in a single parent household) raised me to be self-sufficient, to pick myself up, stop the whining and do what it takes to take care of myself. We need more mothers like her instead of this Nanny state. Sorry, didn't mean to get carried away...... Give it up sister. You are casting pearls before illiterate swine. Whenever anyone says something like "Blame the cheap employers", you should immediately realize you'd have more luck trying to teach a rose to play chess than you would informing the wretch about the nature of statism. NO NO NO!!! Here's the problem....."As a small business owner, I am facing a HUGE increase in taxes and the cost of my overhead is increasing, however my income has changed very little".......Your income has changed very little????? LMFAO Its a 2 way street!! Tired of you selfish people thinking you deserve everything. Times are changing, get on board or GTF. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25664589 United States 11/07/2012 03:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its mandatory here for a employee to work min 48 hours/week (IT sector)... 30 hrs a week is unimaginable ... good luck Quoting: GMarq Ok, then employers will fire workers. It's funny how short sighted people are. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503 Companies aren't going to pay this bill. They will just lower the hours of employees under the limit so they are exempt from Obama's slacker tax. We will become a part time nation which will probably be the death blow to our economy. 30 hours a week max as an employee. If you want 40 hours a week you'll have to juggle two jobs. It's gonna be hilarious. As a business owner I am definitely going underground. All my employees are going to 30 hours. Screw it. I'll dissolve my company before I pay that commie shit. And most business owners I know feel the same. lots of companies have already started making the move to all part time employees Obama will just pass laws to make it nearly impossible to do that. He will pass stiff penalties if that is the game they want to play. No, I think the people will get pissed off. People want healthcare, and they will resent their employers being cheap. A lot of people have pre-existing conditions. If they start passing laws penalizing business owners for cutting hours or letting people go, the businesses will close. WHo will be hurt most? The lower and middle classes- hope and change, baby. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24231956 United States 11/07/2012 03:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503 Not mandatory here. I can have all part time employees if I choose. If they try to change that I will just fire everyone and close shop. Or move my business to the Bahamas. I am not alone in this thinking. Talk to someone like a tax person and they will tell you that part time people will be counted as well. The hours will be added together and so many will equal a full time person. Just finished talking to my guy about this. If you have less than 50 peeps, u don't have to provide healthcare. So tiny business is exempt. With the exception of construction companies. I have a family owned construction company with less than 10 employees. We are not exempt and will be closing soon. It is a shame as we were finally starting to get some traction in this economy. I hope we can make it work but it doesn't look good. Any one have any idea on the reasoning of not allowing construction companies to be exempt? I find it irritating that I have different rules and am already struggling with the way construction is going in this country. Why is my company looked at differently than yours? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 813750 Puerto Rico 11/07/2012 03:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022 Blame the cheap employers. Why blame the guy who is trying to provide affordable healthcare for you and your family. Get a clue. Actually, I think YOU need to get a clue. You are clearly a sheep and uninformed. It was NEVER Obama's intent to provide affordable healthcare to anyone! That is evident by the law itself and the regulations that are being implemented to carry out the law. Did you read the bill? If you had you would never have made this statement. It will take this country from its knees and put it face down in the mud. We are likely over. This healthcare bill is all about the gov't taking over that huge chunk of the economy and controlling the populace all in one piece of crap legislation. It is all about HUGE government and new taxes, one of which will destroy our struggling real estate market. That said, the healthcare issue is only one of many. What about the NDAA? What about Solyndra and others like it? What about Benghazi? What about his failure to even attempt a solution at job creation? What about his failure to cut spending? What about his refusal to offer a reasonable budget that even ONE legilator could accept? What about a deficit of $ 1million back to back to back? What about.....and the list goes on. Sorry, as much as I wanted to, this is not a President I can get behind. "Forward" he says----but to where? I, too, am a business owner. I am a female. I come from abject poverty and I got my education the old fashioned way, I WORKED AND PAID FOR IT--it took me 25 years to pay for it because I got and PAID for a student loan. I invested in and started my own business over 20 years ago. As a small business owner, I am facing a HUGE increase in taxes and the cost of my overhead is increasing, however my income has changed very little. There may come a time when I just move Forward, close my doors and go for whatever the govt will give me--food stamps, welfare, phone, section 8 housing, etc. But, alas, my mother (yes, I was raised in a single parent household) raised me to be self-sufficient, to pick myself up, stop the whining and do what it takes to take care of myself. We need more mothers like her instead of this Nanny state. Sorry, didn't mean to get carried away...... Give it up sister. You are casting pearls before illiterate swine. Whenever anyone says something like "Blame the cheap employers", you should immediately realize you'd have more luck trying to teach a rose to play chess than you would informing the wretch about the nature of statism. NO NO NO!!! Here's the problem....."As a small business owner, I am facing a HUGE increase in taxes and the cost of my overhead is increasing, however my income has changed very little".......Your income has changed very little????? LMFAO Its a 2 way street!! Tired of you selfish people thinking you deserve everything. Times are changing, get on board or GTF. Taxes are going up and overhead is increasing. Revenues are unchanged. All translates into lower profit for the business. It's called being squeezed. Businesses don't operate to not be profitable. The owners wouldn't be able to feed their family... And yes, business owners deserve everything they've built. What about pointing this out is selfish? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4613981 United States 11/07/2012 03:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4613981 NO , These are not scare tactics. This is reality of the future. We can and will run our employees on 30 hours max. I will hire three extra part-timers to pick up the slack. Problem solved. i seriously doubt you're doing any hiring Lol , You bet your ass I will once obamacare kicks in. As I said, employee's will be working a max. 25-30 week. Pssst.... Einstein , Once I cut everyone's hours I sure will. No raises, No bonus, No benifits. Welcome to obamanation then buh bye. you're an asshole boss Wrong again my lil friend. Im in business to MAKE my money not pass it out to every |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27212869 United States 11/07/2012 03:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503 In the last few years I had just grown to the point where it was feasible to start offering different benefits. It is a natural evolution that attracts better quality employees. It used to be something growing businesses sought to do. Now it will be mandatory and we won't get the quality employees. ... I believe this is a main point, maybe the main one, of Obama's agenda. You are not able to discriminate in any way shape or form. Did you hear O's victory speech? It was all about how all us Americans are in this together, and he mentioned all the usual special interest groups. He doesn't like people selecting whom they will live with or work with. You WILL pay and you WILL hire badly educated people from his vulnerable populations. That's what he wants. Hope you can find a way around it. |
CurbSide User ID: 27070163 United States 11/07/2012 03:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Employers are too cheap. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022 Papa Johns don't want to charge 15 cents a pizza in order to provide healthcare for their employees. This is during a time of records corporate profits and huge cash reserves. They have already been doing this because corporation HATE paying benefits and have always tried to avoid this expense. Go open your own pizza shop and do it the way YOU THINK it should be done! You are ignorant... and feel entitled for what reason? Those of us that own businesses are the ones that put it all at risk and employees like yourself get upset because we don't give you everything. They're called BENEFITS not ENTITLEMENTS! If I don't aim... no one can say I missed. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25648538 United States 11/07/2012 03:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I recently got a job at a steel casting foundry in Wa state and they made all the new hires sign a paper that they agreed that they were 30 hour a week employees. You would get 40+ hours a week if you signed the paper and only 30 if you refused. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3643010 work 40 hours, get taxed for 30 hours. Where do i sign up? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25058761 United States 11/07/2012 03:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's funny how short sighted people are. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503 Companies aren't going to pay this bill. They will just lower the hours of employees under the limit so they are exempt from Obama's slacker tax. We will become a part time nation which will probably be the death blow to our economy. 30 hours a week max as an employee. If you want 40 hours a week you'll have to juggle two jobs. It's gonna be hilarious. As a business owner I am definitely going underground. All my employees are going to 30 hours. Screw it. I'll dissolve my company before I pay that commie shit. And most business owners I know feel the same. lots of companies have already started making the move to all part time employees Sorry, calling BS, list 10 national corps going to "All part time employees" go ahead. [link to mobile.lehighvalleylive.com] red lobster, olive garden |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25648538 United States 11/07/2012 03:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Employers are too cheap. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022 Papa Johns don't want to charge 15 cents a pizza in order to provide healthcare for their employees. This is during a time of records corporate profits and huge cash reserves. They have already been doing this because corporation HATE paying benefits and have always tried to avoid this expense. Go open your own pizza shop and do it the way YOU THINK it should be done! You are ignorant... and feel entitled for what reason? Those of us that own businesses are the ones that put it all at risk and employees like yourself get upset because we don't give you everything. They're called BENEFITS not ENTITLEMENTS! Greedy fucks like this make my blood boil. Are we supposed to slave away working 40-50 hours a week and never get a holiday or a vacation? Are you that fucking greedy? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 664728 New Zealand 11/07/2012 03:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I used to pay about $500/mo to cover myself and 2 children on my state provided health insurance (I was a teacher). (state paid half of mine so total cost was $750/mo) My husband wasn't covered by my insurance at work but would have added $400/mo. we moved to NZ with socialized medicine. if you need stitches or have an infected finger, this system rocks! I pay $20 co pay (higher other places) for a doctor's visit and $3 for prescriptions. But god forbid something happens to you!! have a heart attack? go to hospital, stay about 5 ho v urs until stable and then SENT HOME. (it was free but you get what you pay for) and wait for the referral to the cardiologist. That took 7 weeks to arrive. the appointment for the heart monitor (not even to see the cardiologist yet) was over a month after the referral letter arrived. it takes another month to actually see the cardiologist. hope the heart condition is not serious. We pay well over 50% of our income in taxes (we have a progressive flat tax here of about 20 up to 70,000 and then 35% over that) and the goods and service tax (on every penny you spend) is 15% (on land, on food, on EVERYTHING) and yet, to have any kind of healthcare, we need to spend over $200 per month on insurance here |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 20078428 United States 11/07/2012 03:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Employers are too cheap. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022 Papa Johns don't want to charge 15 cents a pizza in order to provide healthcare for their employees. This is during a time of records corporate profits and huge cash reserves. They have already been doing this because corporation HATE paying benefits and have always tried to avoid this expense. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 813750 Puerto Rico 11/07/2012 03:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Employers are too cheap. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022 Papa Johns don't want to charge 15 cents a pizza in order to provide healthcare for their employees. This is during a time of records corporate profits and huge cash reserves. They have already been doing this because corporation HATE paying benefits and have always tried to avoid this expense. Go open your own pizza shop and do it the way YOU THINK it should be done! You are ignorant... and feel entitled for what reason? Those of us that own businesses are the ones that put it all at risk and employees like yourself get upset because we don't give you everything. They're called BENEFITS not ENTITLEMENTS! Greedy fucks like this make my blood boil. Are we supposed to slave away working 40-50 hours a week and never get a holiday or a vacation? Are you that fucking greedy? Surely, you don't expect to be a pizza boy as your lifelong career, do you? These are called minimum wage starter jobs. You work your way up or get an education or a trade. That's how you provide for yourself in this country. You can't live/work like you're 16 forever... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24637305 United States 11/07/2012 03:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its mandatory here for a employee to work min 48 hours/week (IT sector)... 30 hrs a week is unimaginable ... good luck Quoting: GMarq Not mandatory here. I can have all part time employees if I choose. If they try to change that I will just fire everyone and close shop. Or move my business to the Bahamas. I am not alone in this thinking. .......and most of the clowns that you're gonna fire are Obamatards. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8668963 United States 11/07/2012 03:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Employers are too cheap. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022 Papa Johns don't want to charge 15 cents a pizza in order to provide healthcare for their employees. This is during a time of records corporate profits and huge cash reserves. They have already been doing this because corporation HATE paying benefits and have always tried to avoid this expense. Gooburment should just take them over so they can be run more efficiently. They are already saving taxpayers $100's of billions from reduced Medicare fraud. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27212869 United States 11/07/2012 03:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Employers are too cheap. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022 Papa Johns don't want to charge 15 cents a pizza in order to provide healthcare for their employees. This is during a time of records corporate profits and huge cash reserves. They have already been doing this because corporation HATE paying benefits and have always tried to avoid this expense. Go open your own pizza shop and do it the way YOU THINK it should be done! You are ignorant... and feel entitled for what reason? Those of us that own businesses are the ones that put it all at risk and employees like yourself get upset because we don't give you everything. They're called BENEFITS not ENTITLEMENTS! Greedy fucks like this make my blood boil. Are we supposed to slave away working 40-50 hours a week and never get a holiday or a vacation? Are you that fucking greedy? You call a 40-50 hour week slaving away? And by the way it's not slaving if you can quit and walk away, which you always can. You take the job voluntarily, you keep it voluntarily, if the employer is lucky he/she only has to keep you voluntarily too. |
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Instant Karma User ID: 25981580 United States 11/07/2012 03:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's funny how short sighted people are. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503 Companies aren't going to pay this bill. They will just lower the hours of employees under the limit so they are exempt from Obama's slacker tax. We will become a part time nation which will probably be the death blow to our economy. 30 hours a week max as an employee. If you want 40 hours a week you'll have to juggle two jobs. It's gonna be hilarious. As a business owner I am definitely going underground. All my employees are going to 30 hours. Screw it. I'll dissolve my company before I pay that commie shit. And most business owners I know feel the same. So you don't currently offer a health care plan for your full time employees? If not, why not? Dollar Deception: How Banks Secretly Create Money: [link to www.webofdebt.com] ALTERED GENES, TWISTED TRUTH: How the Venture to Genetically Engineer Our Food Has Subverted Science, Corrupted Government, and Systematically Deceived the Public: [link to www.amazon.com] 2028 End? [link to 2028end.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4613981 United States 11/07/2012 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As someone who doesn't live in the U.S, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26842264 can you please explain why you don't want free healthcare? here in N.Z anything goes wrong, accident or disease, and you are treated, easy, free, no problems. We don't have to pay ridiculous taxes to make it work either. If it works for us surely the great country of Merica can pull it off? and we also don't bitch about the 'freeloaders' that make use of this basic human right. I really get confused at the lack of compassion and empathy from people that like to think of themselves as 'Christian' First off , Its NOT free. Obamacare is directly punishing the job creators. It wasnt enough that they drove out big business. BIG business got smart and left to avoid a 30% Corporate Tax (highest in the world) I might add. So now they are left with no option but to attack us small business in this country. Tell me then who exactly is going to pay the bills once 80% of small business close shop?? If your seriously trying to restore the middle class , why the hell sink so many of us that are trying to keep this country afloat? Its like cutting your feet off before you begin the marathon. Is 47% of your country "free loaders" like it is over here? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27212869 United States 11/07/2012 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've been working 30 hours a week for the last 5 years, and have salary and full medical / dental / vision. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1357054 3 day weekends. I have a good, relaxed life. OK I'll bite. What job is that? Since years ago, all the professional jobs I've had are basically 50 hours/week, sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18814915 Puerto Rico 11/07/2012 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's funny how short sighted people are. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503 Companies aren't going to pay this bill. They will just lower the hours of employees under the limit so they are exempt from Obama's slacker tax. We will become a part time nation which will probably be the death blow to our economy. 30 hours a week max as an employee. If you want 40 hours a week you'll have to juggle two jobs. It's gonna be hilarious. As a business owner I am definitely going underground. All my employees are going to 30 hours. Screw it. I'll dissolve my company before I pay that commie shit. And most business owners I know feel the same. Well just make sure you increase the wage per hour and everything will be OK. You could pay exactly the same amount of weekly salary by doing this conversion. Now 30 hours is not a good number, you must decrease the hours to 24 hours a week. Foe example: 40 hours at $10 per hour = $400 a week 24 hours at $16.67 per hour = $400 a week 24 hours a week is mentally and physically healthy for the people, specially if they have children. But to be fair if you cut hours you have to increase the wage. Otherwise the government will crush your company. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26870433 United States 11/07/2012 03:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Employers are too cheap. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022 Papa Johns don't want to charge 15 cents a pizza in order to provide healthcare for their employees. This is during a time of records corporate profits and huge cash reserves. They have already been doing this because corporation HATE paying benefits and have always tried to avoid this expense. This is where you people are wrong. It is NOT the employer's responsibility to provide people 'benefits' or healthcare. THAT is the entire crux of the problem. You slackers want to the government to tax business to pay for your hypochondriac tendencies. If I have to pay that then I reserve the right to dictate what you eat, how much alcohol you drink, and if you are allowed to smoke. The entire health benefit enigma is a fraudulent scam. The government can not force this. We will revolt and punish the employees. That's just the way it is. You think you are entitled but you are not. You slackers are dillusional. You think that businesses are an inexhaustible pool of money when in truth most barely get by. Just because the company owner makes a couple dollars does not mean the company is raking in money. And even if the owner reduced his own salary to minimum wage it can never amount to paying healthcare for all the employees. It quite simply will not work. Even if it could work, the healthcare you would receive would be a nightmare like military style healthcare with death panels and mandatory vaccinations. You people fucked up. Get ready to pay for being greedy. This is EXACTLY what I have been trying to tell people ever since this nonsense was conceived. FINALLY someone that gets it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27212869 United States 11/07/2012 03:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As someone who doesn't live in the U.S, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26842264 can you please explain why you don't want free healthcare? here in N.Z anything goes wrong, accident or disease, and you are treated, easy, free, no problems. We don't have to pay ridiculous taxes to make it work either. If it works for us surely the great country of Merica can pull it off? and we also don't bitch about the 'freeloaders' that make use of this basic human right. I really get confused at the lack of compassion and empathy from people that like to think of themselves as 'Christian' First off , Its NOT free. Obamacare is directly punishing the job creators. It wasnt enough that they drove out big business. BIG business got smart and left to avoid a 30% Corporate Tax (highest in the world) I might add. So now they are left with no option but to attack us small business in this country. Tell me then who exactly is going to pay the bills once 80% of small business close shop?? If your seriously trying to restore the middle class , why the hell sink so many of us that are trying to keep this country afloat? Its like cutting your feet off before you begin the marathon. Is 47% of your country "free loaders" like it is over here? When Obama says "middle class" he means at best what I would call "working class". And he considers everyone "talented" no matter how, um, stupid they are. |